Religions > Atheism > In the News: Creation museum offers different approach to world's origins
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In the News: Creation museum offers different approach to world's origins |
From the article:
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By: JENNIFER KABBANY - Staff Writer
The idea that the universe was created by an intelligent being may be
science fiction to some, but to others it's just plain science.
At the Institute for Creation Research's Museum of Creation and Earth
History in Santee, some 50 exhibits at the 3,500-square-foot building
attempt to explain how the universe was created by the God described
in the Bible, and not through the forces of evolution.
"Although we do believe in the Bible, we look at the science and use
that to support the theories," said museum official Kathryn Mokan.
For example, one exhibit focuses on disproving the big-bang theory,
which says that the universe began with the explosion of superdense
matter in all directions. Yet galaxies are spread haphazardly
throughout the universe, Mokan said, illustrating that the
distribution of galaxies is "not from a centralized bang."
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Read it at http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/07/24/special_reports/travel/16_45_487_23_04.txt
or http://tinyurl.com/6t5lj
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Klaus Hellnick" |
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24 Jul 2004 07:34:16 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
news:b9401f8a.0407240010.28f4c5d@posting.google.com...
From the article:
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By: JENNIFER KABBANY - Staff Writer
The idea that the universe was created by an intelligent being may be
science fiction to some, but to others it's just plain science.
It is not science, plain or otherwise.
At the Institute for Creation Research's Museum of Creation and Earth
History in Santee, some 50 exhibits at the 3,500-square-foot building
attempt to explain how the universe was created by the God described
in the Bible, and not through the forces of evolution.
No one claims "evolution" created the universe.
"Although we do believe in the Bible, we look at the science and use
that to support the theories," said museum official Kathryn Mokan.
They also lie a lot.
For example, one exhibit focuses on disproving the big-bang theory,
which says that the universe began with the explosion of superdense
matter in all directions. Yet galaxies are spread haphazardly
throughout the universe, Mokan said, illustrating that the
distribution of galaxies is "not from a centralized bang."
This is not even close to what the Big Bang theory says, and the
distribution of galaxies is pretty uniform.
Klaus
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Read it at
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/07/24/special_reports/travel/16_45_487_23_04.txt
or http://tinyurl.com/6t5lj
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Orac" |
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24 Jul 2004 04:09:24 PM |
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In article <b9401f8a.0407240010.28f4c5d@posting.google.com>,
(Jason Spaceman) wrote:
From the article:
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By: JENNIFER KABBANY - Staff Writer
The idea that the universe was created by an intelligent being may be
science fiction to some, but to others it's just plain science.
Only to people who have not a single clue what real science ("plain" or
otherwise) actually is.
At the Institute for Creation Research's Museum of Creation and Earth
History in Santee, some 50 exhibits at the 3,500-square-foot building
attempt to explain how the universe was created by the God described
in the Bible, and not through the forces of evolution.
Geez. Someone needs to educate this staff writer on what the theory of
evolution through natural selection actually says. No one ever claimed
that the universe was created through the forces of evolution.
"Although we do believe in the Bible, we look at the science and use
that to support the theories," said museum official Kathryn Mokan.
In other words, they develop their conclusions first from the Bible,
then berry pick any evidence that supports them and ignore any evidence
that argues against them. This is much the same way they pick and choose
from the Bible what they want to believe, insisting on the "literal
interpretation" of Genesis, but ignoring parts of the bible that
are--shall we say?--inconvienent, for instance, the part about how it's
OK to stone a disobedient child (Deuteronomy 21: 18-21) or a bride who
is found in the marital bed not to be a virgin (Deuteronomy 22:13-21).
For example, one exhibit focuses on disproving the big-bang theory,
which says that the universe began with the explosion of superdense
matter in all directions.
Which also has nothing to do with evolution.
[Snip]
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| User: "Peter H Proctor" |
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24 Jul 2004 05:09:20 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:09:24 +0000 (UTC), Orac <orac@mac.com> wrote:
In article <b9401f8a.0407240010.28f4c5d@posting.google.com>,
jspaceman@linuxquestions.net (Jason Spaceman) wrote:
This is much the same way they pick and choose
from the Bible what they want to believe, insisting on the "literal
interpretation" of Genesis, but ignoring parts of the bible that
are--shall we say?--inconvienent, for instance, the part about how it's
OK to stone a disobedient child (Deuteronomy 21: 18-21) or a bride who
is found in the marital bed not to be a virgin (Deuteronomy 22:13-21).
Not to mention stuff like this:
"I said to myself concerning the sons of men, God has surely tested
them in order for them to see that they are but beasts. For the fate
of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so
dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath [Gen. 6:17;
7:15, 22] and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is
vanity. All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all
return to the dust [Gen. 3:19]. Who knows that the breath of man
ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the
earth?"
Ecclesiastes 3:18-21
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| User: "johac" |
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25 Jul 2004 02:29:21 AM |
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In article <b9401f8a.0407240010.28f4c5d@posting.google.com>,
(Jason Spaceman) wrote:
From the article:
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By: JENNIFER KABBANY - Staff Writer
The idea that the universe was created by an intelligent being may be
science fiction to some, but to others it's just plain science.
Try mythology.
At the Institute for Creation Research's Museum of Creation and Earth
History in Santee, some 50 exhibits at the 3,500-square-foot building
attempt to explain how the universe was created by the God described
in the Bible, and not through the forces of evolution.
What a waste of real estate. Evolution has nothing to do with the
origin of the physical universe.
"Although we do believe in the Bible, we look at the science and use
that to support the theories," said museum official Kathryn Mokan.
ROTFL! They mine a few quotes from outdated long ago disproved or
since revised articles and call those 'facts' to back up their
'theories'? They don't know what science is.
For example, one exhibit focuses on disproving the big-bang theory,
which says that the universe began with the explosion of superdense
matter in all directions. Yet galaxies are spread haphazardly
throughout the universe, Mokan said, illustrating that the
distribution of galaxies is "not from a centralized bang."
I wonder when was the last time that one of them read a scientific
paper or a recent book on the subject.
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Read it at
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/07/24/special_reports/travel/16_45_487_23
_04.txt
or http://tinyurl.com/6t5lj
J. Spaceman
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John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Sailcat" |
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25 Jul 2004 01:00:31 PM |
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I was under the impression that it is the hallmark of creationists to
selectively use details to support their notions, while deliberately
remaining completely ignorant of the larger principles upon which
science is anchored. This concept of selective ignorance is an
effective time-saving method, plus it frees the creationist from all
the labor required to understand the subjects about which they enjoy
arguing. It's all about efficiency!
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| User: "johac" |
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25 Jul 2004 11:24:43 PM |
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In article <1894a740.0407251007.23d20c08@posting.google.com>,
(Sailcat) wrote:
I was under the impression that it is the hallmark of creationists to
selectively use details to support their notions, while deliberately
remaining completely ignorant of the larger principles upon which
science is anchored. This concept of selective ignorance is an
effective time-saving method, plus it frees the creationist from all
the labor required to understand the subjects about which they enjoy
arguing. It's all about efficiency!
I've noticed that the creationists who post around here often cut and
paste from AIG, Ken Ham's site or some such, and when one questions
them, it is evident that they don't have the slightest idea of what
they are cutting and pasting.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "John Monrad" |
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25 Jul 2004 01:57:26 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:00:31 +0000 (UTC), Sailcat posted in article
<1894a740.0407251007.23d20c08@posting.google.com>...
I was under the impression that it is the hallmark of creationists to
selectively use details to support their notions, while deliberately
remaining completely ignorant of the larger principles upon which
science is anchored. This concept of selective ignorance is an
effective time-saving method, plus it frees the creationist from all
the labor required to understand the subjects about which they enjoy
arguing. It's all about efficiency!
Blame Deming? Nah...
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John Monrad
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| User: "AC" |
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25 Jul 2004 06:47:29 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:03:28 +0000 (UTC),
Jason Spaceman <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote:
From the article:
--------------------------
By: JENNIFER KABBANY - Staff Writer
The idea that the universe was created by an intelligent being may be
science fiction to some, but to others it's just plain science.
It's not science fiction. It's an old mythology that, by the mere chance
that some Roman aristocrats got tired of worshipping Jupiter, managed to
catch on.
At the Institute for Creation Research's Museum of Creation and Earth
History in Santee, some 50 exhibits at the 3,500-square-foot building
attempt to explain how the universe was created by the God described
in the Bible, and not through the forces of evolution.
"Although we do believe in the Bible, we look at the science and use
that to support the theories," said museum official Kathryn Mokan.
For example, one exhibit focuses on disproving the big-bang theory,
which says that the universe began with the explosion of superdense
matter in all directions. Yet galaxies are spread haphazardly
throughout the universe, Mokan said, illustrating that the
distribution of galaxies is "not from a centralized bang."
Wow... Just... wow.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Jul 2004 07:17:51 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:47:29 +0000, AC wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:03:28 +0000 (UTC),
Jason Spaceman <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote:
From the article:
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By: JENNIFER KABBANY - Staff Writer
The idea that the universe was created by an intelligent being may be
science fiction to some, but to others it's just plain science.
It's not science fiction. It's an old mythology that, by the mere chance
that some Roman aristocrats got tired of worshipping Jupiter, managed to
catch on.
At the Institute for Creation Research's Museum of Creation and Earth
History in Santee, some 50 exhibits at the 3,500-square-foot building
attempt to explain how the universe was created by the God described
in the Bible, and not through the forces of evolution.
"Although we do believe in the Bible, we look at the science and use
that to support the theories," said museum official Kathryn Mokan.
For example, one exhibit focuses on disproving the big-bang theory,
which says that the universe began with the explosion of superdense
matter in all directions. Yet galaxies are spread haphazardly
throughout the universe, Mokan said, illustrating that the
distribution of galaxies is "not from a centralized bang."
Wow... Just... wow.
Indeed. Just...WOW....that anyone buys into the *****.
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| User: "AC" |
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27 Jul 2004 06:13:08 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:17:51 +0000 (UTC),
stoney <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:47:29 +0000, AC wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:03:28 +0000 (UTC),
Jason Spaceman <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote:
<snip>
For example, one exhibit focuses on disproving the big-bang theory,
which says that the universe began with the explosion of superdense
matter in all directions. Yet galaxies are spread haphazardly
throughout the universe, Mokan said, illustrating that the
distribution of galaxies is "not from a centralized bang."
Wow... Just... wow.
Indeed. Just...WOW....that anyone buys into the *****.
I wonder if some of our local Creationist denizens would like to comment on
this claim about galaxy distribution.
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Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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28 Jul 2004 11:25:35 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:13:08 +0000, AC wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:17:51 +0000 (UTC),
stoney <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:47:29 +0000, AC wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:03:28 +0000 (UTC),
Jason Spaceman <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote:
<snip>
For example, one exhibit focuses on disproving the big-bang theory,
which says that the universe began with the explosion of superdense
matter in all directions. Yet galaxies are spread haphazardly
throughout the universe, Mokan said, illustrating that the
distribution of galaxies is "not from a centralized bang."
Wow... Just... wow.
Indeed. Just...WOW....that anyone buys into the *****.
I wonder if some of our local Creationist denizens would like to comment on
this claim about galaxy distribution.
/cue all sorts of furious handwaving. I recommend 'battening
down the hatches' doubly strong.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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24 Jul 2004 09:56:58 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:03:28 +0000 in episode
<b9401f8a.0407240010.28f4c5d@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
jspaceman@linuxquestions.net (Jason Spaceman):
The idea that the universe was created by an intelligent being may be
science fiction to some, but to others it's just plain science.
Except it isn't.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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