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"Kenneth Lantrip" |
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21 Jul 2005 09:53:12 PM |
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If you're looking for purpose in your life, read this. |
I was once as you, seeking purpose in my life. I write this to tell you
that you *DO* have a purpose. A purpose so grand as to make you say
things like "Oh yea! That's a worthy purpose for all the toil in my
life. I'm glad it was done."
The grand purpose in which you seek requires God in your life though.
For without God, there would be *NO* purpose for you or anyone or anything.
God created Heaven and Earth to bring your soul to salvation (safety).
The universes are dangerous places to be. You will need to obtain
safety (salvation) for you soul if you with to be without torment for
ever and ever. So, God who loves us very much crated that safe place to
be (Heaven).
God being perfect and creating a perfect place to spend enternity,
created a testing ground for the souls to be tested. Tested of faith.
God can create all he wants. Do all he wants. Be all he wants. God
created heaven and earth for you and me.
Therefore, your primary purpose in life is to secure a place in paradise
with God. You do that through his son Jesus Christ. God knew that we
couldn't obtain salvation though works alone. So he sent his son to
wash us of our sins. To make us worthy to God. You must accept Jesus
as your Lord, accept his give of salvation, and repent of your sins.
This is only a small price to pay for salvation.
I pray that you will accept Jesus this very day. For tommorrow it may
be too late.
Do you really love these puny things in life so much that you would risk
losing your soul to ever lasting damnation? A paradise awaits you, that
has the finest things that could be had. Toil not over these things you
have aquired in this Earthly life, for they are but dirty rags compared
to that which is in heaven.
An atheists thinks that he is created of mere atoms arranging themselves
in a complex pattern that would create their soul. Or perhaps a process
of pushing electrons around in complex patterns to do the same. Yet
these things can be copied to exact perfection. Will then, they
themselves or their soul be also copied? If it were to happen, would
they be in both minds at once? If not, then who is in the other? Then
how could another be? If the pattern was exactly copied.
You have not the smallest knowledge of how you are created. Yet still
doubt that a higher intellegence could have done it.
If the world were not be destroyed shorly, how far do you think your
civilized knowledge would have attained in say 1000 more years? How
about one million years? Do you think you would have made simulators so
complex that you could have put people inside at birth for teaching the
basics of your civilization? Perhaps those people would even think that
their simulated environment is the only real world, for it is all that
they can sense. Perhaps it could also be a test of worthyness for
joining your civilization. How can you be so sure, it isn't happening now?
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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23 Jul 2005 01:54:25 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1699d$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:42 -0400, Kenneth Lantrip
<bothersome@cmaaccess.com> let us all know that:
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must.
No, it is an impossibility for humans.
You're just terrified of death, and are denying that death
happens.
Don
To die and never exist again would put us into a position that would
not need salvation. That is the reason you are atheist. You believe
you are nothing more than neural processes. More particularly,
*those* neural processes.
My belief says that I am more than neural processes. That I will find
myself in existance again. Therefore I need a safe place to spend
eternity.
Why? Your soul is supposedly indestructible, isn't it?
I think Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens) said it best:
"I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never
inconvenienced me a bit."
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Kenneth Lantrip" |
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23 Jul 2005 05:35:06 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1699d$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:42 -0400, Kenneth Lantrip
<bothersome@cmaaccess.com> let us all know that:
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must.
No, it is an impossibility for humans.
You're just terrified of death, and are denying that death
happens.
Don
To die and never exist again would put us into a position that would
not need salvation. That is the reason you are atheist. You believe
you are nothing more than neural processes. More particularly,
*those* neural processes.
My belief says that I am more than neural processes. That I will find
myself in existance again. Therefore I need a safe place to spend
eternity.
Why? Your soul is supposedly indestructible, isn't it?
I think Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens) said it best:
"I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never
inconvenienced me a bit."
So what happens to Mark Twain's soul in another million years?
What about a Billion?
A Googleplex?
What about over infinity?
If you think he stays dead, it would seem impossible for him to have
ever been in the first place.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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27 Jul 2005 04:18:43 AM |
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"Kenneth Lantrip" <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in message
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DanielSan wrote:snip
So what happens to Mark Twain's soul in another million years?
Who cares? Not like there's any evidence it even exists.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Kenneth Lantrip" |
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22 Jul 2005 07:07:42 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1699d$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:42 -0400, Kenneth Lantrip
<bothersome@cmaaccess.com> let us all know that:
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must.
No, it is an impossibility for humans.
You're just terrified of death, and are denying that death
happens.
Don
To die and never exist again would put us into a position that would
not need salvation. That is the reason you are atheist. You believe
you are nothing more than neural processes. More particularly,
*those* neural processes.
My belief says that I am more than neural processes. That I will find
myself in existance again. Therefore I need a safe place to spend
eternity.
Why? Your soul is supposedly indestructible, isn't it?
You are correct! It is indestructible. However, it can be placed in a
state of pain. Thus the need for salvation.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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23 Jul 2005 07:41:51 AM |
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"Kenneth Lantrip" <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in message
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Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1699d$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:42 -0400, Kenneth Lantrip
<bothersome@cmaaccess.com> let us all know that:
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must.
No, it is an impossibility for humans.
You're just terrified of death, and are denying that death
happens.
Don
To die and never exist again would put us into a position that would
not need salvation. That is the reason you are atheist. You believe
you are nothing more than neural processes. More particularly,
*those* neural processes.
My belief says that I am more than neural processes. That I will find
myself in existance again. Therefore I need a safe place to spend
eternity.
Why? Your soul is supposedly indestructible, isn't it?
You are correct! It is indestructible. However, it can be placed in a
state of pain. Thus the need for salvation.
So, your god tortures people simply for not believing in it when it refuses
to provide evidence of its existence?
Why would anyone want to worship such a monster?
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| User: "Kenneth Lantrip" |
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23 Jul 2005 05:30:14 PM |
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Peacenik wrote:
"Kenneth Lantrip" <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in message
You are correct! It is indestructible. However, it can be placed in a
state of pain. Thus the need for salvation.
So, your god tortures people simply for not believing in it when it refuses
to provide evidence of its existence?
Why would anyone want to worship such a monster?
First, I do not consider God a monster. And I choose to worship him
because of his grace towards our souls.
The lake of fire or "tortures" you claim, are reserved for those souls
that seek to corrupt others in not seeking paradise with God.
You simply do not understand God's will. I would even say you do not
have the capacity to understand God's will.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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23 Jul 2005 08:00:57 AM |
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"Kenneth Lantrip" <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in message
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You are correct! It is indestructible. However, it can be placed in a
state of pain. Thus the need for salvation.
Prove it.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Kenneth Lantrip" |
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23 Jul 2005 05:31:20 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Kenneth Lantrip" <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in message
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snip
You are correct! It is indestructible. However, it can be placed in a
state of pain. Thus the need for salvation.
Prove it.
Sorry, I do not have to bend to your will.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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27 Jul 2005 04:18:04 AM |
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"Kenneth Lantrip" <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Kenneth Lantrip" <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in message
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You are correct! It is indestructible. However, it can be placed in a
state of pain. Thus the need for salvation.
Prove it.
Sorry, I do not have to bend to your will.
Can't prove it, huh? Didn't think so.
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Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 Jul 2005 07:33:51 AM |
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In episode <42e2d1d1$0$793$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com>, Kenneth Lantrip
burst into the room and exclaimed:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Kenneth Lantrip" <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in message
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You are correct! It is indestructible. However, it can be placed in a
state of pain. Thus the need for salvation.
Prove it.
Sorry, I do not have to bend to your will.
So you admit you don't have any evidence...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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27 Jul 2005 06:29:59 AM |
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Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Kenneth Lantrip" <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in message
news:42e196e6$0$793
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You are correct! It is indestructible. However, it can be placed in
a state of pain. Thus the need for salvation.
Prove it.
Sorry, I do not have to bend to your will.
so it's just another theist baseless assertion then ? ......... more hot
air ......
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Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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23 Jul 2005 02:22:33 AM |
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Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1699d$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:42 -0400, Kenneth Lantrip
<bothersome@cmaaccess.com> let us all know that:
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must.
No, it is an impossibility for humans.
You're just terrified of death, and are denying that death
happens.
Don
To die and never exist again would put us into a position that would
not need salvation. That is the reason you are atheist. You believe
you are nothing more than neural processes. More particularly,
*those* neural processes.
My belief says that I am more than neural processes. That I will find
myself in existance again. Therefore I need a safe place to spend
eternity.
Why? Your soul is supposedly indestructible, isn't it?
You are correct! It is indestructible. However, it can be placed in a
state of pain. Thus the need for salvation.
So, you're religious for selfish purposes?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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23 Jul 2005 01:23:06 AM |
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[posted and mailed]
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> astounded us with: news:42e196e6
$0$793$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1699d$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:42 -0400, Kenneth Lantrip
<bothersome@cmaaccess.com> let us all know that:
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must.
No, it is an impossibility for humans.
You're just terrified of death, and are denying that death
happens.
Don
To die and never exist again would put us into a position that would
not need salvation. That is the reason you are atheist. You believe
you are nothing more than neural processes. More particularly,
*those* neural processes.
My belief says that I am more than neural processes. That I will find
myself in existance again. Therefore I need a safe place to spend
eternity.
Why? Your soul is supposedly indestructible, isn't it?
You are correct! It is indestructible. However, it can be placed in a
state of pain. Thus the need for salvation.
Oh puhleeze!! Indestructible souls that can feel pain?
How old are you, 6?
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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23 Jul 2005 03:33:19 AM |
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Phÿltêr wrote:
[posted and mailed]
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> astounded us with: news:42e196e6
$0$793$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1699d$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:42 -0400, Kenneth Lantrip
<bothersome@cmaaccess.com> let us all know that:
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must.
No, it is an impossibility for humans.
You're just terrified of death, and are denying that death
happens.
Don
To die and never exist again would put us into a position that would
not need salvation. That is the reason you are atheist. You believe
you are nothing more than neural processes. More particularly,
*those* neural processes.
My belief says that I am more than neural processes. That I will find
myself in existance again. Therefore I need a safe place to spend
eternity.
Why? Your soul is supposedly indestructible, isn't it?
You are correct! It is indestructible. However, it can be placed in a
state of pain. Thus the need for salvation.
Oh puhleeze!! Indestructible souls that can feel pain?
How old are you, 6?
Pain is a response to attacks on the physical body, and are carried
through one of two tracts: The neospinothalamic tract (for involuntary
reactions to pain, such as jerking a hand back from a hot burner) and
the paleospinothalamic tract (for longer pains, like indigestion,
heartburn, wounds, etc.). Pain is a firing of electricity from the area
of the injury to the brain via neurons in the Central Nervous System.
Souls, as they are defined by religious people, are incorporeal
enttites. Therefore, for incorporeal entities, there can be no neurons,
so therefore, there can be no pain... in the world of the religious,
that is.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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23 Jul 2005 05:22:09 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Phÿltêr wrote:
Oh puhleeze!! Indestructible souls that can feel pain?
How old are you, 6?
Pain is a response to attacks on the physical body, and are carried
through one of two tracts: The neospinothalamic tract (for involuntary
reactions to pain, such as jerking a hand back from a hot burner) and
the paleospinothalamic tract (for longer pains, like indigestion,
heartburn, wounds, etc.). Pain is a firing of electricity from the area
of the injury to the brain via neurons in the Central Nervous System.
Souls, as they are defined by religious people, are incorporeal
enttites. Therefore, for incorporeal entities, there can be no neurons,
so therefore, there can be no pain... in the world of the religious,
that is.
Let me give you a parable so that you might see.
There was a scientist that wanted to make better fighter jet pilots. So
he rigged his virtual-environment fighter jet simulator up to a relay
circuit. So that when the trainee crashed they would receive an
electric shock that was very painful. Ask yourself, "if the trainee was
inside the simulator or somewhere else?"
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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22 Jul 2005 07:12:48 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:39:49 -0400, Kenneth Lantrip
<bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:42 -0400, Kenneth Lantrip
<bothersome@cmaaccess.com> let us all know that:
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must.
No, it is an impossibility for humans.
You're just terrified of death, and are denying that death
happens.
Don
To die and never exist again would put us into a position that would not
need salvation. That is the reason you are atheist. You believe you
are nothing more than neural processes. More particularly, *those*
neural processes
No, liar, we are atheist because we aren't theist.
My belief says that I am more than neural processes. That I will find
myself in existance again. Therefore I need a safe place to spend eternity.
You mis-spelled "delusion",moron.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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23 Jul 2005 01:20:37 AM |
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[posted and mailed]
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> astounded us with:
news:42e1699d$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:42 -0400, Kenneth Lantrip
<bothersome@cmaaccess.com> let us all know that:
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must.
No, it is an impossibility for humans.
You're just terrified of death, and are denying that death
happens.
Don
To die and never exist again would put us into a position that would not
need salvation.
Salvation from what, dying? Circular argument from a circular moron
That is the reason you are atheist. You believe you
are nothing more than neural processes. More particularly, *those*
neural processes.
I am a living, breathing, thinking, rational person, unlike you.
My belief says that I am more than neural processes. That I will find
myself in existance again. Therefore I need a safe place to spend
eternity.
In other words, petrified of death. Petrified of the finality of it, so you
fritter away your precious life with eyes shut tight, praying that when
it's over, it's not over.
I got over god and an afterlife at about the same time I realised that
Santa was merely a ploy to keep kids on their best behaviour.
God is just Santa for adults.
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Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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23 Jul 2005 05:37:33 PM |
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Phÿltêr wrote:
[posted and mailed]
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> astounded us with:
news:42e1699d$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:42 -0400, Kenneth Lantrip
<bothersome@cmaaccess.com> let us all know that:
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must.
No, it is an impossibility for humans.
You're just terrified of death, and are denying that death
happens.
Don
To die and never exist again would put us into a position that would not
need salvation.
Salvation from what, dying? Circular argument from a circular moron
That is the reason you are atheist. You believe you
are nothing more than neural processes. More particularly, *those*
neural processes.
I am a living, breathing, thinking, rational person, unlike you.
My belief says that I am more than neural processes. That I will find
myself in existance again. Therefore I need a safe place to spend
eternity.
In other words, petrified of death. Petrified of the finality of it, so you
fritter away your precious life with eyes shut tight, praying that when
it's over, it's not over.
I got over god and an afterlife at about the same time I realised that
Santa was merely a ploy to keep kids on their best behaviour.
God is just Santa for adults.
Were you not much happier when you believed in Santa?
Your problem is, that you are incapable in believing in your own self as
something more then just an accident.
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27 Jul 2005 04:19:56 AM |
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"Kenneth Lantrip" <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in message
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Were you not much happier when you believed in Santa?
Are you kidding me? Frankly, I prefer reality to fantasy.
Your problem is, that you are incapable in believing in your own self as
something more then just an accident.
Who are you to speak for him?
And hey, guess what, I WAS an accident. Most adoptees aren't planned
children, you know.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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22 Jul 2005 05:52:48 PM |
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Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
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jpopelish@rica.net wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
I was once as you, seeking purpose in my life.
(snip)
I suspect that each person is unique, so I doubt that we are alike.
However, I often think about what I am doing with my life.
Therefore, your primary purpose in life is to secure a place in
paradise with God.
(snip)
This, I have real problems with. It just makes no sense at all, to
me. Please elaborate, if you will, exactly what you intend to do for
eternity, in paradise, with this God character. It just sounds
deadly dull, to me.
Since the soul has no memory,
I won't even ask you how you know this.
you can choose to forget that you have already ridden the
roller-coaster.
Or this.
You can ride it again and again as if it is your first time.
To what point.
Not remembering and not learning is very much like not existing.
You only have infinite time. So you will eventually have done all
that you want to have done. You will need to forget some things (by
choice) in order to enjoy them again and again.
What do you intend to do in all eternity, without paradise to secure
you from undesirable environments?
I an very happy that there is no evidence of an after death
existence, so that I don't have to worry about what I will do for all
eternity.
Like so many others, you demand proof. But the ticket to paradise is
faith. If proof is provided, then faith would be nulled. God still
has time for his people to find him through faith. Therefore he
denies you proof.
I can see no possibility that my finite mind could handle eternity
with any kind of consciousness without going completely insane.
You will find yourself in existance again. Just as unlikely that you
found yourself in existance now.
You said elsewhere that the soul has no memory. So if "I" do "find
myself" in existence again I won't know it.
There are no undesirable enviroments when you are dead.
Why, exactly, do you desire to have an eternal existence?
What do you hope to use it for?
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must. It *WILL* happen. It
*MUST* happen. Surely as I exist now, I will exist in all eternity.
For it cannot be, to NOT exist. To not exist is an impossibility at
this point.
I know that's hard for you to comprehend. That is why faith is
required.
Why? Because you cannot bear to imagine yourself not existing?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Political correctness is a form of moral and emotional blackmail
whereby if you call a spade a spade you must
a) apologize to the spade,
b) if you live in the US, take a sensitivity training course, or
c) if you live in Old Yurp, you are taken to court for defamation of the
aforementioned spade.
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| User: "Kenneth Lantrip" |
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22 Jul 2005 07:12:52 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1659a$0$794$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
jpopelish@rica.net wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
I was once as you, seeking purpose in my life.
(snip)
I suspect that each person is unique, so I doubt that we are alike.
However, I often think about what I am doing with my life.
Therefore, your primary purpose in life is to secure a place in
paradise with God.
(snip)
This, I have real problems with. It just makes no sense at all, to
me. Please elaborate, if you will, exactly what you intend to do for
eternity, in paradise, with this God character. It just sounds
deadly dull, to me.
Since the soul has no memory,
I won't even ask you how you know this.
you can choose to forget that you have already ridden the
roller-coaster.
Or this.
You can ride it again and again as if it is your first time.
To what point.
Not remembering and not learning is very much like not existing.
You only have infinite time. So you will eventually have done all
that you want to have done. You will need to forget some things (by
choice) in order to enjoy them again and again.
What do you intend to do in all eternity, without paradise to secure
you from undesirable environments?
I an very happy that there is no evidence of an after death
existence, so that I don't have to worry about what I will do for all
eternity.
Like so many others, you demand proof. But the ticket to paradise is
faith. If proof is provided, then faith would be nulled. God still
has time for his people to find him through faith. Therefore he
denies you proof.
I can see no possibility that my finite mind could handle eternity
with any kind of consciousness without going completely insane.
You will find yourself in existance again. Just as unlikely that you
found yourself in existance now.
You said elsewhere that the soul has no memory. So if "I" do "find
myself" in existence again I won't know it.
Correct. But, you will *still* be there passing the moments. Except
that you probably will not enjoy them unless you accept Jesus as your
Lord and Saviour.
There are no undesirable enviroments when you are dead.
Why, exactly, do you desire to have an eternal existence?
What do you hope to use it for?
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must. It *WILL* happen. It
*MUST* happen. Surely as I exist now, I will exist in all eternity.
For it cannot be, to NOT exist. To not exist is an impossibility at
this point.
I know that's hard for you to comprehend. That is why faith is
required.
Why? Because you cannot bear to imagine yourself not existing?
That's hard to explain. But as surely as you exist now, you will exist
elsewhere after this life is over. For existance happened to you once,
it will happen to you again.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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23 Jul 2005 08:01:52 AM |
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"Kenneth Lantrip" <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in message
news:42e1981d$0$793$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com...
snip\
Correct. But, you will *still* be there passing the moments. Except that
you probably will not enjoy them unless you accept Jesus as your Lord and
Saviour.
What a crock of unadulterated *****.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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22 Jul 2005 08:39:33 PM |
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Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1981d$0$793$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1659a$0$794$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
jpopelish@rica.net wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
I was once as you, seeking purpose in my life.
(snip)
I suspect that each person is unique, so I doubt that we are
alike. However, I often think about what I am doing with my life.
Therefore, your primary purpose in life is to secure a place in
paradise with God.
(snip)
This, I have real problems with. It just makes no sense at all,
to me. Please elaborate, if you will, exactly what you intend to
do for eternity, in paradise, with this God character. It just
sounds deadly dull, to me.
Since the soul has no memory,
I won't even ask you how you know this.
you can choose to forget that you have already ridden the
roller-coaster.
Or this.
You can ride it again and again as if it is your first time.
To what point.
Not remembering and not learning is very much like not existing.
You only have infinite time. So you will eventually have done all
that you want to have done. You will need to forget some things (by
choice) in order to enjoy them again and again.
What do you intend to do in all eternity, without paradise to
secure you from undesirable environments?
I an very happy that there is no evidence of an after death
existence, so that I don't have to worry about what I will do for
all eternity.
Like so many others, you demand proof. But the ticket to paradise is
faith. If proof is provided, then faith would be nulled. God still
has time for his people to find him through faith. Therefore he
denies you proof.
I can see no possibility that my finite mind could handle eternity
with any kind of consciousness without going completely insane.
You will find yourself in existance again. Just as unlikely that you
found yourself in existance now.
You said elsewhere that the soul has no memory. So if "I" do "find
myself" in existence again I won't know it.
Correct. But, you will *still* be there passing the moments. Except
that you probably will not enjoy them unless you accept Jesus as your
Lord and Saviour.
It doesn't seem like much to look forward to either way. Without memory,
there is no way to correlate experiences. Even the concept of enjoyment
requires an ability to remember what it is that you're enjoying, at
least from moment to moment. You're describing the life of a fish in an
aquarium, unable to remember long enough to swim from one end of the
bowl to the other, so every time they circle around it's like something
new.
There are no undesirable enviroments when you are dead.
Why, exactly, do you desire to have an eternal existence?
What do you hope to use it for?
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must. It *WILL* happen.
It *MUST* happen. Surely as I exist now, I will exist in all
eternity. For it cannot be, to NOT exist. To not exist is an
impossibility at this point.
I know that's hard for you to comprehend. That is why faith is
required.
Why? Because you cannot bear to imagine yourself not existing?
That's hard to explain. But as surely as you exist now, you will
exist elsewhere after this life is over. For existance happened to
you once, it will happen to you again.
Why surely? There is no reliable evidence of an afterlife. My existence
is only the passing arrangement of the material of my body and brain.
When it ceases to be so arranged, I will cease to exist. And I won't
miss existence because I won't be there to miss anything.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Political correctness is a form of moral and emotional blackmail
whereby if you call a spade a spade you must
a) apologize to the spade,
b) if you live in the US, take a sensitivity training course, or
c) if you live in Old Yurp, you are taken to court for defamation of the
aforementioned spade.
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| User: "Kenneth Lantrip" |
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| Title: Re: If you're looking for purpose in your life, read this. |
22 Jul 2005 08:03:37 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1981d$0$793$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1659a$0$794$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
jpopelish@rica.net wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
I was once as you, seeking purpose in my life.
(snip)
I suspect that each person is unique, so I doubt that we are
alike. However, I often think about what I am doing with my life.
Therefore, your primary purpose in life is to secure a place in
paradise with God.
(snip)
This, I have real problems with. It just makes no sense at all,
to me. Please elaborate, if you will, exactly what you intend to
do for eternity, in paradise, with this God character. It just
sounds deadly dull, to me.
Since the soul has no memory,
I won't even ask you how you know this.
you can choose to forget that you have already ridden the
roller-coaster.
Or this.
You can ride it again and again as if it is your first time.
To what point.
Not remembering and not learning is very much like not existing.
You only have infinite time. So you will eventually have done all
that you want to have done. You will need to forget some things (by
choice) in order to enjoy them again and again.
What do you intend to do in all eternity, without paradise to
secure you from undesirable environments?
I an very happy that there is no evidence of an after death
existence, so that I don't have to worry about what I will do for
all eternity.
Like so many others, you demand proof. But the ticket to paradise is
faith. If proof is provided, then faith would be nulled. God still
has time for his people to find him through faith. Therefore he
denies you proof.
I can see no possibility that my finite mind could handle eternity
with any kind of consciousness without going completely insane.
You will find yourself in existance again. Just as unlikely that you
found yourself in existance now.
You said elsewhere that the soul has no memory. So if "I" do "find
myself" in existence again I won't know it.
Correct. But, you will *still* be there passing the moments. Except
that you probably will not enjoy them unless you accept Jesus as your
Lord and Saviour.
It doesn't seem like much to look forward to either way. Without memory,
there is no way to correlate experiences. Even the concept of enjoyment
requires an ability to remember what it is that you're enjoying, at
least from moment to moment. You're describing the life of a fish in an
aquarium, unable to remember long enough to swim from one end of the
bowl to the other, so every time they circle around it's like something
new.
But if you enjoy swimming to the *new* side of the aquarium, that's all
that matters. You gotta be somewhere, at least make it enjoyable.
There are no undesirable enviroments when you are dead.
Why, exactly, do you desire to have an eternal existence?
What do you hope to use it for?
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must. It *WILL* happen.
It *MUST* happen. Surely as I exist now, I will exist in all
eternity. For it cannot be, to NOT exist. To not exist is an
impossibility at this point.
I know that's hard for you to comprehend. That is why faith is
required.
Why? Because you cannot bear to imagine yourself not existing?
That's hard to explain. But as surely as you exist now, you will
exist elsewhere after this life is over. For existance happened to
you once, it will happen to you again.
Why surely?
Because time is infinite. To say Never again is nigh impossible with
infinite time against you.
There is no reliable evidence of an afterlife. My existence
is only the passing arrangement of the material of my body and brain.
When it ceases to be so arranged, I will cease to exist. And I won't
miss existence because I won't be there to miss anything.
Yet you cannot answer why you are that brain and not some other brain.
What made you that brain *in particular*? Logic would believe that you
don't exist anywhere, and that it is impossible to become a conciousness
in any system. It would simply be a complex system of pushing electrons
around, working logic about. How could that possibly make it *you*?
Yet there you are.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: If you're looking for purpose in your life, read this. |
22 Jul 2005 09:31:23 PM |
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Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1a402$0$799$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1981d$0$793$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1659a$0$794$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
jpopelish@rica.net wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
I was once as you, seeking purpose in my life.
(snip)
I suspect that each person is unique, so I doubt that we are
alike. However, I often think about what I am doing with my
life.
Therefore, your primary purpose in life is to secure a place in
paradise with God.
(snip)
This, I have real problems with. It just makes no sense at all,
to me. Please elaborate, if you will, exactly what you intend to
do for eternity, in paradise, with this God character. It just
sounds deadly dull, to me.
Since the soul has no memory,
I won't even ask you how you know this.
you can choose to forget that you have already ridden the
roller-coaster.
Or this.
You can ride it again and again as if it is your first time.
To what point.
Not remembering and not learning is very much like not existing.
You only have infinite time. So you will eventually have done all
that you want to have done. You will need to forget some things
(by choice) in order to enjoy them again and again.
What do you intend to do in all eternity, without paradise to
secure you from undesirable environments?
I an very happy that there is no evidence of an after death
existence, so that I don't have to worry about what I will do for
all eternity.
Like so many others, you demand proof. But the ticket to paradise
is faith. If proof is provided, then faith would be nulled. God
still has time for his people to find him through faith. Therefore
he denies you proof.
I can see no possibility that my finite mind could handle eternity
with any kind of consciousness without going completely insane.
You will find yourself in existance again. Just as unlikely that
you found yourself in existance now.
You said elsewhere that the soul has no memory. So if "I" do "find
myself" in existence again I won't know it.
Correct. But, you will *still* be there passing the moments. Except
that you probably will not enjoy them unless you accept Jesus as your
Lord and Saviour.
It doesn't seem like much to look forward to either way. Without
memory, there is no way to correlate experiences. Even the concept of
enjoyment requires an ability to remember what it is that you're
enjoying, at least from moment to moment. You're describing the life
of a fish in an aquarium, unable to remember long enough to swim from
one end of the bowl to the other, so every time they circle around
it's like something new.
But if you enjoy swimming to the *new* side of the aquarium, that's
all that matters. You gotta be somewhere, at least make it enjoyable.
But my fundamental enjoyment *now* will be of no value, if I can't
remember it. I value my memories.
What good is having a memory *now* if it's all going to vanish anyway.
There are no undesirable enviroments when you are dead.
Why, exactly, do you desire to have an eternal existence?
What do you hope to use it for?
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must. It *WILL* happen.
It *MUST* happen. Surely as I exist now, I will exist in all
eternity. For it cannot be, to NOT exist. To not exist is an
impossibility at this point.
I know that's hard for you to comprehend. That is why faith is
required.
Why? Because you cannot bear to imagine yourself not existing?
That's hard to explain. But as surely as you exist now, you will
exist elsewhere after this life is over. For existance happened to
you once, it will happen to you again.
Why surely?
Because time is infinite. To say Never again is nigh impossible with
infinite time against you.
Of course, without a memory of who I *was*, it's not *me* anyway.
There is no reliable evidence of an afterlife. My existence
is only the passing arrangement of the material of my body and brain.
When it ceases to be so arranged, I will cease to exist. And I won't
miss existence because I won't be there to miss anything.
Yet you cannot answer why you are that brain and not some other brain.
Why would I even ask that question? It's my brain.
What made you that brain *in particular*?
My brain had to have some personality, since that's what human brains
do. I just happen to be the one right here, right now.
Logic would believe that
you don't exist anywhere, and that it is impossible to become a
conciousness in any system.
Why would logic believe that? I know of no logical constraint that would
prohibit consciousness from arising as a purely materialistic
phenomenon.
It would simply be a complex system of
pushing electrons around, working logic about. How could that
possibly make it *you*? Yet there you are.
What's so special about *me* that I can't be a sufficiently organized
collection of electron-pushers? Disrupt that system and *I* become
disrupted, in predictable ways based on the nature of the disruption to
the system.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Political correctness is a form of moral and emotional blackmail
whereby if you call a spade a spade you must
a) apologize to the spade,
b) if you live in the US, take a sensitivity training course, or
c) if you live in Old Yurp, you are taken to court for defamation of the
aforementioned spade.
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| User: "Kenneth Lantrip" |
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| Title: Re: If you're looking for purpose in your life, read this. |
23 Jul 2005 05:52:55 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
But my fundamental enjoyment *now* will be of no value, if I can't
remember it. I value my memories.
What good is having a memory *now* if it's all going to vanish anyway.
In paradise, your memory of this Earth and life will vanish. It will be
erased, so that you may enjoy a new way of life. To lose the baggage
that has been place upon you. You will be given new memories.
Of course, without a memory of who I *was*, it's not *me* anyway.
It will still be you. Was it not you in your dream? Yet you are still
you now, without the memories from your dream.
My brain had to have some personality, since that's what human brains
do. I just happen to be the one right here, right now.
Why that one? You need to get to the fundimental of that question to
understand one's self.
What's so special about *me* that I can't be a sufficiently organized
collection of electron-pushers? Disrupt that system and *I* become
disrupted, in predictable ways based on the nature of the disruption to
the system.
Try to think along the lines of: If you were cloned, would you be
seeing out of four eyes?
The real basic problem to you not believing in God, is that you don't
believe in yourself first. Do you truly think you are simply cogs in
the grand system of things?
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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22 Jul 2005 09:44:18 PM |
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Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
Yet you cannot answer why you are that brain and not some other brain.
What made you that brain *in particular*?
My genetic code made my brain, with the loving assistance of my parents.
Logic would believe that you don't exist anywhere,
You will have to explain that logic. I might agree with it.
and that it is impossible to become a conciousness in any system.
Why?
It would simply be a complex system of pushing electrons
around, working logic about. How could that possibly make it *you*?
How do you know that I am not just a complex system pushing electrons
around? I think I am.
Yet there you are.
Pushing my electrons around.
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| User: "Kenneth Lantrip" |
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| Title: Re: If you're looking for purpose in your life, read this. |
23 Jul 2005 05:42:35 PM |
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John Popelish wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
Yet you cannot answer why you are that brain and not some other brain.
What made you that brain *in particular*?
My genetic code made my brain, with the loving assistance of my parents.
Logic would believe that you don't exist anywhere,
You will have to explain that logic. I might agree with it.
and that it is impossible to become a conciousness in any system.
Why?
It would simply be a complex system of pushing electrons around,
working logic about. How could that possibly make it *you*?
How do you know that I am not just a complex system pushing electrons
around? I think I am.
Yet there you are.
Pushing my electrons around.
OK, I will accept, in my belief, that you are nothing more than simply
part of the machine. Much like the computer sitting on the desk in
front of me.
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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26 Jul 2005 11:48:09 PM |
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Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
(snip)
It would simply be a complex system of pushing electrons around,
working logic about. How could that possibly make it *you*?
How do you know that I am not just a complex system pushing electrons
around? I think I am.
Yet there you are.
Pushing my electrons around.
OK, I will accept, in my belief, that you are nothing more than simply
part of the machine. Much like the computer sitting on the desk in
front of me.
Thank you. I am part of the machine known as the universe.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: If you're looking for purpose in your life, read this. |
23 Jul 2005 02:24:34 AM |
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Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip <bothersome@cmaaccess.com> wrote in
news:42e1659a$0$794$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com:
jpopelish@rica.net wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
Kenneth Lantrip wrote:
I was once as you, seeking purpose in my life.
(snip)
I suspect that each person is unique, so I doubt that we are alike.
However, I often think about what I am doing with my life.
Therefore, your primary purpose in life is to secure a place in
paradise with God.
(snip)
This, I have real problems with. It just makes no sense at all, to
me. Please elaborate, if you will, exactly what you intend to do for
eternity, in paradise, with this God character. It just sounds
deadly dull, to me.
Since the soul has no memory,
I won't even ask you how you know this.
you can choose to forget that you have already ridden the
roller-coaster.
Or this.
You can ride it again and again as if it is your first time.
To what point.
Not remembering and not learning is very much like not existing.
You only have infinite time. So you will eventually have done all
that you want to have done. You will need to forget some things (by
choice) in order to enjoy them again and again.
What do you intend to do in all eternity, without paradise to secure
you from undesirable environments?
I an very happy that there is no evidence of an after death
existence, so that I don't have to worry about what I will do for all
eternity.
Like so many others, you demand proof. But the ticket to paradise is
faith. If proof is provided, then faith would be nulled. God still
has time for his people to find him through faith. Therefore he
denies you proof.
I can see no possibility that my finite mind could handle eternity
with any kind of consciousness without going completely insane.
You will find yourself in existance again. Just as unlikely that you
found yourself in existance now.
You said elsewhere that the soul has no memory. So if "I" do "find
myself" in existence again I won't know it.
Correct. But, you will *still* be there passing the moments. Except
that you probably will not enjoy them unless you accept Jesus as your
Lord and Saviour.
Are you threatening us?
There are no undesirable enviroments when you are dead.
Why, exactly, do you desire to have an eternal existence?
What do you hope to use it for?
Eternal existance is not desired, it is a must. It *WILL* happen. It
*MUST* happen. Surely as I exist now, I will exist in all eternity.
For it cannot be, to NOT exist. To not exist is an impossibility at
this point.
I know that's hard for you to comprehend. That is why faith is
required.
Why? Because you cannot bear to imagine yourself not existing?
That's hard to explain. But as surely as you exist now, you will exist
elsewhere after this life is over. For existance happened to you once,
it will happen to you again.
Why? Did you exist 500 years ago? 550 years ago? 10,000 years ago?
What's so hard about accepting that, in 500 years, you will not exist
like you didn't 500 years ago?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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