Religions > Atheism > In the News: Creationist Offers Alternate Museum Tour in Denver
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In the News: Creationist Offers Alternate Museum Tour in Denver |
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists. For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
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Read it at
http://www.toptechnews.com/news/Creationist-Offers-Museum-Tour/story.xhtml?story_id=033003E9SOA6
or http://tinyurl.com/a6mx7
J. Spaceman
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16 Dec 2005 03:01:38 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists. For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
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Read it at
http://www.toptechnews.com/news/Creationist-Offers-Museum-Tour/story.xhtml?story_id=033003E9SOA6
or http://tinyurl.com/a6mx7
That's the sickest think I have heard a holier-than-thou type say recently.
Sadly, a lot of them spout this crap.
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Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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16 Dec 2005 02:47:16 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists. For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
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Read it at
http://www.toptechnews.com/news/Creationist-Offers-Museum-Tour/story.xhtml?story_id=033003E9SOA6
or http://tinyurl.com/a6mx7
And Jim Bakker (fraud, adultery), Jimmy Swaggart (adultery, soliciting a
prostitute), Kent Hovind (tax evasion), and Jim Whittington (money
laundering, mail fraud, conspiracy, interstate transportation of stolen
property) are all Christians and creationists. Wonder if he told the
students about those guys.
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16 Dec 2005 02:24:41 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists. For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
Rusty Carter needs to be charged with slander.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Deadrat" |
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16 Dec 2005 10:29:06 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:CPGdndy7SPxV5D_enZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@io.com...
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From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists. For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
Rusty Carter needs to be charged with slander.
You don't get charged with slander; you get sued. In the US, a person
must be alive to bring a defamation suit.
Sorry.
Deadrat
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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17 Dec 2005 01:27:16 AM |
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From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists. For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
Rusty Carter needs to be charged with slander.
You don't get charged with slander; you get sued. In the US, a person
must be alive to bring a defamation suit.
Sorry.
I stand corrected. But what's this "must be alive" issue about? Is one of
the parties in this escapade not alive?
I guess I have to rephrase it as "Rusty Carter needs his ***** sued for
slander."
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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17 Dec 2005 08:27:44 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Deadrat" <ephemera1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists. For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
Rusty Carter needs to be charged with slander.
You don't get charged with slander; you get sued. In the US, a person
must be alive to bring a defamation suit.
Sorry.
I stand corrected. But what's this "must be alive" issue about? Is one of
the parties in this escapade not alive?
I guess I have to rephrase it as "Rusty Carter needs his ***** sued for
slander."
According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
the Columbine High School Evolutionists finished their rampage by
killing themselves. The Reichsfuhrer also apparently committed
suicide. Maybe you should say "Rusty Carter needs his ***** kicked for
being a jerk".
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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17 Dec 2005 11:10:43 AM |
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<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Deadrat" <ephemera1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter
emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists. For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
Rusty Carter needs to be charged with slander.
You don't get charged with slander; you get sued. In the US, a person
must be alive to bring a defamation suit.
Sorry.
I stand corrected. But what's this "must be alive" issue about? Is one of
the parties in this escapade not alive?
I guess I have to rephrase it as "Rusty Carter needs his ***** sued for
slander."
According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
the Columbine High School Evolutionists finished their rampage by
killing themselves. The Reichsfuhrer also apparently committed
suicide. Maybe you should say "Rusty Carter needs his ***** kicked for
being a jerk".
But the fellow isn't slandering the Columbine killers or Hitler. (Though an
argument could be made that he is lying about them as well)
No, the idiot is slandering atheists by comparing them to Hitler and the
Columbine killers.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Deadrat" |
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17 Dec 2005 11:42:14 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:nMednX-jg6MM2zneRVn-vw@io.com...
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Denis Loubet wrote:
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From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter
emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists. For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
Rusty Carter needs to be charged with slander.
You don't get charged with slander; you get sued. In the US, a person
must be alive to bring a defamation suit.
Sorry.
I stand corrected. But what's this "must be alive" issue about? Is one of
the parties in this escapade not alive?
I guess I have to rephrase it as "Rusty Carter needs his ***** sued for
slander."
According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
the Columbine High School Evolutionists finished their rampage by
killing themselves. The Reichsfuhrer also apparently committed
suicide. Maybe you should say "Rusty Carter needs his ***** kicked for
being a jerk".
But the fellow isn't slandering the Columbine killers or Hitler. (Though an
argument could be made that he is lying about them as well)
Forgive my ham-handed attempt at irony, imagining that from Rusty's
point of view, the Columbiners could claim, "Hey, I may have killed
a bunch of people, but I'm no evolutionist."
No, the idiot is slandering atheists by comparing them to Hitler and the
Columbine killers.
Alas, neither group slander nor jerkishness per se is a tort in the US.
Deadrat
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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17 Dec 2005 06:33:14 PM |
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"Deadrat" <ephemera1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
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From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter
emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists. For a little hometown shock, he says that the two
teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the
tour
with a prayer.
Rusty Carter needs to be charged with slander.
You don't get charged with slander; you get sued. In the US, a
person
must be alive to bring a defamation suit.
Sorry.
I stand corrected. But what's this "must be alive" issue about? Is one
of
the parties in this escapade not alive?
I guess I have to rephrase it as "Rusty Carter needs his ***** sued for
slander."
According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
the Columbine High School Evolutionists finished their rampage by
killing themselves. The Reichsfuhrer also apparently committed
suicide. Maybe you should say "Rusty Carter needs his ***** kicked for
being a jerk".
But the fellow isn't slandering the Columbine killers or Hitler. (Though
an
argument could be made that he is lying about them as well)
Forgive my ham-handed attempt at irony, imagining that from Rusty's
point of view, the Columbiners could claim, "Hey, I may have killed
a bunch of people, but I'm no evolutionist."
No, the idiot is slandering atheists by comparing them to Hitler and the
Columbine killers.
Alas, neither group slander nor jerkishness per se is a tort in the US.
Drat! ;-)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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16 Dec 2005 05:46:32 PM |
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Jason Spaceman <reply@usenet.com> wrote:
From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
.... For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
I have a question: how does anyone know this?
--
"Anyone born after the McDLT has no business stomping around acting punk rock"
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16 Dec 2005 06:33:34 PM |
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Xcott Craver wrote:
Jason Spaceman <reply@usenet.com> wrote:
From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
.... For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
I have a question: how does anyone know this?
Because they killed 13 people. Weren't you paying attention?
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Nihil tam absurdum quod non quidam Philosophi dixerit - adapted from Cicero
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17 Dec 2005 04:41:06 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:33:34 +1000, While I was gettin a beer,
somebody, could have been John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>, wrote:
Xcott Craver wrote:
Jason Spaceman <reply@usenet.com> wrote:
From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
.... For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
I have a question: how does anyone know this?
Because they killed 13 people. Weren't you paying attention?
Exactly, xtians don't kill people,
...And there are no xtians in Iraq, bombing the ***** out of the
natives
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17 Dec 2005 08:34:29 AM |
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Nightshade wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:33:34 +1000, While I was gettin a beer,
somebody, could have been John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>, wrote:
Xcott Craver wrote:
Jason Spaceman <reply@usenet.com> wrote:
From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
.... For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
I have a question: how does anyone know this?
Because they killed 13 people. Weren't you paying attention?
Exactly, xtians don't kill people,
...And there are no xtians in Iraq, bombing the ***** out of the
natives
There are christians in Iraq, but they aren't killing *people*, they're
killing *TERRORISTS*. Weren't you paying attention?
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| User: "nmp" |
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17 Dec 2005 09:14:24 AM |
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Op Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:34:29 -0800, schreef Andrew McClure:
There are christians in Iraq, but they aren't killing *people*, they're
killing *TERRORISTS*. Weren't you paying attention?
Terrorists are not people, you say?
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| User: "Andrew McClure" |
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17 Dec 2005 09:50:11 PM |
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Ah, now you're getting it!
Next week we'll learn about how Americans don't torture, so if an
American did it, it must not have been torture
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18 Dec 2005 03:41:15 AM |
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Andrew McClure wrote:
Ah, now you're getting it!
Next week we'll learn about how Americans don't torture, so if an
American did it, it must not have been torture
It's established doctrine now that if the President orders a thing,
then it's legal, so nothing that the President has ordered is illegal.
Most times, this is after some effort by courtiers denying it happened
in the first place, then some loose cannon says, "Yeah, we did do
that." Often that's the President himself.
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17 Dec 2005 12:33:00 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:14:24 +0100, in alt.atheism
nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote in
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Op Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:34:29 -0800, schreef Andrew McClure:
There are christians in Iraq, but they aren't killing *people*, they're
killing *TERRORISTS*. Weren't you paying attention?
Terrorists are not people, you say?
Of course not, don't be silly. Don't you listen to Emperor George?
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17 Dec 2005 09:33:55 AM |
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nmp wrote:
Op Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:34:29 -0800, schreef Andrew McClure:
There are christians in Iraq, but they aren't killing *people*, they're
killing *TERRORISTS*. Weren't you paying attention?
Terrorists are not people, you say?
No, they're *Darwinists*.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Nihil tam absurdum quod non quidam Philosophi dixerit - adapted from Cicero
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19 Dec 2005 01:32:11 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:33:55 +1000, John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>
wrote:
nmp wrote:
Op Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:34:29 -0800, schreef Andrew McClure:
There are christians in Iraq, but they aren't killing *people*, they're
killing *TERRORISTS*. Weren't you paying attention?
Terrorists are not people, you say?
No, they're *Darwinists*.
Dammit, John, the whole world is not from Australia.
Lizz 'Tulsan' Holmans
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| User: "Noelie S. Alito" |
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19 Dec 2005 09:34:37 PM |
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"Mike Holmans" <mike@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:33:55 +1000, John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>
wrote:
nmp wrote:
Op Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:34:29 -0800, schreef Andrew McClure:
There are christians in Iraq, but they aren't killing *people*, they're
killing *TERRORISTS*. Weren't you paying attention?
Terrorists are not people, you say?
No, they're *Darwinists*.
Dammit, John, the whole world is not from Australia.
Lizz 'Tulsan' Holmans
He has a different perthpective, I think.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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20 Dec 2005 01:49:39 AM |
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Mike Holmans wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:33:55 +1000, John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>
wrote:
nmp wrote:
Op Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:34:29 -0800, schreef Andrew McClure:
There are christians in Iraq, but they aren't killing *people*, they're
killing *TERRORISTS*. Weren't you paying attention?
Terrorists are not people, you say?
No, they're *Darwinists*.
Dammit, John, the whole world is not from Australia.
Lizz 'Tulsan' Holmans
No, but they wish they were...
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Nihil tam absurdum quod non quidam Philosophi dixerit - adapted from Cicero
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| User: "george" |
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20 Dec 2005 01:38:32 PM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
Mike Holmans wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:33:55 +1000, John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>
wrote:
nmp wrote:
Op Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:34:29 -0800, schreef Andrew McClure:
There are christians in Iraq, but they aren't killing *people*, they're
killing *TERRORISTS*. Weren't you paying attention?
Terrorists are not people, you say?
No, they're *Darwinists*.
Dammit, John, the whole world is not from Australia.
Lizz 'Tulsan' Holmans
No, but they wish they were...
Thanks but the West Island isn't my preference :-)
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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20 Dec 2005 08:50:00 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:49:39 +1000, in talk.origins , John Wilkins
<john@wilkins.id.au> in <do8dsm$fqe$3@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au> wrote:
Mike Holmans wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:33:55 +1000, John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>
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nmp wrote:
Op Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:34:29 -0800, schreef Andrew McClure:
There are christians in Iraq, but they aren't killing *people*, they're
killing *TERRORISTS*. Weren't you paying attention?
Terrorists are not people, you say?
No, they're *Darwinists*.
Dammit, John, the whole world is not from Australia.
Lizz 'Tulsan' Holmans
No, but they wish they were...
Good place to be from, huh. I have heard that about lots of waterless
deserts.
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Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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20 Dec 2005 04:33:44 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:50:00 GMT, Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:49:39 +1000, in talk.origins , John Wilkins
<john@wilkins.id.au> in <do8dsm$fqe$3@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au> wrote:
Mike Holmans wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:33:55 +1000, John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>
wrote:
nmp wrote:
Op Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:34:29 -0800, schreef Andrew McClure:
There are christians in Iraq, but they aren't killing *people*, they're
killing *TERRORISTS*. Weren't you paying attention?
Terrorists are not people, you say?
No, they're *Darwinists*.
Dammit, John, the whole world is not from Australia.
Lizz 'Tulsan' Holmans
No, but they wish they were...
Good place to be from, huh. I have heard that about lots of waterless
deserts.
As opposed to what other types of deserts? :)
Also you may want to check out the Great Artesian Basin;
http://www.diamantina-tour.com.au/outback_info/great_artesian_basin/gab_index.htm
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Shane
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| User: "Richard Clayton" |
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16 Dec 2005 12:51:43 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students,
At last the truth is exposed! Clearly evolution is false, if a bad
person like Hitler believed in it. Come to think of it, Hitler also
believed in gravity, and that the Earth goes around the Sun. Obviously
those are lies too...
but Carter emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists.
Oh, surely not. "Hitler was a Darwinist! But that doesn't mean you
should compare Darwinists to Hitler. Wink wink, nudge nudge. Now let's
talk about the Intelligent Designer, who MIGHT not be God! Heh heh heh..."
For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
I wonder if he also trotted out the oft-refuted "Columbine was an
anti-Christian terror attack" canard?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassie_Bernall
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
Sure it does. Obviously, Tomás de Torquemada, Pope Innocent III, and
Eric Rudolph were just Darwinists posing as Christians in order to make
the True Christians(tm) look bad.
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[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"During wars laws are silent." -- Cicero
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Creationist Offers Alternate Museum Tour in Denver |
16 Dec 2005 08:14:45 PM |
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Richard Clayton wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students,
At last the truth is exposed! Clearly evolution is false, if a bad
person like Hitler believed in it. Come to think of it, Hitler also
believed in gravity, and that the Earth goes around the Sun. Obviously
those are lies too...
It has been suggested, apparently with little or no evidence, that he
was sceptical on those.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_earth and find his name in the
page.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Creationist Offers Alternate Museum Tour in Denver |
16 Dec 2005 07:42:50 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists.
Can anyone think of another reason why he mentions it? People who
believe in evolution are right-wing totalitarian conformitarian
fascists, maybe?
For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
....and nihilistic counter-culture sociopaths.
Which contradicts the conformitarian fascist argument, but there ya go.
Do we have a list of how many of history's greatest criminals were
creationists, even if only because they weren't offered an alternative,
but preferably if they actively promoted the doctrine? That could go
in the "People" section that I called for in Mark Isaak's "Creationist
Claims".
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
I think we'll find that some people (Adolf Hitler, Alice Cooper) are
more valuable to creationism than others.
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| User: "Alexander" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Creationist Offers Alternate Museum Tour in Denver |
16 Dec 2005 08:29:37 AM |
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wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists.
Can anyone think of another reason why he mentions it? People who
believe in evolution are right-wing totalitarian conformitarian
fascists, maybe?
Quite possibly. They are also atheist liberal abortion loving commies
as well - it gets hard to keep up after a while.
For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
...and nihilistic counter-culture sociopaths.
Which contradicts the conformitarian fascist argument, but there ya go
The important point is that they were 'evolutionists' ... I don't think
you really understand how this works. Who needs so called 'logic' and
'reason' when you have inflammatory statements?
Evolution = Double plus bad
Evolutionist = Maker of double plus bad
Do we have a list of how many of history's greatest criminals were
creationists, even if only because they weren't offered an alternative,
but preferably if they actively promoted the doctrine? That could go
in the "People" section that I called for in Mark Isaak's "Creationist
Claims".
Could even draw up a list of individuals who claimed to be Christian
who were also criminal or supported dodgy ideals. It seems to be the
same tactic. It might work by pointing out how absurd the tactic of
labelling a particular ideology is by ascribing generalised traits to
the whole group. Doubly absurd as science is not an ideology of
course.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
I think we'll find that some people (Adolf Hitler, Alice Cooper) are
more valuable to creationism than others.
As well as presumably not valuing gays, single mums, co-habiting
(non-married) parents, non-Christians, non-Fundamentalist Christians,
Republicans who don't support Creationism, Republicans who aren't
Fundamentalists, all Democrats, Europeans etc and so on.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Creationist Offers Alternate Museum Tour in Denver |
16 Dec 2005 08:52:05 AM |
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Alexander wrote:
rja.carnegie@excite.com wrote:
Do we have a list of how many of history's greatest criminals were
creationists, even if only because they weren't offered an alternative,
but preferably if they actively promoted the doctrine? That could go
in the "People" section that I called for in Mark Isaak's "Creationist
Claims".
Could even draw up a list of individuals who claimed to be Christian
who were also criminal or supported dodgy ideals. It seems to be the
same tactic. It might work by pointing out how absurd the tactic of
labelling a particular ideology is by ascribing generalised traits to
the whole group. Doubly absurd as science is not an ideology of
course.
I suspect that collecting dodgy Christians rather than dodgy
Creationists won't work so well, for many reasons including:
non-Creationist Christians will be alienated, and a creationist will
find it easier to claim that our candidates aren't Christians as we
claim because "no true Cristian would ...", that if our roster is of
Wicked Creationists. I don't think that even a list of Wicked Bible
Fundamentalists will do (e.g., apologists for slavery). The
creationist could claim that each Wicked Fundamentalist unfortunately
misinterpreted scripture. Let's stick to Creationists.
So I'm looking for Creationism as the basis for massacre, torture,
slavery, sexual misconduct, electoral fraud, bootleg whiskey - social
negatives in general, we might not get all of these specifically - and
also for leading Creationists who merely happened to pursue massacre
etc conspicuously in their spare time, or vice versa.
When I say "I'm looking" I don't mean actual effort at this particular
point in time...
Come to think, /were/ the Columbine perpetrators evolutionist? I don't
know Marilyn Manson's work in detail, I admit, but I'm not aware that
the scientific method plays a leading part.
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| User: "Beagle" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Creationist Offers Alternate Museum Tour in Denver |
16 Dec 2005 08:18:04 AM |
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Let's have a vote on who is doing more harm to society - Rusty Carter,
poisoning kids' minds, or your average drunk-driver.
I say Rusty is worse by far.
Re: Creationists value each person - that means they're
a. Pacifists?
b. Against the death penalty?
Or maybe not.
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| User: "A. Grace Haliburton" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Creationist Offers Alternate Museum Tour in Denver |
16 Dec 2005 02:22:47 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By Syndication
December 15, 2005 2:17PM
Tour guide and biblical scholar Rusty Carter goes for the drama.
Hitler believed in evolution, he tells students, but Carter emphasizes
he does not mean to say that people who believe in evolution are
racists. For a little hometown shock, he says that the two teenagers
who killed 13 people at Columbine High School were evolutionists.
"Creationism values each person," Carter says before ending the tour
with a prayer.
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People like this make me want to throw up.
-Grace
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