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"Jason Spaceman" |
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26 Nov 2003 01:15:00 AM |
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In the News: Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.' |
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
From the article:
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Did Johnny Hart -- the beloved creator of the comic strip B.C. and one
of the most widely read cartoonists on Earth -- sneak a vulgar
defamation of Islam into the comics pages on Nov. 10?
The question was raised last week by the Council on American-Islamic
Relations in an e-mail to its membership.
Hart, 73, and his syndicate say no -- that a simple, straightforward
joke is being misconstrued. But the cartoonist has a history of
evangelizing his Christian beliefs through his comic cavemen.
The cartoon, which appeared in the Akron Beacon Journal and more than
1,200 other papers worldwide, shows a caveman entering an outhouse at
night, and then saying, from inside, ``Is it just me, or does it stink
in here?''
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Read it at http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/entertainment/7331058.htm
The comic in question can be viewed at
http://www.comics.com/creators/bc/archive/bc-20031110.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.' |
26 Nov 2003 04:15:15 AM |
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In article <pkk8sv0nin6gb9q4lfeqq55tb9qh5tvio6@4ax.com>,
Jason Spaceman <IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com> wrote:
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
From the article:
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Did Johnny Hart -- the beloved creator of the comic strip B.C. and one
of the most widely read cartoonists on Earth -- sneak a vulgar
defamation of Islam into the comics pages on Nov. 10?
The question was raised last week by the Council on American-Islamic
Relations in an e-mail to its membership.
Hart, 73, and his syndicate say no -- that a simple, straightforward
joke is being misconstrued. But the cartoonist has a history of
evangelizing his Christian beliefs through his comic cavemen.
The cartoon, which appeared in the Akron Beacon Journal and more than
1,200 other papers worldwide, shows a caveman entering an outhouse at
night, and then saying, from inside, ``Is it just me, or does it stink
in here?''
I read this story and I thought it was pathetic. I looked up the actual
cartoon and it's obvious that there is no intent to attack Islam. Sure,
Muslims are under attack from lots of areas, but they're being
hypersensitive, finding ***** that ain't there.
IMO, they ought to concentrate on things that are *serious* before they
start making noise like this.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Bob Dog" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.' |
26 Nov 2003 08:27:40 AM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<nemo0037-F5C559.05144926112003@news03.east.earthlink.net>...
In article <pkk8sv0nin6gb9q4lfeqq55tb9qh5tvio6@4ax.com>,
Jason Spaceman <IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com> wrote:
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
From the article:
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Did Johnny Hart -- the beloved creator of the comic strip B.C. and one
of the most widely read cartoonists on Earth -- sneak a vulgar
defamation of Islam into the comics pages on Nov. 10?
I read this story and I thought it was pathetic. I looked up the actual
cartoon and it's obvious that there is no intent to attack Islam. Sure,
Muslims are under attack from lots of areas, but they're being
hypersensitive, finding ***** that ain't there.
If Hart weren't a religious fanatic and hadn't published
anti-menorah strip previously, I'd agree. I'd give this
the benefit of doubt, but I wouldn't put it past him to
have this in his (petty and deranged) mind.
Bob Dog
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.' |
26 Nov 2003 11:45:12 AM |
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Bob Dog <bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:4fa573de.0311260627.3c345b26@posting.google.com...
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:<nemo0037-F5C559.05144926112003@news03.east.earthlink.net>...
In article <pkk8sv0nin6gb9q4lfeqq55tb9qh5tvio6@4ax.com>,
Jason Spaceman <IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com> wrote:
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
From the article:
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Did Johnny Hart -- the beloved creator of the comic strip B.C. and one
of the most widely read cartoonists on Earth -- sneak a vulgar
defamation of Islam into the comics pages on Nov. 10?
I read this story and I thought it was pathetic. I looked up the actual
cartoon and it's obvious that there is no intent to attack Islam. Sure,
Muslims are under attack from lots of areas, but they're being
hypersensitive, finding ***** that ain't there.
If Hart weren't a religious fanatic and hadn't published
anti-menorah strip previously, I'd agree. I'd give this
the benefit of doubt, but I wouldn't put it past him to
have this in his (petty and deranged) mind.
I must admit the anti-Islam interpretation of the comic would never have
occurred to me if someone else hadn't brought it up, but now that I see it,
I think it's there - not obvious, but it's there. What really clinches it
for me is the gap between the first and second panels - shaped like an I? -
with the letters "SLAM" running vertically down through it.
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| User: "Robert Matthews" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.' |
26 Nov 2003 11:53:12 AM |
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In article <4fa573de.0311260627.3c345b26@posting.google.com>,
(Bob Dog) wrote:
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:<nemo0037-F5C559.05144926112003@news03.east.earthlink.net>...
In article <pkk8sv0nin6gb9q4lfeqq55tb9qh5tvio6@4ax.com>,
Jason Spaceman <IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com> wrote:
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
From the article:
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Did Johnny Hart -- the beloved creator of the comic strip B.C. and one
of the most widely read cartoonists on Earth -- sneak a vulgar
defamation of Islam into the comics pages on Nov. 10?
I read this story and I thought it was pathetic. I looked up the actual
cartoon and it's obvious that there is no intent to attack Islam. Sure,
Muslims are under attack from lots of areas, but they're being
hypersensitive, finding ***** that ain't there.
If Hart weren't a religious fanatic and hadn't published
anti-menorah strip previously, I'd agree. I'd give this
the benefit of doubt, but I wouldn't put it past him to
have this in his (petty and deranged) mind.
I can't give him the benefit of the doubt. The repeated use of the
crescent, a symbol of Islam; the coded word "Islam" in the intercalary
panel; the otherwise meaningless punch line (walking into an outhouse
and announcing that it stinks is like climbing into a casket and noting
that it's cramped). I just don't see any other conclusion; he cheesily
concealed an attack on a religion not his own in his worthless comic
strip. It wouldn't be the first time.
Robert Matthews
a.a. #1801
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.' |
03 Dec 2003 11:02:17 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:15:00 GMT, Jason Spaceman
<IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com> ejaculated:
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
Is it just me, or does that comic strip suck dead donkey *****? What I
find disturbing is that anyone is reading this unfunny shite.
--
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"
- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "William Barwell" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.' |
04 Dec 2003 12:55:18 AM |
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Beowulf wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:15:00 GMT, Jason Spaceman
<IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com> ejaculated:
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
Is it just me, or does that comic strip suck dead donkey *****? What I
find disturbing is that anyone is reading this unfunny shite.
Bluntly, 90% of all 'comic' strips in today's papers suck dead donkey *****.
Hart hasn't been funny for years. He's not alone.
Dilbert, Parhana club, Bizarro, there's not much else I can think of I'd
miss if it all went away. At least Opus is coming back Sundays.
--
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security,
deserve neither liberty or security"
- Benjamin Franklin
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Bush! Chimp or chump?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.' |
03 Dec 2003 11:18:38 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:02:17 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<fn5ssv412i9p52o3p7lslbu4u8l899cbl9@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:15:00 GMT, Jason Spaceman
<IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com> ejaculated:
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
Is it just me, or does that comic strip suck dead donkey *****? What I
find disturbing is that anyone is reading this unfunny shite.
It's sucked for years.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Yang" |
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26 Nov 2003 02:06:44 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:15:00 GMT, Jason Spaceman
<IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com> wrote:
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
I'm glad my home town newspaper- LA Times, dropped that sorry excuse
of a cartoonist.
From the article:
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Did Johnny Hart -- the beloved creator of the comic strip B.C. and one
of the most widely read cartoonists on Earth -- sneak a vulgar
defamation of Islam into the comics pages on Nov. 10?
The question was raised last week by the Council on American-Islamic
Relations in an e-mail to its membership.
Hart, 73, and his syndicate say no -- that a simple, straightforward
joke is being misconstrued. But the cartoonist has a history of
evangelizing his Christian beliefs through his comic cavemen.
The cartoon, which appeared in the Akron Beacon Journal and more than
1,200 other papers worldwide, shows a caveman entering an outhouse at
night, and then saying, from inside, ``Is it just me, or does it stink
in here?''
-------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/entertainment/7331058.htm
The comic in question can be viewed at
http://www.comics.com/creators/bc/archive/bc-20031110.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.' |
26 Nov 2003 03:16:00 AM |
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"Yang" <eacmole@SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fc45e99.18236328@news.cox.net...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:15:00 GMT, Jason Spaceman
<IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com> wrote:
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
I'm glad my home town newspaper- LA Times, dropped that sorry excuse
of a cartoonist.
Agreed, it's about as funny as Ziggy. But this Islam thingee IS a stretch
From what I can tell of the description.
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| User: "Robert Matthews" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.' |
26 Nov 2003 04:32:36 AM |
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In article <jb_wb.228748$mZ5.1731206@attbi_s54>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Yang" <eacmole@SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fc45e99.18236328@news.cox.net...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:15:00 GMT, Jason Spaceman
<IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com> wrote:
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
I'm glad my home town newspaper- LA Times, dropped that sorry excuse
of a cartoonist.
Agreed, it's about as funny as Ziggy. But this Islam thingee IS a stretch
From what I can tell of the description.
Have you looked at the cartoon, which is at
http://www.comics.com/creators/bc/archive/bc-20031110.html
as the original poster said?
I thought it sounded like whining, too, but when you look at the
cartoon, there's just no question that that ***** Hart is insulting
Islam, because what else could the point of the cartoon be?
At the risk of deconstructing the life out of it: The first panel
shows a silhouetted figure at night is walking to an outhouse with a
crescent moon in the sky and another cut into the outhouse door (one of
the traditional shapes for such a window in American, if not caveman,
outhouses). The second panel is a narrow inter-panel area with the word
SLAM, which can easily be taken as the letter I containing the letters
s-l-a-m, or "Islam"--an odd construction for a cartoonist who never
plays with his frames, when the word "slam" could have been put into a
picture. Then, after one otherwise uninteresting frame (what they call a
beat in the comedy biz) the voice emerging from the outhouse says, "Is
is just me, or does it STINK in here?"
That's it. That's the whole cartoon. As usual, pointless and
unfunny, just what we expect from "B.C.", but Hart's cartoons usually
end with a punch line, and this doesn't seem to have one. I don't know
what else it could be except a painfully jejune religious insult, par
for the course from this worthless cartoonist. Doubtless this will
result in his strip being mercifully pulled from even more newspapers,
and doubtless that will result in a press release denying an insulting
intent and at the same time decrying his non-Christian detractors.
Robert Matthews
a.a. #1801
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| User: "towelie" |
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26 Nov 2003 03:26:27 PM |
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TV's Robert Matthews wrote:
In article <jb_wb.228748$mZ5.1731206@attbi_s54>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Yang" <eacmole@SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fc45e99.18236328@news.cox.net...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:15:00 GMT, Jason Spaceman
<IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com> wrote:
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
I'm glad my home town newspaper- LA Times, dropped that sorry excuse
of a cartoonist.
Agreed, it's about as funny as Ziggy. But this Islam thingee IS a
stretch From what I can tell of the description.
Have you looked at the cartoon, which is at
http://www.comics.com/creators/bc/archive/bc-20031110.html
as the original poster said?
I thought it sounded like whining, too, but when you look at the
cartoon, there's just no question that that ***** Hart is insulting
Islam, because what else could the point of the cartoon be?
None of Hart's cartoons have a point, nor do any of them contain any humor.
At the risk of deconstructing the life out of it: The first panel
shows a silhouetted figure at night is walking to an outhouse with a
crescent moon in the sky and another cut into the outhouse door (one
of the traditional shapes for such a window in American, if not
caveman, outhouses). The second panel is a narrow inter-panel area
with the word SLAM, which can easily be taken as the letter I
containing the letters s-l-a-m, or "Islam"--an odd construction for a
cartoonist who never
plays with his frames, when the word "slam" could have been put into a
picture. Then, after one otherwise uninteresting frame (what they
call a beat in the comedy biz) the voice emerging from the outhouse
says, "Is
is just me, or does it STINK in here?"
That's it. That's the whole cartoon. As usual, pointless and
unfunny, just what we expect from "B.C.", but Hart's cartoons usually
end with a punch line, and this doesn't seem to have one. I don't know
what else it could be except a painfully jejune religious insult, par
for the course from this worthless cartoonist. Doubtless this will
result in his strip being mercifully pulled from even more newspapers,
and doubtless that will result in a press release denying an insulting
intent and at the same time decrying his non-Christian detractors.
The strip is dumb, but not a slam on Islam, IMO.
--
Swayin' to the rhythm of the new world order
Count the bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drum
aa #2133
apatriot #19
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Nov 2003 10:29:31 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:15:00 GMT, Jason Spaceman
<IEatSpammersForBreakfast@rogers.com>, Message ID:
<pkk8sv0nin6gb9q4lfeqq55tb9qh5tvio6@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
'Hidden slur alleged in comic strip `B.C.': Christian cartoonist
denies recent `outhouse' strip takes shot at Islam'
From the article:
-------------------------------------------
Did Johnny Hart -- the beloved creator of the comic strip B.C. and one
of the most widely read cartoonists on Earth -- sneak a vulgar
defamation of Islam into the comics pages on Nov. 10?
The question was raised last week by the Council on American-Islamic
Relations in an e-mail to its membership.
Hart, 73, and his syndicate say no -- that a simple, straightforward
joke is being misconstrued. But the cartoonist has a history of
evangelizing his Christian beliefs through his comic cavemen.
The cartoon, which appeared in the Akron Beacon Journal and more than
1,200 other papers worldwide, shows a caveman entering an outhouse at
night, and then saying, from inside, ``Is it just me, or does it stink
in here?''
-------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/entertainment/7331058.htm
The comic in question can be viewed at
http://www.comics.com/creators/bc/archive/bc-20031110.html
Looks to me like they're searching for the proverbial cat in the dark
cellar at midnight that isn't there.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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