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"Jason Spaceman" |
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02 Aug 2006 03:52:31 AM |
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In the News: Evolution's foes lose ground in Kansas |
From the article:
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Darwin’s defenders increase their strength on Board of Education
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
TOPEKA, Kan. - Conservative Republicans who approved classroom
standards that called evolution into question lost control of the
state Board of Education in Tuesday's primary election.
Five of the 10 seats on the board were up for election in the primary,
the latest skirmish in a seesawing battle between faith and science
that has opened Kansas up to international ridicule.
Last November, the Board of Education’s 6-to-4 conservative Republican
majority rewrote testing standards for public schools to incorporate
language supported by advocates of intelligent design, which holds
that life is so complex it must have been created by some kind of
higher power. The new standards say that some aspects of evolution are
contradicted by scientific evidence.
On Tuesday, three members of the majority faced GOP primary foes who
support evolution. A fourth Republican conservative is retiring, and
her seat was up for grabs.
The fifth seat was held by Janet Waugh, a Kansas City Democrat who
opposed the new standards. Facing a more conservative Democrat who
favored the anti-evolution language, she won with 65 percent of the
vote and will be unopposed in the fall.
With the unofficial count virtually complete, two of the three
conservative Republican incumbents — John Bacon and Ken Willard — held
onto their spots on the ballot.
However, the third conservative, Connie Morris, lost to Sally Cauble,
a moderate Republican who supports evolution. Meanwhile, the
Republican nod for the board's open seat went to another moderate,
Jana Shaver. That combination would swing the balance of power toward
those who oppose the board's current educational standards.
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Read it at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14137751/
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Evolution's foes lose ground in Kansas |
02 Aug 2006 09:28:13 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Darwin's defenders increase their strength on Board of Education
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
TOPEKA, Kan. - Conservative Republicans who approved classroom
standards that called evolution into question lost control of the
state Board of Education in Tuesday's primary election.
Five of the 10 seats on the board were up for election in the primary,
the latest skirmish in a seesawing battle between faith and science
that has opened Kansas up to international ridicule.
Last November, the Board of Education's 6-to-4 conservative Republican
majority rewrote testing standards for public schools to incorporate
language supported by advocates of intelligent design, which holds
that life is so complex it must have been created by some kind of
higher power. The new standards say that some aspects of evolution are
contradicted by scientific evidence.
On Tuesday, three members of the majority faced GOP primary foes who
support evolution. A fourth Republican conservative is retiring, and
her seat was up for grabs.
The fifth seat was held by Janet Waugh, a Kansas City Democrat who
opposed the new standards. Facing a more conservative Democrat who
favored the anti-evolution language, she won with 65 percent of the
vote and will be unopposed in the fall.
With the unofficial count virtually complete, two of the three
conservative Republican incumbents - John Bacon and Ken Willard - held
onto their spots on the ballot.
However, the third conservative, Connie Morris, lost to Sally Cauble,
a moderate Republican who supports evolution. Meanwhile, the
Republican nod for the board's open seat went to another moderate,
Jana Shaver. That combination would swing the balance of power toward
those who oppose the board's current educational standards.
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Read it at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14137751/
Just as I predicted :D
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/browse_frm/thread/5552e1b9490939bb/34be631910d205b7?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#34be631910d205b7
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| User: "Harry K" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Evolution's foes lose ground in Kansas |
02 Aug 2006 11:18:47 AM |
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Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Darwin's defenders increase their strength on Board of Education
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
TOPEKA, Kan. - Conservative Republicans who approved classroom
standards that called evolution into question lost control of the
state Board of Education in Tuesday's primary election.
Five of the 10 seats on the board were up for election in the primary,
the latest skirmish in a seesawing battle between faith and science
that has opened Kansas up to international ridicule.
Last November, the Board of Education's 6-to-4 conservative Republican
majority rewrote testing standards for public schools to incorporate
language supported by advocates of intelligent design, which holds
that life is so complex it must have been created by some kind of
higher power. The new standards say that some aspects of evolution are
contradicted by scientific evidence.
On Tuesday, three members of the majority faced GOP primary foes who
support evolution. A fourth Republican conservative is retiring, and
her seat was up for grabs.
The fifth seat was held by Janet Waugh, a Kansas City Democrat who
opposed the new standards. Facing a more conservative Democrat who
favored the anti-evolution language, she won with 65 percent of the
vote and will be unopposed in the fall.
With the unofficial count virtually complete, two of the three
conservative Republican incumbents - John Bacon and Ken Willard - held
onto their spots on the ballot.
However, the third conservative, Connie Morris, lost to Sally Cauble,
a moderate Republican who supports evolution. Meanwhile, the
Republican nod for the board's open seat went to another moderate,
Jana Shaver. That combination would swing the balance of power toward
those who oppose the board's current educational standards.
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Read it at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14137751/
Just as I predicted :D
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/browse_frm/thread/5552e1b9490939bb/34be631910d205b7?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#34be631910d205b7
Looks like the trend is continuing. Seems every time there is an
election in which evolution has a big part, the creationist supporters
loose. May be a wrong impression though.
Harry K
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| User: "Robert Grumbine" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Evolution's foes lose ground in Kansas |
03 Aug 2006 08:38:00 AM |
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In article <1154535527.368753.221390@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Harry K <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Darwin's defenders increase their strength on Board of Education
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
TOPEKA, Kan. - Conservative Republicans who approved classroom
standards that called evolution into question lost control of the
state Board of Education in Tuesday's primary election.
Five of the 10 seats on the board were up for election in the primary,
the latest skirmish in a seesawing battle between faith and science
that has opened Kansas up to international ridicule.
Last November, the Board of Education's 6-to-4 conservative Republican
majority rewrote testing standards for public schools to incorporate
language supported by advocates of intelligent design, which holds
that life is so complex it must have been created by some kind of
higher power. The new standards say that some aspects of evolution are
contradicted by scientific evidence.
On Tuesday, three members of the majority faced GOP primary foes who
support evolution. A fourth Republican conservative is retiring, and
her seat was up for grabs.
The fifth seat was held by Janet Waugh, a Kansas City Democrat who
opposed the new standards. Facing a more conservative Democrat who
favored the anti-evolution language, she won with 65 percent of the
vote and will be unopposed in the fall.
With the unofficial count virtually complete, two of the three
conservative Republican incumbents - John Bacon and Ken Willard - held
onto their spots on the ballot.
However, the third conservative, Connie Morris, lost to Sally Cauble,
a moderate Republican who supports evolution. Meanwhile, the
Republican nod for the board's open seat went to another moderate,
Jana Shaver. That combination would swing the balance of power toward
those who oppose the board's current educational standards.
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Read it at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14137751/
Just as I predicted :D
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/browse_frm/thread/5552e1b9490939bb/34be631910d205b7?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#34be631910d205b7
Looks like the trend is continuing. Seems every time there is an
election in which evolution has a big part, the creationist supporters
loose. May be a wrong impression though.
Maybe someone else can show me how my math is wrong, but I don't
get a loss, I find a draw:
Former board 6-4 in favor of creationism.
In the election, the seats which were up were 3-2 in favor of creationism
(leaving 3-2 creationists already seated).
Of the 3 creationists, 2 were re-elected, one was defeated (2-1). Of the
two non-creationist seats, both went to non-creationists (0-2).
Net addition to the 3-2 who didn't stand is 2-3, making the board 5-5
creationists.
This is worse, much worse, than Dover, where every member of the
creationist bloc was voted out (albeit only by slight margin). Here,
only the most extremely over the top of the three was voted out.
--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
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| User: "Jeffrey Turner" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Evolution's foes lose ground in Kansas |
03 Aug 2006 10:09:04 AM |
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Robert Grumbine wrote:
In article <1154535527.368753.221390@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Harry K <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Darwin's defenders increase their strength on Board of Education
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
TOPEKA, Kan. - Conservative Republicans who approved classroom
standards that called evolution into question lost control of the
state Board of Education in Tuesday's primary election.
Five of the 10 seats on the board were up for election in the primary,
the latest skirmish in a seesawing battle between faith and science
that has opened Kansas up to international ridicule.
Last November, the Board of Education's 6-to-4 conservative Republican
majority rewrote testing standards for public schools to incorporate
language supported by advocates of intelligent design, which holds
that life is so complex it must have been created by some kind of
higher power. The new standards say that some aspects of evolution are
contradicted by scientific evidence.
On Tuesday, three members of the majority faced GOP primary foes who
support evolution. A fourth Republican conservative is retiring, and
her seat was up for grabs.
The fifth seat was held by Janet Waugh, a Kansas City Democrat who
opposed the new standards. Facing a more conservative Democrat who
favored the anti-evolution language, she won with 65 percent of the
vote and will be unopposed in the fall.
With the unofficial count virtually complete, two of the three
conservative Republican incumbents - John Bacon and Ken Willard - held
onto their spots on the ballot.
However, the third conservative, Connie Morris, lost to Sally Cauble,
a moderate Republican who supports evolution. Meanwhile, the
Republican nod for the board's open seat went to another moderate,
Jana Shaver. That combination would swing the balance of power toward
those who oppose the board's current educational standards.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14137751/
Just as I predicted :D
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/browse_frm/thread/5552e1b9490939bb/34be631910d205b7?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#34be631910d205b7
Looks like the trend is continuing. Seems every time there is an
election in which evolution has a big part, the creationist supporters
loose. May be a wrong impression though.
Maybe someone else can show me how my math is wrong, but I don't
get a loss, I find a draw:
Former board 6-4 in favor of creationism.
In the election, the seats which were up were 3-2 in favor of creationism
(leaving 3-2 creationists already seated).
Of the 3 creationists, 2 were re-elected, one was defeated (2-1). Of the
two non-creationist seats, both went to non-creationists (0-2).
Net addition to the 3-2 who didn't stand is 2-3, making the board 5-5
creationists.
This is worse, much worse, than Dover, where every member of the
creationist bloc was voted out (albeit only by slight margin). Here,
only the most extremely over the top of the three was voted out.
No. One creationist retired and was replaced by an evilutionist, one
was defeated for re-election. That changes things from 6-4 to 4-6.
It's not Dover, but it's not G_d's chosen board. :)
--Jeff
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Justice will not be served until those
who are unaffected are as outraged
as those who are. -Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Harry K" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Evolution's foes lose ground in Kansas |
03 Aug 2006 09:54:44 AM |
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Robert Grumbine wrote:
In article <1154535527.368753.221390@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Harry K <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Darwin's defenders increase their strength on Board of Education
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
TOPEKA, Kan. - Conservative Republicans who approved classroom
standards that called evolution into question lost control of the
state Board of Education in Tuesday's primary election.
Five of the 10 seats on the board were up for election in the primary,
the latest skirmish in a seesawing battle between faith and science
that has opened Kansas up to international ridicule.
Last November, the Board of Education's 6-to-4 conservative Republican
majority rewrote testing standards for public schools to incorporate
language supported by advocates of intelligent design, which holds
that life is so complex it must have been created by some kind of
higher power. The new standards say that some aspects of evolution are
contradicted by scientific evidence.
On Tuesday, three members of the majority faced GOP primary foes who
support evolution. A fourth Republican conservative is retiring, and
her seat was up for grabs.
The fifth seat was held by Janet Waugh, a Kansas City Democrat who
opposed the new standards. Facing a more conservative Democrat who
favored the anti-evolution language, she won with 65 percent of the
vote and will be unopposed in the fall.
With the unofficial count virtually complete, two of the three
conservative Republican incumbents - John Bacon and Ken Willard - held
onto their spots on the ballot.
However, the third conservative, Connie Morris, lost to Sally Cauble,
a moderate Republican who supports evolution. Meanwhile, the
Republican nod for the board's open seat went to another moderate,
Jana Shaver. That combination would swing the balance of power toward
those who oppose the board's current educational standards.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14137751/
Just as I predicted :D
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/browse_frm/thread/5552e1b9490939bb/34be631910d205b7?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#34be631910d205b7
Looks like the trend is continuing. Seems every time there is an
election in which evolution has a big part, the creationist supporters
loose. May be a wrong impression though.
Maybe someone else can show me how my math is wrong, but I don't
get a loss, I find a draw:
Former board 6-4 in favor of creationism.
In the election, the seats which were up were 3-2 in favor of creationism
(leaving 3-2 creationists already seated).
Of the 3 creationists, 2 were re-elected, one was defeated (2-1). Of the
two non-creationist seats, both went to non-creationists (0-2).
Net addition to the 3-2 who didn't stand is 2-3, making the board 5-5
creationists.
This is worse, much worse, than Dover, where every member of the
creationist bloc was voted out (albeit only by slight margin). Here,
only the most extremely over the top of the three was voted out.
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So you don't consider going from control of the board to 50/50 split a
loss?
Harry K
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
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| User: "Robert Grumbine" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Evolution's foes lose ground in Kansas |
03 Aug 2006 12:55:46 PM |
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In article <1154616884.404958.193130@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Harry K <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robert Grumbine wrote:
[snip]
Maybe someone else can show me how my math is wrong, but I don't
get a loss, I find a draw:
Former board 6-4 in favor of creationism.
In the election, the seats which were up were 3-2 in favor of creationism
(leaving 3-2 creationists already seated).
Of the 3 creationists, 2 were re-elected, one was defeated (2-1). Of the
two non-creationist seats, both went to non-creationists (0-2).
Net addition to the 3-2 who didn't stand is 2-3, making the board 5-5
creationists.
This is worse, much worse, than Dover, where every member of the
creationist bloc was voted out (albeit only by slight margin). Here,
only the most extremely over the top of the three was voted out.
So you don't consider going from control of the board to 50/50 split a
loss?
Not when the chairman of the board is a creationist and did not stand
for election.
But, per another note, 4 of the 6 creationists seats were up. 3 stood
for re-election, and 2 succeeded (per above), but the 4th didn't run
himself, and the seat was taken by a non-yec. So the figures do
indeed work out to 4-6, the majority shifting to the non-creationists.
Still, after the kangaroo court they held, that 2 of the creationists
could stand and win is a very bad sign.
Should also be noted that this is a primary and the other party
alleged to exist in Kansas doesn't seem to have nominated any creationists.
So it's at least mathematically possible that the board could switch
to 2-8.
--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
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| User: "Desertphile" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Evolution's foes lose ground in Kansas |
03 Aug 2006 10:05:42 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Darwin's defenders increase their strength on Board of Education
It ain't (er, isn't) merely a defense of "Darwin:" it is a defense of
all of the sciences
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
TOPEKA, Kan. - Conservative Republicans who approved classroom
standards that called evolution into question lost control of the
state Board of Education in Tuesday's primary election.
I contend they are not "conservatives." At best one may call them
pseudo-conservatives.
Five of the 10 seats on the board were up for election in the primary,
the latest skirmish in a seesawing battle between faith and science
that has opened Kansas up to international ridicule.
The fight was not against "faith" and science: it was against occult
indoctrination in the public schools vs. religious rights --- the
latter won.
Last November, the Board of Education's 6-to-4 conservative Republican
There ain't (er, isn't) nothing (er, anything) "conservative" about
Republicans these days. Democrats are the conservative party in the
USA.
majority rewrote testing standards for public schools to incorporate
language supported by advocates of intelligent design, which holds
that life is so complex it must have been created by some kind of
higher power. The new standards say that some aspects of evolution are
contradicted by scientific evidence.
That makes zero sense. It is impossible for scientific evidence to be
contrary to evolution.
On Tuesday, three members of the majority faced GOP primary foes who
support evolution. A fourth Republican conservative is retiring, and
her seat was up for grabs.
Not soon enough.
The fifth seat was held by Janet Waugh, a Kansas City Democrat who
opposed the new standards. Facing a more conservative Democrat who
favored the anti-evolution language, she won with 65 percent of the
vote and will be unopposed in the fall.
With the unofficial count virtually complete, two of the three
conservative Republican incumbents - John Bacon and Ken Willard - held
onto their spots on the ballot.
Proof that thousands of Americans are morons.
However, the third conservative, Connie Morris, lost to Sally Cauble,
a moderate Republican who supports evolution.
"Moderate Republican" = Democrat.
Meanwhile, the
Republican nod for the board's open seat went to another moderate,
Jana Shaver. That combination would swing the balance of power toward
those who oppose the board's current educational standards.
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Read it at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14137751/
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| User: "Deadrat" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Evolution's foes lose ground in Kansas |
03 Aug 2006 02:46:57 PM |
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On 03 Aug 2006, you wrote in talk.origins:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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<snip>
majority rewrote testing standards for public schools to incorporate
language supported by advocates of intelligent design, which holds
that life is so complex it must have been created by some kind of
higher power. The new standards say that some aspects of evolution
are contradicted by scientific evidence.
That makes zero sense. It is impossible for scientific evidence to be
contrary to evolution.
It's not impossible; it just hasn't obtained.
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However, the third conservative, Connie Morris, lost to Sally Cauble,
a moderate Republican who supports evolution.
"Moderate Republican" = Democrat.
For those of you keeping score, in Kansas
"Conservative Republican" = lunatic
"Republican" = reactionary
"Moderate Republican" = conservative Democrat
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Read it at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14137751/
Deadrat
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