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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Jason Spaceman"
Date: 05 Jul 2005 07:24:50 PM
Object: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission
From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust — it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.
Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .
... . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million — the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost — for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."
---------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050705/ap_on_fe_st/russia_comet_case
J. Spaceman
.

User: "Clayton: Master Of Scrotum Origami"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 01:35:54 AM
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:s29mc1tgui40d64s41dtk4dro1cqbqcrft@4ax.com...

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."

Is she suing Jupiter for that Schumaker Leavy thing?
.

User: "Greywolf"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 05:22:36 AM
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:s29mc1tgui40d64s41dtk4dro1cqbqcrft@4ax.com...

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."
---------------------------------------------------------

Read it at
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050705/ap_on_fe_st/russia_comet_case


J. Spaceman



Aha! She's right. My 'scopes *have* been off lately. I did *not* meet "the
girl of your (my) dreams" yesterday!
Greywolf
.

User: "Craig Franck"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 05 Jul 2005 07:47:40 PM
"Jason Spaceman" wrote

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."

Oh, like astrologers haven't done $300 million in damage with their silly
advice.
--
Craig Franck
craig.franck@verizon.net
Cortland, NY
.
User: "RHertz"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 10:21:07 AM
"Craig Franck" <craig.franck@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:MSFye.34027$Cm6.16996@trndny02...

"Jason Spaceman" wrote

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."


Oh, like astrologers haven't done $300 million in damage with their silly
advice.

Now THERE'S an idea! If astrologers were financially liable for the bad
advice they give, then they'd shut up FAST! If they give an incorrect
lottery number...they are liable. And not just for the wasted $1, but for
the size of the jackpot! Another example. Here is my horoscope for today
from The Washington Post:
-----------------------
CANCER (June 22-July 22). Who needs conversation when you can speak with
another equally powerful communicator -- your actions. If you hesitate, your
rewards are delayed, so move it!
-----------------------
Now suppose I was mulling over some financial decision, but based on this
advice "If you hesitate, your rewards are delayed.", I sell the stock.
Let's suppose that tomorrow, the stock goes up 50%. I could have made 50%
more on the transaction, so I sue the astrologer! Now, in this skeptic's
fantasy land, the law held the astrologer liable for that 50% profit.
Wouldn't that be something?!! Astrologers have undoubtedly given even worse
advice that have caused people to make even dumber decisions for which they
could be held liable.
Astrologers would crawl back under the rocks they came from. What a happy
day that would be!
Alas, it will never happen. Ah, well.
.

User: ""

Title: AQOTM nomination (Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission) 06 Jul 2005 01:49:28 AM
Craig Franck wrote:

"Jason Spaceman" wrote

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

<snip>


.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."


Oh, like astrologers haven't done $300 million in damage with their silly
advice.

--
Craig Franck

Too honest, too good, and too true not to nominate.
Seconds, anyone?
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
-----
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sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
.
User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: AQOTM nomination (Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission) 06 Jul 2005 05:52:15 PM
on 05 Jul 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet (bg12345@apexmail.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:

Craig Franck wrote:

"Jason Spaceman" wrote

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a
comet raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit
from a Russian astrologer.

<snip>


.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the
approximate equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral
sufferings," Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov.
She earlier told the paper that the experiment would "deform her
horoscope."


Oh, like astrologers haven't done $300 million in damage with their
silly advice.

--
Craig Franck


Too honest, too good, and too true not to nominate.
Seconds, anyone?

Yup, seconds.
--
Uncle Vic (Vic Sagerquist)
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
______________
'03 XVS650A
'04 XVS1100
.
User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: AQOTM nomination (Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission) 11 Jul 2005 03:30:17 AM
In article <Xns968BA18EC887Fvicman@127.0.0.1>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:

on 05 Jul 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet (bg12345@apexmail.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:

Craig Franck wrote:

"Jason Spaceman" wrote

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a
comet raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit
from a Russian astrologer.

<snip>


.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the
approximate equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral
sufferings," Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov.
She earlier told the paper that the experiment would "deform her
horoscope."


Oh, like astrologers haven't done $300 million in damage with their
silly advice.

--
Craig Franck


Too honest, too good, and too true not to nominate.
Seconds, anyone?


Yup, seconds.

Recorded. Extra groups removed.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
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Charter member, SMASH!!
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.




User: "Kari Tikkanen"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 05 Jul 2005 07:52:10 PM
And how many much more massive comets she knew beforehand (Hale-Bopp,
Hyakutake) until amateurs and astronomers even found those ?
Should she sue either amateurs who found those too late or Devil who
threw those from darkness to disturb her horoscopes ?
Did she ever curse Schoemaker-Levy ice ball that gave quite a exlosive
impetus to Jupiter ? Are huge explosions mark of balance of forces ?
What about Voyagers etc that sucked momentum of Jupiter, slowed
Jupiter?
.
User: "TomS"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 06:25:35 AM
"On 5 Jul 2005 17:52:10 -0700, in article
<1120611130.747972.324770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Kari Tikkanen
stated..."


And how many much more massive comets she knew beforehand (Hale-Bopp,
Hyakutake) until amateurs and astronomers even found those ?
Should she sue either amateurs who found those too late or Devil who
threw those from darkness to disturb her horoscopes ?
Did she ever curse Schoemaker-Levy ice ball that gave quite a exlosive
impetus to Jupiter ? Are huge explosions mark of balance of forces ?
What about Voyagers etc that sucked momentum of Jupiter, slowed
Jupiter?

I hestitate to mention this, but what about those astronomers
who want to downgrade Pluto from the status of "planet"?
--
---Tom S. <http://talkreason.org/articles/chickegg.cfm>
...The Earth obey'd, and strait/Op'ning her fertil Woomb teem'd at a Birth/
Innumerous living Creatures, perfet formes,/Limb'd and full grown: out of the
ground up rose/As from his Laire the wilde Beast...
Milton, Paradise Lost. Book VII 453-457
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 06:58:56 AM
On 6 Jul 2005 04:25:35 -0700, TomS <TomS_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

"On 5 Jul 2005 17:52:10 -0700, in article
<1120611130.747972.324770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Kari Tikkanen
stated..."


And how many much more massive comets she knew beforehand (Hale-Bopp,
Hyakutake) until amateurs and astronomers even found those ?
Should she sue either amateurs who found those too late or Devil who
threw those from darkness to disturb her horoscopes ?
Did she ever curse Schoemaker-Levy ice ball that gave quite a exlosive
impetus to Jupiter ? Are huge explosions mark of balance of forces ?
What about Voyagers etc that sucked momentum of Jupiter, slowed
Jupiter?


I hestitate to mention this, but what about those astronomers
who want to downgrade Pluto from the status of "planet"?

Ignore them.
They're all Aquarians.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 09:56:19 AM
Michael Gray wrote:

On 6 Jul 2005 04:25:35 -0700, TomS <TomS_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

"On 5 Jul 2005 17:52:10 -0700, in article
<1120611130.747972.324770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Kari Tikkanen
stated..."


And how many much more massive comets she knew beforehand (Hale-Bopp,
Hyakutake) until amateurs and astronomers even found those ?
Should she sue either amateurs who found those too late or Devil who
threw those from darkness to disturb her horoscopes ?
Did she ever curse Schoemaker-Levy ice ball that gave quite a exlosive
impetus to Jupiter ? Are huge explosions mark of balance of forces ?
What about Voyagers etc that sucked momentum of Jupiter, slowed
Jupiter?


I hestitate to mention this, but what about those astronomers
who want to downgrade Pluto from the status of "planet"?


Ignore them.
They're all Aquarians.

Or Aquilonians.
.




User: "Grogs"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 06:33:59 AM
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:s29mc1tgui40d64s41dtk4dro1cqbqcrft@4ax.com:

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust — it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million — the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost — for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."

One has to wonder why she needs to go to all the trouble of hiring a lawyer
and suing. As a psychic, she should be able to just hit the lottery
several weeks in a row.
.
User: "zinnic"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 03:07:31 PM
She's a genuine psychic!
Bet she predicted she would get priceless publicity from her suit!
Gee! She was right. Who'd have guessed it!
.

User: "zinnic"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 03:07:41 PM
She's a genuine psychic!
Bet she predicted she would get priceless publicity from her suit!
Gee! She was right. Who'd have guessed it!
.


User: "Greg G."

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 05 Jul 2005 08:01:47 PM
Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."

Since the collision, my psychic abilities have been attenuated to near
omniscience. If her "moral sufferings" are worth $300 million, she
should be willing to pay me that much to tell her how to alleviate
them.

---------------------------------------------------------

Read it at
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050705/ap_on_fe_st/russia_comet_case







J. Spaceman

--
Greg G.
La Quinta: Spanish for "Next to Denny's".
.
User: "Tim McGaughy"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 05 Jul 2005 09:30:59 PM
Greg G. wrote:

Since the collision, my psychic abilities have been attenuated to near
omniscience. If her "moral sufferings" are worth $300 million, she
should be willing to pay me that much to tell her how to alleviate
them.

Psssst.
You might want to look up 'attenuate' and see what it actually means.
.
User: "Greg G."

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 03:55:19 AM
Tim McGaughy wrote:

Greg G. wrote:

Since the collision, my psychic abilities have been attenuated to near
omniscience. If her "moral sufferings" are worth $300 million, she
should be willing to pay me that much to tell her how to alleviate
them.


Psssst.

You might want to look up 'attenuate' and see what it actually means.

I know everything. It's just hard to remember it all at once.
--
Greg G.
A fool and his modem are soon ported.
.



User: "Chris Krolczyk"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 05 Jul 2005 08:05:05 PM
Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:

(snip)

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."

As a friend once said, "that takes a *special* kind of stupid."
-Chris Krolczyk
.
User: "beagle"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 05 Jul 2005 08:34:09 PM

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."

Hmmm...I detect another "controversy" that should be taught in the
science classroom, just to be "fair." What do all those scientists
know, anyway?
-Karen
.
User: "Malthus"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 07:07:53 AM
beagle wrote:

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier

told

the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."


Hmmm...I detect another "controversy" that should be taught in the
science classroom, just to be "fair." What do all those scientists
know, anyway?

-Karen

You hard people. It's a fair claim. If they've knocked that poor comet
off-course by some calculable percentage, she deserves compensation. Not
$300 million worth, of course. How about the same percentage of $300
million?
(I'm guessing about two roubles.)
--
Malthus
.



User: "George Cleveland"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 05 Jul 2005 10:14:56 PM
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:24:50 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust — it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million — the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost — for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."
---------------------------------------------------------

Read it at
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050705/ap_on_fe_st/russia_comet_case







J. Spaceman

Am I the only one who has started to wonder if a non-Communist Russia
hasn't been all it was cracked up to be?
g.c.
.
User: "Steven J."

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 12:08:35 AM
"George Cleveland" <georgecleveland@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
news:22jmc1ptu76a1pkk98le9o5jj902psf57o@4ax.com...

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:24:50 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."
---------------------------------------------------------

Read it at
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050705/ap_on_fe_st/russia_comet_case







J. Spaceman


Am I the only one who has started to wonder if a non-Communist Russia
hasn't been all it was cracked up to be?

I have read (though perhaps the reports are not accurate), that when the
U.S. Defense Department was spending large sums of money researching
military uses for psychic powers, the Soviet Ministry of Defense was
spending much more on the same idea. I'm not convinced that irrationalism
just suddenly broke out after years of Marxist-Leninist repression; I
suspect it was thriving all along (think Lysenko).


g.c.



-- Steven J.
.
User: "John"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 01:06:37 AM
"Steven J." <sjt1957NOSPAM@nts.link.net.INVALID> wrote in message
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"George Cleveland" <georgecleveland@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:24:50 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

snip

J. Spaceman


Am I the only one who has started to wonder if a non-Communist Russia
hasn't been all it was cracked up to be?

I have read (though perhaps the reports are not accurate), that when the
U.S. Defense Department was spending large sums of money researching
military uses for psychic powers, the Soviet Ministry of Defense was
spending much more on the same idea. I'm not convinced that irrationalism
just suddenly broke out after years of Marxist-Leninist repression; I
suspect it was thriving all along (think Lysenko).


I'd always hoped that Russia pumped out the grainy footage of gifted
"psychics" purely to give the U.S the willies, make it think it behind in
the 'psychic arms race" and make it overspend defense money uselessly.
.
User: "Steven J."

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 01:18:26 AM
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"Steven J." <sjt1957NOSPAM@nts.link.net.INVALID> wrote in message
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"George Cleveland" <georgecleveland@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:24:50 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

snip

J. Spaceman


Am I the only one who has started to wonder if a non-Communist Russia
hasn't been all it was cracked up to be?

I have read (though perhaps the reports are not accurate), that when the
U.S. Defense Department was spending large sums of money researching
military uses for psychic powers, the Soviet Ministry of Defense was
spending much more on the same idea. I'm not convinced that
irrationalism just suddenly broke out after years of Marxist-Leninist
repression; I suspect it was thriving all along (think Lysenko).



I'd always hoped that Russia pumped out the grainy footage of gifted
"psychics" purely to give the U.S the willies, make it think it behind in
the 'psychic arms race" and make it overspend defense money uselessly.

Gee, I'd always hoped that (well, the other way around) was the motive
behind the Pentagon's spending on psychic research. But I suspect both
sides were serious.


-- Steven J.
.
User: "John"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 01:52:39 AM
"Steven J." <sjt1957NOSPAM@nts.link.net.INVALID> wrote in message
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"George Cleveland" <georgecleveland@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:24:50 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

snip

J. Spaceman


Am I the only one who has started to wonder if a non-Communist Russia
hasn't been all it was cracked up to be?

I have read (though perhaps the reports are not accurate), that when the
U.S. Defense Department was spending large sums of money researching
military uses for psychic powers, the Soviet Ministry of Defense was
spending much more on the same idea. I'm not convinced that
irrationalism just suddenly broke out after years of Marxist-Leninist
repression; I suspect it was thriving all along (think Lysenko).



I'd always hoped that Russia pumped out the grainy footage of gifted
"psychics" purely to give the U.S the willies, make it think it behind in
the 'psychic arms race" and make it overspend defense money uselessly.

Gee, I'd always hoped that (well, the other way around) was the motive
behind the Pentagon's spending on psychic research. But I suspect both
sides were serious.


-- Steven J.

Perhaps "hoped that" was the wrong term to use. "Wondered if" might be
better. I put the savviness on the side with less money to waste and more
need to create FUD.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 09:10:10 AM
John wrote:

"Steven J." <sjt1957NOSPAM@nts.link.net.INVALID> wrote in message
news:11cmttme9s02v9c@corp.supernews.com...


"John" <junk@junk.com> wrote in message
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"George Cleveland" <georgecleveland@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:24:50 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

snip

J. Spacem


Am I the only one who has started to wonder if a non-Communist Russia
hasn't been all it was cracked up to be?

I have read (though perhaps the reports are not accurate), that when the
U.S. Defense Department was spending large sums of money researching
military uses for psychic powers, the Soviet Ministry of Defense was
spending much more on the same idea. I'm not convinced that
irrationalism just suddenly broke out after years of Marxist-Leninist
repression; I suspect it was thriving all along (think Lysenko).



I'd always hoped that Russia pumped out the grainy footage of gifted
"psychics" purely to give the U.S the willies, make it think it behind in
the 'psychic arms race" and make it overspend defense money uselessly.

Gee, I'd always hoped that (well, the other way around) was the motive
behind the Pentagon's spending on psychic research. But I suspect both
sides were serious.


Perhaps "hoped that" was the wrong term to use. "Wondered if" might be
better. I put the savviness on the side with less money to waste and more
need to create FUD.

The Russians were good at that. One reason US anti-submarine
technology is so good is because, for years, the US thought
there were tens of soviet submarines in the ocean that they
couldn't find. Turns out that all those unfindable submarines
didn't exist - they were faked by Russian spymasters, including
fake intelligence from moles that said where they were. That
didn't stop the US military/industrial complex from working
it's tail off trying to get good enough sensors to find them.
My chemistry professor in college told me of a visit from
US government agents in the early 1960's. They asked him about
something called polywater - a way to make a weapon that could
turn water - maybe even all the water on Earth - into a useless
gel. He told them that such a thing was, as far as could be
determined, chemically impossible. They thanked him, then asked
if he could write up a scientific treatment of how such a thing
would work, if it didn't have that minor problem of not working.
He did so, and they leaked it to a source that they knew would
pass it on to the Russians. Last my old chemistry professor
knew the Russians had spent billions of dollars and the entire
careers of some brilliant scientists trying to keep up in the
"polywater race".
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
.




User: "muldoon"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 01:03:27 AM
Steven J. wrote:

"George Cleveland" <georgecleveland@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
news:22jmc1ptu76a1pkk98le9o5jj902psf57o@4ax.com...

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:24:50 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."
---------------------------------------------------------

Read it at
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050705/ap_on_fe_st/russia_comet_case







J. Spaceman


Am I the only one who has started to wonder if a non-Communist Russia
hasn't been all it was cracked up to be?

I have read (though perhaps the reports are not accurate), that when the
U.S. Defense Department was spending large sums of money researching
military uses for psychic powers, the Soviet Ministry of Defense was
spending much more on the same idea. I'm not convinced that irrationalism
just suddenly broke out after years of Marxist-Leninist repression; I
suspect it was thriving all along (think Lysenko).


g.c.



-- Steven J.

In the 1970s, the Soviets examined the area of "paranormal" based on
the idea that the brain, the nervous system, and even the simplest
forms of organic matter, had a capacity for influence and communication
beyond what was conventionally accepted. Whatever they were, they were
not "kooks."
Hubbard exploited ideas related to the "paranormal," ie. strange
stuff about life we don't yet understand, and phoney "psychics" have
also been hard at work expoiting the same general area.
Scientology really doesn't mind that much when people, critical of
it, and its chronically lying founder, are hard-core "skeptics" and
"the human soul is a delusion" materialists. It feel pretty adept at
"handling" that point-of-view with its PR.
.
User: "John"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 01:56:34 AM
"muldoon" <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:1120629807.110977.40690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Steven J. wrote:

"George Cleveland" <georgecleveland@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
news:22jmc1ptu76a1pkk98le9o5jj902psf57o@4ax.com...

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:24:50 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."
---------------------------------------------------------

Read it at
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050705/ap_on_fe_st/russia_comet_case







J. Spaceman


Am I the only one who has started to wonder if a non-Communist Russia
hasn't been all it was cracked up to be?

I have read (though perhaps the reports are not accurate), that when the
U.S. Defense Department was spending large sums of money researching
military uses for psychic powers, the Soviet Ministry of Defense was
spending much more on the same idea. I'm not convinced that
irrationalism
just suddenly broke out after years of Marxist-Leninist repression; I
suspect it was thriving all along (think Lysenko).


g.c.



-- Steven J.


In the 1970s, the Soviets examined the area of "paranormal" based on
the idea that the brain, the nervous system, and even the simplest
forms of organic matter, had a capacity for influence and communication
beyond what was conventionally accepted. Whatever they were, they were
not "kooks."

Why not? A government grant from a government with only the slightest
understanding of the principals of science to a kook does not make the kook
any less kooky.


Hubbard exploited ideas related to the "paranormal," ie. strange
stuff about life we don't yet understand, and phoney "psychics" have
also been hard at work expoiting the same general area.

Scientology really doesn't mind that much when people, critical of
it, and its chronically lying founder, are hard-core "skeptics" and
"the human soul is a delusion" materialists. It feel pretty adept at
"handling" that point-of-view with its PR.

.

User: "AC"

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 01:43:09 AM
On 5 Jul 2005 23:03:27 -0700,
muldoon <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Steven J. wrote:

"George Cleveland" <georgecleveland@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
news:22jmc1ptu76a1pkk98le9o5jj902psf57o@4ax.com...

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:24:50 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------
MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet
raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit from a
Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact
probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins
the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia
reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case
until late July, the paper said. . . .

.. . .Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million - the approximate
equivalent of the mission's cost - for her "moral sufferings,"
Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told
the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."
---------------------------------------------------------

Read it at
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050705/ap_on_fe_st/russia_comet_case







J. Spaceman


Am I the only one who has started to wonder if a non-Communist Russia
hasn't been all it was cracked up to be?

I have read (though perhaps the reports are not accurate), that when the
U.S. Defense Department was spending large sums of money researching
military uses for psychic powers, the Soviet Ministry of Defense was
spending much more on the same idea. I'm not convinced that irrationalism
just suddenly broke out after years of Marxist-Leninist repression; I
suspect it was thriving all along (think Lysenko).


g.c.



-- Steven J.


In the 1970s, the Soviets examined the area of "paranormal" based on
the idea that the brain, the nervous system, and even the simplest
forms of organic matter, had a capacity for influence and communication
beyond what was conventionally accepted. Whatever they were, they were
not "kooks."

Hubbard exploited ideas related to the "paranormal," ie. strange
stuff about life we don't yet understand, and phoney "psychics" have
also been hard at work expoiting the same general area.

Scientology really doesn't mind that much when people, critical of
it, and its chronically lying founder, are hard-core "skeptics" and
"the human soul is a delusion" materialists. It feel pretty adept at
"handling" that point-of-view with its PR.

And if that doesn't work, they've got their evangelist, Tom "I Jump For
Love" Cruise, who'll gladly tear a strip off of anyone who'll listen
(generally those who get paid to be nice to rich idiots).
Ah my, but I do enjoy $cientologists.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
.


User: ""

Title: Re: In the News: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission 06 Jul 2005 10:59:08 AM
The Pentagon is also doing research into Antigravity devices. How this
squa\tes with General Relativity I just don't know.
.




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