Religions > Atheism > In East Germany And Czech Republic, Communist Atheism Succeeded
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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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In East Germany And Czech Republic, Communist Atheism Succeeded |
http://www.stonescryout.org/archives/2005/03/the_decline_of.html
March 07, 2005
The Decline of Atheism
Atheism is in decline, UPI Religious Affairs Editor Uwe Semon-Netto
reported last week.
This is not a brilliant piece of research, as Joshua at ITA points out,
but a report of the opinions of various social and religious observers.
Interesting viewpoints, however, particularly about Europe's move away
from godlessness. We haven't heard anyone citing those kinds of trends
in Europe.
The article says:
"Two developments are plaguing atheism these days. One is that it
appears to be losing its scientific underpinnings. The other is the
historical experience of hundreds of millions of people worldwide that
atheists are in no position to claim the moral high ground."
Interesting thoughts:
Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg: "Atheism as a theoretical
position is in decline worldwide."
Oxford's Alister McGrath: [Atheism's] "future seems increasingly to
lie in the private beliefs of individuals rather than in the great
public domain it once regarded as its habitat."
Turkish philosopher Harun Yahya: "Atheism, which people have tried to
for hundreds of years as 'the ways of reason and science,' is proving
to be mere irrationality and ignorance."
John Updike: "Among the repulsions of atheism for me has been
is drastic uninterestingness as an intellectual position," appears to
become common currency throughout much of the West.
Semon-Netto writes:
"A few years ago, European scientists sniggered when studies in the
United States -- for example, at Harvard and Duke universities --
showed a correlation between faith, prayer and recovery from illness.
Now 1,200 studies at research centers around the world have come to
similar conclusions, according to "Psychologie Heute," a German
journal, citing, for example, the marked improvement of multiple
sclerosis patients in Germany's Ruhr District do to "spiritual
resources."
The Challenge for Christianity
The Rev. Paul M. Zulehner, dean of Vienna University's divinity school:
"True atheists in Europe have become an infinitesimally small group.
There are not enough of them to be used for sociological research."
The only exceptions to this rule, Zulehner said, are the former East
Germany and the Czech Republic, where, as the saying goes,
de-Christianization has been the only proven success of these regions'
former communist rulers."
Zulehner cautions, however, that in the rest of Europe
re-Christianization is by no means occurring. For although in every
major European city except Paris spirituality is booming, according to
Zulehner, this only proves the emergence of a diffuse belief system,
Pannenberg said, but not the revitalization of traditional Christian
religious faith.
Zulehner, a Catholic, sees Christianity's greatest opportunity when its
message addresses two seemingly irreconcilable quests of contemporary
humanity - the quest for freedom and truth. "Christianity alone affirms
that truth and God's dependability are inseparable properties to which
freedom is linked."
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| User: "James A. Doemer" |
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06 Apr 2006 05:49:18 PM |
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In News 1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,, Sound of
Trumpet at soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com, typed this:
http://www.stonescryout.org/archives/2005/03/the_decline_of.html
March 07, 2005
The Decline of Atheism
Atheism is in decline, UPI Religious Affairs Editor Uwe Semon-Netto
reported last week.
This is not a brilliant piece of research, as Joshua at ITA points
out, but a report of the opinions of various social and religious
observers.
Tell me, were there any Atheist observers? From where I sit, with the
scheduled 10 Catholic and 7 Protestant Chruches slated to close in my area
within the next year or so, it appears that religion is in decline. Care
to comment?
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: In East Germany And Czech Republic, Communist Atheism Succeeded |
06 Apr 2006 07:24:44 PM |
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"James A. Doemer" <ckdbigtoeNOSPAM@earthlink.net> writes:
In News 1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,, Sound of
Trumpet at soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com, typed this:
http://www.stonescryout.org/archives/2005/03/the_decline_of.html
March 07, 2005
The Decline of Atheism
Atheism is in decline, UPI Religious Affairs Editor Uwe Semon-Netto
reported last week.
This is not a brilliant piece of research, as Joshua at ITA points
out, but a report of the opinions of various social and religious
observers.
Tell me, were there any Atheist observers? From where I sit, with the
scheduled 10 Catholic and 7 Protestant Chruches slated to close in my area
within the next year or so, it appears that religion is in decline. Care
to comment?
The UPI Religious Affairs Editor Uwe Siemon-Netto is very
prejudiced against atheists and has defamed us before.
He's a Lutheran lay minister.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "James A. Doemer" |
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06 Apr 2006 09:14:06 PM |
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In News 123bcacogpmeb1@corp.supernews.com,, Brian Westley at
westley@visi.com, typed this:
"James A. Doemer" <ckdbigtoeNOSPAM@earthlink.net> writes:
In News 1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
Sound of Trumpet at soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com, typed this:
http://www.stonescryout.org/archives/2005/03/the_decline_of.html
March 07, 2005
The Decline of Atheism
Atheism is in decline, UPI Religious Affairs Editor Uwe Semon-Netto
reported last week.
This is not a brilliant piece of research, as Joshua at ITA points
out, but a report of the opinions of various social and religious
observers.
Tell me, were there any Atheist observers? From where I sit, with
the scheduled 10 Catholic and 7 Protestant Chruches slated to close
in my area within the next year or so, it appears that religion is
in decline. Care to comment?
The UPI Religious Affairs Editor Uwe Siemon-Netto is very
prejudiced against atheists and has defamed us before.
He's a Lutheran lay minister.
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Merlyn LeRoy
Well, that explains that then.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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06 Apr 2006 06:22:24 PM |
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In article <1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> writes:
http://www.stonescryout.org/archives/2005/03/the_decline_of.html
March 07, 2005
The Decline of Atheism
{...}
The article says:
"Two developments are plaguing atheism these days. One is that it
appears to be losing its scientific underpinnings. The other is the
historical experience of hundreds of millions of people worldwide that
atheists are in no position to claim the moral high ground."
Well, if that second statement is as accurate as the first one, atheists
are angels.
-- cary
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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07 Apr 2006 08:40:37 PM |
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On 6 Apr 2006 09:13:19 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> wrote:
Atheism is in decline, UPI Religious Affairs Editor Uwe Semon-Netto
reported last week.
This nicely contradicts your previous posting.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Apr 2006 05:51:33 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>...
The Decline of Atheism
Then why are their more of us ever year?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
I just love this one...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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06 Apr 2006 06:07:50 PM |
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In article <g42dne0lHsLoBqjZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@megapath.net> "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> writes:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>...
The Decline of Atheism
Then why are their more of us ever year?
Because we decline to decline?
-- cary
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Apr 2006 07:06:48 AM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Cary Kittrell in episode
<e14706$rvj$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>...
In article <g42dne0lHsLoBqjZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@megapath.net> "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> writes:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>...
The Decline of Atheism
Then why are their more of us ever year?
Because we decline to decline?
We're just *so ornery...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
I just love this one...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Apr 2006 09:28:40 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:p_6dnV2T5sJFyKvZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@megapath.net...
Previously, on alt.atheism, Cary Kittrell in episode
<e14706$rvj$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>...
In article <g42dne0lHsLoBqjZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@megapath.net> "Mark K.
Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> writes:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>...
The Decline of Atheism
Then why are their more of us ever year?
Because we decline to decline?
We're just *so ornery...
You betcha! I am one right beyotch today! >:P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Apr 2006 02:28:03 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Robibnikoff in episode
<49nb4dFp3ggoU1@individual.net>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:p_6dnV2T5sJFyKvZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@megapath.net...
Previously, on alt.atheism, Cary Kittrell in episode
<e14706$rvj$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>...
In article <g42dne0lHsLoBqjZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@megapath.net> "Mark K.
Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> writes:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>...
The Decline of Atheism
Then why are their more of us ever year?
Because we decline to decline?
We're just *so ornery...
You betcha! I am one right beyotch today! >:P
Huh. I'm a rather decent mood at the moment but I *am about to go empty
both filing cabinets and start going through the papers.
Gimme til about... 7ish tonight and I'll be ready to my bitchiness up
against *anybody's....
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
I just love this one...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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07 Apr 2006 02:41:24 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:oMydnVk4AYveIKvZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@megapath.net...
Previously, on alt.atheism, Robibnikoff in episode
<49nb4dFp3ggoU1@individual.net>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:p_6dnV2T5sJFyKvZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@megapath.net...
Previously, on alt.atheism, Cary Kittrell in episode
<e14706$rvj$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>...
In article <g42dne0lHsLoBqjZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@megapath.net> "Mark K.
Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> writes:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>...
The Decline of Atheism
Then why are their more of us ever year?
Because we decline to decline?
We're just *so ornery...
You betcha! I am one right beyotch today! >:P
Huh. I'm a rather decent mood at the moment but I *am about to go empty
both filing cabinets and start going through the papers.
Oh dear, talk about a mood killer. I'm just tense with Mr.George going to
India. My daughter's going to lose it when he says his goodbyes. I'm not
looking forward to that scene (poor guy had to pry me off of him this
morning as it was).
Gimme til about... 7ish tonight and I'll be ready to my bitchiness up
against *anybody's....
Oh, I'll be fine by then. Wallace & Gromit will be on the DVD player and
the wine bottle will be open ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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06 Apr 2006 07:14:31 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> posting the following on Thu, 06 Apr 2006
17:51:33 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>...
The Decline of Atheism
Then why are their more of us ever year?
Remember Baghdad Bob? Declaring American troops would never enter
Baghdad as tanks from the 3rd ID could be seen out the windows of the
room he was speaking in?
This reminds me of his hysterical pronouncement of imminent victory.
"Atheism is in decline!"
"But demographics show ever increasing numbers of people identifying
as atheist or non-religious."
"Atheism is in full retreat!"
"Then why is attendance at Catholic churches at an all time low in
Europe? Dioceses are closing doors across the continent. Even in
America, actual church attendance is trending downward."
"Yes!! Religion is on the march! Victory is ours!!"
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "James A. Doemer" |
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06 Apr 2006 07:18:20 PM |
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In News debb32hbpgsj4bi0e3esbqpte1m2soimon@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
What's so funny about peace, love and "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> posting the following on Thu, 06 Apr 2006
17:51:33 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1144339999.688728.296650@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>...
The Decline of Atheism
Then why are their more of us ever year?
Remember Baghdad Bob? Declaring American troops would never enter
Baghdad as tanks from the 3rd ID could be seen out the windows of the
room he was speaking in?
This reminds me of his hysterical pronouncement of imminent victory.
"Atheism is in decline!"
"But demographics show ever increasing numbers of people identifying
as atheist or non-religious."
"Atheism is in full retreat!"
"Then why is attendance at Catholic churches at an all time low in
Europe? Dioceses are closing doors across the continent. Even in
America, actual church attendance is trending downward."
"Yes!! Religion is on the march! Victory is ours!!"
They are closing 10 Catholic Churches here in Detroit due to decreased
attendance, and their inability to draw men into the priesthood.
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06 Apr 2006 10:42:04 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "James A. Doemer"
<ckdbigtoeNOSPAM@earthlink.net> posting the following on Fri, 07 Apr
2006 00:18:20 GMT iin alt.atheism?
They are closing 10 Catholic Churches here in Detroit due to decreased
attendance, and their inability to draw men into the priesthood.
The Archdiocese of San Francisco has been closing churches for years.
Now they're down to the landmarks like Old Saint Mary's (which dates
back to the Gold Rush.)
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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07 Apr 2006 06:34:50 AM |
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In News innb32h6d8rkofkgt0j3b462b3u6ddrnt4@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
What's so funny about peace, love and "James A. Doemer"
<ckdbigtoeNOSPAM@earthlink.net> posting the following on Fri, 07 Apr
2006 00:18:20 GMT iin alt.atheism?
They are closing 10 Catholic Churches here in Detroit due to
decreased attendance, and their inability to draw men into the
priesthood.
The Archdiocese of San Francisco has been closing churches for years.
Now they're down to the landmarks like Old Saint Mary's (which dates
back to the Gold Rush.)
Yeah, that's the sad part about it here. Some of the Churches they are
closing have a lot of history behind them. I hope the city doesn't just
let them sit and rot.
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07 Apr 2006 09:33:51 AM |
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James A. Doemer wrote:
In News innb32h6d8rkofkgt0j3b462b3u6ddrnt4@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
The Archdiocese of San Francisco has been closing churches for years.
Now they're down to the landmarks like Old Saint Mary's (which dates
back to the Gold Rush.)
Yeah, that's the sad part about it here. Some of the Churches they are
closing have a lot of history behind them. I hope the city doesn't just
let them sit and rot.
You can only have so many museums. Some churches work
great as houses, though many are too large. Break them up
into apartments? Community health care clinics? Libraries?
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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07 Apr 2006 12:40:03 PM |
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wrote:
You can only have so many museums. Some churches work
great as houses, though many are too large. Break them up
into apartments? Community health care clinics? Libraries?
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
The most ammusing, in my opinion, would be to convert them into Planned
Parenthood clinics. I don't think I would ever stop laughing.
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| User: "James A. Doemer" |
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07 Apr 2006 05:46:33 PM |
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In News 1144420431.822491.202620@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com at firelock_ny@hotmail.com, typed this:
James A. Doemer wrote:
In News innb32h6d8rkofkgt0j3b462b3u6ddrnt4@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
The Archdiocese of San Francisco has been closing churches for
years. Now they're down to the landmarks like Old Saint Mary's
(which dates back to the Gold Rush.)
Yeah, that's the sad part about it here. Some of the Churches they
are closing have a lot of history behind them. I hope the city
doesn't just let them sit and rot.
You can only have so many museums. Some churches work
great as houses, though many are too large. Break them up
into apartments? Community health care clinics? Libraries?
The problem with that is that Detroit has been mismanaged for so many
decades now that they're barely managing what they have. In fact, they've
turned over the Detroit Institute of Art and more recently the Zoo to
private management concerns. So I doubt that we'll be seeing libraries or
community health clinics anytime soon. The apartments idea may fly though.
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07 Apr 2006 09:46:14 AM |
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On 7 Apr 2006 07:33:51 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
firelock_ny@hotmail.com
James A. Doemer wrote:
In News innb32h6d8rkofkgt0j3b462b3u6ddrnt4@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
The Archdiocese of San Francisco has been closing churches for years.
Now they're down to the landmarks like Old Saint Mary's (which dates
back to the Gold Rush.)
Yeah, that's the sad part about it here. Some of the Churches they are
closing have a lot of history behind them. I hope the city doesn't just
let them sit and rot.
You can only have so many museums. Some churches work
great as houses, though many are too large. Break them up
into apartments? Community health care clinics? Libraries?
Concert halls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most churches, especially the older ones, have fab acoustics and pipe
organs.
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07 Apr 2006 12:26:21 PM |
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Bonnie B wrote:
On 7 Apr 2006 07:33:51 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
firelock_ny@hotmail.com
James A. Doemer wrote:
In News innb32h6d8rkofkgt0j3b462b3u6ddrnt4@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
The Archdiocese of San Francisco has been closing churches for years.
Now they're down to the landmarks like Old Saint Mary's (which dates
back to the Gold Rush.)
Yeah, that's the sad part about it here. Some of the Churches they are
closing have a lot of history behind them. I hope the city doesn't just
let them sit and rot.
You can only have so many museums. Some churches work
great as houses, though many are too large. Break them up
into apartments? Community health care clinics? Libraries?
Concert halls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most churches, especially the older ones, have fab acoustics and pipe
organs.
Perhaps a general community center then - use the main space
for concerts and other gatherings, I like the idea of multipurpose
public spaces.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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07 Apr 2006 12:30:04 PM |
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On 7 Apr 2006 10:26:21 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
firelock_ny@hotmail.com
Bonnie B wrote:
On 7 Apr 2006 07:33:51 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
firelock_ny@hotmail.com
James A. Doemer wrote:
In News innb32h6d8rkofkgt0j3b462b3u6ddrnt4@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
The Archdiocese of San Francisco has been closing churches for years.
Now they're down to the landmarks like Old Saint Mary's (which dates
back to the Gold Rush.)
Yeah, that's the sad part about it here. Some of the Churches they are
closing have a lot of history behind them. I hope the city doesn't just
let them sit and rot.
You can only have so many museums. Some churches work
great as houses, though many are too large. Break them up
into apartments? Community health care clinics? Libraries?
Concert halls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most churches, especially the older ones, have fab acoustics and pipe
organs.
Perhaps a general community center then - use the main space
for concerts and other gatherings, I like the idea of multipurpose
public spaces.
Sold!!!!
When do we start renovating?
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| User: "Zababa" |
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| Title: Re: In East Germany And Czech Republic, Communist Atheism Succeeded |
18 Apr 2006 09:24:20 AM |
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Yeah, Czechs are always first, at least in things that really matter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Atheism_studies_and_statistics
In 2001, the Czech Statistical Office provided census information on
the ten million people in the Czech Republic. 59% had no religion,
32.2% were religious, and 8.8% did not answer. This suggests that the
Czech Republic is probably the most atheistic country in the world.
http://www.czso.cz/csu/edicniplan.nsf/o/4110-03--skladba_obyvatelstva_podle_nabozenskeho_vyznani,_pohlavi_a_podle_veku
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=46083&Reg=1
Largest Beer Consumption
The Czech Republic is the leading beer consumer per capita, with 160
liters (281.56 pints, 35 gallons) per person as of 1999 - nearly
double that of the United States. Unsurprisingly, the Czechs only
import a small amount of American beers - mostly Rolling Rock,
Michelob, and Miller. In 1998, the Czech Republic as a whole consumed
1,653 million liters (436.7 million gallons) of beer.
This proves that you do not need God, Jesus or Mohamed, if you have
beer :-)
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