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"Jason Spaceman" |
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20 Oct 2004 04:32:03 PM |
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In the News: Dover curriculum move likely a first |
From the article:
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When the Dover Area School Board voted to require the teaching of intelligent
design Monday night, it likely became the first district in the United States
to do so.
Until now, the battleground over intelligent design ? the theory that all life
was created by a divine being ? has been largely fought in states such as
Kansas and Ohio.
But with Dover's 6-to-3 vote in favor of teaching alternative theories to
evolution, "including, but not limited to, intelligent design," the battle
lines might have shifted to include York County.
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/main/45962/
Also see "Parents react to decision: Some don't mind religion in school.
Others fear costly litigation." at http://ydr.com/story/main/45963/
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Mike Dworetsky" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Dover curriculum move likely a first |
21 Oct 2004 03:07:44 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2to48sF21kq08U1@uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
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When the Dover Area School Board voted to require the teaching of
intelligent
design Monday night, it likely became the first district in the United
States
to do so.
Until now, the battleground over intelligent design ? the theory that all
life
was created by a divine being ? has been largely fought in states such as
Kansas and Ohio.
But with Dover's 6-to-3 vote in favor of teaching alternative theories to
evolution, "including, but not limited to, intelligent design," the battle
lines might have shifted to include York County.
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/main/45962/
Also see "Parents react to decision: Some don't mind religion in school.
Others fear costly litigation." at http://ydr.com/story/main/45963/
Any guesses on what will happen if a teacher refuses to teach ID on th
egrounds that it is disguised religion (or simply on the grounds that it is
junk science and should not be taught any more than astrology during an
astronomy lesson)?
Will we see a big court case? Or just a parent's lawsuit complaining that
the local school is trying to preach religion during a science lesson?
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| User: "R Brown" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Dover curriculum move likely a first |
21 Oct 2004 07:35:54 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2to48sF21kq08U1@uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
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When the Dover Area School Board voted to require the teaching of
intelligent
design Monday night, it likely became the first district in the United
States
to do so.
Until now, the battleground over intelligent design ? the theory that all
life
was created by a divine being ? has been largely fought in states such as
Kansas and Ohio.
But with Dover's 6-to-3 vote in favor of teaching alternative theories to
evolution, "including, but not limited to, intelligent design," the battle
lines might have shifted to include York County.
--------------------------------------
Read it at http://ydr.com/story/main/45962/
Also see "Parents react to decision: Some don't mind religion in school.
Others fear costly litigation." at http://ydr.com/story/main/45963/
As a high school Biology teacher who teaches the Theory of Evolution every
year, I'd love to see what a lesson plan for Intelligent Design would look
like. Has anyone seen such a thing or could anyone postulate as to what it
would look like?
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Seppo Pietikainen" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Dover curriculum move likely a first |
21 Oct 2004 10:24:04 AM |
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R Brown wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2to48sF21kq08U1@uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
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When the Dover Area School Board voted to require the teaching of
intelligent
design Monday night, it likely became the first district in the United
States
to do so.
Until now, the battleground over intelligent design ? the theory that all
life
was created by a divine being ? has been largely fought in states such as
Kansas and Ohio.
But with Dover's 6-to-3 vote in favor of teaching alternative theories to
evolution, "including, but not limited to, intelligent design," the battle
lines might have shifted to include York County.
--------------------------------------
Read it at http://ydr.com/story/main/45962/
Also see "Parents react to decision: Some don't mind religion in school.
Others fear costly litigation." at http://ydr.com/story/main/45963/
As a high school Biology teacher who teaches the Theory of Evolution every
year, I'd love to see what a lesson plan for Intelligent Design would look
like. Has anyone seen such a thing or could anyone postulate as to what it
would look like?
J. Spaceman
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to it
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Morning Kids.
goddidit.
Class dismissed.
Seppo P.
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| User: "EjP" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Dover curriculum move likely a first |
21 Oct 2004 09:34:25 AM |
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R Brown wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2to48sF21kq08U1@uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
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When the Dover Area School Board voted to require the teaching of
intelligent
design Monday night, it likely became the first district in the United
States
to do so.
Until now, the battleground over intelligent design ? the theory that all
life
was created by a divine being ? has been largely fought in states such as
Kansas and Ohio.
But with Dover's 6-to-3 vote in favor of teaching alternative theories to
evolution, "including, but not limited to, intelligent design," the battle
lines might have shifted to include York County.
--------------------------------------
Read it at http://ydr.com/story/main/45962/
Also see "Parents react to decision: Some don't mind religion in school.
Others fear costly litigation." at http://ydr.com/story/main/45963/
As a high school Biology teacher who teaches the Theory of Evolution every
year, I'd love to see what a lesson plan for Intelligent Design would look
like. Has anyone seen such a thing or could anyone postulate as to what it
would look like?
I remember somthing like this happened when I was in grade school in
the 70's. One day my science teacher came in and grumbled "I've been
told that I have to teach 'alternate theories' for how the Earth
and life began. OK, some people think it was all done by God;
that's about all there is to say.". That's the most sensible curriculum.
Unfortunately, I suspect the IDiots will push a curriculum
which focuses on lingering questions in the theory of
Evolution. That's actually an excellent thing to do, IF it's
done in the spirit of showing that unanswered questions
are what make science interesting. However, the UNintelligent
Design position is that:
- As of (today's date), science has learned all it will
ever learn.
- Any questions which cannot be readily and definitively
answered on (today's date) must be the result of
devine intervention.
We can easily imagine this same reasoning being applied
to Ptolemy's solar system (*clearly* the product of
intelligence), atomic spectra, or the orbit or Mercury
not all that long ago.
-E
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Ken Shaw" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Dover curriculum move likely a first |
21 Oct 2004 08:03:21 AM |
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R Brown wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2to48sF21kq08U1@uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
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When the Dover Area School Board voted to require the teaching of
intelligent
design Monday night, it likely became the first district in the United
States
to do so.
Until now, the battleground over intelligent design ? the theory that all
life
was created by a divine being ? has been largely fought in states such as
Kansas and Ohio.
But with Dover's 6-to-3 vote in favor of teaching alternative theories to
evolution, "including, but not limited to, intelligent design," the battle
lines might have shifted to include York County.
--------------------------------------
Read it at http://ydr.com/story/main/45962/
Also see "Parents react to decision: Some don't mind religion in school.
Others fear costly litigation." at http://ydr.com/story/main/45963/
As a high school Biology teacher who teaches the Theory of Evolution every
year, I'd love to see what a lesson plan for Intelligent Design would look
like. Has anyone seen such a thing or could anyone postulate as to what it
would look like?
goddidit.
HTH
Ken
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| User: "Ferrous Patella" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Dover curriculum move likely a first |
21 Oct 2004 11:33:43 AM |
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news:R9Odd.173311$a41.48793@pd7tw2no by R Brown <rbrown@hotmail.com>:
As a high school Biology teacher who teaches the Theory of Evolution
every year, I'd love to see what a lesson plan for Intelligent Design
would look like. Has anyone seen such a thing or could anyone
postulate as to what it would look like?
There is, of course, none. Which is why the folks at the Discovery
Institute are in a swivet and are saying Dover BoE has gone "too far". The
DI knows that ID will be exposed the empty shell that it is if anyone
actually tries to teach it.
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Ferrous Patella (Homo gerardii)
T.A., Philosophy Lab
University of Ediacara
"Nature as God's "reality" show - what a concept!"
--A t.o. poster who wishes to remain anonymous
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Dover curriculum move likely a first |
21 Oct 2004 01:40:39 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:33:43 +0000 (UTC),
Ferrous Patella <mail125797@pop.net> wrote:
news:R9Odd.173311$a41.48793@pd7tw2no by R Brown <rbrown@hotmail.com>:
As a high school Biology teacher who teaches the Theory of Evolution
every year, I'd love to see what a lesson plan for Intelligent Design
would look like. Has anyone seen such a thing or could anyone
postulate as to what it would look like?
There is, of course, none. Which is why the folks at the Discovery
Institute are in a swivet and are saying Dover BoE has gone "too far". The
DI knows that ID will be exposed the empty shell that it is if anyone
actually tries to teach it.
It's a pretty laughable situation.
Dover BoE : "Okay, Discovery Institute, we buy into whole-heartedly and our
lawyer, who seemed sorta sober when we asked him if we could teach
Intelligent Design without getting sued, insisted everything was A-okay. So
we've got these science teachers here who need the curriculum. Get it to us
pronto! It's time to put that godless atheistic Darwinism in its place, and
you've made such a compelling case (that's what our pastor said, and he
seemed almost as sober as our lawyer), there's no time to lose!"
Discovery Institute : "Um... er... um... um... er... um... hmmm... eh? um...
um... er... Well, um... it's... um... like this... <cough> you should be
<cough> teaching the kids the flaws in evolution... <cough> um... obviously
that's the... um... correct approach... <crinkles paper, covers mouth>
Look... phone connection... really... bad."
Dover BoE : "So we can expect a lesson plan within a few weeks, right?"
Discovery Institute : <click>
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Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
"My illness is due to my doctor's insistence that I drink milk, a
whitish fluid they force down helpless babies." - WC Fields
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| User: "Joseph Benson" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Dover curriculum move likely a first |
21 Oct 2004 09:15:50 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2to48sF21kq08U1@uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
--------------------------------------
When the Dover Area School Board voted to require the teaching of
intelligent
design Monday night, it likely became the first district in the United
States
to do so.
Until now, the battleground over intelligent design ? the theory that all
life
was created by a divine being ? has been largely fought in states such as
Kansas and Ohio.
But with Dover's 6-to-3 vote in favor of teaching alternative theories to
evolution, "including, but not limited to, intelligent design," the battle
lines might have shifted to include York County.
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I wonder if they will vote in alternative history to be taught? Or maybe
alternative math?
Ha,
Joe
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| User: "Alan Jeffery" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Dover curriculum move likely a first |
21 Oct 2004 03:47:01 PM |
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"Joseph Benson" <jbenson@dcr.net> wrote in message
news:fqPdd.21194$qH3.70@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2to48sF21kq08U1@uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
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When the Dover Area School Board voted to require the teaching of
intelligent
design Monday night, it likely became the first district in the United
States
to do so.
Until now, the battleground over intelligent design ? the theory that
all
life
was created by a divine being ? has been largely fought in states such
as
Kansas and Ohio.
But with Dover's 6-to-3 vote in favor of teaching alternative theories
to
evolution, "including, but not limited to, intelligent design," the
battle
lines might have shifted to include York County.
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I wonder if they will vote in alternative history to be taught? Or
maybe
alternative math?
Don't laugh, it could happen. A while back we had a bunch of folks pushing
Maori "maths" and "science". But there was a slight problem - when all said
and done it was either nothing at all, or nothing different from basic,
ordinary, arithmetic. Sometimes it doesn't pay to get what you want.
Alan Jeffery
Ha,
Joe
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| User: "John Norris" |
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21 Oct 2004 03:46:45 PM |
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"Joseph Benson" <jbenson@dcr.net> wrote in message news:<fqPdd.21194$qH3.70@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2to48sF21kq08U1@uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
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When the Dover Area School Board voted to require the teaching of
intelligent
design Monday night, it likely became the first district in the United
States
to do so.
Until now, the battleground over intelligent design ? the theory that all
life
was created by a divine being ? has been largely fought in states such as
Kansas and Ohio.
But with Dover's 6-to-3 vote in favor of teaching alternative theories to
evolution, "including, but not limited to, intelligent design," the battle
lines might have shifted to include York County.
--------------------------------------
I wonder if they will vote in alternative history to be taught? Or maybe
alternative math?
Ha,
Joe
Teach alternative sexual practices so the kids can make up their own minds.
JohnN
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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21 Oct 2004 03:55:44 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:46:45 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) wrote:
Teach alternative sexual practices so the kids can make up their own minds.
On the other hand...
JohnN
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| User: "Harry K" |
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21 Oct 2004 09:22:18 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<309gn0prvilo02r2tf4uhti81sa42knic2@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:46:45 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) wrote:
Teach alternative sexual practices so the kids can make up their own minds.
On the other hand...
JohnN
Other hand??...damn, now why didn't I think of that.
Harry K
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| User: "John Norris" |
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22 Oct 2004 01:52:46 PM |
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(Harry K) wrote in message news:<751f8d35.0410211830.209902e@posting.google.com>...
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<309gn0prvilo02r2tf4uhti81sa42knic2@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:46:45 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) wrote:
Teach alternative sexual practices so the kids can make up their own minds.
On the other hand...
JohnN
Other hand??...damn, now why didn't I think of that.
Harry K
Practice and you can be ambidextrous.
JohnN
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