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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "FreeThink"
Date: 25 Jan 2005 03:38:58 AM
Object: Implications of Robot Warriors
The US is sending them to Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4199935.stm
Why would they be a less ethical weapon then a tank or plane? I wonder
how long it will be before they kill some of their keepers? They will
almost certainly kill bystanders.
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User: "sanguinevikings"

Title: Re: Implications of Robot Warriors 25 Jan 2005 10:42:22 AM
FreeThink <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106624338.949249.120960@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

The US is sending them to Iraq:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4199935.stm

Why would they be a less ethical weapon then a tank or plane? I wonder
how long it will be before they kill some of their keepers? They will
almost certainly kill bystanders.

All the 'insurgents' need is mobile phones. They make great comms jammers,
especially if they cannot find a cell to talk to. They then put out a much
stronger signal in order to try and find one.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Implications of Robot Warriors 26 Jan 2005 04:16:40 AM
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:42:22 -0000, "sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not>
said in alt.atheism:

All the 'insurgents' need is mobile phones. They make great comms jammers,
especially if they cannot find a cell to talk to. They then put out a much
stronger signal in order to try and find one.

200mw at 900 (or 1800) Mhz is not anything difficult to design
against. Just because the average computer speaker has no shielding
....
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User: "FreeThink"

Title: Re: Implications of Robot Warriors 25 Jan 2005 10:53:35 AM
sanguinevikings wrote:

FreeThink <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106624338.949249.120960@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

The US is sending them to Iraq:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4199935.stm

Why would they be a less ethical weapon then a tank or plane? I

wonder

how long it will be before they kill some of their keepers? They

will

almost certainly kill bystanders.

All the 'insurgents' need is mobile phones. They make great comms

jammers,

especially if they cannot find a cell to talk to. They then put out a

much

stronger signal in order to try and find one.

The operators will not pay as much attention to a monitor as they would
if they were there in person. However, in situations where they could
be left to aquire their own targets that would be different. You could
use decoys and make them waste all of their ammunition.
.


User: "Uncle Buck"

Title: Re: Implications of Robot Warriors 29 Jan 2005 01:44:10 AM
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:38:58 -0800, FreeThink wrote:

The US is sending them to Iraq:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4199935.stm

Why would they be a less ethical weapon then a tank or plane? I wonder
how long it will be before they kill some of their keepers? They will
almost certainly kill bystanders.

A weapon can't be any more ethical than the war in which it is used. IOW,
regardless of other issues, their use in an unethical war renders them
unethical weapons, and vice versa. How you view the ethicalness of this
current "ongoing hostilities" situation goes a long way towards
determining how ethical you see this weapon as being.
That issue aside, the term "robotic warrior" carries a connotation of
personhood or of a social intelligence of some sort. This critter has
no intelligence. At least not above and beyond the person working the
remote control. They're just about as much "warrior" as a remoted
controlled toy car.
One could also say it's a coward's weapon, but then one could also
say this is a coward's war.
.
User: "FreeThink"

Title: Re: Implications of Robot Warriors 29 Jan 2005 02:44:29 AM
Uncle Buck wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:38:58 -0800, FreeThink wrote:

The US is sending them to Iraq:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4199935.stm

Why would they be a less ethical weapon then a tank or plane? I

wonder

how long it will be before they kill some of their keepers? They

will

almost certainly kill bystanders.


A weapon can't be any more ethical than the war in which it is used.

IOW,

regardless of other issues, their use in an unethical war renders

them

unethical weapons, and vice versa. How you view the ethicalness of

this

current "ongoing hostilities" situation goes a long way towards
determining how ethical you see this weapon as being.

That issue aside, the term "robotic warrior" carries a connotation of
personhood or of a social intelligence of some sort. This critter

has

no intelligence. At least not above and beyond the person working

the

remote control. They're just about as much "warrior" as a remoted
controlled toy car.

I don't think that is entirely true. I think they can target on their
own. Even aquire targets when given the green light.


One could also say it's a coward's weapon, but then one could also
say this is a coward's war.

I can't differentiate types of war's too well. Only the politicians
that start them.
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