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"Jason Spaceman" |
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26 Jun 2005 07:04:57 AM |
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In the News: Kansans polled on origin of life |
From the article:
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The conservative stance that the Kansas Board of Education has taken on
evolution has drawn national attention. But a new poll shows that its
position might not be that different from that of the general public.
Evolution defenders questioned the findings of the poll, done this month
for The Kansas City Star and The Wichita Eagle. But state board Chairman
Steve Abrams said the poll confirms what he has been saying all along.
“There is a difference of opinion out there and it’s not just in the
scientific community,” said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
“It substantiates what we are trying to do.”
The poll found:
- When asked which direction the board should take, 31 percent said it
should require that theories other than evolution be offered; 24 percent
said criticism of evolution should be allowed; 25 percent said only
evolution should be taught; and 20 percent were not sure.
- When asked which best described their view on the origin of life, 39
percent said creationism; 26 percent said evolution; 16 percent said
intelligent design; and 19 percent said other.
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Read it at http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/11987073.htm
(get a username & password at
http://www.bugmenot.com/view.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kansascity.com)
J. Spaceman
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26 Jun 2005 07:18:28 AM |
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Also see 'Evolution poll shows majority want change' at
http://www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/living/education/11988931.htm
From the article:
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Respondents to a recent poll say they want schools to teach more than just
theories on evolution.
BY JOSH FUNK
The Wichita Eagle
A majority of Kansans polled say they want public schools to either allow
evolution to be criticized or teach other theories alongside it in science
classes.
And more than one-third of the respondents say the Bible's story of
creation is the best explanation for the origin of life.
Those findings are part of a poll about evolution conducted June 14-16 for
The Wichita Eagle and the Kansas City Star.
The results offer encouragement to proponents of the state's proposed new
science standards, which are critical of how evolution is taught.
But evolution proponents see the results as proof that the average Kansan
doesn't know much about science.
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J. Spaceman
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26 Jun 2005 08:33:00 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
But evolution proponents see the results as proof that the average Kansan
doesn't know much about science.
Bingo.
I wonder... if you polled the average person on the street, I wonder
how many people would be of the opinion that heavy objects fall faster
than light ones? Perhaps we should "teach the controversy"?
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[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"During wars laws are silent." -- Cicero
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27 Jun 2005 12:20:47 PM |
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Richard Clayton wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
But evolution proponents see the results as proof that the average Kansan
doesn't know much about science.
Bingo.
I wonder... if you polled the average person on the street, I wonder
how many people would be of the opinion that heavy objects fall faster
than light ones?
Can't answer this, but this graph from "S&E Indicators 2004" should give
a good indicator.
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind04/c7/fig07-06.htm
Full report for 2004 is at
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind04/
and 2002 with he original data for the US is at
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind02/
The European study is at
europa.eu.int/comm/research/ press/2001/pr0612en-report.pdf
Perhaps we should "teach the controversy"?
Just good scripture doesn't comment on this, otherwise the x-bots would
demand it.
j.m.
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27 Jun 2005 08:26:29 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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The poll found:
- When asked which direction the board should take, 31 percent said it
should require that theories other than evolution be offered; 24 percent
said criticism of evolution should be allowed; 25 percent said only
evolution should be taught; and 20 percent were not sure.
- When asked which best described their view on the origin of life, 39
percent said creationism; 26 percent said evolution; 16 percent said
intelligent design; and 19 percent said other.
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Read it at http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/11987073.htm
J. Spaceman
That's fantastic. The poll showed that Kansans are ignorant about
evolution. 19-20 percent said they were not sure?! That means the
schools are doing an inadequate job of teaching the subject to begin
with! I think the schools should be spending more time teaching
evolution, not less!
(Ultimately I think the problem comes from a lack of understanding of
evolution among teachers. Elementary teachers don't care about science
and high school teachers can typically teach biology with only a few
college courses in the subject. Depending on how they are licensed, of
course.)
-LisaKay
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27 Jun 2005 08:42:28 AM |
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LisaKay wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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The poll found:
- When asked which direction the board should take, 31 percent said it
should require that theories other than evolution be offered; 24 percent
said criticism of evolution should be allowed; 25 percent said only
evolution should be taught; and 20 percent were not sure.
- When asked which best described their view on the origin of life, 39
percent said creationism; 26 percent said evolution; 16 percent said
intelligent design; and 19 percent said other.
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Read it at http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/11987073.htm
J. Spaceman
That's fantastic. The poll showed that Kansans are ignorant about
evolution. 19-20 percent said they were not sure?! That means the
schools are doing an inadequate job of teaching the subject to begin
with! I think the schools should be spending more time teaching
evolution, not less!
(Ultimately I think the problem comes from a lack of understanding of
evolution among teachers. Elementary teachers don't care about science
and high school teachers can typically teach biology with only a few
college courses in the subject. Depending on how they are licensed, of
course.)
Several years ago I had an argument with a YEC, in which he claimed
that the local High School's treatment of evolution ( a multi-week
segment in Biology ) was too much, and that everything that needed to
be taught about evolution could be covered in 2 days at most.
Considering his view on the subject, I wondered why he thought it would
take two days to say "goddidit".
-LisaKay
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27 Jun 2005 10:21:19 AM |
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Bill Hudson <oldgeek61-951@yahoo.com> wrote:
Several years ago I had an argument with a YEC, in which he claimed
that the local High School's treatment of evolution ( a multi-week
segment in Biology ) was too much, and that everything that needed to
be taught about evolution could be covered in 2 days at most.
To which I would reply, everything that needed to be taught about
Christianity and other religions could be covered in 2 days at most...
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| User: "scooter" |
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27 Jun 2005 12:09:11 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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The conservative stance that the Kansas Board of Education has taken on
evolution has drawn national attention. But a new poll shows that its
position might not be that different from that of the general public.
Evolution defenders questioned the findings of the poll, done this month
for The Kansas City Star and The Wichita Eagle. But state board Chairman
Steve Abrams said the poll confirms what he has been saying all along.
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
"It substantiates what we are trying to do."
The poll found:
- When asked which direction the board should take, 31 percent said it
should require that theories other than evolution be offered; 24 percent
said criticism of evolution should be allowed; 25 percent said only
evolution should be taught; and 20 percent were not sure.
- When asked which best described their view on the origin of life, 39
percent said creationism; 26 percent said evolution; 16 percent said
intelligent design; and 19 percent said other.
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Read it at http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/11987073.htm
(get a username & password at
http://www.bugmenot.com/view.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kansascity.com)
J. Spaceman
Whew...I was getting worried there. I was wondering when we would get
around to a democratic scientific methodology. Its a good thing we have
Abrams to explain that science is about public opinion. I vote that the
earth is flat.
I question this poll too. However, I have no doubt that it
"substantiates what [Abrams et. al.] is trying to do". That is to
inject religious dogma in science class.
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26 Jun 2005 08:56:24 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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The conservative stance that the Kansas Board of Education has taken on
evolution has drawn national attention. But a new poll shows that its
position might not be that different from that of the general public.
Evolution defenders questioned the findings of the poll, done this month
for The Kansas City Star and The Wichita Eagle. But state board Chairman
Steve Abrams said the poll confirms what he has been saying all along.
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
"It substantiates what we are trying to do."
The poll found:
- When asked which direction the board should take, 31 percent said it
should require that theories other than evolution be offered; 24 percent
said criticism of evolution should be allowed; 25 percent said only
evolution should be taught; and 20 percent were not sure.
- When asked which best described their view on the origin of life, 39
percent said creationism; 26 percent said evolution; 16 percent said
intelligent design; and 19 percent said other.
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Read it at http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/11987073.htm
(get a username & password at
http://www.bugmenot.com/view.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kansascity.com)
The wonder of modern sensational polling techniques:
You can prove anything and everything, depending on who pays you the
most!
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
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27 Jun 2005 09:31:38 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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[...] state board Chairman Steve Abrams said [...]
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in
the scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort
to introduce more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
[...]
He should say -- "there is a difference of opinion out there but not in
the scientific community."
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27 Jun 2005 09:57:29 AM |
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Dave wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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[...] state board Chairman Steve Abrams said [...]
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in
the scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort
to introduce more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
[...]
He should say -- "there is a difference of opinion out there but not in
the scientific community."
This is for the simple folk of Kansas:
In the beginning there was, from a tiny mysterious something, a "big
bang," as it is called.
After a long while, complex molecules formed.
Eventually, some of this collected into even more complex
arrangements, and began to replicate; it bagan to want to live.
The jump had been made from lifeless matter to living matter.
Eventually it became a cow.
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27 Jun 2005 05:55:34 PM |
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muldoon wrote:
Dave wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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[...] state board Chairman Steve Abrams said [...]
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in
the scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort
to introduce more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
[...]
He should say -- "there is a difference of opinion out there but not in
the scientific community."
This is for the simple folk of Kansas:
In the beginning there was, from a tiny mysterious something, a "big
bang," as it is called.
After a long while, complex molecules formed.
Eventually, some of this collected into even more complex
arrangements, and began to replicate; it bagan to want to live.
The jump had been made from lifeless matter to living matter.
Eventually it became a cow.
And many years later, began posting rambling incoherencies to Usenet.
--
James B
aa #944
"Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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27 Jun 2005 11:15:34 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:55:34 -0500, James <spamblock@com.com> wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Dave wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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[...] state board Chairman Steve Abrams said [...]
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in
the scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort
to introduce more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
[...]
He should say -- "there is a difference of opinion out there but not in
the scientific community."
This is for the simple folk of Kansas:
In the beginning there was, from a tiny mysterious something, a "big
bang," as it is called.
After a long while, complex molecules formed.
Eventually, some of this collected into even more complex
arrangements, and began to replicate; it bagan to want to live.
The jump had been made from lifeless matter to living matter.
Eventually it became a cow.
And many years later, began posting rambling incoherencies to Usenet.
that's what happens when cattle have unrestricted access to Usenet.
German
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28 Jun 2005 04:07:10 AM |
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wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:55:34 -0500, James <spamblock@com.com> wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Dave wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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[...] state board Chairman Steve Abrams said [...]
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in
the scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort
to introduce more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
[...]
He should say -- "there is a difference of opinion out there but not in
the scientific community."
This is for the simple folk of Kansas:
In the beginning there was, from a tiny mysterious something, a "big
bang," as it is called.
After a long while, complex molecules formed.
Eventually, some of this collected into even more complex
arrangements, and began to replicate; it bagan to want to live.
The jump had been made from lifeless matter to living matter.
Eventually it became a cow.
And many years later, began posting rambling incoherencies to Usenet.
that's what happens when cattle have unrestricted access to Usenet.
German
Hey, cows are people too.
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28 Jun 2005 04:20:00 AM |
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On 28 Jun 2005 02:07:10 -0700, "muldoon" <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:
tracym@askme.net wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:55:34 -0500, James <spamblock@com.com> wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Dave wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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[...] state board Chairman Steve Abrams said [...]
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in
the scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort
to introduce more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
[...]
He should say -- "there is a difference of opinion out there but not in
the scientific community."
This is for the simple folk of Kansas:
In the beginning there was, from a tiny mysterious something, a "big
bang," as it is called.
After a long while, complex molecules formed.
Eventually, some of this collected into even more complex
arrangements, and began to replicate; it bagan to want to live.
The jump had been made from lifeless matter to living matter.
Eventually it became a cow.
And many years later, began posting rambling incoherencies to Usenet.
that's what happens when cattle have unrestricted access to Usenet.
German
Hey, cows are people too.
And they're smarter than most creationists, too. <G>
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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26 Jun 2005 10:56:19 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
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| User: "muldoon" |
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27 Jun 2005 01:21:55 AM |
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Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
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27 Jun 2005 08:13:16 AM |
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muldoon wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
It would be funny if it wasn't so true. The rest of the world *is*
laughing at us. Only in America can the ignorant garner such public
attention.
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27 Jun 2005 09:28:49 AM |
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VoiceOfReason wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
It would be funny if it wasn't so true. The rest of the world *is*
laughing at us. Only in America can the ignorant garner such public
attention.
Unfortunately, this fact holds no weight in the minds of creationists.
In fact, it is likely to confirm their beliefs that "the world" is
controlled by Satan and that they are on the one true path to
righteousness.
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27 Jun 2005 02:13:48 AM |
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muldoon wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
Trite? Hmm...
Here in England, and the rest of Europe for that matter, we find the
matter of creationism in the USA a joke - or would do if it were not
for the political influence exerted by its proponents.
You may think it trite, but that tells us more about you than about the
truth of what I write. The simple fact is that the better educated the
group you include in your survey, the less likely they are to believe
in the Biblical account of creation.
Do you have an alternative explanation for this phenomenon to levels of
education?
RF
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27 Jun 2005 10:21:27 AM |
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Richard Forrest wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
Trite? Hmm...
Here in England, and the rest of Europe for that matter, we find the
matter of creationism in the USA a joke - or would do if it were not
for the political influence exerted by its proponents.
You may think it trite, but that tells us more about you than about the
truth of what I write. The simple fact is that the better educated the
group you include in your survey, the less likely they are to believe
in the Biblical account of creation.
Do you have an alternative explanation for this phenomenon to levels of
education?
RF
The secret is that the really really smart people have never taken
Biblical Creationism seriously, and, now, are having a difficult time
taking the pompous traditionalist Darwinists seriously.
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27 Jun 2005 12:44:31 PM |
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On 27 Jun 2005 08:21:27 -0700,
muldoon <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
Trite? Hmm...
Here in England, and the rest of Europe for that matter, we find the
matter of creationism in the USA a joke - or would do if it were not
for the political influence exerted by its proponents.
You may think it trite, but that tells us more about you than about the
truth of what I write. The simple fact is that the better educated the
group you include in your survey, the less likely they are to believe
in the Biblical account of creation.
Do you have an alternative explanation for this phenomenon to levels of
education?
RF
The secret is that the really really smart people have never taken
Biblical Creationism seriously, and, now, are having a difficult time
taking the pompous traditionalist Darwinists seriously.
Oh my, pompous is it? What the hell is a "traditionalist Darwinist"
anyways. Just how many kinds of Darwinists are there? Was there a schism
and nobody told me? Perhaps I'm a Reformed Northern New Darwinist.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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27 Jun 2005 01:08:32 PM |
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AC wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 08:21:27 -0700,
muldoon <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
Trite? Hmm...
Here in England, and the rest of Europe for that matter, we find the
matter of creationism in the USA a joke - or would do if it were not
for the political influence exerted by its proponents.
You may think it trite, but that tells us more about you than about the
truth of what I write. The simple fact is that the better educated the
group you include in your survey, the less likely they are to believe
in the Biblical account of creation.
Do you have an alternative explanation for this phenomenon to levels of
education?
RF
The secret is that the really really smart people have never taken
Biblical Creationism seriously, and, now, are having a difficult time
taking the pompous traditionalist Darwinists seriously.
Oh my, pompous is it? What the hell is a "traditionalist Darwinist"
anyways. Just how many kinds of Darwinists are there? Was there a schism
and nobody told me? Perhaps I'm a Reformed Northern New Darwinist.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
Finally, one of you admitted it! DARWINISM IS A RELIGION!!!
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Kansans polled on origin of life |
27 Jun 2005 04:28:03 PM |
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On 27 Jun 2005 11:08:32 -0700,
muldoon <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 08:21:27 -0700,
muldoon <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
Trite? Hmm...
Here in England, and the rest of Europe for that matter, we find the
matter of creationism in the USA a joke - or would do if it were not
for the political influence exerted by its proponents.
You may think it trite, but that tells us more about you than about the
truth of what I write. The simple fact is that the better educated the
group you include in your survey, the less likely they are to believe
in the Biblical account of creation.
Do you have an alternative explanation for this phenomenon to levels of
education?
RF
The secret is that the really really smart people have never taken
Biblical Creationism seriously, and, now, are having a difficult time
taking the pompous traditionalist Darwinists seriously.
Oh my, pompous is it? What the hell is a "traditionalist Darwinist"
anyways. Just how many kinds of Darwinists are there? Was there a schism
and nobody told me? Perhaps I'm a Reformed Northern New Darwinist.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
Finally, one of you admitted it! DARWINISM IS A RELIGION!!!
I'm not sure what's more pathetic, the above nonsense, or your inability to
recognize humor.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Kansans polled on origin of life |
28 Jun 2005 06:19:38 PM |
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On 27 Jun 2005 11:08:32 -0700, "muldoon" <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:
AC wrote:
snip
Oh my, pompous is it? What the hell is a "traditionalist Darwinist"
anyways. Just how many kinds of Darwinists are there? Was there a schism
and nobody told me? Perhaps I'm a Reformed Northern New Darwinist.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
Finally, one of you admitted it! DARWINISM IS A RELIGION!!!
Muldoon, If it should ever chance, that you are offered another brain; as an
act of simple kindness, refuse it
The poor thing would be lonely.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "muldoon" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Kansans polled on origin of life |
02 Jul 2005 06:35:42 AM |
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Dubh Ghall wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 11:08:32 -0700, "muldoon" <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:
AC wrote:
snip
Oh my, pompous is it? What the hell is a "traditionalist Darwinist"
anyways. Just how many kinds of Darwinists are there? Was there a schism
and nobody told me? Perhaps I'm a Reformed Northern New Darwinist.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
Finally, one of you admitted it! DARWINISM IS A RELIGION!!!
Muldoon, If it should ever chance, that you are offered another brain; as an
act of simple kindness, refuse it
Now you're telling me that you believe in reincarnation? Now, you're
going to hell for sure. Oh. Gotta leave now. Time to milk the cows.
The poor thing would be lonely.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Kansans polled on origin of life |
27 Jun 2005 05:46:26 PM |
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muldoon wrote:
AC wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 08:21:27 -0700,
muldoon <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
Trite? Hmm...
Here in England, and the rest of Europe for that matter, we find the
matter of creationism in the USA a joke - or would do if it were not
for the political influence exerted by its proponents.
You may think it trite, but that tells us more about you than about the
truth of what I write. The simple fact is that the better educated the
group you include in your survey, the less likely they are to believe
in the Biblical account of creation.
Do you have an alternative explanation for this phenomenon to levels of
education?
RF
The secret is that the really really smart people have never taken
Biblical Creationism seriously, and, now, are having a difficult time
taking the pompous traditionalist Darwinists seriously.
Oh my, pompous is it? What the hell is a "traditionalist Darwinist"
anyways. Just how many kinds of Darwinists are there? Was there a schism
and nobody told me? Perhaps I'm a Reformed Northern New Darwinist.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
Finally, one of you admitted it! DARWINISM IS A RELIGION!!!
Whoosh, right over your head.
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| User: "The Last Conformist" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Kansans polled on origin of life |
27 Jun 2005 01:16:02 PM |
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muldoon wrote:
AC wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 08:21:27 -0700,
muldoon <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
Trite? Hmm...
Here in England, and the rest of Europe for that matter, we find the
matter of creationism in the USA a joke - or would do if it were not
for the political influence exerted by its proponents.
You may think it trite, but that tells us more about you than about the
truth of what I write. The simple fact is that the better educated the
group you include in your survey, the less likely they are to believe
in the Biblical account of creation.
Do you have an alternative explanation for this phenomenon to levels of
education?
RF
The secret is that the really really smart people have never taken
Biblical Creationism seriously, and, now, are having a difficult time
taking the pompous traditionalist Darwinists seriously.
Oh my, pompous is it? What the hell is a "traditionalist Darwinist"
anyways. Just how many kinds of Darwinists are there? Was there a schism
and nobody told me? Perhaps I'm a Reformed Northern New Darwinist.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
Finally, one of you admitted it! DARWINISM IS A RELIGION!!!
*giggle*
If nothing else, you're funny.
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| User: "The Last Conformist" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Kansans polled on origin of life |
27 Jun 2005 01:03:46 PM |
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AC wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 08:21:27 -0700,
muldoon <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
Trite? Hmm...
Here in England, and the rest of Europe for that matter, we find the
matter of creationism in the USA a joke - or would do if it were not
for the political influence exerted by its proponents.
You may think it trite, but that tells us more about you than about the
truth of what I write. The simple fact is that the better educated the
group you include in your survey, the less likely they are to believe
in the Biblical account of creation.
Do you have an alternative explanation for this phenomenon to levels of
education?
RF
The secret is that the really really smart people have never taken
Biblical Creationism seriously, and, now, are having a difficult time
taking the pompous traditionalist Darwinists seriously.
Oh my, pompous is it? What the hell is a "traditionalist Darwinist"
anyways. Just how many kinds of Darwinists are there? Was there a schism
and nobody told me? Perhaps I'm a Reformed Northern New Darwinist.
Nah, you're a Reformed Northern Neo-Darwinist.
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Kansans polled on origin of life |
27 Jun 2005 01:21:22 PM |
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On 27 Jun 2005 11:03:46 -0700,
The Last Conformist <andreasj@gmail.com> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 08:21:27 -0700,
muldoon <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
muldoon wrote:
Richard Forrest wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:<snipped>
"There is a difference of opinion out there and it's not just in the
scientific community," said Abrams, who is leading the effort to introduce
more criticism of evolution into the science classroom.
There isn't a difference of opinion in the science community.
There may be a difference of opinion between sections of the general
public in Kansas, but I'd bet that the better-educated support the
findings of science, and the less well-education believe the lies of
the creationists.
<snipped>
The poll found:
That people in Kansas are uneducated.
People in the rest of the world are laughing at them.
<snipped>
"People in the rest of the world are laughing at _______" When I
get around to making a list of inane sayings, I have to remember to add
that one. So trite.
Trite? Hmm...
Here in England, and the rest of Europe for that matter, we find the
matter of creationism in the USA a joke - or would do if it were not
for the political influence exerted by its proponents.
You may think it trite, but that tells us more about you than about the
truth of what I write. The simple fact is that the better educated the
group you include in your survey, the less likely they are to believe
in the Biblical account of creation.
Do you have an alternative explanation for this phenomenon to levels of
education?
RF
The secret is that the really really smart people have never taken
Biblical Creationism seriously, and, now, are having a difficult time
taking the pompous traditionalist Darwinists seriously.
Oh my, pompous is it? What the hell is a "traditionalist Darwinist"
anyways. Just how many kinds of Darwinists are there? Was there a schism
and nobody told me? Perhaps I'm a Reformed Northern New Darwinist.
Nah, you're a Reformed Northern Neo-Darwinist.
Whew! Lucky me. Glad I'm not a New Reformed Northern Neo-Darwinist. I
here those guys are right ruddy bastards!
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "Dana Tweedy" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Kansans polled on origin of life |
27 Jun 2005 01:47:24 PM |
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"AC" <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:slrndc0gt7.9ud.mightymartianca@the.spanish.inquisition...
snipping
Oh my, pompous is it? What the hell is a "traditionalist Darwinist"
anyways. Just how many kinds of Darwinists are there? Was there a
schism
and nobody told me? Perhaps I'm a Reformed Northern New Darwinist.
Nah, you're a Reformed Northern Neo-Darwinist.
Whew! Lucky me. Glad I'm not a New Reformed Northern Neo-Darwinist. I
here those guys are right ruddy bastards!
Splitter!!!
DJT
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