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User: "words of truth"
Date: 18 Dec 2005 02:11:00 PM
Object: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists
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In the Beginning was Nothing:
A Creation Story for Young Materialists
Throughout history children have been awed and thrilled by retellings
of their culture's creation story. Aztec's would tell of the Lady
of the Skirt of Snakes, Phoenicians about the Zophashamin, and Jews and
Christians about the one true God -- Jehovah. But there is one
unfortunate group -- the children of materialists - that has no
creation myth to call its own. When an inquisitive tyke asks who
created the sun, the animals, and mankind, their materialist parents
can only tell them to read a book by Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins.
No child, though, should have to go without an answer which is why
I've decided to take the elements of materialism and shape them into
an accurate, though mythic, narrative. This is what our culture has
been missing for far too long -- a creation story for young
materialists.
******
In the beginning was Nothing and Nothing created Everything. When
Nothing decided to create Everything, she filled a tiny dot with Time,
Chance, and Everything and had it explode. The explosion spread
Everything into Everywhere carrying Time and Chance with it to keep it
company. The three stretched out together leaving bits of themselves
wherever they went. One of those places was the planet Earth.
For no particular Reason - for Reason is rarely particular -- Time
and Chance took a liking to this wet little blue rock and so decided to
stick around and see what adventures they might have. The pair thought
the Earth was intriguing and pretty, but also rather dull and static.
They fixed upon an idea to change Everything (just a little) by
creating a special Something. Time and Chance roamed the planet,
splashing through the oceans and scampering through the mud, in search
of materials. But though they looked Everywhere there was a Missing
Ingredient that they needed in order to make a Something that could
create more of the same Somethings.
They called to their friend Everything to help. Since Everything had
been Everywhere she would no doubt be able to find the Missing
Ingredient. And indeed she did, hidden away in a small alcove called
Somewhere, Everything found what Time and Chance had needed all along:
Information. Everything put the Information on a piece of ice and rock
that happened to be passing by the planet Pluto and sent it back to her
friends on Earth.
Now that they had Information, Time and Chance were finally able to
create a self-replicating Something which they called Life. Once they
created the Life they found that it not only became more Somethings it
began to become Otherthings too! The Somethings and the Otherthings
began to fill all the Earth -- from the bottom of the oceans to the top
of the sky. Their creation, which began as a single Something
eventually became millions of Otherthings.
Time and Chance, though, where the bickering sort and were constantly
feuding over which of them was the most powerful. One day they began to
argue over who had been most responsible for creating Life. Everything
(who was constantly eavesdropping) overheard the spat and suggested
that they settle the debate by putting their creative skills to work on
a new creature called Man. They all thought is was a splendid plan -
Man was a dull, hairy beast who would indeed provide a suitable
challenge - and began to boast about who could create an ability, which
they called Consciousness, that would allow Man to be aware of Chance,
Time, Everything, and Nothing.
Chance, who had always been a bit of a dawdler, got off to a slow start
so it was Time, who never rested, that was able to complete the task
first. Time rushed around, filling the gooey matter inside each Man's
head with Consciousness. But as he was gloating over his victory he
noticed a strange reaction. When Man could see that Everything had been
created by Time, Chance, and Nothing his Consciousness would fill up
with Despair.
Chance immediately saw a solution to the problem and used the remaining
materials she was using to make Consciousness to create Beliefs. When
Chance mixed Beliefs into the grey goo, Man stopped filling with
Despair and started creating his own Illusions. These Illusions took
various forms - God, Purpose, Meaning - but they were almost always
effective in preventing Man from filling up with Despair.
Nothing, who tended to be rather forgetful, remembered her creation and
decided to take a look around Everything. When she saw what Time and
Chance had done on planet Earth she was mildly amused but forbid them
to fill any more creatures with Consciousness or Beliefs (which is why
Man is the only Something that has both). But Nothing took a fancy to
Man and told Time and Chance that when each one's Life ran out that
she would take him or her and make them into Nothing too.
And that is why, my young friends, when Man loses his Life he goes from
being a Something created by Time and Chance into becoming like his
creator - Nothing.
The End
.

User: ""

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 18 Dec 2005 03:12:38 PM
"THEE" *ELECT* "ONE" *WROTE*:
*WORDS* "OF" *TRUTH* "IS" *A* "LIAR"!!!
*WHAT* "WORDS" *OF* "TRUTH" *WANTS* "TO" *BELIEVE* "AND" *SPREAD*
"AROUND" *AS* "TRUTH" *IS* "THAT" *NOTHING* "IS" *A* "WOMAN" *AND*
"NOTHING* "BEING" *A* "WOMAN" *IS* "FALSE* "BECAUSE" *NOTHING* "IS"
*REPRESENTED* "AS" *NO* "VALUE" *WHATSOEVER*!!!
*SO* "YOUR" *WORDS* "OF" *TRUTH* "SCREENNAME" *PROVES* "THAT" *YOUR*
"FALSE" *WORDS" *OF* "TRUTH" *AND* "SINCE" *YOU* "ARE" *FALSE* "WORDS"
*OF* "TRUTH" *BEING* "SPREAD" *AROUND* "YOU" *ARE* "MAKING" *YOUR*
"OPINIONS" *AND* "VIEWS" *TO* "BE" *AN* "OPPOSITION" *TO* "GOD"!!!
*GOD* "IS" *FIRST* "AND" *FOREMOST* "GOD" *AND* "NO" *MATTER* "WHAT"
*YOU* "SAY" *ABOUT* "THESE" *PEOPLES*, "CONCEPTS" *AND* "IDEALISMS"
*THEY* "HAVE" *NO* "FOUNDATIONAL" *SUPPORT*!!!
*LET* "US" *CONSIDER* "THAT" *THE* "FOUNDATION" *OF* "GOD" *IS* "THE"
*FOUNDATION* "THAT" *UPHOLDS* "THE" *PEOPLE* "OF" *GOD* "AS" *BEING*
"SUPPORTIVE" *AND* "REAL"!!!
*THOSE* "WHO" *PREACH* "A" *DIFFERENT* "CONCEPT" *ARE* "ALSO" *THOSE*
"WHO" *DO* "NOT" *HAVE* "GOD" *AS* "THEIR" *FOUNDATIONAL* "SUPPORT"!!!
*REMEMBER* "THAT" *THOSE* "WHO" *WILL* "BUILD" *THEIR* "HOMES" *ON*
"THE" *SAND* "INSTEAD" *OF* "THE" *ROCK* "CONCEPT"??? "THAT" *CONCEPT*
"WAS" *GIVEN* "IN" *RELATIONSHIP* "TO" *THE* "PEOPLE" *OF* "GOD"
*BEING* "OF" *THE* "FOUNDATIONAL" *SUPPORT* "OF" *GOD*!!!
*THOSE* "WHO" *BUILD* "THEIR" *HOMES* "ON" *THE* "SANDS" *OF*
"NOTHINGNESS" *HAVE* "ABSOLUTELY" *NO* "FOUNDATIONAL" *SUPPORT* "FOR"
*THEIR* "HOMES" *AS* "THE" *SAYING* "GOES" *THE* "FAMILY" *THAT*
"PRAYS" *TOGETHER* "STAYS" *TOGETHER*!!!
*A* "FOUNDATIONAL" *SUPPORT* "OF" *NOTHING* "IS" *JUST* "THAT"... *A*
"FOUNDATIONAL" *SUPPORT* "OF" *NOTHING*!!! "THEREFORE" *BUILDING*
"HOUSES" *ON* "A" *FOUNDATIONAL* "SUPPORT" *OF* "NOTHING" *WILL*
"LEAVE" *ANYBODY* "WITH" *NOTHING* "WHEN" *THE* "WAVES" *COME*
"CRASHING" *UP* "AGAINST" *ANY* "HOUSE" *THAT* "WAS" *ESTABLISHED* "ON"
*THE* "FOUNDATION" *OF* "NOTHING"!!!
*DOES* "THIS" *CONCEPT* "HAVE" *A* "SENSE" *OF* "TRUTH"???
*HAVE* "A" *NICE* "DAY"...
"THEE" *ELECT* "ONE"
.
User: ""

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 18 Dec 2005 07:19:41 PM
<Elect_One_Two@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>


*THOSE* "WHO" *PREACH* "A" *DIFFERENT* "CONCEPT" *ARE* "ALSO" *THOSE*
"WHO" *DO* "NOT" *HAVE* "GOD" *AS* "THEIR" *FOUNDATIONAL* "SUPPORT"!!!

Those who *WRITE* LIKE * THIS* are mentally unstable....
JR
<snip wackadoon blabbering>
.


User: "Elf M. Sternberg"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 19 Dec 2005 01:13:01 PM
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> writes:

And that is why, my young friends, when Man loses his Life he goes from
being a Something created by Time and Chance into becoming like his
creator - Nothing.

And that's the way it should be. Anything more is asking too
much.
Elf
--
Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988
http://www.drizzle.com/~elf
"You know how some people treat their body like a temple?
I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei
.

User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 18 Dec 2005 03:19:13 PM
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
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In the Beginning was Nothing:


A Creation Story for Young Materialists


Throughout history children have been awed and thrilled by retellings
of their culture's creation story. Aztec's would tell of the Lady
of the Skirt of Snakes, Phoenicians about the Zophashamin, and Jews and
Christians about the one true God -- Jehovah. But there is one
unfortunate group -- the children of materialists - that has no
creation myth to call its own. When an inquisitive tyke asks who
created the sun, the animals, and mankind, their materialist parents
can only tell them to read a book by Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins.

That's because they're interested in accuracy and honesty.
(snip)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
.

User: "shrikeback"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 18 Dec 2005 02:39:33 PM
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In the Beginning was Nothing:

Even you guys admit that Nothing is more powerful than God.
.
User: "Scott Erb"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 18 Dec 2005 10:04:02 PM
shrikeback wrote:

"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
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In the Beginning was Nothing:


Even you guys admit that Nothing is more powerful than God.

Wow, that Nothing must be very powerful indeed!
Praise Nothing! Nothing is powerful, more powerful than even God!
I devout my life to Nothing. Nothing is sacred. Nothing is holy.
Nothing!
.

User: "SeppoP"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 19 Dec 2005 12:18:55 AM
shrikeback wrote:

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In the Beginning was Nothing:



Even you guys admit that Nothing is more powerful than God.


I Nothing sacred?
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
.
User: "cactus"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 19 Dec 2005 12:51:37 AM
SeppoP wrote:

shrikeback wrote:

"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
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In the Beginning was Nothing:




Even you guys admit that Nothing is more powerful than God.


I Nothing sacred?

Good question.
Most of these posters do not understand the idea of nothing - the most
accessible understanding is provided in the Tao Te Ching of Lao Tzu.
However, one can find similar ideas in Buddhism (especially Zen),
Kabbalah and Sufism.
Christianity has no similar mystical tradition AFAIK, so the only
understanding available to Christians comes from other traditions. This
means that most of the fanatics here will deliberately refuse to
understand the concept, let alone accept it. That is, if their
traditions and limited viewpoints allow them to understand it in the
first place.
.
User: "John Gilmer"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 23 Dec 2005 07:01:35 AM


Christianity has no similar mystical tradition AFAIK, so the only
understanding available to Christians comes from other traditions.

Most Christians would claim that the "Jewish Bible" is a part of the
Christian tradition.
.
User: "MDFranklin"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 26 Dec 2005 04:51:29 PM
I would refer you to: http://rs.org/theosophy2.htm for a dissertation on
Esoteric Christianity. Christianity most certainly did have her
"mysteries"--and still does!
"John Gilmer" <gilmer@crosslink.net> wrote in message
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Christianity has no similar mystical tradition AFAIK, so the only
understanding available to Christians comes from other traditions.


Most Christians would claim that the "Jewish Bible" is a part of the
Christian tradition.


.
User: "cactus"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 26 Dec 2005 06:59:11 PM
MDFranklin wrote:

I would refer you to: http://rs.org/theosophy2.htm for a dissertation on
Esoteric Christianity. Christianity most certainly did have her
"mysteries"--and still does!


"John Gilmer" <gilmer@crosslink.net> wrote in message
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Christianity has no similar mystical tradition AFAIK, so the only
understanding available to Christians comes from other traditions.


Most Christians would claim that the "Jewish Bible" is a part of the
Christian tradition.



Right, but the Christian redactors rearranged the sequence of sections
in Tanach, making a polemical reinterpretation.
In any case Christianity did not pick up any meditative practices from
Ezekiel, and did not develop either a mystical or meditative tradition,
even though the seeds were potentially there.
If you know of some Christian meditative tradition, let me know, I'm
interested.
.


User: "cactus"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 24 Dec 2005 07:29:12 PM
John Gilmer wrote:

Christianity has no similar mystical tradition AFAIK, so the only
understanding available to Christians comes from other traditions.



Most Christians would claim that the "Jewish Bible" is a part of the
Christian tradition.


Yes, they do, albeit somewhat rearranged. However, the Jewish mystical
tradition began more or less with Ezekiel's visions. Christians don't
appear to get past the visions, whereas Judaism began an entire
meditative tradition based on it, that eventually led to Kabbalah. It
also entered mainstream Judaism - anyone who knows the liturgy and just
a bit of Kabbalah can see how the mystical teachings have entered
mainstream Judaism over the centuries.
I know of nothing similar in Christianity, except maybe the wiritngs of
William Blake, Thomas Merton, and some medieval Germans such as
Meister Eckhart and others whose names I can't recall.
.


User: "SeppoP"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 19 Dec 2005 01:03:07 AM
cactus wrote:

SeppoP wrote:

shrikeback wrote:

"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
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In the Beginning was Nothing:





Even you guys admit that Nothing is more powerful than God.


I Nothing sacred?

Good question.

Most of these posters do not understand the idea of nothing - the most
accessible understanding is provided in the Tao Te Ching of Lao Tzu.
However, one can find similar ideas in Buddhism (especially Zen),
Kabbalah and Sufism.

Christianity has no similar mystical tradition AFAIK, so the only
understanding available to Christians comes from other traditions. This
means that most of the fanatics here will deliberately refuse to
understand the concept, let alone accept it. That is, if their
traditions and limited viewpoints allow them to understand it in the
first place.

True. Anyway, I was referring to Gahan Wilson's cartoon from the '70s :)
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
.
User: "cactus"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 19 Dec 2005 01:19:46 AM
SeppoP wrote:

cactus wrote:

SeppoP wrote:

shrikeback wrote:

"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/001750.html


In the Beginning was Nothing:






Even you guys admit that Nothing is more powerful than God.


I Nothing sacred?

Good question.

Most of these posters do not understand the idea of nothing - the most
accessible understanding is provided in the Tao Te Ching of Lao Tzu.
However, one can find similar ideas in Buddhism (especially Zen),
Kabbalah and Sufism.

Christianity has no similar mystical tradition AFAIK, so the only
understanding available to Christians comes from other traditions.
This means that most of the fanatics here will deliberately refuse to
understand the concept, let alone accept it. That is, if their
traditions and limited viewpoints allow them to understand it in the
first place.



True. Anyway, I was referring to Gahan Wilson's cartoon from the '70s :)

Equally true then.
.
User: "SeppoP"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 19 Dec 2005 01:20:54 AM
cactus wrote:

SeppoP wrote:

cactus wrote:

SeppoP wrote:

shrikeback wrote:

"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134936660.290610.178960@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/001750.html


In the Beginning was Nothing:







Even you guys admit that Nothing is more powerful than God.


I Nothing sacred?

Good question.

Most of these posters do not understand the idea of nothing - the
most accessible understanding is provided in the Tao Te Ching of Lao
Tzu.
However, one can find similar ideas in Buddhism (especially Zen),
Kabbalah and Sufism.

Christianity has no similar mystical tradition AFAIK, so the only
understanding available to Christians comes from other traditions.
This means that most of the fanatics here will deliberately refuse to
understand the concept, let alone accept it. That is, if their
traditions and limited viewpoints allow them to understand it in the
first place.




True. Anyway, I was referring to Gahan Wilson's cartoon from the '70s :)

Equally true then.

Yep.
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
.






User: "Bert Hyman"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 18 Dec 2005 02:15:09 PM
In news:1134936660.290610.178960@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com "words of
truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:

But there is one unfortunate group -- the children of materialists -
that has no creation myth to call its own.

At least you recognize that it's just a myth.
But why use the word "unfortunate" for those who get to learn the truth?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
.

User: "Sanitys little helper"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 18 Dec 2005 02:28:19 PM
On 18 Dec 2005 12:11:00 -0800, words of truth wrote:

In the Beginning was Nothing:

What beginning?
--
Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow, we eat, drink and be merry.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
.

User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 19 Dec 2005 06:54:58 AM
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:11:00 -0800, words of truth wrote:

http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/001750.html


In the Beginning was Nothing:


A Creation Story for Young Materialists


Throughout history children have been awed and thrilled by retellings of
their culture's creation story. Aztec's would tell of the Lady of the
Skirt of Snakes, Phoenicians about the Zophashamin, and Jews and
Christians about the one true God -- Jehovah. But there is one unfortunate
group -- the children of materialists - that has no creation myth to call
its own. When an inquisitive tyke asks who created the sun, the animals,
and mankind, their materialist parents can only tell them to read a book
by Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins.

No child, though, should have to go without an answer which is why I've
decided to take the elements of materialism and shape them into an
accurate, though mythic, narrative. This is what our culture has been
missing for far too long -- a creation story for young materialists.


******

In the beginning was Nothing and Nothing created Everything. When Nothing
decided to create Everything, she filled a tiny dot with Time, Chance, and
Everything and had it explode. The explosion spread Everything into
Everywhere carrying Time and Chance with it to keep it company. The three
stretched out together leaving bits of themselves wherever they went. One
of those places was the planet Earth.

For no particular Reason - for Reason is rarely particular -- Time and
Chance took a liking to this wet little blue rock and so decided to stick
around and see what adventures they might have. The pair thought the Earth
was intriguing and pretty, but also rather dull and static. They fixed
upon an idea to change Everything (just a little) by creating a special
Something. Time and Chance roamed the planet, splashing through the oceans
and scampering through the mud, in search of materials. But though they
looked Everywhere there was a Missing Ingredient that they needed in order
to make a Something that could create more of the same Somethings.

They called to their friend Everything to help. Since Everything had been
Everywhere she would no doubt be able to find the Missing Ingredient. And
indeed she did, hidden away in a small alcove called Somewhere, Everything
found what Time and Chance had needed all along: Information. Everything
put the Information on a piece of ice and rock that happened to be passing
by the planet Pluto and sent it back to her friends on Earth.

Now that they had Information, Time and Chance were finally able to create
a self-replicating Something which they called Life. Once they created the
Life they found that it not only became more Somethings it began to become
Otherthings too! The Somethings and the Otherthings began to fill all the
Earth -- from the bottom of the oceans to the top of the sky. Their
creation, which began as a single Something eventually became millions of
Otherthings.

Time and Chance, though, where the bickering sort and were constantly
feuding over which of them was the most powerful. One day they began to
argue over who had been most responsible for creating Life. Everything
(who was constantly eavesdropping) overheard the spat and suggested that
they settle the debate by putting their creative skills to work on a new
creature called Man. They all thought is was a splendid plan - Man was a
dull, hairy beast who would indeed provide a suitable challenge - and
began to boast about who could create an ability, which they called
Consciousness, that would allow Man to be aware of Chance, Time,
Everything, and Nothing.

Chance, who had always been a bit of a dawdler, got off to a slow start so
it was Time, who never rested, that was able to complete the task first.
Time rushed around, filling the gooey matter inside each Man's head with
Consciousness. But as he was gloating over his victory he noticed a
strange reaction. When Man could see that Everything had been created by
Time, Chance, and Nothing his Consciousness would fill up with Despair.

Chance immediately saw a solution to the problem and used the remaining
materials she was using to make Consciousness to create Beliefs. When
Chance mixed Beliefs into the grey goo, Man stopped filling with Despair
and started creating his own Illusions. These Illusions took various forms
- God, Purpose, Meaning - but they were almost always effective in
preventing Man from filling up with Despair.

Nothing, who tended to be rather forgetful, remembered her creation and
decided to take a look around Everything. When she saw what Time and
Chance had done on planet Earth she was mildly amused but forbid them to
fill any more creatures with Consciousness or Beliefs (which is why Man is
the only Something that has both). But Nothing took a fancy to Man and
told Time and Chance that when each one's Life ran out that she would take
him or her and make them into Nothing too.

And that is why, my young friends, when Man loses his Life he goes from
being a Something created by Time and Chance into becoming like his
creator - Nothing.

The End

That may be the first half-intelligent thing you have ever posted. It is
actually pretty good. It makes a lot more sense than saying:
In the Beginning was God. God doesn't need a beginning, because that
would raise too many icky questions like where did God come from? So
we'll just fix that problem right off by saying that God doesn't need a
beginning, but Everything else does. So He created Everything.
Otherwise, He would have been REALLY BORED. I mean, who wants to sit
around in an empty Universe? Or an empty Void, before the Universe was
even created? What fun is that? So God created lots of stuff, including
us, so he could be amused at watching us scamper about, committing obscene
acts of depravity, like oral sex.
But God knew that He would soon get bored with even that, so HE did
something diabolical: He gave us BRAINS, and filled the Universe with
clues that the Universe is huge and ancient, and works though impersonal
physical laws that never change. He spoke some cryptic words to a group
of goat herders, before writing was invented. He spoke OTHER words to a
different group, just so they would have an entirely different religious
tradition. Then, HE carefully hid all evidence of HIS existence....
Now, the fun REALLY began. Some people held on to the garbled mythology
passed down thru thousands of generations from those ancient goat herders.
Some decided that such myths are too unreliable, and you should trust
what you can directly measure for yourself. (That group, BTW, became
enormously successful at manipulating the environment to their own
advantage, but that didn't impress the mythology crowd, though they are
happy to enjoy the fruits of their labors). And of course, different
groups of mythology believers argued and fought long, bloody wars over
whose mythology was THE ONE TRUE myth.
So, God shakes his head and laughs at the silly hominids who claim to be
in HIS 'image.' Some day, HE will get bored again, wipe the Universe from
existence, and start a brand new game.
Sweet dreams....
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
.

User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 18 Dec 2005 09:47:22 PM
words of truth wrote:

In the Beginning was Nothing:
A Creation Story for Young Materialists

Translation:
"I don't know ***** about science but I love making a fool of myself"
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
.
User: "MDFranklin"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 18 Dec 2005 09:53:08 PM
you're a member if ihiqs, aren't you?
"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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words of truth wrote:

In the Beginning was Nothing:
A Creation Story for Young Materialists


Translation:

"I don't know ***** about science but I love making a fool of myself"

--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)

Must have been written with fundies in mind...

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User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 19 Dec 2005 10:34:12 AM
MDFranklin wrote:

you're a member if ihiqs, aren't you?

Given that I have no idea what you mean, chances are that I'm not ;)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
.



User: "cactus"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For Young Materialists 18 Dec 2005 02:23:51 PM
words of truth wrote:

http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/001750.html


In the Beginning was Nothing:


A Creation Story for Young Materialists


Throughout history children have been awed and thrilled by retellings
of their culture's creation story. Aztec's would tell of the Lady
of the Skirt of Snakes, Phoenicians about the Zophashamin, and Jews and
Christians about the one true God -- Jehovah. But there is one
unfortunate group -- the children of materialists - that has no
creation myth to call its own. When an inquisitive tyke asks who
created the sun, the animals, and mankind, their materialist parents
can only tell them to read a book by Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins.

No child, though, should have to go without an answer which is why
I've decided to take the elements of materialism and shape them into
an accurate, though mythic, narrative. This is what our culture has
been missing for far too long -- a creation story for young
materialists.


******

In the beginning was Nothing and Nothing created Everything. When
Nothing decided to create Everything, she filled a tiny dot with Time,
Chance, and Everything and had it explode. The explosion spread
Everything into Everywhere carrying Time and Chance with it to keep it
company. The three stretched out together leaving bits of themselves
wherever they went. One of those places was the planet Earth.

For no particular Reason - for Reason is rarely particular -- Time
and Chance took a liking to this wet little blue rock and so decided to
stick around and see what adventures they might have. The pair thought
the Earth was intriguing and pretty, but also rather dull and static.
They fixed upon an idea to change Everything (just a little) by
creating a special Something. Time and Chance roamed the planet,
splashing through the oceans and scampering through the mud, in search
of materials. But though they looked Everywhere there was a Missing
Ingredient that they needed in order to make a Something that could
create more of the same Somethings.

They called to their friend Everything to help. Since Everything had
been Everywhere she would no doubt be able to find the Missing
Ingredient. And indeed she did, hidden away in a small alcove called
Somewhere, Everything found what Time and Chance had needed all along:
Information. Everything put the Information on a piece of ice and rock
that happened to be passing by the planet Pluto and sent it back to her
friends on Earth.

Now that they had Information, Time and Chance were finally able to
create a self-replicating Something which they called Life. Once they
created the Life they found that it not only became more Somethings it
began to become Otherthings too! The Somethings and the Otherthings
began to fill all the Earth -- from the bottom of the oceans to the top
of the sky. Their creation, which began as a single Something
eventually became millions of Otherthings.

Time and Chance, though, where the bickering sort and were constantly
feuding over which of them was the most powerful. One day they began to
argue over who had been most responsible for creating Life. Everything
(who was constantly eavesdropping) overheard the spat and suggested
that they settle the debate by putting their creative skills to work on
a new creature called Man. They all thought is was a splendid plan -
Man was a dull, hairy beast who would indeed provide a suitable
challenge - and began to boast about who could create an ability, which
they called Consciousness, that would allow Man to be aware of Chance,
Time, Everything, and Nothing.

Chance, who had always been a bit of a dawdler, got off to a slow start
so it was Time, who never rested, that was able to complete the task
first. Time rushed around, filling the gooey matter inside each Man's
head with Consciousness. But as he was gloating over his victory he
noticed a strange reaction. When Man could see that Everything had been
created by Time, Chance, and Nothing his Consciousness would fill up
with Despair.

Chance immediately saw a solution to the problem and used the remaining
materials she was using to make Consciousness to create Beliefs. When
Chance mixed Beliefs into the grey goo, Man stopped filling with
Despair and started creating his own Illusions. These Illusions took
various forms - God, Purpose, Meaning - but they were almost always
effective in preventing Man from filling up with Despair.

Nothing, who tended to be rather forgetful, remembered her creation and
decided to take a look around Everything. When she saw what Time and
Chance had done on planet Earth she was mildly amused but forbid them
to fill any more creatures with Consciousness or Beliefs (which is why
Man is the only Something that has both). But Nothing took a fancy to
Man and told Time and Chance that when each one's Life ran out that
she would take him or her and make them into Nothing too.

And that is why, my young friends, when Man loses his Life he goes from
being a Something created by Time and Chance into becoming like his
creator - Nothing.

The End

Hey, not bad! Are you a mystic?
.

User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: In The Beginning Was Nothing: A Creation Story For YoungMaterialists 18 Dec 2005 08:40:50 PM
words of truth wrote:

http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/001750.html

In the Beginning was Nothing:

A Creation Story for Young Materialists

===>Who says there was NOTHING?
Heraclitus of Ephesus said some 2600 years ago that
the COSMOS was not created, but is now, always was and always
will be an "ever-living fire"!
Carl Sagan said that
the Cosmos is all that is, ever was or ever will be.
The idea that it came out of "nothing" is as much NONSENSE
as the idea that a mysterious "intelligent creator" made it all,
who must have come from nothing and nowhere. -- L.



Throughout history children have been awed and thrilled by retellings
of their culture's creation story. Aztec's would tell of the Lady
of the Skirt of Snakes, Phoenicians about the Zophashamin, and Jews and
Christians about the one true God -- Jehovah. But there is one
unfortunate group -- the children of materialists - that has no
creation myth to call its own.

===>That is because they prefer to tell them the truth.

When an inquisitive tyke asks who
created the sun, the animals, and mankind, their materialist parents
can only tell them to read a book by Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins.

===>They don't need to read any books to have an answer.
All they need to know is the facts of COSMIC EVOLUTION:
the facts about the eternal, eternally changing Cosmos. -- L.
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