Religions > Atheism > In the News: Creation museum gets a boost even from negative news
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In the News: Creation museum gets a boost even from negative news |
From the article:
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By Peggy Kreimer
Post staff reporter
It doesn't matter what you say; just spell my name right.
That Hollywood maxim is getting a religious twist as developers of the
Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky find themselves featured more and
more in national and international media reports -- many of which mock
the museum's contention that the Biblical version of creation is
scientifically, as well as theologically, correct.
The latest mention of Answers in Genesis' Creation Museum project in
Petersburg, Ky., came from nationally syndicated columnist Maureen
Dowd this week. In a column titled "Inherit the Windbags" on the
opinion page of Thursday's New York Times, she derided the Creation
Museum and President George Bush's actions as signs America is
regressing.
Dowd poked mild fun at the museum's contention that the Bible's
version of creation is the absolute, literal truth, down to the exact
number of 24-hour days that God used to create the earth; the belief
that earth is much younger than mainstream scientists believe; and
that Adam was not only alive to see dinosaurs, he named them.
"We've been blessed with a lot of publicity," said Answers in Genesis
vice president Mark Looy.
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Read it at http://www.cincypost.com/2005/02/04/creat020405.html
J. Spaceman
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04 Feb 2005 08:55:48 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By Peggy Kreimer
Post staff reporter
It doesn't matter what you say; just spell my name right.
That Hollywood maxim is getting a religious twist as developers of
the
Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky find themselves featured more
and
more in national and international media reports -- many of which
mock
the museum's contention that the Biblical version of creation is
scientifically, as well as theologically, correct.
The latest mention of Answers in Genesis' Creation Museum project in
Petersburg, Ky., came from nationally syndicated columnist Maureen
Dowd this week. In a column titled "Inherit the Windbags" on the
opinion page of Thursday's New York Times, she derided the Creation
Museum and President George Bush's actions as signs America is
regressing.
Dowd poked mild fun at the museum's contention that the Bible's
version of creation is the absolute, literal truth, down to the exact
number of 24-hour days that God used to create the earth; the belief
that earth is much younger than mainstream scientists believe; and
that Adam was not only alive to see dinosaurs, he named them.
"We've been blessed with a lot of publicity," said Answers in Genesis
vice president Mark Looy.
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Read it at http://www.cincypost.com/2005/02/04/creat020405.html
They probably should just erect a large stature of a dollar sign out
front. From my viewpoint, that appears to be what all this sudden
revival of "religion" is about.
HB
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04 Feb 2005 09:21:30 PM |
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wrote in
news:1107572148.748165.303680@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By Peggy Kreimer
Post staff reporter
It doesn't matter what you say; just spell my name right.
That Hollywood maxim is getting a religious twist as developers of
the
Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky find themselves featured more
and
more in national and international media reports -- many of which
mock
the museum's contention that the Biblical version of creation is
scientifically, as well as theologically, correct.
The latest mention of Answers in Genesis' Creation Museum project in
Petersburg, Ky., came from nationally syndicated columnist Maureen
Dowd this week. In a column titled "Inherit the Windbags" on the
opinion page of Thursday's New York Times, she derided the Creation
Museum and President George Bush's actions as signs America is
regressing.
Dowd poked mild fun at the museum's contention that the Bible's
version of creation is the absolute, literal truth, down to the exact
number of 24-hour days that God used to create the earth; the belief
that earth is much younger than mainstream scientists believe; and
that Adam was not only alive to see dinosaurs, he named them.
"We've been blessed with a lot of publicity," said Answers in Genesis
vice president Mark Looy.
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Read it at http://www.cincypost.com/2005/02/04/creat020405.html
They probably should just erect a large stature of a dollar sign out
front. From my viewpoint, that appears to be what all this sudden
revival of "religion" is about.
What do you base that on?
I really should point out that as much money goes through AiG, most
of those involved could be making a Hell of a lot more money
in the commercial sector of the economy. Does anyone doubt that
Ken Ham could go places in a marketing career? After all, marketing
is what AiG is about. It certainly ain't sciece.
People really need to consider that though they might be willing
twist the facts, these people really do believe what they are
saying.
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04 Feb 2005 09:44:35 PM |
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Harlequin wrote:
hbarwood@troyst.edu wrote in
news:1107572148.748165.303680@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------
By Peggy Kreimer
Post staff reporter
It doesn't matter what you say; just spell my name right.
That Hollywood maxim is getting a religious twist as developers of
the
Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky find themselves featured more
and
more in national and international media reports -- many of which
mock
the museum's contention that the Biblical version of creation is
scientifically, as well as theologically, correct.
The latest mention of Answers in Genesis' Creation Museum project
in
Petersburg, Ky., came from nationally syndicated columnist Maureen
Dowd this week. In a column titled "Inherit the Windbags" on the
opinion page of Thursday's New York Times, she derided the
Creation
Museum and President George Bush's actions as signs America is
regressing.
Dowd poked mild fun at the museum's contention that the Bible's
version of creation is the absolute, literal truth, down to the
exact
number of 24-hour days that God used to create the earth; the
belief
that earth is much younger than mainstream scientists believe; and
that Adam was not only alive to see dinosaurs, he named them.
"We've been blessed with a lot of publicity," said Answers in
Genesis
vice president Mark Looy.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.cincypost.com/2005/02/04/creat020405.html
They probably should just erect a large stature of a dollar sign
out
front. From my viewpoint, that appears to be what all this sudden
revival of "religion" is about.
What do you base that on?
I really should point out that as much money goes through AiG, most
of those involved could be making a Hell of a lot more money
in the commercial sector of the economy. Does anyone doubt that
Ken Ham could go places in a marketing career? After all, marketing
is what AiG is about. It certainly ain't sciece.
People really need to consider that though they might be willing
twist the facts, these people really do believe what they are
saying.
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is."
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It is my personal belief that they (or at least most of them) don't
believe their spew. They are in it for the control over the sheep it
gives them as well as money. I had a neighbor who said that he had
considered going into the business for the money. After all, no
overhead to begin with, easy to get started, etc.
Harry K
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04 Feb 2005 11:56:33 PM |
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:21:30 GMT, Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> said
in alt.atheism:
I really should point out that as much money goes through AiG, most
of those involved could be making a Hell of a lot more money
in the commercial sector of the economy. Does anyone doubt that
Ken Ham could go places in a marketing career?
But then he'd actually have to work and actually produce results.
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"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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05 Feb 2005 02:07:16 AM |
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In article <gvn8011ss3unnrcla6mbhbf95hdep66d33@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:21:30 GMT, Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> said
in alt.atheism:
I really should point out that as much money goes through AiG, most
of those involved could be making a Hell of a lot more money
in the commercial sector of the economy. Does anyone doubt that
Ken Ham could go places in a marketing career?
But then he'd actually have to work and actually produce results.
Not to mention that he would have to have a worthwhile product to sell.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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06 Feb 2005 10:35:57 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
A39E06.00071605022005@news.giganews.com:
In article <gvn8011ss3unnrcla6mbhbf95hdep66d33@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:21:30 GMT, Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> said
in alt.atheism:
I really should point out that as much money goes through AiG, most
of those involved could be making a Hell of a lot more money
in the commercial sector of the economy. Does anyone doubt that
Ken Ham could go places in a marketing career?
But then he'd actually have to work and actually produce results.
Actually he has produced results. His results are not scientific
results, but he has indeed has produced results.
Not to mention that he would have to have a worthwhile product to sell.
The market does not not care what the tiny part of the population that
is scientifically literate cares in these matters. They are
selling many books ,etc. The scientific value of all of these
is zero. But the political and economic value of them is most
definately not zero.
Folks, I think a great many people in this newsgroup are not being
very smart about their opinions of these people. Most every
one of them could have had easier lives by going into some other
career. No matter how bad their science is, they are not
living a carefree life. They working hard and working long hours
to wage their jihad against evolution. They are not, as a general
rule of thumb, spending their time in the county club, etc.
These people really do, with a few _possible_ exceptions believe
the Earth is young, evolution is false, etc. In many ways the
people they are lying the most to are themselves. Remember
Glenn Morton's demon?
And folks, there is a consequence to pro-science people dismissing
anti-evolutionists as being in it for the money: science loses
in the political struggle. Indeed, in much of the country
science is losing very badly and indeed the only thing keeping
the anti-evolutionists from winnng altogether is the rulings of
the Supreme Court.
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06 Feb 2005 02:15:15 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:35:57 GMT, Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> said
in alt.atheism:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
A39E06.00071605022005@news.giganews.com:
In article <gvn8011ss3unnrcla6mbhbf95hdep66d33@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:21:30 GMT, Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> said
in alt.atheism:
I really should point out that as much money goes through AiG, most
of those involved could be making a Hell of a lot more money
in the commercial sector of the economy. Does anyone doubt that
Ken Ham could go places in a marketing career?
But then he'd actually have to work and actually produce results.
Actually he has produced results. His results are not scientific
results, but he has indeed has produced results.
Not to mention that he would have to have a worthwhile product to sell.
The market does not not care what the tiny part of the population that
is scientifically literate cares in these matters. They are
selling many books ,etc. The scientific value of all of these
is zero. But the political and economic value of them is most
definately not zero.
I was commenting on your comment that he could go out and get a job
marketing a real product.
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moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
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06 Feb 2005 06:24:24 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:ijuc01pecmn7g55i0tshgq0cjbjjpl9o40@4ax.com:
I was commenting on your comment that he could go out and get a job
marketing a real product.
Okay.
Ham does have a practical problem: lack of conventional marketing
experience. But he does have the skills in this regard. If he
had choosen that route when he started all this he could have
done very well. He clearly has people skills and can administer
a large organizations. Those are skill which are marketable
in many places.
We are fooling outselves if we are going to dismiss
the anti-evolutionists as people with little abilities.
Sure Ham is scientifically illiterate, but so is the
vast majority of the rest of the population. Further
more being scientific illiterate does not mean one lacks
skills.
We are also fooling ourselves if we don't think that
the vast majority of anti-evolutionists really are
anti-evolutionists.
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06 Feb 2005 11:46:59 PM |
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In article <Xns95F5BB1753DCBusenet123mmcablecom@68.12.19.6>,
Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:ijuc01pecmn7g55i0tshgq0cjbjjpl9o40@4ax.com:
I was commenting on your comment that he could go out and get a job
marketing a real product.
Okay.
Ham does have a practical problem: lack of conventional marketing
experience. But he does have the skills in this regard. If he
had choosen that route when he started all this he could have
done very well. He clearly has people skills and can administer
a large organizations. Those are skill which are marketable
in many places.
We are fooling outselves if we are going to dismiss
the anti-evolutionists as people with little abilities.
Sure Ham is scientifically illiterate, but so is the
vast majority of the rest of the population. Further
more being scientific illiterate does not mean one lacks
skills.
We are also fooling ourselves if we don't think that
the vast majority of anti-evolutionists really are
anti-evolutionists.
They are anti-evolutionists. However, they probably consider themselves
part of the larger ultraconservative,evangelical fundamentalist
Christian movement often called the 'Religious Right'. What they really
want is not so much religious orthodoxy, but political power. They are
skilled at what they do, very clever, and very well funded. They have
already infiltrated our (US) government. they will not rest until they
impose their idea of a 'Christian Nation' on the rest of us, or possibly
the rest of the world.
We need to stop them, but it won't be easy. Even if we win the
scientific battles, we still may end up losing the war.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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07 Feb 2005 07:01:49 PM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D166E9.21465906022005@news.giganews.com:
[snip]
They are anti-evolutionists. However, they probably consider themselves
part of the larger ultraconservative,evangelical fundamentalist
Christian movement often called the 'Religious Right'. What they really
want is not so much religious orthodoxy, but political power. They are
skilled at what they do, very clever, and very well funded. They have
already infiltrated our (US) government. they will not rest until they
impose their idea of a 'Christian Nation' on the rest of us, or possibly
the rest of the world.
We need to stop them, but it won't be easy. Even if we win the
scientific battles, we still may end up losing the war.
I agree for the most part. Though I might point out that they
are not completely uniform in their beliefs. Many rank and
file anti-evolutionists are not interested in the "Christain
Nation" bit and we might be able to put in a bit of a wedge between
them the radical factions. Also remember that leaders of any movement
tend to be more radical than those on the street that might be
sympathetic.
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08 Feb 2005 01:05:01 AM |
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In article <Xns95F6C153BF92Ausenet123mmcablecom@68.12.19.6>,
Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D166E9.21465906022005@news.giganews.com:
[snip]
They are anti-evolutionists. However, they probably consider themselves
part of the larger ultraconservative,evangelical fundamentalist
Christian movement often called the 'Religious Right'. What they really
want is not so much religious orthodoxy, but political power. They are
skilled at what they do, very clever, and very well funded. They have
already infiltrated our (US) government. they will not rest until they
impose their idea of a 'Christian Nation' on the rest of us, or possibly
the rest of the world.
We need to stop them, but it won't be easy. Even if we win the
scientific battles, we still may end up losing the war.
I agree for the most part. Though I might point out that they
are not completely uniform in their beliefs. Many rank and
file anti-evolutionists are not interested in the "Christain
Nation" bit and we might be able to put in a bit of a wedge between
them the radical factions. Also remember that leaders of any movement
tend to be more radical than those on the street that might be
sympathetic.
I was referring to the leaders more than the rank and file.
Unfortunately, many of the rank and file would rather be led that think
for themselves. The one good thing is that many of these people are also
conservative (with a small "c") and would resist any drastic changes to
the Constitution or our form of government.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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08 Feb 2005 04:28:02 PM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-98C5FD.23050107022005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95F6C153BF92Ausenet123mmcablecom@68.12.19.6>,
Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D166E9.21465906022005@news.giganews.com:
[snip]
They are anti-evolutionists. However, they probably consider
themselves part of the larger ultraconservative,evangelical
fundamentalist Christian movement often called the 'Religious
Right'. What they really want is not so much religious orthodoxy,
but political power. They are skilled at what they do, very clever,
and very well funded. They have already infiltrated our (US)
government. they will not rest until they impose their idea of a
'Christian Nation' on the rest of us, or possibly the rest of the
world.
We need to stop them, but it won't be easy. Even if we win the
scientific battles, we still may end up losing the war.
I agree for the most part. Though I might point out that they
are not completely uniform in their beliefs. Many rank and
file anti-evolutionists are not interested in the "Christain
Nation" bit and we might be able to put in a bit of a wedge between
them the radical factions. Also remember that leaders of any
movement tend to be more radical than those on the street that might
be sympathetic.
I was referring to the leaders more than the rank and file.
Unfortunately, many of the rank and file would rather be led that
think for themselves. The one good thing is that many of these people
are also conservative (with a small "c") and would resist any drastic
changes to the Constitution or our form of government.
I might point out that we really do need to think in terms of
their rank-and-file instead of the leaders. We are not going
to convert their leaders. Nor is any meaningful dialog
even possible the vast majority of their leaders given their nature.
It is the regular folks who need our attention. We need to address
their concerns. And we must be careful that our rhetoric does not
create wedges between them and us while we try to put wedges
between them and their dogmatic and radical leadership.
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09 Feb 2005 12:17:26 AM |
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In article <Xns95F7A73E4BA3Cusenet123mmcablecom@68.12.19.6>,
Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-98C5FD.23050107022005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95F6C153BF92Ausenet123mmcablecom@68.12.19.6>,
Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D166E9.21465906022005@news.giganews.com:
[snip]
They are anti-evolutionists. However, they probably consider
themselves part of the larger ultraconservative,evangelical
fundamentalist Christian movement often called the 'Religious
Right'. What they really want is not so much religious orthodoxy,
but political power. They are skilled at what they do, very clever,
and very well funded. They have already infiltrated our (US)
government. they will not rest until they impose their idea of a
'Christian Nation' on the rest of us, or possibly the rest of the
world.
We need to stop them, but it won't be easy. Even if we win the
scientific battles, we still may end up losing the war.
I agree for the most part. Though I might point out that they
are not completely uniform in their beliefs. Many rank and
file anti-evolutionists are not interested in the "Christain
Nation" bit and we might be able to put in a bit of a wedge between
them the radical factions. Also remember that leaders of any
movement tend to be more radical than those on the street that might
be sympathetic.
I was referring to the leaders more than the rank and file.
Unfortunately, many of the rank and file would rather be led that
think for themselves. The one good thing is that many of these people
are also conservative (with a small "c") and would resist any drastic
changes to the Constitution or our form of government.
I might point out that we really do need to think in terms of
their rank-and-file instead of the leaders. We are not going
to convert their leaders. Nor is any meaningful dialog
even possible the vast majority of their leaders given their nature.
It is the regular folks who need our attention. We need to address
their concerns. And we must be careful that our rhetoric does not
create wedges between them and us while we try to put wedges
between them and their dogmatic and radical leadership.
I find many of the rank and file to be quite reasonable and even
tolerant when you speak to them bout other matters. However their
leaders manipulate them. They create false fears to mobilize the
followers to political action. I think that we need to politely point
this out. I don't think that we should alienate them. We need to educate
them as to what science and evolution are and are not.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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05 Feb 2005 09:47:16 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <gvn8011ss3unnrcla6mbhbf95hdep66d33@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:21:30 GMT, Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> said
in alt.atheism:
I really should point out that as much money goes through AiG, most
of those involved could be making a Hell of a lot more money
in the commercial sector of the economy. Does anyone doubt that
Ken Ham could go places in a marketing career?
But then he'd actually have to work and actually produce results.
Not to mention that he would have to have a worthwhile product to sell.
And organized religions are conveniently exempt from false advertising
claims.
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Richard Clayton
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06 Feb 2005 02:16:42 AM |
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In article <36k840F535eq7U1@individual.net>,
Richard Clayton <reZIGclayZIGton@verizon.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <gvn8011ss3unnrcla6mbhbf95hdep66d33@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:21:30 GMT, Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> said
in alt.atheism:
I really should point out that as much money goes through AiG, most
of those involved could be making a Hell of a lot more money
in the commercial sector of the economy. Does anyone doubt that
Ken Ham could go places in a marketing career?
But then he'd actually have to work and actually produce results.
Not to mention that he would have to have a worthwhile product to sell.
And organized religions are conveniently exempt from false advertising
claims.
If they weren't, none of them would have ever gotten started (which
wouldn't be such a bad thing.)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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05 Feb 2005 09:56:43 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <gvn8011ss3unnrcla6mbhbf95hdep66d33@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:21:30 GMT, Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> said
in alt.atheism:
I really should point out that as much money goes through AiG, most
of those involved could be making a Hell of a lot more money
in the commercial sector of the economy. Does anyone doubt that
Ken Ham could go places in a marketing career?
But then he'd actually have to work and actually produce results.
Not to mention that he would have to have a worthwhile product to sell.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Not necessarily. The most creative marketing goes into selling
things people don't really need. How much marketing do you
see for flour and eggs compared with the ads you see for
candy bars?
Best, Marc
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| User: "johac" |
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06 Feb 2005 02:15:23 AM |
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In article <4204ECB7.18AA7134@athena.louisville.edu>,
Marc Satterwhite <mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <gvn8011ss3unnrcla6mbhbf95hdep66d33@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:21:30 GMT, Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> said
in alt.atheism:
I really should point out that as much money goes through AiG, most
of those involved could be making a Hell of a lot more money
in the commercial sector of the economy. Does anyone doubt that
Ken Ham could go places in a marketing career?
But then he'd actually have to work and actually produce results.
Not to mention that he would have to have a worthwhile product to sell.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Not necessarily. The most creative marketing goes into selling
things people don't really need. How much marketing do you
see for flour and eggs compared with the ads you see for
candy bars?
Best, Marc
On second thought, you are right, there are a lot of non discerning
consumers out there who will buy any crap that they see advertised on
TV. Ham would have it easier since his customer base would have already
shown it's gullibility by buying the rest of the nonsense in the Wholly
Babble.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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05 Feb 2005 10:13:47 AM |
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Marc Satterwhite wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <gvn8011ss3unnrcla6mbhbf95hdep66d33@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:21:30 GMT, Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net>
said
in alt.atheism:
I really should point out that as much money goes through AiG,
most
of those involved could be making a Hell of a lot more money
in the commercial sector of the economy. Does anyone doubt that
Ken Ham could go places in a marketing career?
But then he'd actually have to work and actually produce results.
Not to mention that he would have to have a worthwhile product to
sell.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Not necessarily. The most creative marketing goes into selling
things people don't really need. How much marketing do you
see for flour and eggs compared with the ads you see for
candy bars?
Best, Marc
What we need is a Campaign for Real Science and Religion, along the
lines of CAMRA in the UK.
For those who haven't heard of CAMRA, this is the Campaign for Real
Ale. Back in the 1970's the big breweries were buying up all the pubs
and making them sell vaguely alcoholic beer-flavoured drinks such as
the infamous and unmourned 'Watneys Red'. The idea the breweries had
was to produce this foul liquid in vast quantities and persuade the
British public that this was what beer was supposed to taste like by a
huge marketting campaign.
In 1972 there were only 4 pubs left in the country which brewed their
own beer.
CAMRA organised a huge wave of popular protest against the marketting
strategies of the big corporations, and through vigourous campaigning
turned the tide against the big manufactures of alcohol and revitalised
local small-scale breweries. There are now hundreds of such breweries,
producing a wide range of great beers each distinctively different. One
of the pubs I visit regularly in Leicester serves at least 12 such
brews at any one time, and changes them almost each week. This can be a
bit frustrating: you have a pint of a beer you enjoy, but the following
week it's gone again. The upside is that I have never had a beer there
I didn't enjoy.
Bearing in mind that the product creationists are selling is a
combination of ersatz science and ersatz religion, and they are trying
to market it as the 'real thing', as return to the roots of both will
show them to be guilty of false advertising.
RF
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Feb 2005 12:49:25 PM |
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On 5 Feb 2005 08:13:47 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> said in alt.atheism:
local small-scale breweries. There are now hundreds of such breweries,
producing a wide range of great beers each distinctively different. One
of the pubs I visit regularly in Leicester serves at least 12 such
brews at any one time, and changes them almost each week. This can be a
bit frustrating: you have a pint of a beer you enjoy, but the following
week it's gone again. The upside is that I have never had a beer there
I didn't enjoy.
Totally off-topic, but in the US we have brew pubs that brew their
own. It's a fairly new phenomenon - a couple of decades old. Each
usually has a regular stock of things they brew and a stock they
rotate through, like a pumpkin ale ready for October or a Christmas
ale. Never anything undrinkable, and a few notable brews. I don't
drink dark beer, but one of the local pubs brews a chocolate stout
that's like drinking beer-flavored chocolate. Delicious. And one in
Western North Carolina has one of the best IPAs I've ever had. I'd
like to find a grapefruit with as much grapefruit flavor.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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05 Feb 2005 01:10:23 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 08:13:47 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> said in alt.atheism:
local small-scale breweries. There are now hundreds of such
breweries,
producing a wide range of great beers each distinctively different.
One
of the pubs I visit regularly in Leicester serves at least 12 such
brews at any one time, and changes them almost each week. This can
be a
bit frustrating: you have a pint of a beer you enjoy, but the
following
week it's gone again. The upside is that I have never had a beer
there
I didn't enjoy.
Totally off-topic,
For palaeontologists (or evil evolutionists if you prefer) beer in
never off topic!
but in the US we have brew pubs that brew their
own. It's a fairly new phenomenon - a couple of decades old.
I've often wondered if they got the idea from success of CAMRA in the
UK? The time-scale seems to fit.
Each
usually has a regular stock of things they brew and a stock they
rotate through, like a pumpkin ale ready for October or a Christmas
ale. Never anything undrinkable, and a few notable brews. I don't
drink dark beer, but one of the local pubs brews a chocolate stout
that's like drinking beer-flavored chocolate. Delicious. And one in
Western North Carolina has one of the best IPAs I've ever had. I'd
like to find a grapefruit with as much grapefruit flavor.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I
were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using
force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Feb 2005 03:47:32 PM |
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On 5 Feb 2005 11:10:23 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
but in the US we have brew pubs that brew their
own. It's a fairly new phenomenon - a couple of decades old.
I've often wondered if they got the idea from success of CAMRA in the
UK?
Absolutely no idea. I use them as a source of ideas for recipes, not
history. :)
--
"Nothing in biology makes sense without evolution."
- Theodosuis Dobzhansky
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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05 Feb 2005 05:06:02 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 11:10:23 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
but in the US we have brew pubs that brew their
own. It's a fairly new phenomenon - a couple of decades old.
I've often wondered if they got the idea from success of CAMRA in
the
UK?
Absolutely no idea. I use them as a source of ideas for recipes, not
history. :)
Well, bugger history so long as the beer's good.
RF
"Nothing in geology makes sense without beer."
Someone after the fourth pint of Greene King in a pub I can't remember
--
"Nothing in biology makes sense without evolution."
- Theodosuis Dobzhansky
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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05 Feb 2005 07:01:11 PM |
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Richard Forrest <richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 11:10:23 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
but in the US we have brew pubs that brew their
own. It's a fairly new phenomenon - a couple of decades old.
I've often wondered if they got the idea from success of CAMRA in
the
UK?
Absolutely no idea. I use them as a source of ideas for recipes, not
history. :)
Well, bugger history so long as the beer's good.
Bloody ahistorical functionistic scientists!
RF
"Nothing in geology makes sense without beer."
Someone after the fourth pint of Greene King in a pub I can't remember
Is that near the NMH? In that case I can nominate some suspects...
--
John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Fiat lunch!
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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06 Feb 2005 02:55:38 AM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
Richard Forrest <richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 11:10:23 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
but in the US we have brew pubs that brew their
own. It's a fairly new phenomenon - a couple of decades old.
I've often wondered if they got the idea from success of CAMRA
in
the
UK?
Absolutely no idea. I use them as a source of ideas for recipes,
not
history. :)
Well, bugger history so long as the beer's good.
Bloody ahistorical functionistic scientists!
RF
"Nothing in geology makes sense without beer."
Someone after the fourth pint of Greene King in a pub I can't
remember
Is that near the NMH? In that case I can nominate some suspects...
--
John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Fiat lunch!
It was in one of the Cambridge pubs - I forget which one. By that time
I was well into my fifth pint of Greene King (why do we do this to
ouselves? What madness possesses us?) and memories are somewhat ....
diluted.
RF
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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06 Feb 2005 03:14:47 AM |
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On 6 Feb 2005 00:55:38 -0800 in alt.atheism, Richard Forrest
("Richard Forrest" <richard@plesiosaur.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
John Wilkins wrote:
Richard Forrest <richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 11:10:23 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
but in the US we have brew pubs that brew their
own. It's a fairly new phenomenon - a couple of decades old.
I've often wondered if they got the idea from success of CAMRA
in
the
UK?
Absolutely no idea. I use them as a source of ideas for recipes,
not
history. :)
Well, bugger history so long as the beer's good.
Bloody ahistorical functionistic scientists!
RF
"Nothing in geology makes sense without beer."
Someone after the fourth pint of Greene King in a pub I can't
remember
Is that near the NMH? In that case I can nominate some suspects...
--
John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Fiat lunch!
It was in one of the Cambridge pubs - I forget which one. By that time
I was well into my fifth pint of Greene King
Abbott or IPA? Or St. Edmund's Head?!
(why do we do this to
ouselves? What madness possesses us?) and memories are somewhat ....
diluted.
Based on extensive research into the matter, I think the first one
kills ones judgment, and it's all downhill from there!
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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06 Feb 2005 03:52:10 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On 6 Feb 2005 00:55:38 -0800 in alt.atheism, Richard Forrest
("Richard Forrest" <richard@plesiosaur.com>) said, directing the
reply
to alt.atheism
John Wilkins wrote:
Richard Forrest <richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 11:10:23 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
but in the US we have brew pubs that brew their
own. It's a fairly new phenomenon - a couple of decades
old.
I've often wondered if they got the idea from success of
CAMRA
in
the
UK?
Absolutely no idea. I use them as a source of ideas for
recipes,
not
history. :)
Well, bugger history so long as the beer's good.
Bloody ahistorical functionistic scientists!
RF
"Nothing in geology makes sense without beer."
Someone after the fourth pint of Greene King in a pub I can't
remember
Is that near the NMH? In that case I can nominate some suspects...
--
John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Fiat lunch!
It was in one of the Cambridge pubs - I forget which one. By that
time
I was well into my fifth pint of Greene King
Abbott or IPA? Or St. Edmund's Head?!
(why do we do this to
ouselves? What madness possesses us?) and memories are somewhat ....
diluted.
Based on extensive research into the matter, I think the first one
kills ones judgment, and it's all downhill from there!
Abbott. A good strong ale at 5%
The meeting which ended *very* blurry was in Kimmeridge, where we were
introduced to Thomas Hardy's Ale. The locals omitted to mention that it
is extremely stong - 10.5% - when they offered it. Judgment was a very
early casualty!
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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06 Feb 2005 04:10:53 AM |
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On 6 Feb 2005 01:52:10 -0800 in alt.atheism, Richard Forrest
("Richard Forrest" <richard@plesiosaur.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On 6 Feb 2005 00:55:38 -0800 in alt.atheism, Richard Forrest
("Richard Forrest" <richard@plesiosaur.com>) said, directing the
reply
to alt.atheism
John Wilkins wrote:
Richard Forrest <richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 11:10:23 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
but in the US we have brew pubs that brew their
own. It's a fairly new phenomenon - a couple of decades
old.
I've often wondered if they got the idea from success of
CAMRA
in
the
UK?
Absolutely no idea. I use them as a source of ideas for
recipes,
not
history. :)
Well, bugger history so long as the beer's good.
Bloody ahistorical functionistic scientists!
RF
"Nothing in geology makes sense without beer."
Someone after the fourth pint of Greene King in a pub I can't
remember
Is that near the NMH? In that case I can nominate some suspects...
--
John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Fiat lunch!
It was in one of the Cambridge pubs - I forget which one. By that time
I was well into my fifth pint of Greene King
Abbott or IPA? Or St. Edmund's Head?!
(why do we do this to
ouselves? What madness possesses us?) and memories are somewhat ....
diluted.
Based on extensive research into the matter, I think the first one
kills ones judgment, and it's all downhill from there!
Abbott. A good strong ale at 5%
Abbott. I like it! Ever see that ad with Victor Kyam? "Greene King
IPA. I liked it so much I bought a pint". Excellent (if you're of a
certain age...).
The meeting which ended *very* blurry was in Kimmeridge, where we were
introduced to Thomas Hardy's Ale. The locals omitted to mention that it
is extremely stong - 10.5% -
Wow. Even Special Brew is only 9%!
when they offered it. Judgment was a very early casualty!
True. But always remember that it's important to be sure that the
results of an experiment can be reproduced.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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06 Feb 2005 02:13:12 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:10:53 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> said in alt.atheism:
On 6 Feb 2005 01:52:10 -0800 in alt.atheism, Richard Forrest
("Richard Forrest" <richard@plesiosaur.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
Based on extensive research into the matter, I think the first one
kills ones judgment, and it's all downhill from there!
Abbott. A good strong ale at 5%
Abbott. I like it! Ever see that ad with Victor Kyam? "Greene King
IPA.
A 5% IPA? That's pretty weak for an IPS, unless it's AFTER 6 months
on the deck of a ship.
The meeting which ended *very* blurry was in Kimmeridge, where we were
introduced to Thomas Hardy's Ale. The locals omitted to mention that it
is extremely stong - 10.5% -
Wow. Even Special Brew is only 9%!
10.5% is a barleywine.
--
The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the
one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected.
-- H. L. Mencken
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "shooty" |
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07 Feb 2005 07:57:06 AM |
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That would be a Draught IPA not a Bottled one. Different drink, the
only thing they have in common is a lot of Hops.
I live in North Yorkshire, heavier Malty Ales. At the moment in the
'Tap and Spile' on Guisborough market square we have Theakstons Special
Bitter 4.5% and 'Old Peculiar' at 5.6%. They are two iof the current
guest beers. We have 8 of them at any time plus the 'House' regulars of
Jennings Cumberland Ale 4%, Camerons Strongarm 4.5% and a 'cloudy'
Scrumpy Cider of 7.5%
In addition of course there are the usual range mass market so called
'Lagers' and horrors like 'John Smiths Smooth' which is a canned
'bitter' in a barrel.
Plus the tap has 2 live bands a week and Neil Young on the Jukebox.
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Feb 2005 11:16:29 AM |
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:10:53 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 6 Feb 2005 01:52:10 -0800 in alt.atheism, Richard Forrest
("Richard Forrest" <richard@plesiosaur.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
[]
The meeting which ended *very* blurry was in Kimmeridge, where we were
introduced to Thomas Hardy's Ale. The locals omitted to mention that it
is extremely stong - 10.5% -
Wow. Even Special Brew is only 9%!
Interesting. I knew it was strong (equal to a triple scotch) but not
the percentage.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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