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"Jason Spaceman" |
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02 Jan 2004 02:17:36 AM |
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In the News: Flocks growing at religious colleges |
From the article:
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At Patrick Henry College, creationism was taught as a stronger
scientific argument than evolution. The college was denied
accreditation by the American Academy for Liberal Education last year,
saying its faith statement restricted "liberty of thought and freedom
of speech." The college amended its policy and subsequently was
awarded pre-accreditation status, said Wallin, the organization's
president.
"It was a problem because they taught that not as a religious belief
but a scientific truth," Wallin said. "That was so stifling, it left
little room for discussion."
Even at highly regarded Wheaton College in Illinois, trustees opted
three years ago to ignore the objections of students and colleagues of
a professor of anthropology and not reappoint him to his position.
They said he gave little credence to creationism during his lectures
on human origins.
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Read it at
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/news_f34f5f951530c0b10005.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Jeff" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Flocks growing at religious colleges |
02 Jan 2004 12:20:05 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message
news:b9aavv4dsiuo5i074r5u61artikct63fi8@4ax.com...
From the article:
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At Patrick Henry College, creationism was taught as a stronger
scientific argument than evolution. The college was denied
accreditation by the American Academy for Liberal Education last year,
saying its faith statement restricted "liberty of thought and freedom
of speech." The college amended its policy and subsequently was
awarded pre-accreditation status, said Wallin, the organization's
president.
"It was a problem because they taught that not as a religious belief
but a scientific truth," Wallin said. "That was so stifling, it left
little room for discussion."
Even at highly regarded Wheaton College in Illinois, trustees opted
three years ago to ignore the objections of students and colleagues of
a professor of anthropology and not reappoint him to his position.
They said he gave little credence to creationism during his lectures
on human origins.
-----------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/news_f34f5f951530c0b10005.html
J. Spaceman
Jason, to make your purpose clear, have you considered adding something to
your sig line which says you offer clippings from the news for discussion on
T.O. Otherwise, people might think you're just a hit-and-run poster,
especially if you post an excerpt with creationist clap-trap.
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| User: "August Pamplona" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Flocks growing at religious colleges |
02 Jan 2004 05:11:32 PM |
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"Jeff" <1234134666q@waasdfasd333.com> wrote in message
news:vvbdmf8qj5m7c2@corp.supernews.com...
"Jason Spaceman" <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message
news:b9aavv4dsiuo5i074r5u61artikct63fi8@4ax.com...
From the article:
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At Patrick Henry College, creationism was taught as a stronger
scientific argument than evolution. The college was denied
accreditation by the American Academy for Liberal Education last
year,
saying its faith statement restricted "liberty of thought and
freedom
of speech." The college amended its policy and subsequently was
awarded pre-accreditation status, said Wallin, the organization's
president.
"It was a problem because they taught that not as a religious belief
but a scientific truth," Wallin said. "That was so stifling, it left
little room for discussion."
Even at highly regarded Wheaton College in Illinois, trustees opted
three years ago to ignore the objections of students and colleagues
of
a professor of anthropology and not reappoint him to his position.
They said he gave little credence to creationism during his lectures
on human origins.
-----------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/news_f34f5f951530c0b10005.html
J. Spaceman
Jason, to make your purpose clear, have you considered adding
something to
your sig line which says you offer clippings from the news for
discussion on
T.O. Otherwise, people might think you're just a hit-and-run poster,
especially if you post an excerpt with creationist clap-trap.
I would have thought that the format he used in that post made it
pretty clear:
From the article:
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[article excerpt]
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Read it at
http://www.relevant_url.com
Maybe I'm just used to it.
August Pamplona
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| User: "Jeff" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Flocks growing at religious colleges |
02 Jan 2004 08:23:01 PM |
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Jason, to make your purpose clear, have you considered adding
something to
your sig line which says you offer clippings from the news for
discussion on
T.O. Otherwise, people might think you're just a hit-and-run poster,
especially if you post an excerpt with creationist clap-trap.
I would have thought that the format he used in that post made it
pretty clear:
From the article:
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[article excerpt]
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Read it at
http://www.relevant_url.com
Maybe I'm just used to it.
August Pamplona
It was clear to me, but I've seen his postings before. Someone in a post
below thought Jason was a hit-and-run (creationist?) poster, and when I
first saw Jason post on here, I thought he might be a creationist.
It's not a big deal; just a suggestion based on what I first thought and
others have obviously thought about how Jason posts.
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| User: "Viv" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Flocks growing at religious colleges |
03 Jan 2004 06:03:45 PM |
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 18:20:05 +0000 (UTC), "Jeff"
<1234134666q@waasdfasd333.com> wrote:
[snip one of Jason Spaceman's news clippings]
Jason, to make your purpose clear, have you considered adding something to
your sig line which says you offer clippings from the news for discussion on
T.O. Otherwise, people might think you're just a hit-and-run poster,
especially if you post an excerpt with creationist clap-trap.
I look on it as a newbie test in some ways. Anyone who has been lurking for
a while soon realises that Jason is offering up newsbites as matters of
general interest. If someone jumps to conclusions and flames him on
premature assumptions and then gets embarrassed when they realise their
error as more experienced posters point it out with wit, ridicule and even
the occasional piece of genuine helpfulness, they may become more prone to a
bit of thought and analysis of other people's posts and generally become a
more interesting contributor.
Vivienne "call me Pollyanna" Smythe
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"I feel as if I'm arguing about whether the angels dancing on
the head of the pin are doing the waltz or the watusi" - Bruce Tindall
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Fight gullibility now: see www.urbanlegends.com
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| User: "Frank J" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Flocks growing at religious colleges |
03 Jan 2004 05:16:01 PM |
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Jason Spaceman <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message news:<b9aavv4dsiuo5i074r5u61artikct63fi8@4ax.com>...
From the article:
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At Patrick Henry College, creationism was taught as a stronger
scientific argument than evolution.
Which of the mutually-contradictory creationisms? And was it taught as
a stronger scientific argument than the other creationisms too?
The college was denied
accreditation by the American Academy for Liberal Education last year,
saying its faith statement restricted "liberty of thought and freedom
of speech."
With or without that, it certainly should lose its accreditation for
teaching science if it argues that a pseudoscientific
misrepresentation of evolution is "stronger scientific argument" than
evolution itself.
The college amended its policy and subsequently was
awarded pre-accreditation status, said Wallin, the organization's
president.
"It was a problem because they taught that not as a religious belief
but a scientific truth," Wallin said. "That was so stifling, it left
little room for discussion."
Even at highly regarded Wheaton College in Illinois, trustees opted
three years ago to ignore the objections of students and colleagues of
a professor of anthropology and not reappoint him to his position.
They said he gave little credence to creationism during his lectures
on human origins.
-----------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/news_f34f5f951530c0b10005.html
Haven't these people heard of the "intelligent design" strategy, which
avoids all religious references (but still uses all the
pseudoscientific tricks of the creationisms)? I mean if you're gonna
misrepresent science, ya gotta keep up with the times.
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| User: "stew dean" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Flocks growing at religious colleges |
02 Jan 2004 08:43:38 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message news:<b9aavv4dsiuo5i074r5u61artikct63fi8@4ax.com>...
From the article:
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At Patrick Henry College, creationism was taught as a stronger
scientific argument than evolution. The college was denied
accreditation by the American Academy for Liberal Education last year,
saying its faith statement restricted "liberty of thought and freedom
of speech." The college amended its policy and subsequently was
awarded pre-accreditation status, said Wallin, the organization's
president.
"It was a problem because they taught that not as a religious belief
but a scientific truth," Wallin said. "That was so stifling, it left
little room for discussion."
Even at highly regarded Wheaton College in Illinois, trustees opted
three years ago to ignore the objections of students and colleagues of
a professor of anthropology and not reappoint him to his position.
They said he gave little credence to creationism during his lectures
on human origins.
-----------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/news_f34f5f951530c0b10005.html
Meanwhile the education standard of countries such as India continue
to rise.
If there is anything that will distroy the US it is ongoing
distruction of solid education. The article also included a section on
home schooling - something that I find potentialy harmful to an
individual. This removes the potential of alternative views and
isoltates the child from different cultures. Both are potentialy very
dangerous to a functioning socierty. School is not just about learning
you A-Z and maths as many of us know.
Stew Dean
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| User: "Jeff" |
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02 Jan 2004 11:02:40 AM |
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Meanwhile the education standard of countries such as India continue
to rise.
If there is anything that will distroy the US it is ongoing
distruction of solid education. The article also included a section on
home schooling - something that I find potentialy harmful to an
individual. This removes the potential of alternative views and
isoltates the child from different cultures. Both are potentialy very
dangerous to a functioning socierty. School is not just about learning
you A-Z and maths as many of us know.
As far as homeschooling goes, I can tell you as a K-12 homeschooled student
that we aren't all gun-totin' Bible thumpers from rural Idaho. You'll find a
great deal of diversity, from atheists who don't like their kids being
indoctrinated with religious bunk to New Agers to the stereotypical Bible
thumpers. What's more, my homeschooling curriculum and my parents considered
evolution to be a false ideology of Satan, but I had the freedom to study
evolution and religion on my own, and all the way through my adolescence, I
became increasingly agnostic and doubtful about creationism. I entered
college, not as a fire-breathing creationist, but as a thoughtful skeptic of
both ideas. By my second year in college, I had completely accepted
evolution based on the weight of scientific evidence.
To sum up, homeschooling can produce well-educated and well-adjusted young
people with a balanced world view.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Flocks growing at religious colleges |
02 Jan 2004 06:08:54 PM |
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:02:40 +0000 (UTC), "Jeff"
<1234134666q@waasdfasd333.com> posted to alt.atheism:
As far as homeschooling goes, I can tell you as a K-12 homeschooled student
that we aren't all gun-totin' Bible thumpers from rural Idaho. You'll find a
great deal of diversity, from atheists who don't like their kids being
indoctrinated with religious bunk to New Agers to the stereotypical Bible
thumpers. What's more, my homeschooling curriculum and my parents considered
evolution to be a false ideology of Satan, but I had the freedom to study
evolution and religion on my own, and all the way through my adolescence, I
became increasingly agnostic and doubtful about creationism. I entered
college, not as a fire-breathing creationist, but as a thoughtful skeptic of
both ideas. By my second year in college, I had completely accepted
evolution based on the weight of scientific evidence.
To sum up, homeschooling can produce well-educated and well-adjusted young
people with a balanced world view.
You're the exception to the rule. Most home-schooled kids retain the
beliefs of their parents.
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"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "August Pamplona" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Flocks growing at religious colleges |
02 Jan 2004 06:17:30 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:omtbvvocsf8gtiooaqdpkq25obnf06sdku@Pern.rk...
On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:02:40 +0000 (UTC), "Jeff"
<1234134666q@waasdfasd333.com> posted to alt.atheism:
As far as homeschooling goes, I can tell you as a K-12 homeschooled
student
that we aren't all gun-totin' Bible thumpers from rural Idaho. You'll
find a
great deal of diversity, from atheists who don't like their kids
being
indoctrinated with religious bunk to New Agers to the stereotypical
Bible
thumpers. What's more, my homeschooling curriculum and my parents
considered
evolution to be a false ideology of Satan, but I had the freedom to
study
evolution and religion on my own, and all the way through my
adolescence, I
became increasingly agnostic and doubtful about creationism. I
entered
college, not as a fire-breathing creationist, but as a thoughtful
skeptic of
both ideas. By my second year in college, I had completely accepted
evolution based on the weight of scientific evidence.
To sum up, homeschooling can produce well-educated and well-adjusted
young
people with a balanced world view.
You're the exception to the rule. Most home-schooled kids retain the
beliefs of their parents.
Are non-home-schooled kids any different in this respect? Has this
been studied?
Just wondering,
August Pamplona
--
The waterfall in Java is not wet.
- omegazero2003 on m.f.w.
a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut
To email replace 'necatoramericanusancylostomaduodenale' with
'cosmicaug'
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| User: "\Rev Dr\ Lenny Flank" |
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02 Jan 2004 08:28:43 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:02:40 +0000 (UTC), "Jeff"
<1234134666q@waasdfasd333.com> posted to alt.atheism:
As far as homeschooling goes, I can tell you as a K-12 homeschooled student
that we aren't all gun-totin' Bible thumpers from rural Idaho. You'll find a
great deal of diversity, from atheists who don't like their kids being
indoctrinated with religious bunk to New Agers to the stereotypical Bible
thumpers. What's more, my homeschooling curriculum and my parents considered
evolution to be a false ideology of Satan, but I had the freedom to study
evolution and religion on my own, and all the way through my adolescence, I
became increasingly agnostic and doubtful about creationism. I entered
college, not as a fire-breathing creationist, but as a thoughtful skeptic of
both ideas. By my second year in college, I had completely accepted
evolution based on the weight of scientific evidence.
To sum up, homeschooling can produce well-educated and well-adjusted young
people with a balanced world view.
You're the exception to the rule. Most home-schooled kids retain the
beliefs of their parents.
Which is, I suspect, the intention all along.
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Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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02 Jan 2004 10:39:34 PM |
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On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 02:28:43 +0000 (UTC), "\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank"
<lflank_nospam@ij.net> posted to alt.atheism:
You're the exception to the rule. Most home-schooled kids retain the
beliefs of their parents.
Which is, I suspect, the intention all along.
You notice the parallel to the private schools in the south in the
60s?
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| User: "\Rev Dr\ Lenny Flank" |
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03 Jan 2004 09:16:07 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 02:28:43 +0000 (UTC), "\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank"
<lflank_nospam@ij.net> posted to alt.atheism:
You're the exception to the rule. Most home-schooled kids retain the
beliefs of their parents.
Which is, I suspect, the intention all along.
You notice the parallel to the private schools in the south in the
60s?
Notice that it tends to be many of the same sort of people?
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Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
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| User: "howard hershey" |
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03 Jan 2004 11:34:03 AM |
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The title made me smile. Ever wonder why the metaphor used for the
church laity is that of a flock of sheep? As, of course, is the
metaphor for the suckers taken in by scam artists?
Mutton anyone?
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| User: "TCS" |
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02 Jan 2004 09:05:46 AM |
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:43:38 +0000 (UTC), stew dean <stewart@webslave.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
Meanwhile the education standard of countries such as India continue
to rise.
If there is anything that will distroy the US it is ongoing
distruction of solid education. The article also included a section on
home schooling - something that I find potentialy harmful to an
individual. This removes the potential of alternative views and
isoltates the child from different cultures. Both are potentialy very
dangerous to a functioning socierty. School is not just about learning
you A-Z and maths as many of us know.
sheesh. At least use a spell checker.
distroy...distruction...potentialy...isoltates...socierty...
I know the spelling flame is about the lowest form of nitpicking, but if
you're going to criticize education you should try not to come across as an
F student.
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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02 Jan 2004 10:24:10 AM |
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 08:17:36 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> ejaculated:
From the article:
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At Patrick Henry College, creationism was taught as a stronger
scientific argument than evolution. The college was denied
accreditation by the American Academy for Liberal Education last year,
saying its faith statement restricted "liberty of thought and freedom
of speech." The college amended its policy and subsequently was
awarded pre-accreditation status, said Wallin, the organization's
president.
"It was a problem because they taught that not as a religious belief
but a scientific truth," Wallin said. "That was so stifling, it left
little room for discussion."
Even at highly regarded Wheaton College in Illinois, trustees opted
three years ago to ignore the objections of students and colleagues of
a professor of anthropology and not reappoint him to his position.
They said he gave little credence to creationism during his lectures
on human origins.
-----------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/news_f34f5f951530c0b10005.html
Hey, I live about 11 miles from Patrick Henry "College". I didn't
realize the stink over it made a blip on the national media. Not
surprisingly, the local papers' editorial sections were ablaze with
Christians claiming persecution.
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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"
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