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In the News: Emotions rage at book hearing |
From the article:
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AUSTIN — A public hearing on whether biology textbooks should include
what some call weaknesses in the theory of evolution drew an
emotional, standing-room-only crowd on both sides of the issue
Wednesday, with each side worried about how the origins of life will
be taught to teens.
The debate raging before the State Board of Education pits scientist
against scientist, teacher against teacher.
"This process seems like it will never end," Steven Schafersman,
president of Texas Citizens for Science, said of the continual battle
over the high school texts.
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Read the rest at http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=180&xlc=1053238
J. Spaceman
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11 Sep 2003 10:00:40 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
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AUSTIN - A public hearing on whether biology textbooks should include
what some call weaknesses in the theory of evolution drew an
emotional, standing-room-only crowd on both sides of the issue
Wednesday, with each side worried about how the origins of life will
be taught to teens.
The debate raging before the State Board of Education pits scientist
against scientist, teacher against teacher.
"This process seems like it will never end," Steven Schafersman,
president of Texas Citizens for Science, said of the continual battle
over the high school texts.
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Read the rest at
http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfmxla=saen&xlb=180&xlc=1053238
Excerpt:
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Intelligent design or creationism should never be part of a biology class,
testified the Rev. Roger Paynter, with the First Baptist Church in Austin.
"It is my deep conviction that creation flows from the hand of a creator
God," he said. "But that is a statement of faith and not something that I or
anyone else can prove in a scientific experiment. To lead children to
believe otherwise is a disservice to them."
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Someone give this guy a hug.
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11 Sep 2003 07:42:43 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:00:40 +0000 (UTC), "Geoff Offermann"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Excerpt:
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Intelligent design or creationism should never be part of a biology class,
testified the Rev. Roger Paynter, with the First Baptist Church in Austin.
"It is my deep conviction that creation flows from the hand of a creator
God," he said. "But that is a statement of faith and not something that I or
anyone else can prove in a scientific experiment. To lead children to
believe otherwise is a disservice to them."
.........................
Someone give this guy a hug.
Or send him a supportive e-mail at <RogerP@fbcaus.org>
Viv
Vivienne Smythe
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"Some believe all manner of hearsay evidence; others twist truth
into fiction; and both sorts of error are magnified by time."
[Cornelius Tacitus, _The Annals of Imperial Rome_ c.100CE]
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11 Sep 2003 07:56:10 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:42:43 +0000 (UTC), Viv <viv@viv.id.au> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:00:40 +0000 (UTC), "Geoff Offermann"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Excerpt:
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Intelligent design or creationism should never be part of a biology class,
testified the Rev. Roger Paynter, with the First Baptist Church in Austin.
"It is my deep conviction that creation flows from the hand of a creator
God," he said. "But that is a statement of faith and not something that I or
anyone else can prove in a scientific experiment. To lead children to
believe otherwise is a disservice to them."
.........................
Someone give this guy a hug.
Or send him a supportive e-mail at <RogerP@fbcaus.org>
You mean like I just did?
Lizz 'Viv? Is that thee?' Holmans
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i feel as visible as a hyphen but not half as self assured--archy
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11 Sep 2003 08:24:59 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:56:10 +0000 (UTC), Lizz Holmans
<dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:42:43 +0000 (UTC), Viv <viv@viv.id.au> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:00:40 +0000 (UTC), "Geoff Offermann"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Excerpt:
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Intelligent design or creationism should never be part of a biology class,
testified the Rev. Roger Paynter, with the First Baptist Church in Austin.
"It is my deep conviction that creation flows from the hand of a creator
God," he said. "But that is a statement of faith and not something that I or
anyone else can prove in a scientific experiment. To lead children to
believe otherwise is a disservice to them."
.........................
Someone give this guy a hug.
Or send him a supportive e-mail at <RogerP@fbcaus.org>
You mean like I just did?
Lizz 'Viv? Is that thee?' Holmans
'tis me indeed. Good to see ya, Lizz.
The more I see of such inane debates about limiting the putative creator
deity to the timescale of human history, the gladder I am to live outside
the USA. As Lizz knows, I am not a believer. I just don't understand why
some believers want their God to remain small and confined to an interest in
only one species on this one planet instead of celebrating their Creator as
the billions-of-years-in-the-making author of all the awesome spectacle of
the cosmos which science shows us.
Vivienne Smythe
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"Some believe all manner of hearsay evidence; others twist truth
into fiction; and both sorts of error are magnified by time."
[Cornelius Tacitus, _The Annals of Imperial Rome_ c.100CE]
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12 Sep 2003 05:51:06 AM |
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"Viv" <viv@viv.id.au> wrote in message
news:7o62mvc12roqb40bs2kvn1m9r6ahvac7cf@4ax.com...
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:56:10 +0000 (UTC), Lizz Holmans
<dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:42:43 +0000 (UTC), Viv <viv@viv.id.au> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:00:40 +0000 (UTC), "Geoff Offermann"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Excerpt:
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Intelligent design or creationism should never be part of a biology
class,
testified the Rev. Roger Paynter, with the First Baptist Church in
Austin.
"It is my deep conviction that creation flows from the hand of a
creator
God," he said. "But that is a statement of faith and not something that
I or
anyone else can prove in a scientific experiment. To lead children to
believe otherwise is a disservice to them."
.........................
Someone give this guy a hug.
Or send him a supportive e-mail at <RogerP@fbcaus.org>
You mean like I just did?
Lizz 'Viv? Is that thee?' Holmans
'tis me indeed. Good to see ya, Lizz.
The more I see of such inane debates about limiting the putative creator
deity to the timescale of human history, the gladder I am to live outside
the USA.
Just you wait. As Creationism gains ground in the USA, we will export it
to the rest of the world; like we did with Levi's, McDonald's, Coca Cola,
General Motors, Rock Music, Blues and Jazz, (as well as dear Britney). We
haven' t been so successful with our beers for some odd reason.
The American Spirit is irrepressible and soon we will remake all of the
world in our image, and that includes suppressing science and independent
thought in the name of Creationism. That is, of course, the whole point
behind our imperialist war against Iraq.
As Lizz knows, I am not a believer. I just don't understand why
some believers want their God to remain small and confined to an interest
in
only one species on this one planet instead of celebrating their Creator
as
the billions-of-years-in-the-making author of all the awesome spectacle of
the cosmos which science shows us.
Vivienne Smythe
--
"Some believe all manner of hearsay evidence; others twist truth
into fiction; and both sorts of error are magnified by time."
[Cornelius Tacitus, _The Annals of Imperial Rome_ c.100CE]
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12 Sep 2003 10:18:49 AM |
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"Pithecanthropus erectus" <tuibguy@comcast.net> wrote in
news:tBh8b.425130$uu5.76491@sccrnsc04:
"Viv" <viv@viv.id.au> wrote in message
news:7o62mvc12roqb40bs2kvn1m9r6ahvac7cf@4ax.com...
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:56:10 +0000 (UTC), Lizz Holmans
<dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:42:43 +0000 (UTC), Viv <viv@viv.id.au> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:00:40 +0000 (UTC), "Geoff Offermann"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Excerpt:
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Intelligent design or creationism should never be part of a
biology
class,
testified the Rev. Roger Paynter, with the First Baptist Church in
Austin.
"It is my deep conviction that creation flows from the hand of a
creator
God," he said. "But that is a statement of faith and not something
that
I or
anyone else can prove in a scientific experiment. To lead children
to believe otherwise is a disservice to them."
.........................
Someone give this guy a hug.
Or send him a supportive e-mail at <RogerP@fbcaus.org>
You mean like I just did?
Lizz 'Viv? Is that thee?' Holmans
'tis me indeed. Good to see ya, Lizz.
The more I see of such inane debates about limiting the putative
creator deity to the timescale of human history, the gladder I am to
live outside the USA.
Just you wait. As Creationism gains ground in the USA, we will
export it to the rest of the world; like we did with Levi's,
McDonald's, Coca Cola, General Motors, Rock Music, Blues and Jazz, (as
well as dear Britney). We haven' t been so successful with our beers
for some odd reason.
[snip]
That's because we only recently started making beer. Those big companies
that call themselves breweries just make an adult sodapop for
"joe-sixpack" and his weekend pickup repairs. Leaving the microbrews for
those of us who enjoy a good beer. There's just not enough to export.
--
-- Cd -- Christopher Denney
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The symbol is not the thing.
Perfection is neither obtainable nor desirable.
Incoming fire has right-of-way.
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14 Sep 2003 01:55:48 AM |
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Christopher Denney <chris@DO.pagan.NOT.net.SPAM> wrote in message news:<Xns93F45F5172181chrispagannet@66.151.160.13>...
"Pithecanthropus erectus" <tuibguy@comcast.net> wrote in
news:tBh8b.425130$uu5.76491@sccrnsc04:
"Viv" <viv@viv.id.au> wrote in message
news:7o62mvc12roqb40bs2kvn1m9r6ahvac7cf@4ax.com...
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:56:10 +0000 (UTC), Lizz Holmans
<dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:42:43 +0000 (UTC), Viv <viv@viv.id.au> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:00:40 +0000 (UTC), "Geoff Offermann"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Excerpt:
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Intelligent design or creationism should never be part of a
biology
class,
testified the Rev. Roger Paynter, with the First Baptist Church in
Austin.
"It is my deep conviction that creation flows from the hand of a
creator
God," he said. "But that is a statement of faith and not something
that
I or
anyone else can prove in a scientific experiment. To lead children
to believe otherwise is a disservice to them."
.........................
Someone give this guy a hug.
Or send him a supportive e-mail at <RogerP@fbcaus.org>
You mean like I just did?
Lizz 'Viv? Is that thee?' Holmans
'tis me indeed. Good to see ya, Lizz.
The more I see of such inane debates about limiting the putative
creator deity to the timescale of human history, the gladder I am to
live outside the USA.
Just you wait. As Creationism gains ground in the USA, we will
export it to the rest of the world; like we did with Levi's,
McDonald's, Coca Cola, General Motors, Rock Music, Blues and Jazz, (as
well as dear Britney). We haven't been so successful with our beers
for some odd reason.
[snip]
That's because we only recently started making beer. Those big companies
that call themselves breweries just make an adult sodapop for
"joe-sixpack" and his weekend pickup repairs. Leaving the microbrews for
those of us who enjoy a good beer. There's just not enough to export.
As a beer drinker from outside the US despite the international image
that Homer J Simpson protrays I found US folks arnt quite the drinkers
the Europeans are. The only two US beer I can think of are Budwieser
(which is originally a Czech beer see http://www.budvar.cz/) and
Miller - which I don't see that often over here. This is probably due
to the Europeans (especially the Czechs) make such good beer. The
Australians arnt bad at it either.
Totally off topic again.....
Stew Dean
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17 Sep 2003 03:05:52 PM |
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"stew dean" <stewart@webslave.dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2b68957a.0309132259.7c31ce11@posting.google.com...
Christopher Denney <chris@DO.pagan.NOT.net.SPAM> wrote in message
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"Pithecanthropus erectus" <tuibguy@comcast.net> wrote in
news:tBh8b.425130$uu5.76491@sccrnsc04:
"Viv" <viv@viv.id.au> wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:56:10 +0000 (UTC), Lizz Holmans
<dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:42:43 +0000 (UTC), Viv <viv@viv.id.au> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:00:40 +0000 (UTC), "Geoff Offermann"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Excerpt:
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Intelligent design or creationism should never be part of a
biology
class,
testified the Rev. Roger Paynter, with the First Baptist Church in
Austin.
"It is my deep conviction that creation flows from the hand of a
creator
God," he said. "But that is a statement of faith and not something
that
I or
anyone else can prove in a scientific experiment. To lead children
to believe otherwise is a disservice to them."
.........................
Someone give this guy a hug.
Or send him a supportive e-mail at <RogerP@fbcaus.org>
You mean like I just did?
Lizz 'Viv? Is that thee?' Holmans
'tis me indeed. Good to see ya, Lizz.
The more I see of such inane debates about limiting the putative
creator deity to the timescale of human history, the gladder I am to
live outside the USA.
Just you wait. As Creationism gains ground in the USA, we will
export it to the rest of the world; like we did with Levi's,
McDonald's, Coca Cola, General Motors, Rock Music, Blues and Jazz, (as
well as dear Britney). We haven't been so successful with our beers
for some odd reason.
[snip]
That's because we only recently started making beer. Those big companies
that call themselves breweries just make an adult sodapop for
"joe-sixpack" and his weekend pickup repairs. Leaving the microbrews for
those of us who enjoy a good beer. There's just not enough to export.
As a beer drinker from outside the US despite the international image
that Homer J Simpson protrays I found US folks arnt quite the drinkers
the Europeans are. The only two US beer I can think of are Budwieser
(which is originally a Czech beer see http://www.budvar.cz/) and
Miller - which I don't see that often over here. This is probably due
to the Europeans (especially the Czechs) make such good beer. The
Australians arnt bad at it either.
American Breweries with world-class beer:
Brooklyn Brewery
Anchor Brewing Co.
Sierra-Nevada
Penn Brewing (in Pittsburgh PA!)
Yuengling Brewing Co.
Totally off topic again.....
Stew Dean
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17 Sep 2003 04:25:43 PM |
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American Breweries with world-class beer:
Brooklyn Brewery
Anchor Brewing Co.
Sierra-Nevada
Penn Brewing (in Pittsburgh PA!)
Yuengling Brewing Co.
Add the Matt Brewing Co. in Utica, NY...brewers of Saranac Beer.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Ill-Legal Dept. "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here"
"My country, right or wrong; to be defended when right and righted when wrong."
- Thomas Jefferson
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17 Sep 2003 03:35:37 PM |
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Jim Helfer wrote:
"stew dean" <stewart@webslave.dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Christopher Denney <chris@DO.pagan.NOT.net.SPAM> wrote in message
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"Pithecanthropus erectus" <tuibguy@comcast.net> wrote in
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"Viv" <viv@viv.id.au> wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:56:10 +0000 (UTC), Lizz Holmans
<dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:42:43 +0000 (UTC), Viv <viv@viv.id.au> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:00:40 +0000 (UTC), "Geoff Offermann"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Excerpt:
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Intelligent design or creationism should never be part of a
biology
class,
testified the Rev. Roger Paynter, with the First Baptist Church in
Austin.
"It is my deep conviction that creation flows from the hand of a
creator
God," he said. "But that is a statement of faith and not something
that
I or
anyone else can prove in a scientific experiment. To lead children
to believe otherwise is a disservice to them."
.........................
Someone give this guy a hug.
Or send him a supportive e-mail at <RogerP@fbcaus.org>
You mean like I just did?
Lizz 'Viv? Is that thee?' Holmans
'tis me indeed. Good to see ya, Lizz.
The more I see of such inane debates about limiting the putative
creator deity to the timescale of human history, the gladder I am to
live outside the USA.
Just you wait. As Creationism gains ground in the USA, we will
export it to the rest of the world; like we did with Levi's,
McDonald's, Coca Cola, General Motors, Rock Music, Blues and Jazz, (as
well as dear Britney). We haven't been so successful with our beers
for some odd reason.
[snip]
That's because we only recently started making beer. Those big companies
that call themselves breweries just make an adult sodapop for
"joe-sixpack" and his weekend pickup repairs. Leaving the microbrews for
those of us who enjoy a good beer. There's just not enough to export.
As a beer drinker from outside the US despite the international image
that Homer J Simpson protrays I found US folks arnt quite the drinkers
the Europeans are. The only two US beer I can think of are Budwieser
(which is originally a Czech beer see http://www.budvar.cz/) and
Miller - which I don't see that often over here. This is probably due
to the Europeans (especially the Czechs) make such good beer. The
Australians arnt bad at it either.
American Breweries with world-class beer:
Brooklyn Brewery
Anchor Brewing Co.
Sierra-Nevada
Penn Brewing (in Pittsburgh PA!)
Yuengling Brewing Co.
What happened to Brew 102, from fine Los Angeles water? At $0.89 a six
pack, it got me through college.
Totally off topic again.....
Stew Dean
--
Richard Uhrich
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"so skeptical, I can hardly believe it" -- Penn Jillette quoting Chip Denman
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17 Sep 2003 07:21:04 PM |
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"Richard Uhrich" <uhrich@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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Jim Helfer wrote:
"stew dean" <stewart@webslave.dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Christopher Denney <chris@DO.pagan.NOT.net.SPAM> wrote in message
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"Pithecanthropus erectus" <tuibguy@comcast.net> wrote in
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"Viv" <viv@viv.id.au> wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:56:10 +0000 (UTC), Lizz Holmans
<dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:42:43 +0000 (UTC), Viv <viv@viv.id.au> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:00:40 +0000 (UTC), "Geoff Offermann"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Excerpt:
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Intelligent design or creationism should never be part of a
biology
class,
testified the Rev. Roger Paynter, with the First Baptist Church in
Austin.
"It is my deep conviction that creation flows from the hand of a
creator
God," he said. "But that is a statement of faith and not something
that
I or
anyone else can prove in a scientific experiment. To lead children
to believe otherwise is a disservice to them."
.........................
Someone give this guy a hug.
Or send him a supportive e-mail at <RogerP@fbcaus.org>
You mean like I just did?
Lizz 'Viv? Is that thee?' Holmans
'tis me indeed. Good to see ya, Lizz.
The more I see of such inane debates about limiting the putative
creator deity to the timescale of human history, the gladder I am to
live outside the USA.
Just you wait. As Creationism gains ground in the USA, we will
export it to the rest of the world; like we did with Levi's,
McDonald's, Coca Cola, General Motors, Rock Music, Blues and Jazz, (as
well as dear Britney). We haven't been so successful with our beers
for some odd reason.
[snip]
That's because we only recently started making beer. Those big
companies
that call themselves breweries just make an adult sodapop for
"joe-sixpack" and his weekend pickup repairs. Leaving the microbrews
for
those of us who enjoy a good beer. There's just not enough to export.
As a beer drinker from outside the US despite the international image
that Homer J Simpson protrays I found US folks arnt quite the drinkers
the Europeans are. The only two US beer I can think of are Budwieser
(which is originally a Czech beer see http://www.budvar.cz/) and
Miller - which I don't see that often over here. This is probably due
to the Europeans (especially the Czechs) make such good beer. The
Australians arnt bad at it either.
American Breweries with world-class beer:
Brooklyn Brewery
Anchor Brewing Co.
Sierra-Nevada
Penn Brewing (in Pittsburgh PA!)
Yuengling Brewing Co.
What happened to Brew 102, from fine Los Angeles water? At $0.89 a six
pack, it got me through college.
Dunno, never been that far west. We serve the troops here (people that
come to our parties at S.C.A. camps) Old German or Pabst-Blue Ribbon.
Jim
Totally off topic again.....
Stew Dean
--
Richard Uhrich
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"so skeptical, I can hardly believe it" -- Penn Jillette quoting Chip
Denman
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| User: "Harry K" |
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14 Sep 2003 09:01:52 AM |
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(stew dean) wrote in message news:<2b68957a.0309132259.7c31ce11@posting.google.com>...
<snip>
Just you wait. As Creationism gains ground in the USA, we will
export it to the rest of the world; like we did with Levi's,
McDonald's, Coca Cola, General Motors, Rock Music, Blues and Jazz, (as
well as dear Britney). We haven't been so successful with our beers
for some odd reason.
[snip]
That's because we only recently started making beer. Those big companies
that call themselves breweries just make an adult sodapop for
"joe-sixpack" and his weekend pickup repairs. Leaving the microbrews for
those of us who enjoy a good beer. There's just not enough to export.
As a beer drinker from outside the US despite the international image
that Homer J Simpson protrays I found US folks arnt quite the drinkers
the Europeans are. The only two US beer I can think of are Budwieser
(which is originally a Czech beer see http://www.budvar.cz/) and
Miller - which I don't see that often over here. This is probably due
to the Europeans (especially the Czechs) make such good beer. The
Australians arnt bad at it either.
Totally off topic again.....
Stew Dean
Okay, also OT; When I was stationed in Germany, the NCO club had to
carry american beers and was expect to sell it. The only way they
could get rid of it for money was to new arrivals. Then they started
giving it away, 1 american to 1 german.
Harry K
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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14 Sep 2003 10:35:19 PM |
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In talk.origins, (stew dean) wrote in
<2b68957a.0309132259.7c31ce11@posting.google.com>:
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As a beer drinker from outside the US despite the international image
that Homer J Simpson protrays I found US folks arnt quite the drinkers
the Europeans are. The only two US beer I can think of are Budwieser
(which is originally a Czech beer see http://www.budvar.cz/)
Doors music on the flash screen?
and
Miller - which I don't see that often over here. This is probably due
to the Europeans (especially the Czechs) make such good beer. The
Australians arnt bad at it either.
It might be misleading to call attention to AB Bud's rip-off of a name,
but nothing else, of an original Czech beer. Budvar doesn't put rice in
their beer, does it?
It is nice to see the EU poking AB in the eye in support of good food.
Totally off topic again.....
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| Title: Re: In the News: Emotions rage at book hearing |
12 Sep 2003 10:58:06 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:24:59 +0000, Viv <viv@viv.id.au> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:56:10 +0000 (UTC), Lizz Holmans
<dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:42:43 +0000 (UTC), Viv <viv@viv.id.au> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:00:40 +0000 (UTC), "Geoff Offermann"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Excerpt:
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Intelligent design or creationism should never be part of a biology
class, testified the Rev. Roger Paynter, with the First Baptist Church
in Austin. "It is my deep conviction that creation flows from the hand
of a creator God," he said. "But that is a statement of faith and not
something that I or anyone else can prove in a scientific experiment.
To lead children to believe otherwise is a disservice to them."
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Someone give this guy a hug.
Or send him a supportive e-mail at <RogerP@fbcaus.org>
You mean like I just did?
Lizz 'Viv? Is that thee?' Holmans
'tis me indeed. Good to see ya, Lizz.
The more I see of such inane debates about limiting the putative creator
deity to the timescale of human history, the gladder I am to live outside
the USA. As Lizz knows, I am not a believer. I just don't understand why
some believers want their God to remain small and confined to an interest
in only one species on this one planet instead of celebrating their
Creator as the billions-of-years-in-the-making author of all the awesome
spectacle of the cosmos which science shows us.
Vivienne Smythe
God is too much trouble if He gets out of His box.
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Bill Hudson
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| User: "Lizz Holmans" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Emotions rage at book hearing |
12 Sep 2003 12:12:19 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:58:06 +0000 (UTC), "Bill Hudson"
<hudsonwj@yahoo.com> wrote:
The more I see of such inane debates about limiting the putative creator
deity to the timescale of human history, the gladder I am to live outside
the USA. As Lizz knows, I am not a believer. I just don't understand why
some believers want their God to remain small and confined to an interest
in only one species on this one planet instead of celebrating their
Creator as the billions-of-years-in-the-making author of all the awesome
spectacle of the cosmos which science shows us.
Vivienne Smythe
God is too much trouble if He gets out of His box.
I don't keep God in a box--he's not a cat, you know.
Lizz 'although my cats think they are gods' Holmans
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i feel as visible as a hyphen but not half as self assured--archy
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