Religions > Atheism > In the News: Darby divided?: Signs signal schism over school board election
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In the News: Darby divided?: Signs signal schism over school board election |
From the article:
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DARBY - Driving south on U.S. 93 the signs start appearing near the
Lake Como turnoff. By Main Street in Darby, nearly every house and
business is marked by a controversy that has rocked the small town.
Red and white campaign signs spell out the division in townsfolk and
the stark contrast in political views that will shake out at the May 4
election.
Of the six school board trustee elections in Ravalli County, Darby's
is the most heated, with candidates and their supporters spending more
dollars to sway votes than in any other district. Half-page ads in the
newspaper, bulk mailings and signs separate the four candidates into
two different camps - Gina Schallenberger and Robert House or Bob
Wetsteon and Eric Abrahamsen.
The two pairs are on opposite sides of the controversial objective
origins science policy that the school board approved on first reading
and received criticism for on the grounds of its constitutionality and
merits.
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Read it at http://www.ravallinews.com/articles/2004/04/28/news/news02.txt
J. Spaceman
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| Title: Re: In the News: Darby divided?: Signs signal schism over school board election |
28 Apr 2004 07:19:05 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
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DARBY - Driving south on U.S. 93 the signs start appearing near the
Lake Como turnoff. By Main Street in Darby, nearly every house and
business is marked by a controversy that has rocked the small town.
Red and white campaign signs spell out the division in townsfolk and
the stark contrast in political views that will shake out at the May 4
election.
Of the six school board trustee elections in Ravalli County, Darby's
is the most heated, with candidates and their supporters spending more
dollars to sway votes than in any other district. Half-page ads in the
newspaper, bulk mailings and signs separate the four candidates into
two different camps - Gina Schallenberger and Robert House or Bob
Wetsteon and Eric Abrahamsen.
The two pairs are on opposite sides of the controversial objective
origins science policy that the school board approved on first reading
and received criticism for on the grounds of its constitutionality and
merits.
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Read it at http://www.ravallinews.com/articles/2004/04/28/news/news02.txt
This is two towns with antievolutionists running for school
board. In Darby, the antievolutionists, supported by the
Montana Advocates for True Science, are Gina
Schallenberger and Robert House .
In Hamilton, Harris Himes and Cary Monaco support
"objective origins. Good job for LaCroix, who exited
the race to help the opponents - he's quoted as
saying it's to "narrow the choices for two people who
don't want issues like creationism brought to the
Hamilton School District."
The anti-"objective origins folks" are
Darby - Bob Wetsteon and Eric Abrahamsen
Hamilton - Lori Holly and Ingrid Sutherland
Election Day May 4.
I know folks can read, but wanted to abstract the salient
points for busy folks.
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| User: "Noctiluca" |
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28 Apr 2004 10:39:16 AM |
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(Jason Spaceman) wrote in message news:<b9401f8a.0404280246.223ac2c@posting.google.com>...
From the article:
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DARBY - Driving south on U.S. 93 the signs start appearing near the
Lake Como turnoff. By Main Street in Darby, nearly every house and
business is marked by a controversy that has rocked the small town.
Red and white campaign signs spell out the division in townsfolk and
the stark contrast in political views that will shake out at the May 4
election.
Of the six school board trustee elections in Ravalli County, Darby's
is the most heated, with candidates and their supporters spending more
dollars to sway votes than in any other district. Half-page ads in the
newspaper, bulk mailings and signs separate the four candidates into
two different camps - Gina Schallenberger and Robert House or Bob
Wetsteon and Eric Abrahamsen.
The two pairs are on opposite sides of the controversial objective
origins science policy that the school board approved on first reading
and received criticism for on the grounds of its constitutionality and
merits.
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Read it at http://www.ravallinews.com/articles/2004/04/28/news/news02.txt
Came across this in the article,
"Officials at the state Commissioner of Political Practice's office
advised Montana Advocates for True Science to comply with state ethics
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and caught myself. I realized all of a sudden that the utter inanity
of this creationist/ID organization's name barely caused a flicker of
surprise or resentment.
I don't know if having the chutzpah to give your group this name is a
measure of creationists' jaded cynicism or their sense of humor. I
guess it's probably nothing more sinister than a measure of their
complete cluelessness.
Ever get the feeling that education and critical thinking are just
puny firehoses in the face of an overwhelming tide of ignorance and
superstition?
Ah well, back to the grind, "(whistle)...always look on the light side
of life... (whistle)"
robert
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Dale" |
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28 Apr 2004 02:39:18 PM |
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"Noctiluca" <seeingisbelieving@VolcanoMail.com> wrote in message
news:14069514.0404280742.328c76ab@posting.google.com...
jspaceman@linuxquestions.net (Jason Spaceman) wrote in message
news:<b9401f8a.0404280246.223ac2c@posting.google.com>...
From the article:
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DARBY - Driving south on U.S. 93 the signs start appearing near the
Lake Como turnoff. By Main Street in Darby, nearly every house and
business is marked by a controversy that has rocked the small town.
Red and white campaign signs spell out the division in townsfolk and
the stark contrast in political views that will shake out at the May 4
election.
Of the six school board trustee elections in Ravalli County, Darby's
is the most heated, with candidates and their supporters spending more
dollars to sway votes than in any other district. Half-page ads in the
newspaper, bulk mailings and signs separate the four candidates into
two different camps - Gina Schallenberger and Robert House or Bob
Wetsteon and Eric Abrahamsen.
The two pairs are on opposite sides of the controversial objective
origins science policy that the school board approved on first reading
and received criticism for on the grounds of its constitutionality and
merits.
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Read it at
http://www.ravallinews.com/articles/2004/04/28/news/news02.txt
Came across this in the article,
"Officials at the state Commissioner of Political Practice's office
advised Montana Advocates for True Science to comply with state ethics
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and caught myself. I realized all of a sudden that the utter inanity
of this creationist/ID organization's name barely caused a flicker of
surprise or resentment.
I don't know if having the chutzpah to give your group this name is a
measure of creationists' jaded cynicism or their sense of humor. I
guess it's probably nothing more sinister than a measure of their
complete cluelessness.
It's part of the Big Lie technique. It's like the Wise Use people, who claim
they are for "wise use" of the environment, as opposed to "radical"
environmentalism. Actually, what the Wise Use movement wants is unfettered
access to all public lands and unrestricted use of all lands private and
public, regardless of the consequences.
Ever get the feeling that education and critical thinking are just
puny firehoses in the face of an overwhelming tide of ignorance and
superstition?
Yeah, but it's always been that way and we're all still here, so I'm not
fretting too much about it. Just remember that half of all people are of
below average intelligence! ;-)
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| User: "Rodjk" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Darby divided?: Signs signal schism over school board election |
28 Apr 2004 10:59:21 PM |
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(Noctiluca) wrote in message news:<14069514.0404280742.328c76ab@posting.google.com>...
jspaceman@linuxquestions.net (Jason Spaceman) wrote in message news:<b9401f8a.0404280246.223ac2c@posting.google.com>...
From the article:
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DARBY - Driving south on U.S. 93 the signs start appearing near the
Lake Como turnoff. By Main Street in Darby, nearly every house and
business is marked by a controversy that has rocked the small town.
Red and white campaign signs spell out the division in townsfolk and
the stark contrast in political views that will shake out at the May 4
election.
Of the six school board trustee elections in Ravalli County, Darby's
is the most heated, with candidates and their supporters spending more
dollars to sway votes than in any other district. Half-page ads in the
newspaper, bulk mailings and signs separate the four candidates into
two different camps - Gina Schallenberger and Robert House or Bob
Wetsteon and Eric Abrahamsen.
The two pairs are on opposite sides of the controversial objective
origins science policy that the school board approved on first reading
and received criticism for on the grounds of its constitutionality and
merits.
------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.ravallinews.com/articles/2004/04/28/news/news02.txt
Came across this in the article,
"Officials at the state Commissioner of Political Practice's office
advised Montana Advocates for True Science to comply with state ethics
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and caught myself. I realized all of a sudden that the utter inanity
of this creationist/ID organization's name barely caused a flicker of
surprise or resentment.
I don't know if having the chutzpah to give your group this name is a
measure of creationists' jaded cynicism or their sense of humor. I
guess it's probably nothing more sinister than a measure of their
complete cluelessness.
Ever get the feeling that education and critical thinking are just
puny firehoses in the face of an overwhelming tide of ignorance and
superstition?
Ah well, back to the grind, "(whistle)...always look on the light side
of life... (whistle)"
robert
Speaking from experience, by which I mean conversations with my
neighbors who are YEC's...they really believe that they are trying to
teach real science and that the 'evolutionist' are witholding the
truth. Seriously, they do think that *real* science supports a 10K
year old earth and that evolution is a lie. They are confused about
why schools continue to teach such pseudoscience to their kids.
These people, like the Montana group, really believe they are trying
to teach *True Science*.
Rodjk #613
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Ron Okimoto" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Darby divided?: Signs signal schism over schoolboard election |
28 Apr 2004 12:45:00 PM |
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Noctiluca wrote:
jspaceman@linuxquestions.net (Jason Spaceman) wrote in message news:<b9401f8a.0404280246.223ac2c@posting.google.com>...
From the article:
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DARBY - Driving south on U.S. 93 the signs start appearing near the
Lake Como turnoff. By Main Street in Darby, nearly every house and
business is marked by a controversy that has rocked the small town.
Red and white campaign signs spell out the division in townsfolk and
the stark contrast in political views that will shake out at the May 4
election.
Of the six school board trustee elections in Ravalli County, Darby's
is the most heated, with candidates and their supporters spending more
dollars to sway votes than in any other district. Half-page ads in the
newspaper, bulk mailings and signs separate the four candidates into
two different camps - Gina Schallenberger and Robert House or Bob
Wetsteon and Eric Abrahamsen.
The two pairs are on opposite sides of the controversial objective
origins science policy that the school board approved on first reading
and received criticism for on the grounds of its constitutionality and
merits.
------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.ravallinews.com/articles/2004/04/28/news/news02.txt
Came across this in the article,
"Officials at the state Commissioner of Political Practice's office
advised Montana Advocates for True Science to comply with state ethics
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and caught myself. I realized all of a sudden that the utter inanity
of this creationist/ID organization's name barely caused a flicker of
surprise or resentment.
I don't know if having the chutzpah to give your group this name is a
measure of creationists' jaded cynicism or their sense of humor. I
guess it's probably nothing more sinister than a measure of their
complete cluelessness.
Ever get the feeling that education and critical thinking are just
puny firehoses in the face of an overwhelming tide of ignorance and
superstition?
Ah well, back to the grind, "(whistle)...always look on the light side
of life... (whistle)"
robert
J. Spaceman
This is a common dishonest ploy in politics or advertising.
Why shouldn't the dishonest creationists use it? Look at the
"true origins" web site, the "Discovery Institute," or the real
laugher "creation science." Misnomers may be funny, but
the fact is that some rubes are taken in by the false
advertising.
Ron Okimoto
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| User: "Noctiluca" |
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28 Apr 2004 04:23:30 PM |
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Ron Okimoto <rokimoto@uark.edu> wrote in message news:<408FEA0D.B840FDE@mail.uark.edu>...
Noctiluca wrote:
jspaceman@linuxquestions.net (Jason Spaceman) wrote in message news:<b9401f8a.0404280246.223ac2c@posting.google.com>...
From the article:
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DARBY - Driving south on U.S. 93 the signs start appearing near the
Lake Como turnoff. By Main Street in Darby, nearly every house and
business is marked by a controversy that has rocked the small town.
Red and white campaign signs spell out the division in townsfolk and
the stark contrast in political views that will shake out at the May 4
election.
Of the six school board trustee elections in Ravalli County, Darby's
is the most heated, with candidates and their supporters spending more
dollars to sway votes than in any other district. Half-page ads in the
newspaper, bulk mailings and signs separate the four candidates into
two different camps - Gina Schallenberger and Robert House or Bob
Wetsteon and Eric Abrahamsen.
The two pairs are on opposite sides of the controversial objective
origins science policy that the school board approved on first reading
and received criticism for on the grounds of its constitutionality and
merits.
------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.ravallinews.com/articles/2004/04/28/news/news02.txt
Came across this in the article,
"Officials at the state Commissioner of Political Practice's office
advised Montana Advocates for True Science to comply with state ethics
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and caught myself. I realized all of a sudden that the utter inanity
of this creationist/ID organization's name barely caused a flicker of
surprise or resentment.
I don't know if having the chutzpah to give your group this name is a
measure of creationists' jaded cynicism or their sense of humor. I
guess it's probably nothing more sinister than a measure of their
complete cluelessness.
Ever get the feeling that education and critical thinking are just
puny firehoses in the face of an overwhelming tide of ignorance and
superstition?
Ah well, back to the grind, "(whistle)...always look on the light side
of life... (whistle)"
robert
J. Spaceman
This is a common dishonest ploy in politics or advertising.
Why shouldn't the dishonest creationists use it? Look at the
"true origins" web site, the "Discovery Institute," or the real
laugher "creation science." Misnomers may be funny, but
the fact is that some rubes are taken in by the false
advertising.
Point taken. But I guess this is just more to my observation. I don't
want to be so numb that I'm not even a little disturbed by such a
blatant calumny (although I gotta admit I've been thinking about it
all day and I am beginning to work up a decent irk).
Just my way or reminding myself that a "straw" doesn't have to be the
one that broke the back, it can also be the one that stirs the drink.
robert
Ron Okimoto
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28 Apr 2004 11:10:24 PM |
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"Noctiluca" <seeingisbelieving@VolcanoMail.com> wrote in message
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Ron Okimoto <rokimoto@uark.edu> wrote in message
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Noctiluca wrote:
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Just my way or reminding myself that a "straw" doesn't have to be the
one that broke the back, it can also be the one that stirs the drink.
Only if the drink's not to thick.
Alan Jeffery
robert
Ron Okimoto
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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28 Apr 2004 12:19:53 PM |
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Noctiluca wrote:
Came across this in the article,
"Officials at the state Commissioner of Political Practice's office
advised Montana Advocates for True Science to comply with state ethics
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and caught myself. I realized all of a sudden that the utter inanity
of this creationist/ID organization's name barely caused a flicker of
surprise or resentment.
I don't know if having the chutzpah to give your group this name is a
measure of creationists' jaded cynicism or their sense of humor. I
guess it's probably nothing more sinister than a measure of their
complete cluelessness.
Ever get the feeling that education and critical thinking are just
puny firehoses in the face of an overwhelming tide of ignorance and
superstition?
Only about every time I look at a newspaper, read one of the newsgroups
this is x-posted to, talk to some of my coworkers or aquaintances about
anything going on in politics, or meet the occasional Mormon or JW
missionary in the street. When talking to people who are there in
person, the thought sometimes occurs to me at some point, "This *****
will never get it. I might as well just knock him out." Then I have to
remind myself that nobody ever got any smarter by being handed brain
damage, so I should just shut up and walk away. People have stiff-necked
pride in their ignorance. They seem to like not thinking. Intelligence
as an adaptive strategy clearly has limitations. Cockroaches have
survived for what was it? 300,000,000 years? I'll be mildly surprised if
we make it another 100.
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| User: "eNo" |
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28 Apr 2004 01:45:28 PM |
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Nivlem wrote:
Noctiluca wrote:
Ever get the feeling that education and critical thinking are just
puny firehoses in the face of an overwhelming tide of ignorance and
superstition?
Only about every time I look at a newspaper, read one of the newsgroups
this is x-posted to, talk to some of my coworkers or aquaintances about
anything going on in politics, or meet the occasional Mormon or JW
missionary in the street. When talking to people who are there in
person, the thought sometimes occurs to me at some point, "This *****
will never get it. I might as well just knock him out." Then I have to
remind myself that nobody ever got any smarter by being handed brain
damage, so I should just shut up and walk away. People have stiff-necked
pride in their ignorance. They seem to like not thinking. Intelligence
as an adaptive strategy clearly has limitations. Cockroaches have
survived for what was it? 300,000,000 years? I'll be mildly surprised if
we make it another 100.
Well, this certainly makes you superior, so what's the problem?
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28 Apr 2004 05:17:26 PM |
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eNo wrote:
Nivlem wrote:
Noctiluca wrote:
Ever get the feeling that education and critical thinking are just
puny firehoses in the face of an overwhelming tide of ignorance and
superstition?
Only about every time I look at a newspaper, read one of the newsgroups
this is x-posted to, talk to some of my coworkers or aquaintances about
anything going on in politics, or meet the occasional Mormon or JW
missionary in the street. When talking to people who are there in
person, the thought sometimes occurs to me at some point, "This *****
will never get it. I might as well just knock him out." Then I have to
remind myself that nobody ever got any smarter by being handed brain
damage, so I should just shut up and walk away. People have stiff-necked
pride in their ignorance. They seem to like not thinking. Intelligence
as an adaptive strategy clearly has limitations. Cockroaches have
survived for what was it? 300,000,000 years? I'll be mildly surprised if
we make it another 100.
Well, this certainly makes you superior, so what's the problem?
I don't have any great attachment to some idea of my own superiority.
Name anything I can do, and I can name someone who does it better.
Usually many people.
What bothers me is when the stupidity of others has the forseeable
potential to have an impact on my life. For example, most of the people
I know who drive SUVs don't need them for anything. They're just wasting
gas, polluting my air, and keeping my prices higher at the pump. They're
also lining the pockets of Saudis who are probably reducing my personal
security very slightly by giving some of the money to violent Muslim
extremists. I don't want to live in a theocratic state, for another
example. Peddling cretinism to the schools is part and parcel of an
effort to bring that about. And I suppose that there is a sense of
wrongness, an irritation at the sheer illogic of certain batty ideas
like astrology, homeopathy, or creationism. Jaysus, dude. The bible says
the earth is flat, too. You gonna believe that? There were 19th century
crackpot evangelists who took that position, and debated it, much as
anti-evolution hucksters do now, and had some success convincing their
audiences of poorly-educated bumpkins. That's what's being done to you.
Don't fall for it.
To me religion is absurd. To you, it's important, I guess. Okay,
fine. To believe as you do, one must accept a number of contradictory or
illogical ideas. Can your head not hold one or two more contradictions
and continue in its belief?
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