I hate to say it guys. But I have gravely mistaken what I would find

I hate to say it guys. But I have gravely mistaken what I would find
in this group. I was expecting intelligent, open-minded people.
Instead I seem to have found the exact same kind of intolerance and
hatred that atheists normally complain about in religious people.

Okay.. since everyone seems to be critical of my decision of believing
in God for scientific reasons, I doubt any explanation will serve any
positive use here. I can already see with the close-mindedness I've
found here, that if God himself descended from Heaven into your
livingroom you wouldn't believe in him. Instead you'd come up with
some excuse to explain it away. But in case there is even one open
minded person here, I will give a few examples of why I believe in the
existence of God. I can already hear the critizism, but here it is:

Also, I would mention that some of these are just questions, that
remained unanswered. And as crazy as it sounds occum's razor applies
in the favor of a diety.

I hate to say it guys. But I have gravely mistaken what I would find
in this group. I was expecting intelligent, open-minded people.
Instead I seem to have found the exact same kind of intolerance and
hatred that atheists normally complain about in religious people.

Okay.. since everyone seems to be critical of my decision of believing
in God for scientific reasons, I doubt any explanation will serve any
positive use here. I can already see with the close-mindedness I've
found here, that if God himself descended from Heaven into your
livingroom you wouldn't believe in him. Instead you'd come up with
some excuse to explain it away. But in case there is even one open
minded person here, I will give a few examples of why I believe in the
existence of God. I can already hear the critizism, but here it is:

Also, I would mention that some of these are just questions, that
remained unanswered. And as crazy as it sounds occum's razor applies
in the favor of a diety.

1) The universe. Where did it come from? It seems to have had a
beginning (the big bang) and no evidence exists that it will ever
definatly have a "big crunch." So it seems illogical for something to
have a beginning without comming from something else.

2) Life. Yes, I believe (mostly) in evolution. However, I have NEVER
seen a convincing case of abiogenesis.

You can debate evolution until
you are blue in the face, but where did the first cell come from? I
have heard the standard Athiest answer 1,000 times. It usually
involves some kind of experiment done to create amino acids. Yet, I
found most athiests have accepted that on blind faith and haven't
looked into the details for themselves. WHen I look up these
experiments I find that they are usually failures or inconlusive.
Even if aliens seeded earth, where did the aliens come from? Add to
that, Scientists with all their great knowledge and laboratory
equipment still haven't been able to create a living cell in a lab
without using other living matter as a template. So if it can't even
be recreated, what makes anyone think it could have happened by
accident?

3) Evolution. Evolution is a great theory. I like it. But it lacks
evidence in certain areas.

For example, how often do I hear on the the
news about a "missing link." finally being discovered? Way too often.
Yet, it never appears to be the case. The one thing that is made clear
by the theory of evolution is that significant change requires millions
of years. So, if that is the case, why are there these sudden changes
(use humans as a good example) where we can't seem to find the direct
ancestors? And even if we DO find them, there should be millions of
them, not just one or two. This tells me that the change from the
ancient, primative hominids to Humans must have been quick. Far too
quick to be natural. Even so, we have features about us found in no
other animals on the planet (language, morals, etc..) and they are not
easily explained by evolution. When I look at Evolution I see a
drawing board where God was designing his creation. I'm not of the
church who believes God spoke everything into creation. I think it was
a long, tedious design process with many mistakes and discoveries along
the way. The eventual goal being to have design Human beings. I know
atheists won't see it this way. It is sort of like looking at an
antique painting. One person sees one thing, another person looks at
the same painting and sees something else. But, this is what i see.

4) Particles and rules: Everything in the universe obeys a set of
rules. We understand most of them. We can look at a molecule of water
and see how it behaves. We know at what temperature it boils, and when
it freezes. We know what it ways and its properties in chemistry. We
understand why it does what it does because we know that it is made of
2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen. We can go one step down and look at the

oxygen atom. We know what it does. We know its atomic weight, we know
how many electrons are orbiting the nucleus, etc. We understand (to a
degree) the 4 forces involved. So we can also define its behavior. We
can drop down one more level. We have subatomic particles, we know how
they behave.. Then fermions. Now we're down to the bottom.. Or are we?
Some people speculate the fermions are composed of strings. Where do
you hit the bottom? Well, wherever the bottom is.. What defines the
behavior of those particles and forces? The way I see it, our Universe
has certain forces and definitions that have no explanation. They are
just there. But how did they get defined? If any of those forces
weren't exactly the way they are, our universe wouldn't work like it
does now to support life.

Guys.. I could go on with more, but I'm sure the stubborn hard-headed
people will already be flaming me on these.

I hate to say it guys. But I have gravely mistaken what I would find
in this group. I was expecting intelligent, open-minded people.
Instead I seem to have found the exact same kind of intolerance and
hatred that atheists normally complain about in religious people.

Okay.. since everyone seems to be critical of my decision of believing
in God for scientific reasons, I doubt any explanation will serve any
positive use here. I can already see with the close-mindedness I've
found here, that if God himself descended from Heaven into your
livingroom you wouldn't believe in him.

Instead you'd come up with
some excuse to explain it away. But in case there is even one open
minded person here, I will give a few examples of why I believe in the
existence of God. I can already hear the critizism, but here it is:

Also, I would mention that some of these are just questions, that
remained unanswered. And as crazy as it sounds occum's razor applies
in the favor of a diety.

1) The universe. Where did it come from? It seems to have had a
beginning (the big bang) and no evidence exists that it will ever
definatly have a "big crunch." So it seems illogical for something to
have a beginning without comming from something else.

2) Life. Yes, I believe (mostly) in evolution. However, I have NEVER
seen a convincing case of abiogenesis. You can debate evolution until
you are blue in the face, but where did the first cell come from? I
have heard the standard Athiest answer 1,000 times. It usually
involves some kind of experiment done to create amino acids. Yet, I
found most athiests have accepted that on blind faith and haven't
looked into the details for themselves. WHen I look up these
experiments I find that they are usually failures or inconlusive.
Even if aliens seeded earth, where did the aliens come from? Add to
that, Scientists with all their great knowledge and laboratory
equipment still haven't been able to create a living cell in a lab
without using other living matter as a template. So if it can't even
be recreated, what makes anyone think it could have happened by
accident?

3) Evolution. Evolution is a great theory. I like it. But it lacks
evidence in certain areas. For example, how often do I hear on the the
news about a "missing link." finally being discovered? Way too often.
Yet, it never appears to be the case. The one thing that is made clear
by the theory of evolution is that significant change requires millions
of years. So, if that is the case, why are there these sudden changes
(use humans as a good example) where we can't seem to find the direct
ancestors? And even if we DO find them, there should be millions of
them, not just one or two. This tells me that the change from the
ancient, primative hominids to Humans must have been quick. Far too
quick to be natural. Even so, we have features about us found in no
other animals on the planet (language, morals, etc..) and they are not
easily explained by evolution. When I look at Evolution I see a
drawing board where God was designing his creation. I'm not of the
church who believes God spoke everything into creation. I think it was
a long, tedious design process with many mistakes and discoveries along
the way. The eventual goal being to have design Human beings. I know
atheists won't see it this way. It is sort of like looking at an
antique painting. One person sees one thing, another person looks at
the same painting and sees something else. But, this is what i see.

4) Particles and rules: Everything in the universe obeys a set of
rules. We understand most of them. We can look at a molecule of water
and see how it behaves. We know at what temperature it boils, and when
it freezes. We know what it ways and its properties in chemistry. We
understand why it does what it does because we know that it is made of
2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen. We can go one step down and look at the
oxygen atom. We know what it does. We know its atomic weight, we know
how many electrons are orbiting the nucleus, etc. We understand (to a
degree) the 4 forces involved. So we can also define its behavior. We
can drop down one more level. We have subatomic particles, we know how
they behave.. Then fermions. Now we're down to the bottom.. Or are we?
Some people speculate the fermions are composed of strings. Where do
you hit the bottom? Well, wherever the bottom is.. What defines the
behavior of those particles and forces? The way I see it, our Universe
has certain forces and definitions that have no explanation. They are
just there. But how did they get defined? If any of those forces
weren't exactly the way they are, our universe wouldn't work like it
does now to support life.

Guys.. I could go on with more, but I'm sure the stubborn hard-headed
people will already be flaming me on these. I'll give one more tidbit
of reasoning.. This has to do with why I decided Christianity is the
most logical choice (over judaism, islam, etc.)

The new testament was written by several different people at different
times. THe books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were all written
decades after the events mentioned, by 4 seperate people, in different
areas. All 4 books essentially tell the same story. There are some
bits that conflict with each other (which confirms to me, as odd as it
sounds, that the books are genuine because they were written from each
person's memory) If it was just one book, you could argue that it was
one person's fantasy. But the 4 books helps me to see that is most
likely happened. He also modernized what we, as Christians, believe,
by abolishing all of the old barbaric rituals of the old testament,
dumb things like the sabboth day, and his teachings are masterful.
When I read about Jesus I see teachings that were totally to the
contrary of other, more barbaric religions. Most historians believe
Jesus existed and was executed by Pontius Pilate, even if they don't
believe he was supernatural. So it is left up to you and me to decide
if the story sounds plausable or not. Obviously, many people
(including, I imagine 100% of the reading audience here) will choose
not to believe.

I don't see miracles as magic tricks, or even supernatural. I believe
the universe has more than 3 geometric dimensions (plus a 4th for time)
And God most likely is a multi-dimensional being. He can look into our
bodies and see all parts simultaneously and even touch them without
cutting us open, in the same way you could do this to a 2-dimensional
creature (if one existed) So any interference God does to the universe
isn't through supernatural means, rather it is all logical and
scientific. Just a little beyond the scope of our 3 dimensional
imagination.

I hate to say it guys. But I have gravely mistaken what I would find
in this group. I was expecting intelligent, open-minded people.
Instead I seem to have found the exact same kind of intolerance and
hatred that atheists normally complain about in religious people.

Okay.. since everyone seems to be critical of my decision of believing
in God for scientific reasons, I doubt any explanation will serve any
positive use here. I can already see with the close-mindedness I've
found here, that if God himself descended from Heaven into your
livingroom you wouldn't believe in him. Instead you'd come up with
some excuse to explain it away. But in case there is even one open
minded person here, I will give a few examples of why I believe in the
existence of God. I can already hear the critizism, but here it is:

Also, I would mention that some of these are just questions, that
remained unanswered. And as crazy as it sounds occum's razor applies
in the favor of a diety.

1) The universe. Where did it come from? It seems to have had a
beginning (the big bang) and no evidence exists that it will ever
definatly have a "big crunch." So it seems illogical for something to
have a beginning without comming from something else.

2) Life. Yes, I believe (mostly) in evolution. However, I have NEVER
seen a convincing case of abiogenesis. You can debate evolution until
you are blue in the face, but where did the first cell come from? I
have heard the standard Athiest answer 1,000 times. It usually
involves some kind of experiment done to create amino acids. Yet, I
found most athiests have accepted that on blind faith and haven't
looked into the details for themselves. WHen I look up these
experiments I find that they are usually failures or inconlusive.
Even if aliens seeded earth, where did the aliens come from? Add to
that, Scientists with all their great knowledge and laboratory
equipment still haven't been able to create a living cell in a lab
without using other living matter as a template. So if it can't even
be recreated, what makes anyone think it could have happened by
accident?

3) Evolution. Evolution is a great theory. I like it. But it lacks
evidence in certain areas. For example, how often do I hear on the the
news about a "missing link." finally being discovered? Way too often.
Yet, it never appears to be the case. The one thing that is made clear
by the theory of evolution is that significant change requires millions
of years. So, if that is the case, why are there these sudden changes
(use humans as a good example) where we can't seem to find the direct
ancestors? And even if we DO find them, there should be millions of
them, not just one or two. This tells me that the change from the
ancient, primative hominids to Humans must have been quick. Far too
quick to be natural. Even so, we have features about us found in no
other animals on the planet (language, morals, etc..) and they are not
easily explained by evolution. When I look at Evolution I see a
drawing board where God was designing his creation. I'm not of the
church who believes God spoke everything into creation. I think it was
a long, tedious design process with many mistakes and discoveries along
the way. The eventual goal being to have design Human beings. I know
atheists won't see it this way. It is sort of like looking at an
antique painting. One person sees one thing, another person looks at
the same painting and sees something else. But, this is what i see.

4) Particles and rules: Everything in the universe obeys a set of
rules. We understand most of them. We can look at a molecule of water
and see how it behaves. We know at what temperature it boils, and when
it freezes. We know what it ways and its properties in chemistry. We
understand why it does what it does because we know that it is made of
2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen. We can go one step down and look at the
oxygen atom. We know what it does. We know its atomic weight, we know
how many electrons are orbiting the nucleus, etc. We understand (to a
degree) the 4 forces involved. So we can also define its behavior. We
can drop down one more level. We have subatomic particles, we know how
they behave.. Then fermions. Now we're down to the bottom.. Or are we?
Some people speculate the fermions are composed of strings. Where do
you hit the bottom? Well, wherever the bottom is.. What defines the
behavior of those particles and forces? The way I see it, our Universe
has certain forces and definitions that have no explanation. They are
just there. But how did they get defined? If any of those forces
weren't exactly the way they are, our universe wouldn't work like it
does now to support life.

Guys.. I could go on with more, but I'm sure the stubborn hard-headed
people will already be flaming me on these. I'll give one more tidbit
of reasoning.. This has to do with why I decided Christianity is the
most logical choice (over judaism, islam, etc.)

The new testament was written by several different people at different
times. THe books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were all written
decades after the events mentioned, by 4 seperate people, in different
areas. All 4 books essentially tell the same story. There are some
bits that conflict with each other (which confirms to me, as odd as it
sounds, that the books are genuine because they were written from each
person's memory) If it was just one book, you could argue that it was
one person's fantasy. But the 4 books helps me to see that is most
likely happened. He also modernized what we, as Christians, believe,
by abolishing all of the old barbaric rituals of the old testament,
dumb things like the sabboth day, and his teachings are masterful.
When I read about Jesus I see teachings that were totally to the
contrary of other, more barbaric religions. Most historians believe
Jesus existed and was executed by Pontius Pilate, even if they don't
believe he was supernatural. So it is left up to you and me to decide
if the story sounds plausable or not. Obviously, many people
(including, I imagine 100% of the reading audience here) will choose
not to believe.

I don't see miracles as magic tricks, or even supernatural. I believe
the universe has more than 3 geometric dimensions (plus a 4th for time)
And God most likely is a multi-dimensional being. He can look into our
bodies and see all parts simultaneously and even touch them without
cutting us open, in the same way you could do this to a 2-dimensional
creature (if one existed) So any interference God does to the universe
isn't through supernatural means, rather it is all logical and
scientific. Just a little beyond the scope of our 3 dimensional
imagination.

I hate to say it guys. But I have gravely mistaken what I would find
in this group. I was expecting intelligent, open-minded people.
Instead I seem to have found the exact same kind of intolerance and
hatred that atheists normally complain about in religious people.

Okay.. since everyone seems to be critical of my decision of believing
in God for scientific reasons, I doubt any explanation will serve any
positive use here.

I can already see with the close-mindedness I've
found here, that if God himself descended from Heaven into your
livingroom you wouldn't believe in him.

Instead you'd come up with
some excuse to explain it away.

But in case there is even one open
minded person here, I will give a few examples of why I believe in the
existence of God. I can already hear the critizism, but here it is:

Also, I would mention that some of these are just questions, that
remained unanswered. And as crazy as it sounds occum's razor applies
in the favor of a diety.

1) The universe. Where did it come from? It seems to have had a
beginning (the big bang) and no evidence exists that it will ever
definatly have a "big crunch." So it seems illogical for something to
have a beginning without comming from something else.

2) Life. Yes, I believe (mostly) in evolution. However, I have NEVER
seen a convincing case of abiogenesis. You can debate evolution until
you are blue in the face, but where did the first cell come from?

I have heard the standard Athiest answer 1,000 times. It usually
involves some kind of experiment done to create amino acids.

Yet, I found most athiests have accepted that on blind faith and haven't
looked into the details for themselves.

WHen I look up these
experiments I find that they are usually failures or inconlusive.

Even if aliens seeded earth, where did the aliens come from? Add to
that, Scientists with all their great knowledge and laboratory
equipment still haven't been able to create a living cell in a lab
without using other living matter as a template.

So if it can't even be recreated, what makes anyone think it could have happened by
accident?

3) Evolution. Evolution is a great theory. I like it. But it lacks
evidence in certain areas. For example, how often do I hear on the the
news about a "missing link." finally being discovered? Way too often.
Yet, it never appears to be the case.

The one thing that is made clear
by the theory of evolution is that significant change requires millions
of years. So, if that is the case, why are there these sudden changes
(use humans as a good example) where we can't seem to find the direct
ancestors?

And even if we DO find them, there should be millions of
them, not just one or two. This tells me that the change from the
ancient, primative hominids to Humans must have been quick.

Far too
quick to be natural. Even so, we have features about us found in no
other animals on the planet (language, morals, etc..) and they are not
easily explained by evolution.

When I look at Evolution I see a
drawing board where God was designing his creation. I'm not of the
church who believes God spoke everything into creation. I think it was
a long, tedious design process with many mistakes and discoveries along
the way.

The eventual goal being to have design Human beings. I know
atheists won't see it this way.

It is sort of like looking at an
antique painting. One person sees one thing, another person looks at
the same painting and sees something else. But, this is what i see.

4) Particles and rules: Everything in the universe obeys a set of
rules. We understand most of them. We can look at a molecule of water
and see how it behaves. We know at what temperature it boils, and when
it freezes. We know what it ways and its properties in chemistry. We
understand why it does what it does because we know that it is made of
2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen. We can go one step down and look at the
oxygen atom. We know what it does. We know its atomic weight, we know
how many electrons are orbiting the nucleus, etc. We understand (to a
degree) the 4 forces involved. So we can also define its behavior. We
can drop down one more level. We have subatomic particles, we know how
they behave.. Then fermions. Now we're down to the bottom.. Or are we?
Some people speculate the fermions are composed of strings. Where do
you hit the bottom? Well, wherever the bottom is.. What defines the
behavior of those particles and forces? The way I see it, our Universe
has certain forces and definitions that have no explanation. They are
just there. But how did they get defined? If any of those forces
weren't exactly the way they are, our universe wouldn't work like it
does now to support life.

Guys.. I could go on with more, but I'm sure the stubborn hard-headed
people will already be flaming me on these.

I'll give one more tidbit
of reasoning.. This has to do with why I decided Christianity is the
most logical choice (over judaism, islam, etc.)

The new testament was written by several different people at different
times. THe books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were all written
decades after the events mentioned, by 4 seperate people, in different
areas. All 4 books essentially tell the same story.

There are some
bits that conflict with each other (which confirms to me, as odd as it
sounds, that the books are genuine because they were written from each
person's memory) If it was just one book, you could argue that it was
one person's fantasy. But the 4 books helps me to see that is most
likely happened.

He also modernized what we, as Christians, believe,
by abolishing all of the old barbaric rituals of the old testament,
dumb things like the sabboth day, and his teachings are masterful.

When I read about Jesus I see teachings that were totally to the
contrary of other, more barbaric religions.

Most historians believe
Jesus existed and was executed by Pontius Pilate, even if they don't
believe he was supernatural.

So it is left up to you and me to decide
if the story sounds plausable or not. Obviously, many people
(including, I imagine 100% of the reading audience here) will choose
not to believe.

I don't see miracles as magic tricks, or even supernatural. I believe
the universe has more than 3 geometric dimensions (plus a 4th for time)
And God most likely is a multi-dimensional being. He can look into our
bodies and see all parts simultaneously and even touch them without
cutting us open, in the same way you could do this to a 2-dimensional
creature (if one existed)

So any interference God does to the universe
isn't through supernatural means, rather it is all logical and
scientific. Just a little beyond the scope of our 3 dimensional
imagination.