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PBS - NOW
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/jeffersonletter.html
Thomas Jefferson's Letter
The argument over spending federal monies for faith-based initiatives is
just the most recent battle in a long war over the role of religion in
American political life. Among the documents both sides call into evidence
are not only the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, but also a letter
written by then-President Thomas Jefferson. (Read the letter.)
There is a debate to this day as to the intent and the meaning of
Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists, in which he spoke of a "wall of
separation between Church and State." Some say he was responding to
pressure from the Baptists to set aside a day of fasting. Some say that his
letter was a response to a rumor that Congregationalism was to become the
national religion.
In recent years, religious conservatives and others have attacked the
principle of separation of church and state. The main strategy has been to
trivialize Jefferson's letter, arguing that it was written hastily as a
thank you note for a gift he received from the Baptists. However, it has
also been documented that Jefferson sent the first draft of his letter to
his attorney general for comments and corrections, then wrote notes about
what was revised in the letter in the margins before sending out the
official letter. Some claim that these things suggest the letter was
carefully written.
Scholars have long been analyzing Jefferson's words and actions to
determine how the phrase in question should be interpreted. Read what some
of them have said below.
[DEFENDING SEPARATION]
"The letter was the subject of intense scrutiny by Jefferson, and he
consulted a couple of New England politicians to assure that his words
would not offend while still conveying his message: it was not the place of
the Congress or the Executive to do anything that might be misconstrued as
the establishment of religion."
- Stephen Mount, USConstitution.net
[OPPOSING SEPARATION]
Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition, calls
Jefferson's letter an "angry note" which "mentioned in passing that the
First Amendment had built a wall of separation between church and state."
"This was no mere assurance that Congress could not establish a national
religion. It was a response to the very thesis of the Baptists' letter:
that religious rights are by nature inalienable. The Baptists wanted that
view to prevail in Connecticut. Jefferson's metaphor assured them that this
was already true on the national level, and that the federal government had
no right to legislate on religious matters in any way."
[DEFENDING SEPARATION]
- Tom Peters, Jim Allison and Susan Batte, Separation of Church and State
Homepage
"Jefferson believed that God, not government, was the Author and
Source of our rights and that the government, therefore, was to be
prevented from interference with those rights. Very simply, the 'fence' of
the Webster letter and the 'wall' of the Danbury letter were not to limit
religious activities in public; rather they were to limit the power of the
government to prohibit or interfere with those expressions."
[OPPOSING SEPARATION]
- David Barton, "The Separation of Church and State"
"It was for the simple reason that he was president of the American people,
not their pastor, priest or minister. He realized that he had absolutely no
authority to lead other citizens in religious services or expressions of
religious faith and worship. Why is it, then, that other presidents have
assumed that authority over the rest of us?"
[DEFENDING SEPARATION]
- Austin Cline, "Thomas Jefferson & the Danbury Baptists: Myths About the
Separation of Church and State"
"Because Jefferson's foes had vilified him as an infidel, he hoped
this letter would reassure the pious Baptists that he was a friend of
religion and an advocate of religious liberty. Jefferson also wanted to use
the letter as a vehicle to explain his views on a politically divisive
issue — why he, as president had declined to proclaim days for public
thanksgiving and prayer, as Presidents Washington and Adams had done before
him."
[OPPOSING SEPARATION]
- Daniel L. Dreisbach, author of THOMAS JEFFERSON AND THE WALL OF
SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE
"Jefferson's Danbury letter has been cited favorably by the Supreme Court
many times. In its 1879 Reynolds vs. U.S. decision the high court said
Jefferson's observations 'may be accepted almost as an authoritative
declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment.' In the
court's 1947 Everson v. Board of Education decision, Justice Hugo Black
wrote, 'In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the clause against establishment
of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between
church and state.' It is only in recent times that separation has come
under attack by judges in the federal court system who oppose separation of
church and state."
[DEFENDING SEPARATION]
- Robert Boston, author of WHY THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT IS WRONG ABOUT
SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE
"But the greatest injury of the 'wall' notion is its mischievous
diversion of judges from the actual intentions of the drafters of the Bill
of Rights. The 'crucible of litigation,' ante, at 2487, is well adapted to
adjudicating factual disputes on the basis of testimony presented in court,
but no amount of repetition of historical errors in judicial opinions can
make the errors true. The 'wall of separation between church and State' is
a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a
guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned."
[OPPOSING SEPARATION]
- Justice William Rehnquist, Dissent in Wallce v. Jaffree
"Baptists should not be swayed by opponents of separation who argue that
this phrase is taken out of context and that Jefferson hardly influenced
the original intent of the Constitution. That is a moot debate in view of
the fact that over 150 years earlier Roger Williams had already coined the
phrase when he warned against civil religion like that of Israel which had
'opened a gap in the hedge, or wall of separation, between the garden of
the church and the wilderness of the world.' Williams' arguments for strict
separation were biblical and incontrovertible."
[DEFENDING SEPARATION]
- Jim Spivey, "Separation No Myth"
"Jefferson’s view was a minority report among the Founding Fathers
which emerged long after the ink dried in Philadelphia... Although Mr.
Jefferson would no doubt have loved the insinuation that the Constitution
was a document of his singular genius, the third president’s opinion and
Constitutional law were never originally one and the same."
[OPPOSING SEPARATION]
- Gregory Alan Thornbury, Ph.D. , "Thomas Jefferson’s Anticlericalism,
Church, and State"
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20 Jan 2005 02:57:11 PM |
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Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity he didn't.
<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
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PBS - NOW
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/jeffersonletter.html
Thomas Jefferson's Letter
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20 Jan 2005 04:09:58 PM |
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"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote:
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:|> Thomas Jefferson's Letter
You seem like a likely candidate as much hate as you carry within
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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20 Jan 2005 05:36:20 PM |
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George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity he didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "George" |
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21 Jan 2005 07:50:37 AM |
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"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
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George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity he didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Hehheh.
I've NEVER, EVER claimed to be compassioate.
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4, hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
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| User: "Shadow Walker" |
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22 Jan 2005 12:21:02 AM |
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George wrote:
"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4, hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
Yeah, first you throw the 2x4 down, and say "don't cross that
line of I'll shoot you with the Gun..."
Then you screw the pooch.
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| User: "George" |
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23 Jan 2005 06:45:04 PM |
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"Shadow Walker" <shadow@onecall.net> wrote in message
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George wrote:
"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4,
hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
Yeah, first you throw the 2x4 down, and say "don't cross that
line of I'll shoot you with the Gun..."
Then you screw the pooch.
Bestiality is a "liberal" thing.
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| User: "Shadow Walker" |
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23 Jan 2005 06:48:35 PM |
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George wrote:
"Shadow Walker" <shadow@onecall.net> wrote in message
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George wrote:
"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4,
hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
Yeah, first you throw the 2x4 down, and say "don't cross that
line of I'll shoot you with the Gun..."
Then you screw the pooch.
Bestiality is a "liberal" thing.
That was a conservative, doing it.
I understand he was trying to make the liberal jealous. :P
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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24 Jan 2005 09:06:34 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:45:04 -0600, George wrote
(in article <ct0rbh$n36$0@pita.alt.net>):
"Shadow Walker" <shadow@onecall.net> wrote in message
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George wrote:
"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net...
<snip>
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4,
hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
Yeah, first you throw the 2x4 down, and say "don't cross that
line of I'll shoot you with the Gun..."
Then you screw the pooch.
Bestiality is a "liberal" thing.
Oh, true, so true.
Along with heterosexuality, homosexuality, sadomasochism,
bondage and discipline, kissing on the first date and
trying different strokes for different folks.
While our "conservative" brethern seem to stck with
masturbation except for those rare occasions when they
stray from the bathroom to commit incest.
Gray Shockley
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And folks wonder why "conservatives" are so strange.
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20 Jan 2005 05:38:14 PM |
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In article <35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net> Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> writes:
George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity he didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Good lord, how can _anyone_ dislike Bill Moyers?
-- cary
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21 Jan 2005 07:50:58 AM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net> Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> writes:
George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity he
didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Good lord, how can _anyone_ dislike Bill Moyers?
Because he's a lying leftist *****?
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4, hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
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21 Jan 2005 04:44:18 PM |
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In article <csqc94$qs1$0@pita.alt.net> "George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net> Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> writes:
George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity he
didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Good lord, how can _anyone_ dislike Bill Moyers?
Because he's a lying leftist *****?
A few illustrative examples of Moyer's lying if you please.
Here. You may use this space --->
-- cary
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21 Jan 2005 05:49:53 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <csqc94$qs1$0@pita.alt.net> "George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv>
writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net> Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> writes:
George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity he
didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Good lord, how can _anyone_ dislike Bill Moyers?
Because he's a lying leftist *****?
A few illustrative examples of Moyer's lying if you please.
Pick any NOW show transcript.
Start on line 1 of Moyer's speech.
Go to the last line of the show.
Now take everything in between. There's your lies.
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4, hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
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21 Jan 2005 06:11:07 PM |
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In article <csrfc1$hbt$0@pita.alt.net> "George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <csqc94$qs1$0@pita.alt.net> "George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv>
writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net> Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> writes:
George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity he
didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Good lord, how can _anyone_ dislike Bill Moyers?
Because he's a lying leftist *****?
A few illustrative examples of Moyer's lying if you please.
Pick any NOW show transcript.
Start on line 1 of Moyer's speech.
Go to the last line of the show.
Now take everything in between. There's your lies.
In other words: you can't.
In other words: you make claims you cannot support.
In other words: all bluster, no substance.
On reflection, perhaps that last was unduly harsh: perhaps
you're merely distinctly intellectually lazy instead.
-- cary
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21 Jan 2005 07:34:34 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <csrfc1$hbt$0@pita.alt.net> "George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv>
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <csqc94$qs1$0@pita.alt.net> "George"
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net> Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> writes:
George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity
he
didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Good lord, how can _anyone_ dislike Bill Moyers?
Because he's a lying leftist *****?
A few illustrative examples of Moyer's lying if you please.
Pick any NOW show transcript.
Start on line 1 of Moyer's speech.
Go to the last line of the show.
Now take everything in between. There's your lies.
In other words: you can't.
In other words, it's easer to point out the lies than the times he tells the
truth.
Liberal clowns like you need to be shown the BIG PICTURE. You liberal
stupids aren't much on subtle clues.
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21 Jan 2005 08:10:50 PM |
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In article <csrndn$mb0$0@pita.alt.net> "George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <csrfc1$hbt$0@pita.alt.net> "George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv>
writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <csqc94$qs1$0@pita.alt.net> "George"
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writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net> Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> writes:
George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity
he
didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Good lord, how can _anyone_ dislike Bill Moyers?
Because he's a lying leftist *****?
A few illustrative examples of Moyer's lying if you please.
Pick any NOW show transcript.
Start on line 1 of Moyer's speech.
Go to the last line of the show.
Now take everything in between. There's your lies.
In other words: you can't.
In other words, it's easer to point out the lies than the times he tells the
truth.
Liberal clowns like you need to be shown the BIG PICTURE. You liberal
stupids aren't much on subtle clues.
Fine, I'm game. Please list a half dozen of Moyer's lies; that wouldn't
be at all too subtle for my grasp. And, as you point out, it should be
quite "easy".
Here ya go:
1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
I await your input with considerable interest.
-- cary
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21 Jan 2005 09:08:04 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net> Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> writes:
George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004.
Pity
he
didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Good lord, how can _anyone_ dislike Bill Moyers?
Because he's a lying leftist *****?
A few illustrative examples of Moyer's lying if you please.
Pick any NOW show transcript.
Start on line 1 of Moyer's speech.
Go to the last line of the show.
Now take everything in between. There's your lies.
In other words: you can't.
In other words, it's easer to point out the lies than the times he tells
the
truth.
Liberal clowns like you need to be shown the BIG PICTURE. You liberal
stupids aren't much on subtle clues.
Fine, I'm game. Please list a half dozen of Moyer's lies; that wouldn't
be at all too subtle for my grasp. And, as you point out, it should be
quite "easy".
It was.
Here ya go:
1)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/749qcwsk.asp
Moyer's financial improprieties and open conflicts of interest. 'This isn't
the first time, or even the second time, Moyers has been caught funding his
own sources."
"A review of his PBS program since that statement shows that Moyers
regularly interviews or cites research from his grant recipients but rarely
acknowledges a financial relationship."
2) "I think this is deliberate, intentional destruction of the United
States of America," Bill Moyers lied.
3) http://www.aim.org/aim_report/2250_0_4_0_C/
"The Moyers threat on his November 5 show to bring down the Bush
administration through scandal stories should serve as a reminder of the
power of the old media, and how some of it is still financed by U.S.
taxpayers."
By the way, that's called "malice aforethought."
4)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/920jczzn.asp
"Moyers's difficulty conversing with people on the right seems to have
impaired his ability to report their opinions fairly..."
5) Selective reporting: "The website took Sinclair Broadcast Group to
task for offering to air STOLEN HONOR. Moyers didn't challenge the truth of
the story, just that the story was being offered by a Bush supporter. As if
that makes the story false. Neither did Moyers honestly report on how the
DNC and high ranking memembers of the democratic party threatened Sinclair
with retaliation. Moyers didn't mention that Sinclair was told that it
better hope the democrats don't get elected." archived at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1303922/posts
6) and, of course, that famous ENDORSEMENT of Moyers by Al Zarqawi's PR
organ, Al Jeezera.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2004%20opinions/December/13%20o/Goodbye,%20Bill%20Moyers%20Some%20Praise%20and%20Some%20Criticisms%20of%20Moyers%20and%20PBS%20By%20Sam%20Hamod.htm
With an endorsement by Al Qaeda's mouthpiece, why bother with posting any
other citations.....
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21 Jan 2005 09:14:56 PM |
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In article <csrqvl$75s$0@pita.alt.net> "George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <csrndn$mb0$0@pita.alt.net> "George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv>
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <csrfc1$hbt$0@pita.alt.net> "George"
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <csqc94$qs1$0@pita.alt.net> "George"
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net> Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> writes:
George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004.
Pity
he
didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Good lord, how can _anyone_ dislike Bill Moyers?
Because he's a lying leftist *****?
A few illustrative examples of Moyer's lying if you please.
Pick any NOW show transcript.
Start on line 1 of Moyer's speech.
Go to the last line of the show.
Now take everything in between. There's your lies.
In other words: you can't.
In other words, it's easer to point out the lies than the times he tells
the
truth.
Liberal clowns like you need to be shown the BIG PICTURE. You liberal
stupids aren't much on subtle clues.
Fine, I'm game. Please list a half dozen of Moyer's lies; that wouldn't
be at all too subtle for my grasp. And, as you point out, it should be
quite "easy".
It was.
Here ya go:
1)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/749qcwsk.asp
Moyer's financial improprieties and open conflicts of interest. 'This isn't
the first time, or even the second time, Moyers has been caught funding his
own sources."
"A review of his PBS program since that statement shows that Moyers
regularly interviews or cites research from his grant recipients but rarely
acknowledges a financial relationship."
2) "I think this is deliberate, intentional destruction of the United
States of America," Bill Moyers lied.
3) http://www.aim.org/aim_report/2250_0_4_0_C/
"The Moyers threat on his November 5 show to bring down the Bush
administration through scandal stories should serve as a reminder of the
power of the old media, and how some of it is still financed by U.S.
taxpayers."
By the way, that's called "malice aforethought."
4)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/920jczzn.asp
"Moyers's difficulty conversing with people on the right seems to have
impaired his ability to report their opinions fairly..."
5) Selective reporting: "The website took Sinclair Broadcast Group to
task for offering to air STOLEN HONOR. Moyers didn't challenge the truth of
the story, just that the story was being offered by a Bush supporter. As if
that makes the story false. Neither did Moyers honestly report on how the
DNC and high ranking memembers of the democratic party threatened Sinclair
with retaliation. Moyers didn't mention that Sinclair was told that it
better hope the democrats don't get elected." archived at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1303922/posts
6) and, of course, that famous ENDORSEMENT of Moyers by Al Zarqawi's PR
organ, Al Jeezera.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2004%20opinions/December/13%20o/Goodbye,%20Bill%20Moyers%20Some%20Praise%20and%20Some%20Criticisms%20of%20Moyers%20and%20PBS%20By%20Sam%20Hamod.htm
With an endorsement by Al Qaeda's mouthpiece, why bother with posting any
other citations.....
Ah, much better. Thank you.
I shall go look at the sources and the context.
-- cary
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20 Jan 2005 08:26:31 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net> Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> writes:
George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity he didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Good lord, how can _anyone_ dislike Bill Moyers?
-- cary
right wing idiots that can't handle the truth???
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21 Jan 2005 07:51:52 AM |
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"Andy Weaks" <awboat@labyrinth.net> wrote in message
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <35a8glF4l9ecrU2@individual.net> Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> writes:
George wrote:
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity he didn't.
More compassionate conservatism.
Good lord, how can _anyone_ dislike Bill Moyers?
-- cary
right wing idiots that can't handle the truth???
Only leftwing assholes like YOU think Moyers doesn't use his podium to lie
about the right.
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4, hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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21 Jan 2005 05:57:20 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:57:11 -0600, George wrote
(in article <csogs8$38i$0@pita.alt.net>):
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
No one is interested in your sexual
fantasies, Anonymous Poster.
Or your aesthetics.
Do you - Anonymous Molester - still have to register with
the local police whenever you change addresses?
Are you still on the run?
Are little children in your neighberhood still being given
pistols and told to aim them at you and dodn't stop pulling
the trigger until the handgun is out of bullets if you try
and touch them?
Turn yourself in before you have to commit "suicide by cop"
because of your "issues" with children.
Gray Shockley
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Calvin: These are interesting times.
We don't trust the government,
We don't trust the legal system,
We don't trust the media,
and we don't trust each other!
We've undermined all authority,
and with it, the basis for replacing it!
Hobbes: "Interesting" is a mild way of putting it.
Calvin: It's like a six-year-old's dream come true.
I thought he choked and died of apoplexy on 11/2/2004. Pity he didn't.
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PBS - NOW
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/jeffersonletter.html
Thomas Jefferson's Letter
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21 Jan 2005 07:55:18 AM |
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"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:57:11 -0600, George wrote
(in article <csogs8$38i$0@pita.alt.net>):
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
No one is interested in your sexual
fantasies, Anonymous Poster.
Did you take a BIG drink of "Grape Kool-aid" today, *****-pig as Bush
celebrated his inauguration?
Did watching Bush take the oath make you burn? I hope so.
I hope you enjoy the conservative/Republican political assfucking you
liberal pigs are going to get.
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4, hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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24 Jan 2005 09:13:37 PM |
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George wrote:
< snip >
I hope you enjoy the conservative/Republican political assfucking you
liberal pigs are going to get.
Thank you for summarizing BushCo's agenda so concisely. As I suspected,
nothing will change, including the conservative endorsement of rape as a
policy tool.
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4, hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
I can't imagine what it's like to harbor such seething hatred for people
who care about other people. Maybe you should try converting to
Christianity.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "George" |
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24 Jan 2005 10:21:26 PM |
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"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
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George wrote:
< snip >
I hope you enjoy the conservative/Republican political assfucking you
liberal pigs are going to get.
Thank you for summarizing BushCo's agenda so concisely. As I suspected,
nothing will change, including the conservative endorsement of rape as a
policy tool.
I especially tried to explain it terms you would be familiar with. BTW, it
isn't "rape" when you've been asking for it for the last four or so years.
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4,
hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
I can't imagine what it's like to harbor such seething hatred for people
who care about other people. Maybe you should try converting to
Christianity.
It's simply a recognition that your kind cannot be reasoned with. And that
your kind intends to do political violence, if necessary, to achieve your
ends. And that the only way to stop you is to be prepared for it.
Potestas Democraticorum delenda est
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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22 Jan 2005 02:45:14 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:55, George wrote:
"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:57:11 -0600, George wrote
(in article <csogs8$38i$0@pita.alt.net>):
Is that ugly *****, Moyers, still living?
No one is interested in your sexual
fantasies, Anonymous Poster.
Did you take a BIG drink of "Grape Kool-aid" today, *****-pig
S, /now/ you're interested in /my/ *****, sweet boy?
as Bush celebrated his inauguration?
All 40 million dollars of it.
Did watching Bush take the oath make you burn? I hope so.
Somewhat. I'm not the only military person - active or
retired - who notes the American Military deaths associated
with the United States' invasion of Iraq both with a tear
and with infuriation.
I don't read the KIA list of names because I just really
don't want to know if any of the young soldiers who I
trained or whose Platoon Sergeant or First Sergeant I was
have been killed.
I hope you enjoy the conservative/Republican political assfucking
Sort of got a one-track whatever you substitute for a mind,
eh, pretty boy? You sure do keep your ole Uncle Dave upset
at you because he keeps saying you don't have a pair & he's
not talkin' 'bout playing cards.
you liberal pigs are going to get.
Got a picture of another "George" on the back of your
bathroom door? Mebbe ole "WarAvoid George". And as
Co-Presidents Rumfeld & Cheney said to the other George,
"Shut up, George. When I need your opinion, I'll tell you
what it is."
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4, hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
Uncle Dave need a hunting dog to find his nephew when
there's something that takes courage around and about?
Betcha that ole dog generally finds you under the bed
shaking and crying.
Is it true that most "neo-cons" are fat and addicted to
drugs?
Is your military experience having once gone to a parade
where you cried all the way home because there was a junior
high school ROTC unit marching in it & you thought they'd
kill you? And you were only 26 then and you've gotten older
& much more cowardly since then?
Gray Shockley
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Vicksburg, MS
United States Army (retired)
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22 Jan 2005 03:22:09 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:45:14 -0600, Gray Shockley <grayshockley@gmail.com>
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"snip"
as Bush celebrated his inauguration?
All 40 million dollars of it.
Ah, but 40 million dollars from "private donations"
"WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites)'s second inauguration will cost
tens of millions of dollars - $40 million alone in private donations for the
balls, parade and other invitation-only parties."
(http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050114/ap_on_go_pr_wh/inaugural_price_tag)
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