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18 Feb 2006 04:35:46 AM |
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In the News: Bible Guides Tour Museums to Counter Science |
From the article:
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By CATHERINE TSAI
The Associated Press
Friday, February 17, 2006; 7:00 AM
BOULDER, Colo. -- Inside the flagship lab of the National Center of
Atmospheric Research, a dozen home-schooled children and their parents
walk past the offices of scientists grappling with topics from global
warming and microphysics to solar storms and the electrical fields of
lightning.
They are trailing Rusty Carter, a guide with Biblically Correct Tours.
At a large, colorful panel along a wall, Carter reads aloud from a
passage describing the disappearance of dinosaurs from the earth about
65 million years ago. He and some of the older students exchange
knowing smiles at the timeline, which contradicts their interpretation
the Bible suggesting a 6,000-year-old planet.
"Did man and dinosaurs live together?" Carter asks. A timid yes comes
from the students.
"How do we know that to be true?" Carter says. There's a long pause.
"What day did God create dinosaurs on?" he continues.
"Six," says a chorus of voices.
"What day did God create man on?"
"Six."
"Did man and dinosaurs live together?"
"Yes," the students say.
Mission accomplished for Carter, who has been leading such tours since
1988. He and the other guides counter secular interpretations of
history, nature and the origin of life with their own literal reading
of the Bible. And they do so right at the point where they feel they
feel science indoctrinates young people _ museums.
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Read it at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/17/AR2006021700397.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "neverbetter" |
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18 Feb 2006 06:02:47 AM |
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If those kids one day find out how much they have been lied to, it's
going to put their religion in a very odd light. The truth will set you
free, indeed.
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| User: "Ringer" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Bible Guides Tour Museums to Counter Science |
18 Feb 2006 06:14:03 AM |
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"neverbetter" <neverbetter@wildmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140260975.751794.166480@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
If those kids one day find out how much they have been lied to, it's
going to put their religion in a very odd light. The truth will set you
free, indeed.
I doubt it. It seems most of the people leading stuff like this went through
the same education I did. Most of these kids will just stop going to church
but will vote with the block when appealed to by the sons and daughters of
these individuals.
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| User: "Harlequin" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Bible Guides Tour Museums to Counter Science |
18 Feb 2006 11:22:51 PM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:b1ndv19kp1cet77ah7kaso0gcl422eqbte@4ax.com:
[snip]
Mission accomplished for Carter, who has been leading such tours since
1988. He and the other guides counter secular interpretations of
history, nature and the origin of life with their own literal reading
of the Bible. And they do so right at the point where they feel they
feel science indoctrinates young people _ museums.
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Read it at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpdyn/content/article/2006/02/17/AR20060
21700397.html
This group is not the only group that does this sort of thing. The
Creation Truth Foundation (Thomas Sharp's outfit) conducts tours
of the Sam Noble Oklahoma Museum of Natural History.
I am sure that there are plently of other unofficial tours of museums.
If anyone can give specific examples, please post.
Naturally such tours don't encourage the kiddies to
explore the museum on their own, but to only pay attention
to what the creationist tour guides wish them to see.
--
Anti-spam: replace "usenet@sdc." with "harlequin2@"
"Any sufficiently badly-written science is indistinguishable from
magic."
- Aaron Allston
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Bible Guides Tour Museums to Counter Science |
19 Feb 2006 12:35:31 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By CATHERINE TSAI
The Associated Press
Friday, February 17, 2006; 7:00 AM
BOULDER, Colo. -- Inside the flagship lab of the National Center of
Atmospheric Research, a dozen home-schooled children and their parents
walk past the offices of scientists grappling with topics from global
warming and microphysics to solar storms and the electrical fields of
lightning.
They are trailing Rusty Carter, a guide with Biblically Correct Tours.
At a large, colorful panel along a wall, Carter reads aloud from a
passage describing the disappearance of dinosaurs from the earth about
65 million years ago. He and some of the older students exchange
knowing smiles at the timeline, which contradicts their interpretation
the Bible suggesting a 6,000-year-old planet.
"Did man and dinosaurs live together?" Carter asks. A timid yes comes
from the students.
"How do we know that to be true?" Carter says. There's a long pause.
"What day did God create dinosaurs on?" he continues.
"Six," says a chorus of voices.
"What day did God create man on?"
"Six."
"Did man and dinosaurs live together?"
"Yes," the students say.
And yet, amazingly, old cultures and civilizations never painted
"dinosaurs". Not the Chinese, not the Greeks, not the Egyptians, not the
natives of the Americas, nobody. Amazing!
Mission accomplished for Carter, who has been leading such tours since
1988. He and the other guides counter secular interpretations of
history, nature and the origin of life with their own literal reading
of the Bible. And they do so right at the point where they feel they
feel science indoctrinates young people _ museums.
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Read it at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/17/AR2006021700397.html
J. Spaceman
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Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Desertphile" |
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18 Feb 2006 12:21:32 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By CATHERINE TSAI
The Associated Press
Friday, February 17, 2006; 7:00 AM
BOULDER, Colo. -- Inside the flagship lab of the National Center of
Atmospheric Research, a dozen home-schooled children and their parents
walk past the offices of scientists grappling with topics from global
warming and microphysics to solar storms and the electrical fields of
lightning.
They are trailing Rusty Carter, a guide with Biblically Correct Tours.
At a large, colorful panel along a wall, Carter reads aloud from a
passage describing the disappearance of dinosaurs from the earth about
65 million years ago. He and some of the older students exchange
knowing smiles at the timeline, which contradicts their interpretation
the Bible suggesting a 6,000-year-old planet.
Great! I'm all for it. These children can all grow up in ignorance and
stupidityt so that they can eventually get jobs scrubbing the toilets
and floors of the educated. SOME portion of the population has to do
the no-skills work, and if Fundamentalist Christians want to shove
their children into the positions of economic servitude and despair,
well by god(s) those children ought to just accept the fate their
parents have mandated.
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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18 Feb 2006 06:13:16 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By CATHERINE TSAI
The Associated Press
Friday, February 17, 2006; 7:00 AM
BOULDER, Colo. -- Inside the flagship lab of the National Center of
Atmospheric Research, a dozen home-schooled children and their parents
walk past the offices of scientists grappling with topics from global
warming and microphysics to solar storms and the electrical fields of
lightning.
They are trailing Rusty Carter, a guide with Biblically Correct Tours.
At a large, colorful panel along a wall, Carter reads aloud from a
passage describing the disappearance of dinosaurs from the earth about
65 million years ago. He and some of the older students exchange
knowing smiles at the timeline, which contradicts their interpretation
the Bible suggesting a 6,000-year-old planet.
Let me guess - they arrived on the short school bus.
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| User: "Josh M." |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Bible Guides Tour Museums to Counter Science |
18 Feb 2006 03:34:14 PM |
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"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> wrote in message
news:1140264796.525601.126480@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By CATHERINE TSAI
The Associated Press
Friday, February 17, 2006; 7:00 AM
BOULDER, Colo. -- Inside the flagship lab of the National Center of
Atmospheric Research, a dozen home-schooled children and their parents
walk past the offices of scientists grappling with topics from global
warming and microphysics to solar storms and the electrical fields of
lightning.
They are trailing Rusty Carter, a guide with Biblically Correct Tours.
At a large, colorful panel along a wall, Carter reads aloud from a
passage describing the disappearance of dinosaurs from the earth about
65 million years ago. He and some of the older students exchange
knowing smiles at the timeline, which contradicts their interpretation
the Bible suggesting a 6,000-year-old planet.
Let me guess - they arrived on the short school bus.
Hey, it's not their fault that they haven't been properly educated. Poor
kids.
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| User: "Desertphile" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Bible Guides Tour Museums to Counter Science |
18 Feb 2006 12:31:16 PM |
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My letter to the Editor:
To:
Sub: Regarding "Bible Guides Tour Museums to Counter Science"
From the article:
They are trailing Rusty Carter, a guide with Biblically
Correct Tours. At a large, colorful panel along a wall,
Carter reads aloud from a passage describing the
disappearance of dinosaurs from the earth about 65
million years ago. He and some of the older students
exchange knowing smiles at the timeline, which
contradicts their interpretation the Bible suggesting
a 6,000-year-old planet.
Great! I'm all for it. These children can all grow up in ignorance and
stupidity so that they can eventually get jobs scrubbing the toilets
and floors of the educated. SOME portion of the population has to do
the skilless uneducated grunt-labor work, and if Fundamentalist
Christians want to shove their children into the positions of economic
servitude and despair, well by god those children ought to just accept
the horrible fate their parents have mandated.
David Rice
Window Rock, Arizona
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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18 Feb 2006 04:49:41 PM |
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Desertphile wrote:
My letter to the Editor:
To:
Sub: Regarding "Bible Guides Tour Museums to Counter Science"
From the article:
They are trailing Rusty Carter, a guide with Biblically
Correct Tours. At a large, colorful panel along a wall,
Carter reads aloud from a passage describing the
disappearance of dinosaurs from the earth about 65
million years ago. He and some of the older students
exchange knowing smiles at the timeline, which
contradicts their interpretation the Bible suggesting
a 6,000-year-old planet.
Great! I'm all for it. These children can all grow up in ignorance and
stupidity so that they can eventually get jobs scrubbing the toilets
and floors of the educated. SOME portion of the population has to do
the skilless uneducated grunt-labor work, and if Fundamentalist
Christians want to shove their children into the positions of economic
servitude and despair, well by god those children ought to just accept
the horrible fate their parents have mandated.
David Rice
Window Rock, Arizona
I doubt it likely ends that way. I know a great many people that are
undecated in science but successful in business that have very
intelligent people working for them. They are even proud of the fact
that they are not impeded in their success by "educated experts."
I worked in a family-owned company whose patriarch exuded this very
attribute. He has all the toys he wants, a home in Florida, in the
suburbs in Minnesota and a lake home in Northern Minnesota. I think
that these kids will be able to get into the best fraternities and
sororities and skip and hop their way through business school to be the
ones who hire the intellectuals.
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| User: "catshark" |
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18 Feb 2006 08:37:03 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:35:46 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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By CATHERINE TSAI
The Associated Press
Friday, February 17, 2006; 7:00 AM
BOULDER, Colo. -- Inside the flagship lab of the National Center of
Atmospheric Research, a dozen home-schooled children and their parents
walk past the offices of scientists grappling with topics from global
warming and microphysics to solar storms and the electrical fields of
lightning.
They are trailing Rusty Carter, a guide with Biblically Correct Tours.
At a large, colorful panel along a wall, Carter reads aloud from a
passage describing the disappearance of dinosaurs from the earth about
65 million years ago. He and some of the older students exchange
knowing smiles at the timeline, which contradicts their interpretation
the Bible suggesting a 6,000-year-old planet.
"Did man and dinosaurs live together?" Carter asks. A timid yes comes
from the students.
"How do we know that to be true?" Carter says. There's a long pause.
"What day did God create dinosaurs on?" he continues.
"Six," says a chorus of voices.
"What day did God create man on?"
"Six."
"Did man and dinosaurs live together?"
"Yes," the students say.
Mission accomplished for Carter, who has been leading such tours since
1988. He and the other guides counter secular interpretations of
history, nature and the origin of life with their own literal reading
of the Bible. And they do so right at the point where they feel they
feel science indoctrinates young people _ museums.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/17/AR2006021700397.html
I am reminded of the line from _Inherit the Wind_:
". . . fanaticism and ignorance is forever busy, and needs feeding."
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J. Pieret
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[C]reation is a word pretending knowledge and feigning reverence.
- Chauncey Wright -
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| User: "Cyde Weys" |
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18 Feb 2006 02:14:15 PM |
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Sayeth Jason Spaceman:
"Did man and dinosaurs live together?" Carter asks. A timid yes comes
from the students.
"How do we know that to be true?" Carter says. There's a long pause.
"What day did God create dinosaurs on?" he continues.
"Six," says a chorus of voices.
"What day did God create man on?"
"Six."
"Did man and dinosaurs live together?"
"Yes," the students say.
Those poor, poor kids. Carter is guilty of child abuse.
--
~ Cyde Weys ~
Sub veste quisque nudus est.
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20 Feb 2006 08:22:36 PM |
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Sayeth Jason Spaceman:
From the article:
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By CATHERINE TSAI
The Associated Press
Friday, February 17, 2006; 7:00 AM
BOULDER, Colo. -- Inside the flagship lab of the National Center of
Atmospheric Research, a dozen home-schooled children and their parents
walk past the offices of scientists grappling with topics from global
warming and microphysics to solar storms and the electrical fields of
lightning.
They are trailing Rusty Carter, a guide with Biblically Correct Tours.
At a large, colorful panel along a wall, Carter reads aloud from a
passage describing the disappearance of dinosaurs from the earth about
65 million years ago. He and some of the older students exchange
knowing smiles at the timeline, which contradicts their interpretation
the Bible suggesting a 6,000-year-old planet.
One thing that occurs to me is that this is a public museum, so you have
every right to be in there as this faux tour guide does. Don't pay him any
money (of course!), but just follow around in his tour group. He can't
stop you just because you didn't pay him. And then point out every little
thing he says that's wrong. What can he do? He can't have you ejected
from the museum or anything. You could totally ruin his little propaganda
run and maybe educate some people in the process. Hell, he has a website,
right? Check out the times of his scheduled tours and go for a tag-along
:-)
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~ Cyde Weys ~
Sub veste quisque nudus est.
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