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In the News: Georgia Takes on 'Evolution' |
From the article:
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By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 — A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
Although education officials said the final version would not be
binding on teachers, its contents will ultimately help shape
achievement exams. And in a state where religion-based concepts of
creation are widely held, many teachers said a curriculum without
mentioning "evolution" would make it harder to broach the subject in
the classroom.
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Read the rest at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/education/30GEOR.html?ex=1076043600&en=442347ae564b42d7&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
J. Spaceman
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30 Jan 2004 05:15:06 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message
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From the article:
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By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 - A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
This is pathetic! How long will it be before the U.S. becomes a
"third world country" when it comes to science?
EROS.
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"Blind faith, no matter how passionately expressed, will not suffice.
Science for its part will test relentlessly every assumption about the
human condition" Edward O. Wilson, Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge,
(First edition, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1998), p. 6.
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30 Jan 2004 08:03:11 PM |
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From the article:
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By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 - A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
This is pathetic! How long will it be before the U.S. becomes a
"third world country" when it comes to science?
10, maybe 15 years ago...
Rodjk #613
EROS.
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"Blind faith, no matter how passionately expressed, will not suffice.
Science for its part will test relentlessly every assumption about the
human condition" Edward O. Wilson, Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge,
(First edition, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1998), p. 6.
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30 Jan 2004 08:49:55 PM |
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In article <S0rSb.146$%W.6217@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>,
"Eros" <Eros_Talk_Origins@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message
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From the article:
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By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 - A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
This is pathetic! How long will it be before the U.S. becomes a
"third world country" when it comes to science?
Well, actually, if you've ever done research in biomedical sciences
departments in a major university, you know that we already are a Third
World country in the sciences. That's where most of the graduate
students and postdocs come from. Fortunately, most of them seem to stay
in the U.S. after they finish their education.
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| User: "AC" |
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30 Jan 2004 12:14:08 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:15:06 +0000 (UTC),
Eros <Eros_Talk_Origins@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message
news:snck10hmv1i2gjsi8ddeluhk1gte734p3c@4ax.com...
From the article:
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By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 - A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
This is pathetic! How long will it be before the U.S. becomes a
"third world country" when it comes to science?
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science, then it
will simply become a third world country. Its competitors; the EU, China,
India and Japan will surpass it (I have a pretty good hunch that Iran will
be in there as well once it gives the boot to the religious fanatics running
the country right now). Like Rome before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of the
American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution, and then you
can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're kiddies grow up
believing that magic makes viruses, and all your top scientists finally say
"screw it" and move to Europe, you will indeed become a third world country.
--
Aaron Clausen
tao_of_cow/\alberni.net (replace /\ with @)
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| User: "normdoering" |
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31 Jan 2004 03:08:55 AM |
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AC <mightymartianca@yahoo.ca> wrote
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science, then it
will simply become a third world country. Its competitors; the EU, China,
India and Japan will surpass it (I have a pretty good hunch that Iran will
be in there as well once it gives the boot to the religious fanatics running
the country right now). Like Rome before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of the
American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution, and then you
can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're kiddies grow up
believing that magic makes viruses, and all your top scientists finally say
"screw it" and move to Europe, you will indeed become a third world country.
Georgia is a third world state. Only California, Washington and New
York keep the country from being ignorant technologically and
scientifically.
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31 Jan 2004 10:54:08 AM |
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"normdoering" <normdoer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e6433dc7.0401310107.361c8245@posting.google.com...
AC <mightymartianca@yahoo.ca> wrote
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science, then
it
will simply become a third world country. Its competitors; the EU,
China,
India and Japan will surpass it (I have a pretty good hunch that Iran
will
be in there as well once it gives the boot to the religious fanatics
running
the country right now). Like Rome before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of the
American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution, and then
you
can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're kiddies grow up
believing that magic makes viruses, and all your top scientists finally
say
"screw it" and move to Europe, you will indeed become a third world
country.
Georgia is a third world state. Only California, Washington and New
York keep the country from being ignorant technologically and
scientifically.
*cough* TEXAS Instruments *cough*
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01 Feb 2004 10:46:06 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:54:08 -0500, Dale wrote
(in message <bvgmjb$4md@library2.airnews.net>):
"normdoering" <normdoer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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AC <mightymartianca@yahoo.ca> wrote
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science, then
it
will simply become a third world country. Its competitors; the EU,
China,
India and Japan will surpass it (I have a pretty good hunch that Iran
will
be in there as well once it gives the boot to the religious fanatics
running
the country right now). Like Rome before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of the
American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution, and then
you
can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're kiddies grow up
believing that magic makes viruses, and all your top scientists finally
say
"screw it" and move to Europe, you will indeed become a third world
country.
Georgia is a third world state. Only California, Washington and New
York keep the country from being ignorant technologically and
scientifically.
*cough* TEXAS Instruments *cough*
Have you looked at their website lately? <http://www.texasinstruments.com/>
They have prominent links to Taiwan, <http://www.ti.com.tw/> China,
<http://www.ti.com.cn/> Korea, <http://www.tikorea.co.kr/> and Japan
<http://www.tij.co.jp/> there. From the looks of things most of the content
of their English-language site is replicated on those four other sites. It
seems that TI is busy moving to the Pacific Rim.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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13 Feb 2004 08:07:01 PM |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:08:55 +0000 (UTC),
(normdoering), Message ID:
<e6433dc7.0401310107.361c8245@posting.google.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
AC <mightymartianca@yahoo.ca> wrote
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science, then it
will simply become a third world country. Its competitors; the EU, China,
India and Japan will surpass it (I have a pretty good hunch that Iran will
be in there as well once it gives the boot to the religious fanatics running
the country right now). Like Rome before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of the
American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution, and then you
can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're kiddies grow up
believing that magic makes viruses, and all your top scientists finally say
"screw it" and move to Europe, you will indeed become a third world country.
Georgia is a third world state.
So's Kansas, Talibama, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee and
Kentucky.
Only California, Washington and New
York keep the country from being ignorant technologically and
scientifically.
Not enough mass on the scale to bring any sort of balance.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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14 Feb 2004 05:36:46 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:np0r20tmuhhfvrb4aes58vf1n9ehhit0o0@4ax.com:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:08:55 +0000 (UTC),
(normdoering), Message ID:
<e6433dc7.0401310107.361c8245@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
AC <mightymartianca@yahoo.ca> wrote
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science,
then it will simply become a third world country. Its competitors;
the EU, China, India and Japan will surpass it (I have a pretty good
hunch that Iran will be in there as well once it gives the boot to
the religious fanatics running the country right now). Like Rome
before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of
the American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution,
and then you can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're
kiddies grow up believing that magic makes viruses, and all your top
scientists finally say "screw it" and move to Europe, you will
indeed become a third world country.
Georgia is a third world state.
So's Kansas, Talibama, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee and
Kentucky.
Only California, Washington and New
York keep the country from being ignorant technologically and
scientifically.
Not enough mass on the scale to bring any sort of balance.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Catch up, rumormonger.
The stories in the paper today and yesterday (2/13/04) showed that the
state of Georgia have endorsed the guidelines that even the slowest of
mail service showed were about to be amended to restore Evolution
officially to the curriculum.
Of course, that didn't really make a big splash here.
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14 Feb 2004 06:29:39 PM |
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In talk.origins, wvantwiller <wvantwiller@knickerbocker.com> wrote in
<402eb9da$1_2@news1.knology.net>:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:np0r20tmuhhfvrb4aes58vf1n9ehhit0o0@4ax.com:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:08:55 +0000 (UTC),
(normdoering), Message ID:
<e6433dc7.0401310107.361c8245@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
AC <mightymartianca@yahoo.ca> wrote
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science,
then it will simply become a third world country. Its competitors;
the EU, China, India and Japan will surpass it (I have a pretty good
hunch that Iran will be in there as well once it gives the boot to
the religious fanatics running the country right now). Like Rome
before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of
the American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution,
and then you can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're
kiddies grow up believing that magic makes viruses, and all your top
scientists finally say "screw it" and move to Europe, you will
indeed become a third world country.
Georgia is a third world state.
So's Kansas, Talibama, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee and
Kentucky.
Only California, Washington and New
York keep the country from being ignorant technologically and
scientifically.
Not enough mass on the scale to bring any sort of balance.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Catch up, rumormonger.
The stories in the paper today and yesterday (2/13/04) showed that the
state of Georgia have endorsed the guidelines that even the slowest of
mail service showed were about to be amended to restore Evolution
officially to the curriculum.
Of course, that didn't really make a big splash here.
The last one I saw was that she was allowing the word back in, but still
gutting evolution education.
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14 Feb 2004 09:00:27 PM |
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David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:afft205k81cvqspla73cnr73ad9g0qgl16@4ax.com:
In talk.origins, wvantwiller <wvantwiller@knickerbocker.com> wrote in
<402eb9da$1_2@news1.knology.net>:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:np0r20tmuhhfvrb4aes58vf1n9ehhit0o0@4ax.com:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:08:55 +0000 (UTC),
(normdoering), Message ID:
<e6433dc7.0401310107.361c8245@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
AC <mightymartianca@yahoo.ca> wrote
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science,
then it will simply become a third world country. Its
competitors; the EU, China, India and Japan will surpass it (I
have a pretty good hunch that Iran will be in there as well once
it gives the boot to the religious fanatics running the country
right now). Like Rome before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of
the American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution,
and then you can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're
kiddies grow up believing that magic makes viruses, and all your
top scientists finally say "screw it" and move to Europe, you will
indeed become a third world country.
Georgia is a third world state.
So's Kansas, Talibama, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee
and Kentucky.
Only California, Washington and New
York keep the country from being ignorant technologically and
scientifically.
Not enough mass on the scale to bring any sort of balance.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Catch up, rumormonger.
The stories in the paper today and yesterday (2/13/04) showed that the
state of Georgia have endorsed the guidelines that even the slowest of
mail service showed were about to be amended to restore Evolution
officially to the curriculum.
Of course, that didn't really make a big splash here.
The last one I saw was that she was allowing the word back in, but
still gutting evolution education.
Well, since our legislature is working on reducing educational
requirements for teachers to help fill a shortage of qualified teachers
(instead of raising pay & benefits), the superintendent is trying to
help by gutting any real requirement for science education.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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16 Feb 2004 11:27:40 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:36:46 +0000 (UTC), wvantwiller
<wvantwiller@knickerbocker.com>, Message ID:
<402eb9da$1_2@news1.knology.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:np0r20tmuhhfvrb4aes58vf1n9ehhit0o0@4ax.com:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:08:55 +0000 (UTC),
(normdoering), Message ID:
<e6433dc7.0401310107.361c8245@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
AC <mightymartianca@yahoo.ca> wrote
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science,
then it will simply become a third world country. Its competitors;
the EU, China, India and Japan will surpass it (I have a pretty good
hunch that Iran will be in there as well once it gives the boot to
the religious fanatics running the country right now). Like Rome
before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of
the American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution,
and then you can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're
kiddies grow up believing that magic makes viruses, and all your top
scientists finally say "screw it" and move to Europe, you will
indeed become a third world country.
Georgia is a third world state.
So's Kansas, Talibama, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee and
Kentucky.
Only California, Washington and New
York keep the country from being ignorant technologically and
scientifically.
Not enough mass on the scale to bring any sort of balance.
Catch up, rumormonger.
The stories in the paper today and yesterday (2/13/04) showed that the
state of Georgia have endorsed the guidelines that even the slowest of
mail service showed were about to be amended to restore Evolution
officially to the curriculum.
I'll take your word for it. The problem is Creationists weren't laughed
out of the legislature, school system when they first opened their yaps.
Of course, that didn't really make a big splash here.
It takes a bit of time since this is not a real time medium.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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31 Jan 2004 07:56:43 AM |
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normdoering wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@yahoo.ca> wrote
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science, then it
will simply become a third world country. Its competitors; the EU, China,
India and Japan will surpass it (I have a pretty good hunch that Iran will
be in there as well once it gives the boot to the religious fanatics running
the country right now). Like Rome before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of the
American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution, and then you
can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're kiddies grow up
believing that magic makes viruses, and all your top scientists finally say
"screw it" and move to Europe, you will indeed become a third world country.
Georgia is a third world state. Only California, Washington and New
York keep the country from being ignorant technologically and
scientifically.
Ok, this gratuitous Georgia bashing is just getting a little over the
top. I grew up in Georgia and went to public school there for 12 years.
I received a high quality education that included specific discussion of
evolution and fossils. The fact is is that there are plenty of
creationists everywhere in this country.
BTW for those who don't know Georgia Tech is one of the finest
engineering schools in the country and happens to be state run and due
to the amazing hope scholarship program available at basically no charge
to state residents.
Ken
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31 Jan 2004 08:46:33 AM |
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"Ken Shaw" <none.of@your.biz> wrote in message
news:quOSb.148144$6y6.2889616@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
normdoering wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@yahoo.ca> wrote
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science, then
it
will simply become a third world country. Its competitors; the EU,
China,
India and Japan will surpass it (I have a pretty good hunch that Iran
will
be in there as well once it gives the boot to the religious fanatics
running
the country right now). Like Rome before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of the
American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution, and then
you
can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're kiddies grow up
believing that magic makes viruses, and all your top scientists finally
say
"screw it" and move to Europe, you will indeed become a third world
country.
Georgia is a third world state. Only California, Washington and New
York keep the country from being ignorant technologically and
scientifically.
Ok, this gratuitous Georgia bashing is just getting a little over the
top. I grew up in Georgia and went to public school there for 12 years.
I received a high quality education that included specific discussion of
evolution and fossils. The fact is is that there are plenty of
creationists everywhere in this country.
BTW for those who don't know Georgia Tech is one of the finest
engineering schools in the country and happens to be state run and due
to the amazing hope scholarship program available at basically no charge
to state residents.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/09/26/creationism.evolution/
"[..]
FACT BOX
New policy
"It is the educational philosophy of the Cobb County School District to
provide a broad based curriculum; therefore, the Cobb County School District
believes that discussion of disputed views of academic subjects is a
necessary element of providing a balanced education, including the study of
the origin of the species. This subject remains an area of intense interest,
research and discussion among scholars. As a result, the study of this
subject shall be handled in accordance with this policy and with objectivity
and good judgment on the part of teachers, taking into account the age and
maturity level of their students.[..]"
This is the same policy as the public schools in NY when I was a kid; so,
as part of my education, I learned how truly irrational religious people
actually are...:) Still , I thought the teacher was lying about the
existance of people who actually believe in creationism.
Ken
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normdoering wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@yahoo.ca> wrote
If the US becomes a third world country when it comes to science, then it
will simply become a third world country. Its competitors; the EU, China,
India and Japan will surpass it (I have a pretty good hunch that Iran will
be in there as well once it gives the boot to the religious fanatics running
the country right now). Like Rome before it, the US will simply decay.
So bring it on Georgia. You can be the first step in the fall of the
American Empire. First start by expunging the word evolution, and then you
can simply abolish even the notion. And while you're kiddies grow up
believing that magic makes viruses, and all your top scientists finally say
"screw it" and move to Europe, you will indeed become a third world country.
Georgia is a third world state. Only California, Washington and New
York keep the country from being ignorant technologically and
scientifically.
You may regret that if you ever need a pacemaker. Minnesota and
Wisconsin play leading roles in the development of medical technology.
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I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not
understanding the world.
Richard Dawkins
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30 Jan 2004 04:16:32 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:15:06 +0000 (UTC), "Eros"
<Eros_Talk_Origins@hotmail.com> wrote:
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
This is pathetic! How long will it be before the U.S. becomes a
"third world country" when it comes to science?
Georgia isn't everwhere, all the other states will still need people
to serve them burgers and fries while they go to college. :)
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"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:15:06 +0000 (UTC), "Eros"
<Eros_Talk_Origins@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<S0rSb.146$%W.6217@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Jason Spaceman" <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message
news:snck10hmv1i2gjsi8ddeluhk1gte734p3c@4ax.com...
From the article:
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By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 - A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
This is pathetic! How long will it be before the U.S. becomes a
"third world country" when it comes to science?
The U.S. is well on its way. The past crop which is in teacher training
is woefully ignorant and the current crop is even worse.
With terminal ignorance in the state and federal legislatures the
country is doomed.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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30 Jan 2004 08:21:07 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message
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From the article:
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By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 — A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
Although education officials said the final version would not be
binding on teachers, its contents will ultimately help shape
achievement exams. And in a state where religion-based concepts of
creation are widely held, many teachers said a curriculum without
mentioning "evolution" would make it harder to broach the subject in
the classroom.
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Read the rest at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/education/30GEOR.html?ex=1076043600&en=442347ae564b42d7&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
I wonder if, when a Georgia teacher decides to teach evolution despite the
guidelines, and a student brings a lawsuit or prosecution, we shall see a
21st century version of the Scopes Trial? Could be interesting....
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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30 Jan 2004 03:33:48 PM |
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"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bvdp0q$1ou$1@hercules.btinternet.com>...
"Jason Spaceman" <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message
news:snck10hmv1i2gjsi8ddeluhk1gte734p3c@4ax.com...
From the article:
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By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 ? A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
Although education officials said the final version would not be
binding on teachers, its contents will ultimately help shape
achievement exams. And in a state where religion-based concepts of
creation are widely held, many teachers said a curriculum without
mentioning "evolution" would make it harder to broach the subject in
the classroom.
---------------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/education/30GEOR.html?ex=1076043600&en=442347ae564b42d7&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
I wonder if, when a Georgia teacher decides to teach evolution despite the
guidelines, and a student brings a lawsuit or prosecution, we shall see a
21st century version of the Scopes Trial? Could be interesting....
There would be no trial because there would be no law against teaching
real science. There is only a restriction on creationism because the
courts ruled that it is religion. Just dropping something from what
is taught worked for decades, but the creationists suffered set backs
after Sputnik and subsequent improvements in science education.
Georgia just wants to go back to the time when evolution just wasn't
taught. They didn't need a law just neglect. The ostrich syndrome
worked before it can work again. I think that some states do have
laws requiring decent education for their students, but I think that
this Georgia board is supposed to insure that. It looks like if you
get the right creeps on the board you can justify anything.
Ron Okimoto
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30 Jan 2004 08:09:20 PM |
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(Ron Okimoto) wrote in message news:<63afe69c.0401301333.2d0e4053@posting.google.com>...
"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bvdp0q$1ou$1@hercules.btinternet.com>...
"Jason Spaceman" <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message
news:snck10hmv1i2gjsi8ddeluhk1gte734p3c@4ax.com...
From the article:
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By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 ? A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
Although education officials said the final version would not be
binding on teachers, its contents will ultimately help shape
achievement exams. And in a state where religion-based concepts of
creation are widely held, many teachers said a curriculum without
mentioning "evolution" would make it harder to broach the subject in
the classroom.
---------------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/education/30GEOR.html?ex=1076043600&en=442347ae564b42d7&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
I wonder if, when a Georgia teacher decides to teach evolution despite the
guidelines, and a student brings a lawsuit or prosecution, we shall see a
21st century version of the Scopes Trial? Could be interesting....
There would be no trial because there would be no law against teaching
real science. There is only a restriction on creationism because the
courts ruled that it is religion. Just dropping something from what
is taught worked for decades, but the creationists suffered set backs
after Sputnik and subsequent improvements in science education.
Georgia just wants to go back to the time when evolution just wasn't
taught. They didn't need a law just neglect. The ostrich syndrome
worked before it can work again. I think that some states do have
laws requiring decent education for their students, but I think that
this Georgia board is supposed to insure that. It looks like if you
get the right creeps on the board you can justify anything.
I read this as "let the "right" creep in the board you can justify
anything."
This is one reason I oppose local control of school boards. People
know little and care less about school boards, so it is easier for
right wing stealth canidates to get onboard and tie up the district
with idiotic things like creationism, flag issues, dress codes and the
like; all the while ignoring things like education and fixing the
roofs of schools.
Rodjk #613
Ron Okimoto
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30 Jan 2004 06:27:03 PM |
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In sci.skeptic article <63afe69c.0401301333.2d0e4053@posting.google.com> Ron Okimoto <rokimoto@mail.uark.edu> wrote:
: There would be no trial because there would be no law against teaching
: real science. There is only a restriction on creationism because the
: courts ruled that it is religion. Just dropping something from what
: is taught worked for decades, but the creationists suffered set backs
: after Sputnik and subsequent improvements in science education.
: Georgia just wants to go back to the time when evolution just wasn't
: taught. They didn't need a law just neglect. The ostrich syndrome
: worked before it can work again. I think that some states do have
: laws requiring decent education for their students, but I think that
: this Georgia board is supposed to insure that. It looks like if you
: get the right creeps on the board you can justify anything.
On the board? Talking to folk in AZ, I was told the legislature there
voted down a bill which would require sex education to be medically
accurate. This, my friend said, was in the face of a large defict as
well, wondering why they were wasting time on a non problem to create a
possible problem with inaccurate sex education.
It boggles....
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calls for attachment than any other, it is the principle of free thought-
not free thought for those who agree with us, but freedom for the thought
that we hate."
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30 Jan 2004 09:09:24 PM |
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John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote in
news:401af65c$0$33364$d368eab@news.calweb.com:
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On the board? Talking to folk in AZ, I was told the legislature there
voted down a bill which would require sex education to be medically
accurate. This, my friend said, was in the face of a large defict as
well, wondering why they were wasting time on a non problem to create a
possible problem with inaccurate sex education.
It boggles....
Based only what was written above I would be against the bill too.
1) The law almost certainly requires that textbooks, etc. be accurate.
2) I am suspicious of alterior motives. It reminds me of creationist
attempts to make very similiar sounding bills to give them room
to attack evolution in the textbooks. And then there are lawmakers
who like passing laws that don't really do anything hoping to be
credited for doing something.
Of course I reserve the right to change my mind if presented with
more information on the bill.
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31 Jan 2004 09:36:44 AM |
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John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote in message news:<401af65c$0$33364$d368eab@news.calweb.com>...
In sci.skeptic article <63afe69c.0401301333.2d0e4053@posting.google.com> Ron Okimoto <rokimoto@mail.uark.edu> wrote:
: There would be no trial because there would be no law against teaching
: real science. There is only a restriction on creationism because the
: courts ruled that it is religion. Just dropping something from what
: is taught worked for decades, but the creationists suffered set backs
: after Sputnik and subsequent improvements in science education.
: Georgia just wants to go back to the time when evolution just wasn't
: taught. They didn't need a law just neglect. The ostrich syndrome
: worked before it can work again. I think that some states do have
: laws requiring decent education for their students, but I think that
: this Georgia board is supposed to insure that. It looks like if you
: get the right creeps on the board you can justify anything.
On the board? Talking to folk in AZ, I was told the legislature there
voted down a bill which would require sex education to be medically
accurate. This, my friend said, was in the face of a large defict as
well, wondering why they were wasting time on a non problem to create a
possible problem with inaccurate sex education.
It boggles....
According to one of the news articles there were 25 people on some
board or committee that signed off on the new standards.
Ron Okimoto
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30 Jan 2004 08:49:54 PM |
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In article <bvdp0q$1ou$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message
news:snck10hmv1i2gjsi8ddeluhk1gte734p3c@4ax.com...
From the article:
------------------------------------------
By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 — A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
Although education officials said the final version would not be
binding on teachers, its contents will ultimately help shape
achievement exams. And in a state where religion-based concepts of
creation are widely held, many teachers said a curriculum without
mentioning "evolution" would make it harder to broach the subject in
the classroom.
---------------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/education/30GEOR.html?ex=1076043600&en=44234
7ae564b42d7&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
I wonder if, when a Georgia teacher decides to teach evolution despite the
guidelines, and a student brings a lawsuit or prosecution, we shall see a
21st century version of the Scopes Trial? Could be interesting....
Are you sure you really want to see that? I'm not so sure that the
country is as enlightened about evolution as it was in the 1920's....
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
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30 Jan 2004 12:40:55 PM |
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In talk.origins Mike Dworetsky <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
I wonder if, when a Georgia teacher decides to teach evolution despite the
guidelines, and a student brings a lawsuit or prosecution, we shall see a
21st century version of the Scopes Trial? Could be interesting....
You misunderstand: the student complains, the teacher is
fired.
One or two of those, and you don't get any more uppity
teachers.
rich
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31 Jan 2004 11:07:27 AM |
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"rich hammett" <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in message
news:101l99r3cc0av11@corp.supernews.com...
In talk.origins Mike Dworetsky <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> sanoi,
hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
I wonder if, when a Georgia teacher decides to teach evolution despite
the
guidelines, and a student brings a lawsuit or prosecution, we shall see
a
21st century version of the Scopes Trial? Could be interesting....
You misunderstand: the student complains, the teacher is
fired.
One or two of those, and you don't get any more uppity
teachers.
You'd run out of teachers.
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| User: "Orac" |
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30 Jan 2004 08:49:56 PM |
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In article <101l99r3cc0av11@corp.supernews.com>,
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote:
In talk.origins Mike Dworetsky <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> sanoi,
hitaasti kuin hamahakki:
I wonder if, when a Georgia teacher decides to teach evolution despite the
guidelines, and a student brings a lawsuit or prosecution, we shall see a
21st century version of the Scopes Trial? Could be interesting....
You misunderstand: the student complains, the teacher is
fired.
One or two of those, and you don't get any more uppity
teachers.
Heck, students don't even need "guidelines" or a law to complain and
cause grief for a teacher.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
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30 Jan 2004 01:48:42 PM |
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Mike Dworetsky wrote:
Read the rest at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/education/30GEOR.html?ex=1076043600&en=442347ae564b42d7&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
I wonder if, when a Georgia teacher decides to teach evolution despite the
guidelines, and a student brings a lawsuit or prosecution, we shall see a
21st century version of the Scopes Trial? Could be interesting....
It would be hilarious if it weren't so damn sad.
--
Welcome to California, the earth move for you too?
-Troy Leveille-dit-Truchon
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31 Jan 2004 03:17:19 AM |
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In article <snck10hmv1i2gjsi8ddeluhk1gte734p3c@4ax.com>,
Jason Spaceman <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote:
From the article:
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By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 ~ A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
Although education officials said the final version would not be
binding on teachers, its contents will ultimately help shape
achievement exams. And in a state where religion-based concepts of
creation are widely held, many teachers said a curriculum without
mentioning "evolution" would make it harder to broach the subject in
the classroom.
---------------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/education/30GEOR.html?ex=1076043600&en=44234
7ae564b42d7&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
How sad for those kids. If they want to go on to college to study
biology or medicine, they will be at a disadvantage. If I lived in
Georgia and had school age kids, I would seriously consider moving out
of state.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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30 Jan 2004 10:00:50 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in
news:snck10hmv1i2gjsi8ddeluhk1gte734p3c@4ax.com:
From the article:
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By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: January 30, 2004
ATLANTA, Jan. 29 — A proposed set of guidelines for middle and high
school science classes in Georgia has caused a furor after state
education officials removed the word "evolution" and scaled back ideas
about the age of Earth and the natural selection of species.
Educators across the state said that the document, which was released
on the Internet this month, was a veiled effort to bolster creationism
and that it would leave the state's public school graduates at a
disadvantage.
"They've taken away a major component of biology and acted as if it
doesn't exist," said David Bechler, who heads the biology department
at Valdosta State University. "By doing this, we're leaving the public
shortchanged of the knowledge they should have."
Although education officials said the final version would not be
binding on teachers, its contents will ultimately help shape
achievement exams. And in a state where religion-based concepts of
creation are widely held, many teachers said a curriculum without
mentioning "evolution" would make it harder to broach the subject in
the classroom.
What an excellent idea to destroy a generation's possibilities to study
anything that has to do with biology at college/university level.
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