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"Budikka666" |
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28 Apr 2006 10:00:44 PM |
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Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/immune_system_e.html#more
I'm sure those creationists and idiot designers who disagree will
provide actual science to refute evolution instead of their usual sour
grapes, straw men, moving goalposts and chants of "no it isn't" and
kindergarten 'rationale".
Budikka
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
29 Apr 2006 01:43:51 AM |
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In article <1146279644.122054.98410@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/immune_system_e.html#more
I'm sure those creationists and idiot designers who disagree will
provide actual science to refute evolution instead of their usual sour
grapes, straw men, moving goalposts and chants of "no it isn't" and
kindergarten 'rationale".
I wouldn't bet on it. They will mine the article for anything that
looks even the slightest bit uncertain because they don't understand and
say "See! Irreducible complexity!' or some such. When they think that
they have found a tiny little crack, they will try to squeeze their tiny
little god into it.
Budikka
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
02 May 2006 04:59:39 PM |
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In article <jhachmann-53D220.23435128042006@news.giganews.com> johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> writes:
In article <1146279644.122054.98410@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/immune_system_e.html#more
I'm sure those creationists and idiot designers who disagree will
provide actual science to refute evolution instead of their usual sour
grapes, straw men, moving goalposts and chants of "no it isn't" and
kindergarten 'rationale".
I wouldn't bet on it. They will mine the article for anything that
looks even the slightest bit uncertain because they don't understand and
say "See! Irreducible complexity!' or some such. When they think that
they have found a tiny little crack, they will try to squeeze their tiny
little god into it.
I just stumbled onto this thread, so I must ask: has anyone
commented on the fact that the immune system -- totally
apart from the way it might have arisen -- the immune
system daily demonstrates the power of the ALOGRITHM of
evolution?
"Evolution" is a much wider concept than its most
common application, the origin of species. To
have some system spontaneously evolve, you need:
1) some random generator of elements.
2) some method of selection among the resulting
random elements.
3) some method of amplifying the survivors of
step 2, after which you rinse and repeat.
In the evolution of species:
1) the random generator is in the genetics,
mutation and recombination.
2) the selection method is simply natural
selection (possibly among others)
3) the amplification of the survivors of
course comes when those still standing
reproduce. Back to step (1)
Truly the immune system IS amazing. The cell-mediated arm
can turn out a "vaccine" against a completely novel
pathogen, never before seen, and it can do it in a matter
of days. No biochemist on earth could do anything like it.
And it does this PRECISELY according to the evolutionary
algorithm.
1) random generation: antibody-bearing lymphocites
are generated by a gene-shuffling mechanism.
The immune system is not "trying" to find
a fit to an antigen, it's simply trying everything
at random.
2) selection: the resulting suite of random antibodies is selected
by several mechanisms. Ones which will bind to
the body's own proteins are killed off, lest
they precipitate auto-immune disease. Lymphocites
with antibodies which don't seem prone to bind
much to anything die by attrition.
3) amplification: lymphocites bearing an antibody
which runs into a pathogen bearing an antigen
which "matches" are stimulated to reproduce
rapidly, producing bazillions of copies.
Our novel pathogen is now in deep *****. And this amazing production
of a molecule which can selectively zero in on an invader
which it has never seen has NO Intelligent Immuner running
the show. It is purely an example of the power of the evolutionary
algorithm in action -- not, in this case, the evolution of
species, but the evolution of monoclonal antibodies.
(apologia: the above is based on a book I read 15 or so years
ago "Defending the Body". Corrections to my memory, and
updates are welcome)
-- cary
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
29 Apr 2006 04:43:21 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <1146279644.122054.98410@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/immune_system_e.html#more
I'm sure those creationists and idiot designers who disagree will
provide actual science to refute evolution instead of their usual sour
grapes, straw men, moving goalposts and chants of "no it isn't" and
kindergarten 'rationale".
I wouldn't bet on it. They will mine the article for anything that
looks even the slightest bit uncertain because they don't understand and
say "See! Irreducible complexity!' or some such. When they think that
they have found a tiny little crack, they will try to squeeze their tiny
little god into it.
Budikka
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
'Irreducible' complexity is proof of non-design anyway. Irreducibility
reflects only upon the skills of the observer, and not the nature of
the object, and complexity belies purpose, and, by implication, design.
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| User: "¬Saba Gracile¬" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
29 Apr 2006 07:20:07 AM |
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"Pastor Kutchie" <user13@heathens.org.uk> skrev i melding
news:1146303801.387981.243440@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
johac wrote:
In article <1146279644.122054.98410@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/immune_system_e.html#more
I'm sure those creationists and idiot designers who disagree will
provide actual science to refute evolution instead of their usual sour
grapes, straw men, moving goalposts and chants of "no it isn't" and
kindergarten 'rationale".
I wouldn't bet on it. They will mine the article for anything that
looks even the slightest bit uncertain because they don't understand and
say "See! Irreducible complexity!' or some such. When they think that
they have found a tiny little crack, they will try to squeeze their tiny
little god into it.
Budikka
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
'Irreducible' complexity is proof of non-design anyway. Irreducibility
reflects only upon the skills of the observer, and not the nature of
the object, and complexity belies purpose, and, by implication, design.
Sure, anything complex is self-design, the more complex, the more it is no designer.
The immune system is the most intricately designed warefare system they tried to teach
it to us in pre-med class, but we couldn't understand half of it. Naturally the evolutionists
run to it saying-this is evolution! evolution makes everything possible ! the more complex
and thought out a system seems to be, the more it is evoluted. Sigh.
S
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
29 Apr 2006 07:31:59 AM |
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"Pastor Kutchie" <user13@heathens.org.uk> skrev i melding
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johac wrote:
In article <1146279644.122054.98410@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/immune_system_e.html#more
I'm sure those creationists and idiot designers who disagree will
provide actual science to refute evolution instead of their usual sour
grapes, straw men, moving goalposts and chants of "no it isn't" and
kindergarten 'rationale".
I wouldn't bet on it. They will mine the article for anything that
looks even the slightest bit uncertain because they don't understand and
say "See! Irreducible complexity!' or some such. When they think that
they have found a tiny little crack, they will try to squeeze their tiny
little god into it.
Budikka
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
'Irreducible' complexity is proof of non-design anyway. Irreducibility
reflects only upon the skills of the observer, and not the nature of
the object, and complexity belies purpose, and, by implication, design.
Sure, anything complex is self-design, the more complex, the more it is no
designer.
The immune system is the most intricately designed warefare system they
tried to teach
it to us in pre-med class, but we couldn't understand half of it.
Naturally the evolutionists
run to it saying-this is evolution! evolution makes everything possible !
the more complex
and thought out a system seems to be, the more it is evoluted. Sigh.
S
When it's so much easier not to bother and just scream GODDIDIT over and
over over. A lack of understand is evidence of our own limited knowledge,
not evidence of YOUR god.
Pretty sure evoluted isn't actually a word BTW
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| User: "¬Saba Gracile¬" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
29 Apr 2006 09:08:07 AM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> skrev i melding news:bJKdnSzMasddwc7ZRVny2g@bt.com...
"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message news:6PWdnbII4tqdx87Z4p2dnA@telenor.com...
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johac wrote:
In article <1146279644.122054.98410@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/immune_system_e.html#more
I'm sure those creationists and idiot designers who disagree will
provide actual science to refute evolution instead of their usual sour
grapes, straw men, moving goalposts and chants of "no it isn't" and
kindergarten 'rationale".
I wouldn't bet on it. They will mine the article for anything that
looks even the slightest bit uncertain because they don't understand and
say "See! Irreducible complexity!' or some such. When they think that
they have found a tiny little crack, they will try to squeeze their tiny
little god into it.
Budikka
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
'Irreducible' complexity is proof of non-design anyway. Irreducibility
reflects only upon the skills of the observer, and not the nature of
the object, and complexity belies purpose, and, by implication, design.
Sure, anything complex is self-design, the more complex, the more it is no designer.
The immune system is the most intricately designed warefare system they tried to teach
it to us in pre-med class, but we couldn't understand half of it. Naturally the evolutionists
run to it saying-this is evolution! evolution makes everything possible ! the more complex
and thought out a system seems to be, the more it is evoluted. Sigh.
S
When it's so much easier not to bother and just scream GODDIDIT over and over over. A lack of
understand is evidence of our own limited knowledge, not evidence of YOUR god.
I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see HIM in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and scientific mind) put into it.
Pretty sure evoluted isn't actually a word BTW
So? go cry a river.
Saba
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
29 Apr 2006 10:14:17 AM |
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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johac wrote:
In article <1146279644.122054.98410@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/immune_system_e.html#more
I'm sure those creationists and idiot designers who disagree will
provide actual science to refute evolution instead of their usual
sour
grapes, straw men, moving goalposts and chants of "no it isn't" and
kindergarten 'rationale".
I wouldn't bet on it. They will mine the article for anything that
looks even the slightest bit uncertain because they don't understand
and
say "See! Irreducible complexity!' or some such. When they think that
they have found a tiny little crack, they will try to squeeze their
tiny
little god into it.
Budikka
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
'Irreducible' complexity is proof of non-design anyway. Irreducibility
reflects only upon the skills of the observer, and not the nature of
the object, and complexity belies purpose, and, by implication, design.
Sure, anything complex is self-design, the more complex, the more it is
no designer.
The immune system is the most intricately designed warefare system they
tried to teach
it to us in pre-med class, but we couldn't understand half of it.
Naturally the evolutionists
run to it saying-this is evolution! evolution makes everything possible
! the more complex
and thought out a system seems to be, the more it is evoluted. Sigh.
S
When it's so much easier not to bother and just scream GODDIDIT over and
over over. A lack of understand is evidence of our own limited
knowledge, not evidence of YOUR god.
I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see HIM in
the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and scientific
mind) put into it.
which equals GODDIDIT!
Pretty sure evoluted isn't actually a word BTW
So? go cry a river.
If you want people to understand what you're trying to say, it helps to use
words that actually exist.
Saba
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| User: "¬Saba Gracile¬" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
30 Apr 2006 04:32:49 AM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> skrev i melding news:sOmdnemm77BWH87ZRVny2Q@bt.com...
"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message news:q7OdnXsv7tHV7s7Z4p2dnA@telenor.com...
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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johac wrote:
In article <1146279644.122054.98410@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/immune_system_e.html#more
I'm sure those creationists and idiot designers who disagree will
provide actual science to refute evolution instead of their usual sour
grapes, straw men, moving goalposts and chants of "no it isn't" and
kindergarten 'rationale".
I wouldn't bet on it. They will mine the article for anything that
looks even the slightest bit uncertain because they don't understand and
say "See! Irreducible complexity!' or some such. When they think that
they have found a tiny little crack, they will try to squeeze their tiny
little god into it.
Budikka
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
'Irreducible' complexity is proof of non-design anyway. Irreducibility
reflects only upon the skills of the observer, and not the nature of
the object, and complexity belies purpose, and, by implication, design.
Sure, anything complex is self-design, the more complex, the more it is no designer.
The immune system is the most intricately designed warefare system they tried to teach
it to us in pre-med class, but we couldn't understand half of it. Naturally the evolutionists
run to it saying-this is evolution! evolution makes everything possible ! the more complex
and thought out a system seems to be, the more it is evoluted. Sigh.
S
When it's so much easier not to bother and just scream GODDIDIT over and over over. A lack of
understand is evidence of our own limited knowledge, not evidence of YOUR god.
I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see HIM in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and scientific mind) put into it.
which equals GODDIDIT!
And you believe EVOLUTIONDIDDIT
Pretty sure evoluted isn't actually a word BTW
So? go cry a river.
If you want people to understand what you're trying to say, it helps to use words that actually
exist.
It helps if you don't act dum. Or maybe you are..
S
Saba
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| User: "Wunderkind" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
30 Apr 2006 08:49:52 AM |
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¬Saba Gracile¬ wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> skrev i melding news:sOmdnemm77BWH87ZRVny2Q@bt.com...
"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message news:q7OdnXsv7tHV7s7Z4p2dnA@telenor.com...
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"Pastor Kutchie" <user13@heathens.org.uk> skrev i melding
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johac wrote:
In article <1146279644.122054.98410@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/immune_system_e.html#more
I'm sure those creationists and idiot designers who disagree will
provide actual science to refute evolution instead of their usual sour
grapes, straw men, moving goalposts and chants of "no it isn't" and
kindergarten 'rationale".
I wouldn't bet on it. They will mine the article for anything that
looks even the slightest bit uncertain because they don't understand and
say "See! Irreducible complexity!' or some such. When they think that
they have found a tiny little crack, they will try to squeeze their tiny
little god into it.
Budikka
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
'Irreducible' complexity is proof of non-design anyway. Irreducibility
reflects only upon the skills of the observer, and not the nature of
the object, and complexity belies purpose, and, by implication, design.
Sure, anything complex is self-design, the more complex, the more it is no designer.
The immune system is the most intricately designed warefare system they tried to teach
it to us in pre-med class, but we couldn't understand half of it. Naturally the evolutionists
run to it saying-this is evolution! evolution makes everything possible ! the more complex
and thought out a system seems to be, the more it is evoluted. Sigh.
S
When it's so much easier not to bother and just scream GODDIDIT over and over over. A lack of
understand is evidence of our own limited knowledge, not evidence of YOUR god.
I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see HIM in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and scientific mind) put into it.
which equals GODDIDIT!
And you believe EVOLUTIONDIDDIT
There's massive amounts of evidence for Evolution and *none* for "God."
WK
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| User: "Mindfucked" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
29 Apr 2006 11:15:44 AM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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Pretty sure evoluted isn't actually a word BTW
So? go cry a river.
If you want people to understand what you're trying to say, it helps to
use
words that actually exist.
Maybe they do- in Norway?
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| User: "Tim K." |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
29 Apr 2006 12:39:06 PM |
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see HIM in
the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and scientific
mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
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| User: "¬Saba Gracile¬" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
30 Apr 2006 04:33:49 AM |
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding news:_wN4g.4818$d_4.4473@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message news:q7OdnXsv7tHV7s7Z4p2dnA@telenor.com...
I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see HIM in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and scientific mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
S
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| User: "Tim K." |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
30 Apr 2006 07:30:04 AM |
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see HIM in
the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and scientific
mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
What made the mind?
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| User: "¬Saba Gracile¬" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
30 Apr 2006 08:03:31 AM |
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see HIM in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and scientific mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
What made the mind?
what made eternity?
S
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| User: "Tim K." |
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30 Apr 2006 08:52:04 AM |
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see HIM
in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and scientific
mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
What made the mind?
what made eternity?
Nice, answer a question with a question. How scientific.
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see
HIM
in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and
scientific
mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
What made the mind?
what made eternity?
Nice, answer a question with a question. How scientific.
Isn't that science? One question raises more questions....
Anyway... let me get this straight..... so, you don't believe that MAYBE the
MIGHT be an INTELLIGENCE greater than our own somewhere out there in the
vast of the universe? How very typical.
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| User: "Tim K." |
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30 Apr 2006 11:58:13 AM |
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"thisbediscream" <thisbediscream@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see
HIM
in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and
scientific
mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
What made the mind?
what made eternity?
Nice, answer a question with a question. How scientific.
Isn't that science? One question raises more questions....
Anyway... let me get this straight..... so, you don't believe that MAYBE
the
MIGHT be an INTELLIGENCE greater than our own somewhere out there in the
vast of the universe? How very typical.
That whooshing sound was my point flying over your head.
idiot
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| User: "thisbediscream" |
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02 May 2006 04:46:55 AM |
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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"thisbediscream" <thisbediscream@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see
HIM
in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and
scientific
mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on
it.
What made the mind?
what made eternity?
Nice, answer a question with a question. How scientific.
Isn't that science? One question raises more questions....
Anyway... let me get this straight..... so, you don't believe that MAYBE
the
MIGHT be an INTELLIGENCE greater than our own somewhere out there in the
vast of the universe? How very typical.
That whooshing sound was my point flying over your head.
idiot
Hmm... didn't answer my question, then resorted to name calling. How very
typical.
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| User: "Tim K." |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
02 May 2006 03:43:13 PM |
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"thisbediscream" <thisbediscream@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I
see
HIM
in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and
scientific
mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on
it.
What made the mind?
what made eternity?
Nice, answer a question with a question. How scientific.
Isn't that science? One question raises more questions....
Anyway... let me get this straight..... so, you don't believe that
MAYBE
the
MIGHT be an INTELLIGENCE greater than our own somewhere out there in
the
vast of the universe? How very typical.
That whooshing sound was my point flying over your head.
idiot
Hmm... didn't answer my question, then resorted to name calling. How very
typical.
OK, I'll spell it out for you - now try to follow along:
My statement had to do with an idiot answering a question with a question.
It had nothing to do with intelligence elsewhere in the universe.
READ FOR COMPREHENSION
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| User: "-.-" |
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02 May 2006 10:32:30 AM |
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Pecking at the keyboard with two fingers <thisbediscream> at
<thisbediscream@sbcglobal.net> turned out this gem:
"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Hmm... didn't answer my question, then resorted to name calling. How
very typical.
I can never understand why people resort to personal attacks when they don't
have a satisfactory reply. Even the most devout JWs on ARJ-W do it! Why
not just move on and ignore the questions?
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AR......
The JWs showed their true colors
here by posting people's personal information in hopes someone sicker than
there are "takes care of the problem" and silences the person. There is no
other reason to post personal information on Usenet.
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| User: "Mindfucked" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
02 May 2006 01:51:21 PM |
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"-.-" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Pecking at the keyboard with two fingers <thisbediscream> at
<thisbediscream@sbcglobal.net> turned out this gem:
"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Hmm... didn't answer my question, then resorted to name calling. How
very typical.
I can never understand why people resort to personal attacks when they
don't have a satisfactory reply. Even the most devout JWs on ARJ-W do it!
Why not just move on and ignore the questions?
A little self-reflection would no doubt furnish you with a solution to that
question - since you are generally one of the first to begin resorting to ad
hominem attacks in your eagerness to paint everything 'JW' as the spawn of
Satan.
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| User: "Tim K." |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
02 May 2006 03:44:42 PM |
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"-.-" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Pecking at the keyboard with two fingers <thisbediscream> at
<thisbediscream@sbcglobal.net> turned out this gem:
"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Hmm... didn't answer my question, then resorted to name calling. How
very typical.
I can never understand why people resort to personal attacks when they
don't have a satisfactory reply. Even the most devout JWs on ARJ-W do it!
Why not just move on and ignore the questions?
I can never understand why people read a post about "x" and ask a question
about "y", and then get all offended when they get called down for it.
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| User: "robpar" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
30 Apr 2006 04:09:45 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:59:37 GMT, "thisbediscream"
<thisbediscream@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see
HIM
in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and
scientific
mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
What made the mind?
what made eternity?
Nice, answer a question with a question. How scientific.
Isn't that science? One question raises more questions....
Anyway... let me get this straight..... so, you don't believe that MAYBE the
MIGHT be an INTELLIGENCE greater than our own somewhere out there in the
vast of the universe? How very typical.
There Might be a superior intelligence, probably is some where's.
So what, that doesn't mean that any of the god/s that man has dreamed
up exist. Nor is it likely that a superior intelligence desires
worship of inferiors. Especially a superior intelligence that selects
the least intelligent of the race, to tell other about that
intelligence, or that wants the other to support his messengers in
luxury.
Christians are the best argument against any god/s existing.
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| User: "Wunderkind" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
30 Apr 2006 05:31:32 PM |
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thisbediscream wrote:
"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see
HIM
in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and
scientific
mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
What made the mind?
what made eternity?
Nice, answer a question with a question. How scientific.
Isn't that science? One question raises more questions....
Anyway... let me get this straight..... so, you don't believe that MAYBE the
MIGHT be an INTELLIGENCE greater than our own somewhere out there in the
vast of the universe? How very typical.
There's no doubt that there *may* be an intelligence greater than ours
somewhere in vast reaches of the Universe, but none that meets the
characteristics of Earth religion's gods!
WK
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| User: "Emmanual Kann" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
30 Apr 2006 10:59:37 PM |
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An Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:31:32 +0000, Wunderkind hat geschreibt:
thisbediscream wrote:
"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see
HIM
in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and
scientific
mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
What made the mind?
what made eternity?
Nice, answer a question with a question. How scientific.
Isn't that science? One question raises more questions....
Anyway... let me get this straight..... so, you don't believe that MAYBE the
MIGHT be an INTELLIGENCE greater than our own somewhere out there in the
vast of the universe? How very typical.
There's no doubt that there *may* be an intelligence greater than ours
somewhere in vast reaches of the Universe, but none that meets the
characteristics of Earth religion's gods!
WK
The probability of intelligent life in the universe is certainly higher
than the probability of the existence of god.
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| User: "¬Saba Gracile¬" |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
01 May 2006 07:08:28 AM |
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"Emmanual Kann" <kann@keinspam.de> skrev i melding
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An Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:31:32 +0000, Wunderkind hat geschreibt:
thisbediscream wrote:
"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
news:q7OdnXsv7tHV7s7Z4p2dnA@telenor.com...
I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see
HIM
in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and
scientific
mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
What made the mind?
what made eternity?
Nice, answer a question with a question. How scientific.
Isn't that science? One question raises more questions....
Anyway... let me get this straight..... so, you don't believe that MAYBE the
MIGHT be an INTELLIGENCE greater than our own somewhere out there in the
vast of the universe? How very typical.
There's no doubt that there *may* be an intelligence greater than ours
somewhere in vast reaches of the Universe, but none that meets the
characteristics of Earth religion's gods!
WK
The probability of intelligent life in the universe is certainly higher
than the probability of the existence of god.
Right, like you know the nature of a God, or even just other modes of existance
that we can't grasp just because we're in a poor 3D state, and that there can be
other states of beings. Then it gets really interesting, and there's many quantephysicians
who think this is very possible, if not extremely likely.
Saba
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| User: "Tim K." |
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| Title: Re: Immune System Comfortably Demonstrates Evolution |
01 May 2006 08:00:21 AM |
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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quantephysicians
I wonder how many years of school they have to go through to become one of
those...
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| User: "robpar" |
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01 May 2006 12:05:17 PM |
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On Mon, 01 May 2006 13:00:21 GMT, "Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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quantephysicians
I wonder how many years of school they have to go through to become one of
those...
None it's just like being a intelligent designer scientist. Or a
young earth creationist anthropologist. Just start lying.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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30 Apr 2006 11:00:42 PM |
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=ACSaba Gracile=AC wrote:
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"=ACSaba Gracile=AC" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message news:q9mdnc=
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding news:_wN4g.4818$d_4.4473=
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"=ACSaba Gracile=AC" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message=20
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see HI=
M in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and scientif=
ic mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
What made the mind?
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what made eternity?
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What made the maker?
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* your own image when it turns out that God hates *
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| User: "Wunderkind" |
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30 Apr 2006 08:50:55 AM |
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¬Saba Gracile¬ wrote:
"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding news:g525g.3545$%x.1909@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message news:q9mdnc2D047gGcnZ4p2dnA@telenor.com...
"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> skrev i melding news:_wN4g.4818$d_4.4473@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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I scream no such thing, I say as Einstein was tapping into; I see HIM in the order and
harmony (and mindlowing, ballcracking high intelligence and scientific mind) put into it.
And that's different than goddidit how?
It isn't different we both saw that some mind must have worked on it.
What made the mind?
what made eternity?
"Eternity" is a human concept. It doesn't necessarily exist.
WK
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