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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Nerd Gerl"
Date: 26 Feb 2004 01:14:48 AM
Object: I'm Only Talking To John Popelin From Now On
John Popelish wrote in message <403D967E.5F3012AC@rica.net>...

How do you explain that you do not believe in things that many other
people believe without an obvious good reason?


Wait - are you asking me "how" to do it?


I admit that I am making an assumption that there are things that
other people believe with great certainty that you do not believe,
even though you have heard about them and their beliefs. If this
assumption is correct, how do you explain you lack of those beliefs?

Oh - like with anything? I'll try to think of one.... Ok, I have a hard time
believing... people can levitate! I have a hard time believing that because
of physics, and I've never personally seen a human levitate.

Does admitting that
other people believe them give them some inherent existence that you
are denying?


Can you rephrase that please? Who is "other people," "them," "you" etc.?


Okay, lets take a specific example. I assume that you have heard of
Hindus and some of the many gods they believe to be real. I'll pick
Shiva as an example. If you do not believe in the reality of the god,
Shiva, does the fact that other people believe in its reality give it
any substance that requires you to deny its existence even though it
is real, or do you just dismiss Shiva as someone else's superstitious
belief? In other words, are you atheist with respect to Shiva?

Let's go back to the levitators. If many people do believe in levitators,
then I, as Curious George, have a responsiblity to find this answer myself.
But I have not done any research or actively gone out of my way to levitate,
or find a levitator. So I leave the levitation as a "possibility" until I
get off my butt and do some work.

Your earlier statement about atheists seemed to be saying that
atheists are denying God, and therefore are admitting that it exists,
in order to deny it.

No, not TO deny it. They just deny it. I want to know why since they know it
exists. That makes no sense. That's like denying Janet's boob.

I am just trying to get you to answer the same question about Shiva,
for example (assuming you do not believe shiva is anything but
imaginary) to help you get inside the mindset of atheists.

Sorry for making assumptions, but I thought it might move the
conversation along a bit faster.

That's ok.

--
John Popelish

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User: "John Popelish"

Title: Re: I'm Only Talking To John Popelin From Now On 26 Feb 2004 01:34:57 AM
Nerd Gerl wrote:


John Popelish wrote in message <403D967E.5F3012AC@rica.net>...

(snip)

Your earlier statement about atheists seemed to be saying that
atheists are denying God, and therefore are admitting that it exists,
in order to deny it.


No, not TO deny it. They just deny it. I want to know why since they know it
exists. That makes no sense. That's like denying Janet's boob.

Except that we got to actually see that.
I have never seen any god. I know lots of people believe in all sorts
of gods, but none of their stories about these gods make sense to me.
So I don't believe that any god I have ever heard of is anything
except something other people imagine.

And I am fine with people strongly believing things that I don't
believe as long as they don't get upset with my not believing. I
don't go door to door to try talk them out of their beliefs. But when
they come to my door and try to make me believe, I enjoy discussing
how our minds are different in the area of belief. And sometimes I
try to teach them something about science.
(change of subject)
After seeing some of your art on your web page, I am guessing that you
began reading my posts on cross posts to alt.religion.angels. Though
I am not particularly interested in your subject matter, I found other
things to enjoy in your images.
--
John Popelish
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