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"Jason Spaceman" |
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18 Jan 2005 03:39:52 AM |
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In the News: Cobb Votes To Appeal Ruling |
From the article:
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Evolution Sticker Battle Will Continue
Channel 2 Action News
In a 5-2 vote Monday night, the Cobb County school board voted to
appeal a federal judge's ruling against textbook stickers alerting
students that evolution is a theory.
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Read it at http://www.wsbtv.com/news/4092255/detail.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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18 Jan 2005 02:53:46 PM |
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In our last episode <n41pu09a50e3nhp0ui7vf47gtmesilakb7@4ax.com>, Jason
Spaceman lept out of the bushes shouting:
From the article:
---------------------------------------------------- Evolution Sticker
Battle Will Continue Channel 2 Action News
In a 5-2 vote Monday night, the Cobb County school board voted to appeal a
federal judge's ruling against textbook stickers alerting students that
evolution is a theory.
Well, long as they keep their priorities straight and spend tax dollars on
a silly lawsuit so it can't be wasted on educating the kids...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Féachadóir" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Cobb Votes To Appeal Ruling |
18 Jan 2005 02:24:17 PM |
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Scríobh Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Evolution Sticker Battle Will Continue
Channel 2 Action News
In a 5-2 vote Monday night, the Cobb County school board voted to
appeal a federal judge's ruling against textbook stickers alerting
students that evolution is a theory.
How much will this cost the taxpayers of Cobb county? How many
teachers could be hired, or textbooks bought, with the money this
wastes on legal fees? Is anyone in Cobb asking these questions?
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"Ná sáruigther Seinglenn
aitreb na lec nime"
© Féachadóir
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Jan 2005 06:56:42 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:24:17 +0000, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> said in
alt.atheism:
How much will this cost the taxpayers of Cobb county? How many
teachers could be hired, or textbooks bought, with the money this
wastes on legal fees? Is anyone in Cobb asking these questions?
As long as evil atheists don't get to force their godless religion on
the kids, who cares?
What's more important? Keeping the kids' souls pure or educating
them?
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"Damn. Looks like all of usenet agrees that you don't have the logical
faculties to prove the statement 'dogshit is not peanut butter' if we
gave you a jar of each and a box of crackers" - John Hattan to Tichy
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "stoney" |
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21 Jan 2005 05:59:27 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:24:17 +0000, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
Scríobh Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Evolution Sticker Battle Will Continue
Channel 2 Action News
In a 5-2 vote Monday night, the Cobb County school board voted to
appeal a federal judge's ruling against textbook stickers alerting
students that evolution is a theory.
How much will this cost the taxpayers of Cobb county? How many
teachers could be hired, or textbooks bought, with the money this
wastes on legal fees? Is anyone in Cobb asking these questions?
Probably not, superstition uber alles.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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18 Jan 2005 04:20:56 AM |
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Who is doing the REAL work of the Cobb County School Board, while this
board tinkers with science textbooks?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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18 Jan 2005 02:54:14 PM |
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In our last episode
<1106022056.827048.322910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Roger Coppock
lept out of the bushes shouting:
Who is doing the REAL work of the Cobb County School Board, while this
board tinkers with science textbooks?
And how many cuts in actual education will all this spending on lawyers
produce?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Robert Grumbine" |
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19 Jan 2005 12:41:31 PM |
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In article <x7GdnVRjxpN4vHDcRVn-sg@megapath.net>,
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<1106022056.827048.322910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Roger Coppock
lept out of the bushes shouting:
Who is doing the REAL work of the Cobb County School Board, while this
board tinkers with science textbooks?
And how many cuts in actual education will all this spending on lawyers
produce?
According to the school board, and the people who (re)elected
them, this sticker is a higher educational concern than what you
(and I) call 'actual education'. The voters, in majority, are
happy with this. It reflects their priorities.
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Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Jan 2005 03:27:12 PM |
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In our last episode <10uslbrq697sp55@corp.supernews.com>, Robert Grumbine
lept out of the bushes shouting:
In article <x7GdnVRjxpN4vHDcRVn-sg@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<1106022056.827048.322910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Roger Coppock
lept out of the bushes shouting:
Who is doing the REAL work of the Cobb County School Board, while this
board tinkers with science textbooks?
And how many cuts in actual education will all this spending on lawyers
produce?
According to the school board, and the people who (re)elected
them, this sticker is a higher educational concern than what you (and I)
call 'actual education'. The voters, in majority, are happy with this.
It reflects their priorities.
Yep.
Third world? Here we come!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "rich hammett" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Cobb Votes To Appeal Ruling |
19 Jan 2005 05:12:48 PM |
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In talk.origins Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
In our last episode <10uslbrq697sp55@corp.supernews.com>, Robert Grumbine
lept out of the bushes shouting:
In article <x7GdnVRjxpN4vHDcRVn-sg@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<1106022056.827048.322910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Roger Coppock
lept out of the bushes shouting:
Who is doing the REAL work of the Cobb County School Board, while this
board tinkers with science textbooks?
And how many cuts in actual education will all this spending on lawyers
produce?
According to the school board, and the people who (re)elected
them, this sticker is a higher educational concern than what you (and I)
call 'actual education'. The voters, in majority, are happy with this.
It reflects their priorities.
Yep.
Third world? Here we come!
Here _I_ come. I'm planning a move to the Atlanta area
this year. Maybe I can avoid it somehow...
rich
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| User: "rich hammett" |
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18 Jan 2005 04:36:37 AM |
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In talk.origins Roger Coppock <rcoppock@adnc.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Who is doing the REAL work of the Cobb County School Board, while this
board tinkers with science textbooks?
"God made the idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board."
rich
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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18 Jan 2005 04:31:01 AM |
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Roger Coppock <rcoppock@adnc.com> wrote:
Who is doing the REAL work of the Cobb County School Board, while this
board tinkers with science textbooks?
As always, the teachers...
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John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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| User: "david ford" |
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19 Feb 2005 02:01:50 AM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
Roger Coppock <rcoppock@adnc.com> wrote:
Who is doing the REAL work of the Cobb County School Board, while this
board tinkers with science textbooks?
As always, the teachers...
Dawkins favors teaching of both design & evolution arguments
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.21L.01.0011250952260.615582-100000%40irix1.gl.umbc.edu
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| User: "josephus" |
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19 Feb 2005 06:14:35 AM |
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david ford wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
Roger Coppock <rcoppock@adnc.com> wrote:
Who is doing the REAL work of the Cobb County School Board, while this
board tinkers with science textbooks?
As always, the teachers...
Dawkins favors teaching of both design & evolution arguments
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.21L.01.0011250952260.615582-100000%40irix1.gl.umbc.edu
This statement is a bald face lie. That is not what Dawkins said. He
said Creation Myths of all kinds deserve as much time as the
judeo-christian mythos. You are practicing to be a spin doctor --
someone that gets paid to lie.
josephus
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| User: "Ian H Spedding" |
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19 Feb 2005 09:09:06 AM |
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"josephus" <dogbird@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:fPARd.678$873.164@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
david ford wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
Roger Coppock <rcoppock@adnc.com> wrote:
Who is doing the REAL work of the Cobb County School Board, while this
board tinkers with science textbooks?
As always, the teachers...
Dawkins favors teaching of both design & evolution arguments
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.21L.01.0011250952260.615582-100000%40irix1.gl.umbc.edu
This statement is a bald face lie. That is not what Dawkins said. He
said Creation Myths of all kinds deserve as much time as the
judeo-christian mythos. You are practicing to be a spin doctor --
someone that gets paid to lie.
I think we all know that Dawkins has made his views on this crystal clear.
One point has occured to me, though. IDC proponents often argue that
"evolutionism" is as much a faith as other religions. If that's the case
then shouldn't we be demanding equal time for evolution in the religious
education classes?
Ian
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Ian H Spedding
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| User: "Homer Sapiens" |
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18 Jan 2005 03:37:19 PM |
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You wonder what the motivation might be for the members of the schoold
board? The reasons listed in the judges opinion of encouraging critical
thinking, etc. could be accomplished without the need for a sticker in
the book. A teacher should be encouraging critical thinking everyday in
each class topic and exercise. Therefore, the teachers and the
schoolboard do not need these stickers to accomplish their stated
purposes within the classroom. The teachers really didn't need these
stickers to accomplish the purposes they stated. The only purpose that
these stickers serve is to placate a group of parents that feel uneasy
with the topic of evolution due to their religious beliefs. By
adamantly requiring that these stickers remain, a "reasonable
observer" would recognize that the school board is doing nothing more
than fighting the fight for those that want evolution diminished so as
to elevate their religious viewpoint. I suggest they read the 2nd and
3rd parts of the "Lemon Test" very closely before wasting too much time
upon appeal.
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18 Jan 2005 05:55:08 PM |
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Homer Sapiens wrote:
You wonder what the motivation might be for the members of the
schoold
board?
I suspect they hope to draw out the appeal until all the moderate
judges die/retire and are replaced by conservative activists who will
validate that we are indeed a Theocracy.
HB
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| User: "rich hammett" |
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18 Jan 2005 07:31:01 PM |
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In talk.origins Homer Sapiens <ejsparks@tvscable.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
You wonder what the motivation might be for the members of the schoold
board? The reasons listed in the judges opinion of encouraging critical
thinking, etc. could be accomplished without the need for a sticker in
the book. A teacher should be encouraging critical thinking everyday in
each class topic and exercise. Therefore, the teachers and the
schoolboard do not need these stickers to accomplish their stated
purposes within the classroom. The teachers really didn't need these
stickers to accomplish the purposes they stated. The only purpose that
these stickers serve is to placate a group of parents that feel uneasy
with the topic of evolution due to their religious beliefs. By
adamantly requiring that these stickers remain, a "reasonable
observer" would recognize that the school board is doing nothing more
than fighting the fight for those that want evolution diminished so as
to elevate their religious viewpoint. I suggest they read the 2nd and
3rd parts of the "Lemon Test" very closely before wasting too much time
upon appeal.
I don't know about these plaintiffs, but I believe they have
spoken with Judge Roy Moore a few times on these subjects. Moore's
entire purpose with his 10 Commandments' Monument was to directly
challenge Lemon. He has been encouraged by such legal luminaries
as Bill Pryor and Clarence Thomas, although not, notably, Antonin
Scalia or Rehnquist, who for some reason think precedent is still
important.
Their true goal is overturning Lemon, and the precedents behind
it, along, of course, with Roe v Wade.
Some of their cases will be fought on States' Rights grounds,
others on Free Exercise, but their eventual goal stays the same.
rich
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