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16 Jan 2005 05:28:27 PM |
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Ignorant Savage Checks In |
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
What is intelligent design? Are our kids being taught to think? Do
schools want to give a good education?
The York Daily Record definition says, “ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being.”
Educated experts from http://www.discovery.org say ID is, “The
scientific theory of intelligent design holds that certain
features of the universe and of living things are best explained
by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural
selection. Note: Intelligent design theory does not claim that
science can determine the identity of the intelligent cause. Nor
does it claim that the intelligent cause must be a ‘divine being’
or a ‘higher power’ or an ‘all-powerful force.’ All it proposes is
that science can identify whether certain features of the natural
world are the products of intelligence.”
An article titled “Students should learn to assess competing
theories,” by Steve Meyer, Ph.D., and John Campbell, professor at
the University of Memphis, says, “A good education presents
students with competing perspectives held by credible experts, and
offers them the skills to judge these views themselves.” And
“teachers should describe differing views to students and explain
the arguments for and against these views as made by their chief
proponents. We call this “teaching the controversy.” This makes
perfect sense to me; that is if we want to teach the kids to
think.
In the same article, they refuted the theory of evolution, saying,
“More than 330 scientists, including professors from institutions
such as M.I.T, Yale and Rice universities, along with the
Smithsonian Institution, have signed a statement authored by the
Discovery Institute in Seattle that questions the creative power
of the selection/mutation mechanism.”
The article also said, “Teachers should also be free to tell their
students about alternative new theories such as Behe’s design
theory, provided these theories are based (as Behe’s is) upon
scientific evidence, not biblical passages.” Behe is a professor
of biochemistry at Lehigh University,
http://www.arn.org/behe/behehome.htm. Behe is also the author of
“Darwin’s Black Box.”
Meyer and Campbell went on to say, “There are many reasons to
adopt this ‘teach the controversy approach. First, constitutional
law permits it. In Edwards v. Aguillard, the U.S. Supreme Court
ruled that state legislatures (and by extension state boards)
already have the right to mandate teaching scientific critiques of
prevailing theories. Interestingly, the court also determined that
teachers have the right to teach students about ‘a variety of
scientific theories about origins . . . with the clear secular
intent of enhancing science education.’
“Second, federal education policy calls for it. The authoritative
report accompanying the No Child Left Behind Act states that
“where topics are taught that may generate controversy (such as
biological evolution), the curriculum should help students to
understand the full range of views that exist.”
“Third, polls show that more than 70 percent of the electorate
(both in California and nationally) favor teaching both the
evidence for and against Darwin’s theory of evolution.”
After reading that, I was very impressed with the Dover school
board’s decision, and I had to ask myself:
1. Why are the 11 protesters and lawyers trying to derail a good
education?
2. Why don’t the minority (11 parents, plus a few lawyers) want to
seek the truth?
3. If 70 percent of America is in favor of teaching both theories,
why is this such a big deal? What are they afraid of? Isn’t this a
democracy?
Charles Darwin wrote, “A fair result can be obtained only by fully
stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of
each question.”
In summary, 330 scientists and professors do not support
evolution. Perhaps the York College instructors are superior to
these scholars. I seriously doubt it. As far as teaching ID,
constitutional law permits it, federal education policy calls for
it, and polls show that 70 percent of U.S. citizens favor teaching
the opposing views of evolution. In York County, we have 11 people
opposing the teaching of ID; of the 11, only one of them has a
child who will be in a ninth-grade Dover biology class this year.
Talk about extreme minority.
From a scientific standpoint, it is more obvious to me than ever
that “the theory of ID is a far superior theory” and it should be
taught in the biology classroom, in public schools. If we are
fortunate enough to have school vouchers implemented, which will
create competition and will improve our schools, I will be glad to
send my kids to a school that follows the “teach the controversy”
method.
Chuck Warner lives in York Township.
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http://lastliberal.org
I believe that all bosses and employers should be able to fire a
homosexual for being gay. However, I also believe they should be able to
fire people for the color of their skin. - Ken
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| User: "Bill" |
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16 Jan 2005 08:13:49 PM |
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"The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile" <desertphile@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:34vmhrF4a1v6cU1@individual.net...
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
What is intelligent design? Are our kids being taught to think? Do
schools want to give a good education?
The York Daily Record definition says, "ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being."
This is a specious argument just like the argument for first cause.
If there must be a creator because the Universe is so complex than the
creator of the Universe must also be very complex and require and require
a designer and on and on into infinity.
In turn if god always was and always will be it is equally logical that the
Universe
always was and always will be.
Educated experts from http://www.discovery.org say ID is, "The
scientific theory of intelligent design holds that certain
features of the universe and of living things are best explained
by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural
selection. Note: Intelligent design theory does not claim that
science can determine the identity of the intelligent cause. Nor
does it claim that the intelligent cause must be a 'divine being'
or a 'higher power' or an 'all-powerful force.' All it proposes is
that science can identify whether certain features of the natural
world are the products of intelligence."
An article titled "Students should learn to assess competing
theories," by Steve Meyer, Ph.D., and John Campbell, professor at
the University of Memphis, says, "A good education presents
students with competing perspectives held by credible experts, and
offers them the skills to judge these views themselves." And
"teachers should describe differing views to students and explain
the arguments for and against these views as made by their chief
proponents. We call this "teaching the controversy." This makes
perfect sense to me; that is if we want to teach the kids to
think.
In the same article, they refuted the theory of evolution, saying,
"More than 330 scientists, including professors from institutions
such as M.I.T, Yale and Rice universities, along with the
Smithsonian Institution, have signed a statement authored by the
Discovery Institute in Seattle that questions the creative power
of the selection/mutation mechanism."
The article also said, "Teachers should also be free to tell their
students about alternative new theories such as Behe's design
theory, provided these theories are based (as Behe's is) upon
scientific evidence, not biblical passages." Behe is a professor
of biochemistry at Lehigh University,
http://www.arn.org/behe/behehome.htm. Behe is also the author of
"Darwin's Black Box."
Meyer and Campbell went on to say, "There are many reasons to
adopt this 'teach the controversy approach. First, constitutional
law permits it. In Edwards v. Aguillard, the U.S. Supreme Court
ruled that state legislatures (and by extension state boards)
already have the right to mandate teaching scientific critiques of
prevailing theories. Interestingly, the court also determined that
teachers have the right to teach students about 'a variety of
scientific theories about origins . . . with the clear secular
intent of enhancing science education.'
"Second, federal education policy calls for it. The authoritative
report accompanying the No Child Left Behind Act states that
"where topics are taught that may generate controversy (such as
biological evolution), the curriculum should help students to
understand the full range of views that exist."
"Third, polls show that more than 70 percent of the electorate
(both in California and nationally) favor teaching both the
evidence for and against Darwin's theory of evolution."
After reading that, I was very impressed with the Dover school
board's decision, and I had to ask myself:
1. Why are the 11 protesters and lawyers trying to derail a good
education?
2. Why don't the minority (11 parents, plus a few lawyers) want to
seek the truth?
3. If 70 percent of America is in favor of teaching both theories,
why is this such a big deal? What are they afraid of? Isn't this a
democracy?
Charles Darwin wrote, "A fair result can be obtained only by fully
stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of
each question."
In summary, 330 scientists and professors do not support
evolution. Perhaps the York College instructors are superior to
these scholars. I seriously doubt it. As far as teaching ID,
constitutional law permits it, federal education policy calls for
it, and polls show that 70 percent of U.S. citizens favor teaching
the opposing views of evolution. In York County, we have 11 people
opposing the teaching of ID; of the 11, only one of them has a
child who will be in a ninth-grade Dover biology class this year.
Talk about extreme minority.
From a scientific standpoint, it is more obvious to me than ever
that "the theory of ID is a far superior theory" and it should be
taught in the biology classroom, in public schools. If we are
fortunate enough to have school vouchers implemented, which will
create competition and will improve our schools, I will be glad to
send my kids to a school that follows the "teach the controversy"
method.
Chuck Warner lives in York Township.
---
http://lastliberal.org
I believe that all bosses and employers should be able to fire a
homosexual for being gay. However, I also believe they should be able to
fire people for the color of their skin. - Ken
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| User: "The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile" |
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16 Jan 2005 11:09:34 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:13:49 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
"The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile" <desertphile@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:34vmhrF4a1v6cU1@individual.net...
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
The York Daily Record definition says, "ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being."
This is a specious argument just like the argument for first cause.
Well, of course. ID's argument boils down to asserting "I cannot
figure out how it was done, therefore the gods dun it." That sure
as hell is not science, nor how science is done. I was subjected
to ID in junior high school in the 1970s, and it was ***** then
and it is ***** now.
If there must be a creator because the Universe is so complex
than the creator of the Universe must also be very complex and
require and require a designer and on and on into infinity.
Gods all the way up; turtles all the way down. Modern ID
proponents pretend to get around your argument by insisting that
they made no mention of any god: they merely claim "something"
designed life on Earth.
In turn if god always was and always will be it is equally logical
that the Universe always was and always will be.
Yeah, sort of like ignorance: it is eternal.
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http://lastliberal.org
Not to expose your true feelings to an adult seems to be instinctive from
the age of seven or eight onwards.
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| User: "Hector Plasmic" |
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18 Jan 2005 06:56:40 PM |
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If 70 percent of America is in favor of teaching both
theories, why is this such a big deal?
Oh, let's take a poll and see if the law of gravity's still in effect
or if the earth just sucks.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Jan 2005 01:18:38 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:28:27 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) said in alt.atheism:
In the same article, they refuted the theory of evolution, saying,
“More than 330 scientists, including professors from institutions
such as M.I.T, Yale and Rice universities, along with the
Smithsonian Institution, have signed a statement authored by the
Discovery Institute in Seattle that questions the creative power
of the selection/mutation mechanism.”
How many of these 330 "scientists" regularly practice in fields
related to evolution?
And, are they aware that tens of thousands of scientists who DO
practice in fields related to evolution have no problem with
evolution?
Meyer and Campbell went on to say, “There are many reasons to
adopt this ‘teach the controversy approach. First, constitutional
law permits it. In Edwards v. Aguillard, the U.S. Supreme Court
ruled that state legislatures (and by extension state boards)
already have the right to mandate teaching scientific critiques of
prevailing theories.
It also ruled that teaching creationism (and ID is just another name
for creationism) is illegal.
Interestingly, the court also determined that
teachers have the right to teach students about ‘a variety of
scientific theories about origins . . . with the clear secular
intent of enhancing science education.’
Which has nothing to do with ID, since calling ID a scientific theory
doesn't make it either scientific or a theory.
“Second, federal education policy calls for it. The authoritative
report accompanying the No Child Left Behind Act states that
“where topics are taught that may generate controversy (such as
biological evolution), the curriculum should help students to
understand the full range of views that exist.”
So, where teaching that the Earth is round creates controversy (it
does), Flat-Earth should also be taught?
“Third, polls show that more than 70 percent of the electorate
(both in California and nationally) favor teaching both the
evidence for and against Darwin’s theory of evolution.”
Argumentum ad numeram. Anyone presenting such an argument should be
barred from further discussion on the subject, since it's patently
clear that he knows nothing of logic.
3. If 70 percent of America is in favor of teaching both theories,
why is this such a big deal? What are they afraid of? Isn’t this a
democracy?
Education isn't, no.
From a scientific standpoint, it is more obvious to me than ever
that “the theory of ID is a far superior theory”
It might be - IF there WERE such a theory. ("Goddidit" isn't a
theory, it's an assertion.)
Chuck Warner lives in York Township.
And needs an elementary education badly, since it's obvious that his
first one never took,
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"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit
priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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18 Jan 2005 02:35:47 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:28:27 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) thought hard and said:
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
What is intelligent design? Are our kids being taught to think? Do
schools want to give a good education?
The York Daily Record definition says, “ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being.”
And is that not teaching religion? Are parents so pathetic these days
that a ***** school has to teach their god-stuff to their kids?
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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20 Jan 2005 04:08:37 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:35:47 -0600, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:28:27 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) thought hard and said:
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
What is intelligent design? Are our kids being taught to think? Do
schools want to give a good education?
The York Daily Record definition says, “ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being.”
And is that not teaching religion? Are parents so pathetic these days
that a ***** school has to teach their god-stuff to their kids?
Yes.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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16 Jan 2005 05:48:45 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, (The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
The brackets indicate relevant phrases that Chuck "forgot" to include:
An article titled "Students should learn to assess competing
theories," by Steve Meyer, Ph.D., [who teaches philosophy at
Whitworth College,] and John Campbell, professor [in the Department
of Communication] at the University of Memphis
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Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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17 Jan 2005 09:48:55 AM |
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TV's The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
What is intelligent design? Are our kids being taught to think? Do
schools want to give a good education?
The York Daily Record definition says, “ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being.”
An entire theory built on a logical fallacy.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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17 Jan 2005 11:49:09 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:351fvkF4bti86U1@individual.net...
TV's The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
What is intelligent design? Are our kids being taught to think? Do
schools want to give a good education?
The York Daily Record definition says, "ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being."
An entire theory built on a logical fallacy.
Not a theory, not even a hypothesis, but a conjecture...at best.
Ian
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"Ian H Spedding" <harry@spedding53.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in news:csg8ns$o3l
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:351fvkF4bti86U1@individual.net...
TV's The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
What is intelligent design? Are our kids being taught to think? Do
schools want to give a good education?
The York Daily Record definition says, "ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being."
An entire theory built on a logical fallacy.
Not a theory, not even a hypothesis, but a conjecture...at best.
And a self-contradictory conjecture at that.
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Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:49:09 -0000, "Ian H Spedding"
<harry@spedding53.fsnet.co.uk> said in alt.atheism:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:351fvkF4bti86U1@individual.net...
TV's The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
What is intelligent design? Are our kids being taught to think? Do
schools want to give a good education?
The York Daily Record definition says, "ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being."
An entire theory built on a logical fallacy.
Not a theory, not even a hypothesis, but a conjecture...at best.
You give it too much credit; bald assertion.
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"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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17 Jan 2005 03:52:57 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, "Ian H Spedding" <harry@spedding53.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:351fvkF4bti86U1@individual.net...
TV's The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
What is intelligent design? Are our kids being taught to think? Do
schools want to give a good education?
The York Daily Record definition says, "ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being."
An entire theory built on a logical fallacy.
Not a theory, not even a hypothesis, but a conjecture...at best.
"Conjecture" would suggest that the people pushing it actually thought
it might be true.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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18 Jan 2005 02:55:20 AM |
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The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
What is intelligent design? Are our kids being taught to think? Do
schools want to give a good education?
The York Daily Record definition says, "ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being."
Educated experts from http://www.discovery.org say ID is, "The
scientific theory of intelligent design holds that certain
features of the universe and of living things are best explained
by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural
selection. Note: Intelligent design theory does not claim that
science can determine the identity of the intelligent cause. Nor
does it claim that the intelligent cause must be a 'divine being'
or a 'higher power' or an 'all-powerful force.' All it
proposes is
that science can identify whether certain features of the natural
world are the products of intelligence."
An article titled "Students should learn to assess competing
theories," by Steve Meyer, Ph.D., and John Campbell, professor at
the University of Memphis, says, "A good education presents
students with competing perspectives held by credible experts, and
offers them the skills to judge these views themselves." And
"teachers should describe differing views to students and explain
the arguments for and against these views as made by their chief
proponents. We call this "teaching the controversy." This makes
perfect sense to me; that is if we want to teach the kids to
think.
In the same article, they refuted the theory of evolution, saying,
"More than 330 scientists, including professors from institutions
such as M.I.T, Yale and Rice universities, along with the
Smithsonian Institution, have signed a statement authored by the
Discovery Institute in Seattle that questions the creative power
of the selection/mutation mechanism."
The article also said, "Teachers should also be free to tell their
students about alternative new theories such as Behe's design
theory, provided these theories are based (as Behe's is) upon
scientific evidence, not biblical passages." Behe is a professor
of biochemistry at Lehigh University,
http://www.arn.org/behe/behehome.htm. Behe is also the author of
"Darwin's Black Box."
Meyer and Campbell went on to say, "There are many reasons to
adopt this 'teach the controversy approach. First, constitutional
law permits it. In Edwards v. Aguillard, the U.S. Supreme Court
ruled that state legislatures (and by extension state boards)
already have the right to mandate teaching scientific critiques of
prevailing theories. Interestingly, the court also determined that
teachers have the right to teach students about 'a variety of
scientific theories about origins . . . with the clear secular
intent of enhancing science education.'
"Second, federal education policy calls for it. The authoritative
report accompanying the No Child Left Behind Act states that
"where topics are taught that may generate controversy (such as
biological evolution), the curriculum should help students to
understand the full range of views that exist."
"Third, polls show that more than 70 percent of the electorate
(both in California and nationally) favor teaching both the
evidence for and against Darwin's theory of evolution."
After reading that, I was very impressed with the Dover school
board's decision, and I had to ask myself:
1. Why are the 11 protesters and lawyers trying to derail a good
education?
2. Why don't the minority (11 parents, plus a few lawyers) want to
seek the truth?
3. If 70 percent of America is in favor of teaching both theories,
why is this such a big deal? What are they afraid of? Isn't this a
democracy?
Charles Darwin wrote, "A fair result can be obtained only by fully
stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of
each question."
In summary, 330 scientists and professors do not support
evolution. Perhaps the York College instructors are superior to
these scholars. I seriously doubt it. As far as teaching ID,
constitutional law permits it, federal education policy calls for
it, and polls show that 70 percent of U.S. citizens favor teaching
the opposing views of evolution. In York County, we have 11 people
opposing the teaching of ID; of the 11, only one of them has a
child who will be in a ninth-grade Dover biology class this year.
Talk about extreme minority.
From a scientific standpoint, it is more obvious to me than ever
that "the theory of ID is a far superior theory" and it should be
taught in the biology classroom, in public schools. If we are
fortunate enough to have school vouchers implemented, which will
create competition and will improve our schools, I will be glad to
send my kids to a school that follows the "teach the controversy"
method.
Chuck Warner lives in York Township.
---
http://lastliberal.org
I believe that all bosses and employers should be able to fire a
homosexual for being gay. However, I also believe they should be able
to
fire people for the color of their skin. - Ken
If I were required to cover it as a teacher I could do it in one
sentence. "Creationists say the world was made by a super-natural being
because their religion says so". Then on to a couple of days on Darwin.
Not enough content to even bother asking a question on it in an exam.
What relevant point on the topic could a teacher make other than that?
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| User: "Fencingsax" |
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18 Jan 2005 11:17:00 PM |
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FreeThink wrote:
The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/op-ed/55596/
Teach the controversy about evolution
CHUCK WARNER
Sunday, January 16, 2005
What is intelligent design? Are our kids being taught to think? Do
schools want to give a good education?
The York Daily Record definition says, "ID holds that all living
organisms are so complex that they must have been created by an
unspecified divine being."
Educated experts from http://www.discovery.org say ID is, "The
scientific theory of intelligent design holds that certain
features of the universe and of living things are best explained
by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural
selection. Note: Intelligent design theory does not claim that
science can determine the identity of the intelligent cause. Nor
does it claim that the intelligent cause must be a 'divine being'
or a 'higher power' or an 'all-powerful force.' All it
proposes is
that science can identify whether certain features of the natural
world are the products of intelligence."
An article titled "Students should learn to assess competing
theories," by Steve Meyer, Ph.D., and John Campbell, professor at
the University of Memphis, says, "A good education presents
students with competing perspectives held by credible experts, and
offers them the skills to judge these views themselves." And
"teachers should describe differing views to students and explain
the arguments for and against these views as made by their chief
proponents. We call this "teaching the controversy." This makes
perfect sense to me; that is if we want to teach the kids to
think.
In the same article, they refuted the theory of evolution, saying,
"More than 330 scientists, including professors from institutions
such as M.I.T, Yale and Rice universities, along with the
Smithsonian Institution, have signed a statement authored by the
Discovery Institute in Seattle that questions the creative power
of the selection/mutation mechanism."
The article also said, "Teachers should also be free to tell their
students about alternative new theories such as Behe's design
theory, provided these theories are based (as Behe's is) upon
scientific evidence, not biblical passages." Behe is a professor
of biochemistry at Lehigh University,
http://www.arn.org/behe/behehome.htm. Behe is also the author of
"Darwin's Black Box."
Meyer and Campbell went on to say, "There are many reasons to
adopt this 'teach the controversy approach. First, constitutional
law permits it. In Edwards v. Aguillard, the U.S. Supreme Court
ruled that state legislatures (and by extension state boards)
already have the right to mandate teaching scientific critiques of
prevailing theories. Interestingly, the court also determined that
teachers have the right to teach students about 'a variety of
scientific theories about origins . . . with the clear secular
intent of enhancing science education.'
"Second, federal education policy calls for it. The authoritative
report accompanying the No Child Left Behind Act states that
"where topics are taught that may generate controversy (such as
biological evolution), the curriculum should help students to
understand the full range of views that exist."
"Third, polls show that more than 70 percent of the electorate
(both in California and nationally) favor teaching both the
evidence for and against Darwin's theory of evolution."
After reading that, I was very impressed with the Dover school
board's decision, and I had to ask myself:
1. Why are the 11 protesters and lawyers trying to derail a good
education?
2. Why don't the minority (11 parents, plus a few lawyers) want to
seek the truth?
3. If 70 percent of America is in favor of teaching both theories,
why is this such a big deal? What are they afraid of? Isn't this a
democracy?
Charles Darwin wrote, "A fair result can be obtained only by fully
stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of
each question."
In summary, 330 scientists and professors do not support
evolution. Perhaps the York College instructors are superior to
these scholars. I seriously doubt it. As far as teaching ID,
constitutional law permits it, federal education policy calls for
it, and polls show that 70 percent of U.S. citizens favor teaching
the opposing views of evolution. In York County, we have 11 people
opposing the teaching of ID; of the 11, only one of them has a
child who will be in a ninth-grade Dover biology class this year.
Talk about extreme minority.
From a scientific standpoint, it is more obvious to me than ever
that "the theory of ID is a far superior theory" and it should be
taught in the biology classroom, in public schools. If we are
fortunate enough to have school vouchers implemented, which will
create competition and will improve our schools, I will be glad to
send my kids to a school that follows the "teach the controversy"
method.
Chuck Warner lives in York Township.
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http://lastliberal.org
I believe that all bosses and employers should be able to fire a
homosexual for being gay. However, I also believe they should be
able
to
fire people for the color of their skin. - Ken
If I were required to cover it as a teacher I could do it in one
sentence. "Creationists say the world was made by a super-natural
being
because their religion says so". Then on to a couple of days on
Darwin.
Not enough content to even bother asking a question on it in an exam.
What relevant point on the topic could a teacher make other than
that?
I actually wouldn't mention it, unless some kid brought it up. And
then I'd drop it. If they kept bringing it up, then they're homework
for the week would be to present the scientific evidence for
creationism. If (s)he actually admitted to me that there was none, then
they'd get an A.
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Ignorant Savage Checks In |
18 Jan 2005 10:52:04 PM |
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On 17 Jan 2005 18:55:20 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
wrote:
If I were required to cover it as a teacher I could do it in one
sentence. "Creationists say the world was made by a super-natural being
because their religion says so". Then on to a couple of days on Darwin.
Not enough content to even bother asking a question on it in an exam.
What relevant point on the topic could a teacher make other than that?
That there is no basis in evidence for this theory, hence it does not
qualify as a scientific theory, so we will not be studying it.
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