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06 Feb 2004 02:09:41 AM |
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In the News: Many Christian schools teach Darwin's theory |
From the article:
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By BILL TORPY, PATTI GHEZZI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/06/04
Landmark Christian School's mission statement is clear: to teach
students that "God is the creator and sustainer of the universe and of
man."
The Fairburn school also teaches students the theory of evolution.
It's to prepare them for college, administrators say.
"When they get out they'll get eaten up if they say, 'I just believe
in creationism,' " said Rick Burslem, the school principal, who also
teaches Advanced Placement biology.
Burslem teaches evolution. "I teach it well," he said. "It would be
our failure if we did not teach evolution."
While Georgia educators, parents and politicians debate how evolution
should be taught in public schools, many Christian schools are
teaching the theory without controversy, saying their students'
success in science depends on it.
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Read it at
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0204/06privateskul.html
J. Spaceman
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08 Feb 2004 10:17:31 AM |
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And so upon Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:09:41 +0000 didst Jason Spaceman speak
thusly:
While Georgia educators, parents and politicians debate how evolution
should be taught in public schools, many Christian schools are
teaching the theory without controversy, saying their students'
success in science depends on it.
Interesting that backhand admission that creationism isn't science...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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07 Feb 2004 04:40:05 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> wrote in message news:<7ui620p93s3vmj2m50vnh3l7ji2dkfvvvv@4ax.com>...
From the article:
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By BILL TORPY, PATTI GHEZZI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/06/04
Landmark Christian School's mission statement is clear: to teach
students that "God is the creator and sustainer of the universe and of
man."
The Fairburn school also teaches students the theory of evolution.
It's to prepare them for college, administrators say.
(snip)
Jason, while this may be true in some Christian schools, my research
is telling me that the opposite trend is on the rise: that evolution
is being increasingly replaced by creation science, and in fact
formalized as a valid scientific theory.
I have not looked into the issue with Catholic schools, but since the
Pope has officially "ratified" evolutionary theory as compatible with
Catholic doctrine, there is no centralized, systematic attempt to
avoid and condemn evolution as we see in evangelical Christian
schools. Pope John Paul II made a speech to the Pontifical Academy of
Sciences on October 23, 1996 in which he addressed the subject of
evolution. He said:
"Today, more than a half century after this encyclical [Pius XII's
1950 encyclical Humani generis], new knowledge leads us to recognize
in the theory of evolution more than a hypothesis." --Pope John Paul
II"
He went on to clarify how evolution is the most widely accepted
scientific theory of human creation, and one which is compatible with
Catholic doctrine.
In evangelical and fundamentalist Christian schools, the story is very
different. Because of the resurgence in "literal" Biblical
interpretation (the fact that nobody can agree on many basic words in
the Bible is summarily ignored), a systematic effort is underway to
formalize creation science as the best "scientific" theory of human
origins.
For example, the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and
Schools (TRACS), which is certified by the U.S. Dept. of Education
(this is scary), and which in turn provides the accreditation for many
Christian Colleges, as well as the ICR Graduate School, actually
REQUIRES accredited schools to teach creation science in place of
evolutionary theory. Here's a quote I pulled from the TRACS member
charter a few months ago:
"1.1 The institution must have a Biblical Foundations Statement that
includes affirmations of tenets such as the following:
1.1.3 the inerrancy and historicity of the Bible;
1.1.4 the divine work of non-evolutionary creation including persons
in God 's image;"
The formalization of creation science as a replacement for
evolutionary theory in Christian college curriculums is increasing at
an alarming rate. I'm not sure what can be done, other than to write
to your Congressperson about revoking the certification of hokey
accreditation mills like TRACS.
Thanks for the article though...it's very interesting.
Cheers,
John
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08 Feb 2004 10:16:28 AM |
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And so upon Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:40:05 +0000 didst JWil speak thusly:
Jason, while this may be true in some Christian schools, my research
is telling me that the opposite trend is on the rise: that evolution
is being increasingly replaced by creation science, and in fact
formalized as a valid scientific theory.
No, wait, you're talking about *christian schools.
Okay, never mind.
(Though "valid scientific theory?" Even the creationists have never been
able to produce any actual theory)
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Feb 2004 10:15:06 AM |
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And so upon Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:40:05 +0000 didst JWil speak thusly:
Jason, while this may be true in some Christian schools, my research
is telling me that the opposite trend is on the rise: that evolution
is being increasingly replaced by creation science, and in fact
formalized as a valid scientific theory.
Not in the least.
That's some seriously defective "research" you got there...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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07 Feb 2004 07:35:20 AM |
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:40:05 +0000 (UTC), (JWil) wrote:
[...]
The formalization of creation science as a replacement for
evolutionary theory in Christian college curriculums is increasing at
an alarming rate. I'm not sure what can be done, other than to write
to your Congressperson about revoking the certification of hokey
accreditation mills like TRACS.
Or you can just wait for selection to run its course.
It'd be quicker . . .
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J. Pieret
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Creatures inveterately wrong in their inductions
have a pathetic, if praiseworthy, tendency to die
before reproducing their kind.
- Willard van Ormand Quine -
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11 Feb 2004 11:36:26 AM |
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:40:05 +0000 (UTC), (JWil),
Message ID: <26913c0b.0402070240.39317e8f@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> wrote in message news:<7ui620p93s3vmj2m50vnh3l7ji2dkfvvvv@4ax.com>...
From the article:
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By BILL TORPY, PATTI GHEZZI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/06/04
Landmark Christian School's mission statement is clear: to teach
students that "God is the creator and sustainer of the universe and of
man."
The Fairburn school also teaches students the theory of evolution.
It's to prepare them for college, administrators say.
(snip)
Jason, while this may be true in some Christian schools, my research
is telling me that the opposite trend is on the rise: that evolution
is being increasingly replaced by creation science, and in fact
formalized as a valid scientific theory.
Translation: I excreted my 'research.'
(snip common false witness)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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06 Feb 2004 11:46:48 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By BILL TORPY, PATTI GHEZZI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/06/04
Landmark Christian School's mission statement is clear: to teach
students that "God is the creator and sustainer of the universe and of
man."
The Fairburn school also teaches students the theory of evolution.
It's to prepare them for college, administrators say.
"When they get out they'll get eaten up if they say, 'I just believe
in creationism,' " said Rick Burslem, the school principal, who also
teaches Advanced Placement biology.
Burslem teaches evolution. "I teach it well," he said. "It would be
our failure if we did not teach evolution."
While Georgia educators, parents and politicians debate how evolution
should be taught in public schools, many Christian schools are
teaching the theory without controversy, saying their students'
success in science depends on it.
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Read it at
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0204/06privateskul.html
This is good to have in the public eye, but it's not *that* new. I
graduated from St. Lawrence Academy, a Catholic high school in Santa
Clara. There, I learned all about evolution by natural selection
according to Darwin's ideas in my science class, and all about the
Creation myth in our religion class.
Of course, it was a pretty progressive school. There was a convent
attached to it, but the nuns weren't the teachers (though sometimes they
subbed for the religion teachers). To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
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06 Feb 2004 05:32:47 PM |
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"Richard Crawford" <rscrawford.penguin@mossroot.remove_waterfowl.com> wrote
in message news:c00k0e$84r$1@woodrow.ucdavis.edu...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By BILL TORPY, PATTI GHEZZI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/06/04
Landmark Christian School's mission statement is clear: to teach
students that "God is the creator and sustainer of the universe and of
man."
The Fairburn school also teaches students the theory of evolution.
It's to prepare them for college, administrators say.
"When they get out they'll get eaten up if they say, 'I just believe
in creationism,' " said Rick Burslem, the school principal, who also
teaches Advanced Placement biology.
Burslem teaches evolution. "I teach it well," he said. "It would be
our failure if we did not teach evolution."
While Georgia educators, parents and politicians debate how evolution
should be taught in public schools, many Christian schools are
teaching the theory without controversy, saying their students'
success in science depends on it.
----------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0204/06privateskul.html
This is good to have in the public eye, but it's not *that* new. I
graduated from St. Lawrence Academy, a Catholic high school in Santa
Clara. There, I learned all about evolution by natural selection
according to Darwin's ideas in my science class, and all about the
Creation myth in our religion class.
Of course, it was a pretty progressive school. There was a convent
attached to it, but the nuns weren't the teachers (though sometimes they
subbed for the religion teachers).
So, is it true what they say about Catholic schoolgirls.
:-D
To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
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06 Feb 2004 05:36:59 PM |
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The Emperor's New Clayton wrote:
"Richard Crawford" <rscrawford.penguin@mossroot.remove_waterfowl.com> wrote
in message news:c00k0e$84r$1@woodrow.ucdavis.edu...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By BILL TORPY, PATTI GHEZZI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/06/04
Landmark Christian School's mission statement is clear: to teach
students that "God is the creator and sustainer of the universe and of
man."
The Fairburn school also teaches students the theory of evolution.
It's to prepare them for college, administrators say.
"When they get out they'll get eaten up if they say, 'I just believe
in creationism,' " said Rick Burslem, the school principal, who also
teaches Advanced Placement biology.
Burslem teaches evolution. "I teach it well," he said. "It would be
our failure if we did not teach evolution."
While Georgia educators, parents and politicians debate how evolution
should be taught in public schools, many Christian schools are
teaching the theory without controversy, saying their students'
success in science depends on it.
----------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0204/06privateskul.html
This is good to have in the public eye, but it's not *that* new. I
graduated from St. Lawrence Academy, a Catholic high school in Santa
Clara. There, I learned all about evolution by natural selection
according to Darwin's ideas in my science class, and all about the
Creation myth in our religion class.
Of course, it was a pretty progressive school. There was a convent
attached to it, but the nuns weren't the teachers (though sometimes they
subbed for the religion teachers).
So, is it true what they say about Catholic schoolgirls.
:-D
I was the guy who operated the VCR for the science fiction club. So how
would I know? ;-)
To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
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06 Feb 2004 07:15:56 PM |
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Richard Crawford <rscrawford.penguin@mossroot.remove_waterfowl.com>
wrote:
The Emperor's New Clayton wrote:
"Richard Crawford" <rscrawford.penguin@mossroot.remove_waterfowl.com> wrote
in message news:c00k0e$84r$1@woodrow.ucdavis.edu...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By BILL TORPY, PATTI GHEZZI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/06/04
Landmark Christian School's mission statement is clear: to teach
students that "God is the creator and sustainer of the universe and of
man."
The Fairburn school also teaches students the theory of evolution.
It's to prepare them for college, administrators say.
"When they get out they'll get eaten up if they say, 'I just believe
in creationism,' " said Rick Burslem, the school principal, who also
teaches Advanced Placement biology.
Burslem teaches evolution. "I teach it well," he said. "It would be
our failure if we did not teach evolution."
While Georgia educators, parents and politicians debate how evolution
should be taught in public schools, many Christian schools are
teaching the theory without controversy, saying their students'
success in science depends on it.
----------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0204/06privateskul.html
This is good to have in the public eye, but it's not *that* new. I
graduated from St. Lawrence Academy, a Catholic high school in Santa
Clara. There, I learned all about evolution by natural selection
according to Darwin's ideas in my science class, and all about the
Creation myth in our religion class.
Of course, it was a pretty progressive school. There was a convent
attached to it, but the nuns weren't the teachers (though sometimes they
subbed for the religion teachers).
So, is it true what they say about Catholic schoolgirls.
:-D
I was the guy who operated the VCR for the science fiction club. So how
would I know? ;-)
Didn't you listen to Zappa?
To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
Even Catholic communists would never have been allowed to teach at a
Catholic school in *my* day. Atheist conservatives, sure...
--
John Wilkins
wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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This is good to have in the public eye, but it's not *that* new. I
graduated from St. Lawrence Academy, a Catholic high school in Santa
Clara. There, I learned all about evolution by natural selection
according to Darwin's ideas in my science class, and all about the
Creation myth in our religion class.
Of course, it was a pretty progressive school. There was a convent
attached to it, but the nuns weren't the teachers (though sometimes they
subbed for the religion teachers). To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
I went to a Catholic school as well, and they tought evolution, albeit
not that well. My science teacher accepted evolution, but he wasn't to
knowledgeable about things like PE and genetic drift. Catholics have a
history of accepting evolution, ever sinse the Pope said they could.
What is more unusual is to here about a Protestant school teaching
about evolution for any other reason than that they need it for
college.
Tim Judge www.thetheisticevolutionpage.org
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06 Feb 2004 06:27:43 PM |
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wrote:
This is good to have in the public eye, but it's not *that* new. I
graduated from St. Lawrence Academy, a Catholic high school in Santa
Clara. There, I learned all about evolution by natural selection
according to Darwin's ideas in my science class, and all about the
Creation myth in our religion class.
Of course, it was a pretty progressive school. There was a convent
attached to it, but the nuns weren't the teachers (though sometimes they
subbed for the religion teachers). To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
I went to a Catholic school as well, and they tought evolution, albeit
not that well. My science teacher accepted evolution, but he wasn't to
knowledgeable about things like PE and genetic drift. Catholics have a
history of accepting evolution, ever sinse the Pope said they could.
What is more unusual is to here about a Protestant school teaching
about evolution for any other reason than that they need it for
college.
True. My little sister went to a Seventh Day Adventist school for a
little while, where she learned creation in her science class.
Fortunately my parents had the good sense to take her out of there and
put her into anoter Christian school that *did* teach evolution in
science classes.
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06 Feb 2004 05:34:18 PM |
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In <c00k0e$84r$1@woodrow.ucdavis.edu> Richard Crawford wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By BILL TORPY, PATTI GHEZZI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/06/04
Landmark Christian School's mission statement is clear: to teach
students that "God is the creator and sustainer of the universe and
of man." The Fairburn school also teaches students the theory of
evolution. It's to prepare them for college, administrators say.
"When they get out they'll get eaten up if they say, 'I just believe
in creationism,' " said Rick Burslem, the school principal, who also
teaches Advanced Placement biology.
Burslem teaches evolution. "I teach it well," he said. "It would be
our failure if we did not teach evolution."
While Georgia educators, parents and politicians debate how evolution
should be taught in public schools, many Christian schools are
teaching the theory without controversy, saying their students'
success in science depends on it.
----------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0204/06privateskul.html
This is good to have in the public eye, but it's not *that* new. I
graduated from St. Lawrence Academy, a Catholic high school in Santa
Clara. There, I learned all about evolution by natural selection
according to Darwin's ideas in my science class, and all about the
Creation myth in our religion class.
Of course, it was a pretty progressive school. There was a convent
attached to it, but the nuns weren't the teachers (though sometimes
they subbed for the religion teachers). To this day, I'm convinced
that one of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and
that my civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
It wouldn't surprise me... I graduated froma Catholic High School,
after 8 years of Catholic grammar school. We did have nuns as teachers,
but even when they taught science classes (I remember one nun teaching
biology), they taught SCIENCE, not religion. We learned evolutionary
theory in science classes, and Creation mythology in theology classes.
Our chaplain was a Jesuit- I have no idea where he stood on most issues,
since he would cheerfully take any position that needed a proponent, and
then take the opposite side next time. He really made you THINK about
your arguement.
Katrina
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:34:18 +0000 (UTC), Katrina Worley
<k_worley@yahoo.com>, Message ID:
<20040206153529405-0800@News.CIS.DFN.DE> wrote in alt.atheism;
In <c00k0e$84r$1@woodrow.ucdavis.edu> Richard Crawford wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By BILL TORPY, PATTI GHEZZI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/06/04
(snip)
Read it at
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0204/06privateskul.html
This is good to have in the public eye, but it's not *that* new. I
graduated from St. Lawrence Academy, a Catholic high school in Santa
Clara. There, I learned all about evolution by natural selection
according to Darwin's ideas in my science class, and all about the
Creation myth in our religion class.
Of course, it was a pretty progressive school. There was a convent
attached to it, but the nuns weren't the teachers (though sometimes
they subbed for the religion teachers). To this day, I'm convinced
that one of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and
that my civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
It wouldn't surprise me... I graduated froma Catholic High School,
after 8 years of Catholic grammar school. We did have nuns as teachers,
but even when they taught science classes (I remember one nun teaching
biology), they taught SCIENCE, not religion. We learned evolutionary
theory in science classes, and Creation mythology in theology classes.
Our chaplain was a Jesuit- I have no idea where he stood on most issues,
since he would cheerfully take any position that needed a proponent, and
then take the opposite side next time. He really made you THINK about
your arguement.
That's a good teacher!
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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Richard Crawford <rscrawford.penguin@mossroot.remove_waterfowl.com> wrote in message news:<c00k0e$84r$1@woodrow.ucdavis.edu>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By BILL TORPY, PATTI GHEZZI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/06/04
Landmark Christian School's mission statement is clear: to teach
students that "God is the creator and sustainer of the universe and of
man."
The Fairburn school also teaches students the theory of evolution.
It's to prepare them for college, administrators say.
"When they get out they'll get eaten up if they say, 'I just believe
in creationism,' " said Rick Burslem, the school principal, who also
teaches Advanced Placement biology.
Burslem teaches evolution. "I teach it well," he said. "It would be
our failure if we did not teach evolution."
While Georgia educators, parents and politicians debate how evolution
should be taught in public schools, many Christian schools are
teaching the theory without controversy, saying their students'
success in science depends on it.
----------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0204/06privateskul.html
This is good to have in the public eye, but it's not *that* new. I
graduated from St. Lawrence Academy, a Catholic high school in Santa
Clara. There, I learned all about evolution by natural selection
according to Darwin's ideas in my science class, and all about the
Creation myth in our religion class.
Of course, it was a pretty progressive school. There was a convent
attached to it, but the nuns weren't the teachers (though sometimes they
subbed for the religion teachers). To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
But you see, it was Catholic...NOT a Christian school... :-)
(Please note the sarcasm...)
Rodjk #613
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06 Feb 2004 08:12:25 PM |
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Richard Crawford wrote:
To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
One of the most militant Marxists I ever met was a Catholic priest in
the village of Bocana de Paiwas, Nicaragua, back in 1988, during the
Contra War.
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"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
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06 Feb 2004 09:10:28 PM |
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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote:
Richard Crawford wrote:
To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
One of the most militant Marxists I ever met was a Catholic priest in
the village of Bocana de Paiwas, Nicaragua, back in 1988, during the
Contra War.
Ah... Liberation Theology... heady days.
--
John Wilkins
wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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06 Feb 2004 09:36:39 PM |
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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank wrote:
Richard Crawford wrote:
To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
One of the most militant Marxists I ever met was a Catholic priest in
the village of Bocana de Paiwas, Nicaragua, back in 1988, during the
Contra War.
Have you read Salman Rushdi's book on his visit to Nicaragua about that
time? (Can't recall the title.) I'd be interested in your comments, if so.
--
Richard Uhrich
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"Ideology is easier, because you don't have to know anything or search
for anything. You always know the answer to everything. It's not
penetrable to facts." (Former U.S. Treasury Secretary O'Neil on
policymaking in the Bush administration)
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| User: "Richard Uhrich" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Many Christian schools teach Darwin's theory |
06 Feb 2004 09:44:17 PM |
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Richard Uhrich wrote:
"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank wrote:
Richard Crawford wrote:
To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
One of the most militant Marxists I ever met was a Catholic priest in
the village of Bocana de Paiwas, Nicaragua, back in 1988, during the
Contra War.
Have you read Salman Rushdi's book on his visit to Nicaragua about that
time? (Can't recall the title.) I'd be interested in your comments, if so.
"Jaguar's Smile"
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| User: "Tony Curtis" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Many Christian schools teach Darwin's theory |
06 Feb 2004 09:42:24 PM |
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:36:39 +0000 (UTC),
Richard Uhrich <uhrich@san.rr.com> said:
Have you read Salman Rushdi's book on his visit to Nicaragua
about that time? (Can't recall the title.) I'd be interested
in your comments, if so.
The Jaguar Smile: A Nicaraguan Journey
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| User: "Lizz Holmans" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Many Christian schools teach Darwin's theory |
06 Feb 2004 09:54:06 PM |
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 02:12:25 +0000 (UTC), "\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank"
<lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote:
Richard Crawford wrote:
To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
One of the most militant Marxists I ever met was a Catholic priest in
the village of Bocana de Paiwas, Nicaragua, back in 1988, during the
Contra War.
Yes, I remember our Monthly Meeting agreeing to house (legal or
illegal) refugee Nicaraguans/Salvadorans/Anyoneelsans who were fleeing
from all that USAn-supported nonsense in Central America. Trouble is,
no one wanted to stay in our Meeting house cos it was so awful (if
anyone thinks all churches are rich, check out some local Quaker
meeting houses. This one should have been condemned).
So we donated money instead. Worked with the Archdiocese of Oklahoma
City on the Boat People, too. Hey, had to be fair and cover both sides
of political oppression.
L:izz 'sheltering refugees since we quit being refugees' Holmans
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i feel as visible as a hyphen but not half as self assured--archy
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Many Christian schools teach Darwin's theory |
11 Feb 2004 11:38:24 AM |
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:54:06 +0000 (UTC), Lizz Holmans
<dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk>, Message ID:
<run8201oe01j8kvu4n6bdshah28rg1eb8e@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 02:12:25 +0000 (UTC), "\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank"
<lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote:
Richard Crawford wrote:
To this day, I'm convinced that one
of my English teachers was an atheist, another a Wiccan, and that my
civics teacher was a communist. ;-)
One of the most militant Marxists I ever met was a Catholic priest in
the village of Bocana de Paiwas, Nicaragua, back in 1988, during the
Contra War.
Yes, I remember our Monthly Meeting agreeing to house (legal or
illegal) refugee Nicaraguans/Salvadorans/Anyoneelsans who were fleeing
from all that USAn-supported nonsense in Central America. Trouble is,
no one wanted to stay in our Meeting house cos it was so awful (if
anyone thinks all churches are rich, check out some local Quaker
meeting houses. This one should have been condemned).
The first barracks I was in in Navy tech school *was* condemned. The
signs were all over the outside of the building. The barracks was full
of students.
(snip)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Many Christian schools teach Darwin's theory |
11 Feb 2004 11:33:36 AM |
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:09:41 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com>, Message ID:
<7ui620p93s3vmj2m50vnh3l7ji2dkfvvvv@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0204/06privateskul.html
Many Christian schools teach Darwin's theory
By BILL TORPY, PATTI GHEZZI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/06/04
Landmark Christian School's mission statement is clear: to teach
students that "God is the creator and sustainer of the universe and of
man."
The Fairburn school also teaches students the theory of evolution. It's
to prepare them for college, administrators say.
"When they get out they'll get eaten up if they say, 'I just believe in
creationism,' " said Rick Burslem, the school principal, who also
teaches Advanced Placement biology.
Burslem teaches evolution. "I teach it well," he said. "It would be our
failure if we did not teach evolution."
While Georgia educators, parents and politicians debate how evolution
should be taught in public schools, many Christian schools are teaching
the theory without controversy, saying their students' success in
science depends on it.
Michael Drake, head of the Georgia Independent School Association, said
evolution is a nonissue among association members, because the theory's
importance in the study of biology is universally recognized. Although
evolution may conflict with some families' religious beliefs, the
decision on how to reconcile that is best left to those families, he
said.
Georgia Superintendent of Schools Kathy Cox drew nationwide criticism
and ridicule for her proposal to replace "evolution" with "biological
changes over time" in the state's new education curriculum. She also
took out several passages related to the origins of life from teaching
standards set forth by the American Association for the Advancement of
Science.
On Thursday, Cox reversed her position and said she would recommend
restoring the word "evolution" in the science curriculum. But she did
not immediately say whether she would add the other standards related to
evolution.
Graduates of Landmark Christian School said they are glad they got
thorough instruction in the theory of evolution.
Danielle Taussig, a freshman biology major at the University of Georgia,
is leaning toward pre-med or a career in scientific research.
At the same time, she just doesn't believe evolution is true.
A Baptist, Taussig is a strict adherent to the biblical book of Genesis,
believing God created the Earth in seven days.
Evolution contradicts her personal beliefs, she said, but that hasn't
stopped her from learning it. "I can regurgitate the info, even though I
don't absorb it," she said.
"Studying evolution strengthened my belief in creationism," she said.
"My decision is not a blind decision."
Jenny Cone, a Landmark graduate who is a freshman at Vanderbilt
University, said learning about evolution is "imperative" in high
school.
"Teaching evolution allowed you to understand your opponent's side,"
said Cone, who grew up a Lutheran. She, like Taussig, scored a 4 out of
a possible 5 on the standardized AP biology exam. Most of her classmates
were creationists to varying degrees, she said.
Fayetteville dad Andy Killebrew has an 11-year-old daughter at Landmark
and a son, 14, in public school. "There is no incompatibility with God
creating the universe and there being a scientific theory with the
mechanism with how he chose to do so," Killebrew said.
"My children and I have talked about how you reconcile things, like 'God
did it in one day?' " said Killebrew, who suggests some things are just
mysteries.
"Some people have strongly held beliefs and think, 'If I give in on some
things, my whole world crumbles,' " he said. "I want my children to
learn about everything so they can make up their own minds."
The Westminster Schools, a Christian academy that sent about 20
graduates last year to Ivy League schools, teaches "the theory of
natural selection as the mechanism for evolution," said Andrea Allio,
chairwoman of the science department. "Members of the science department
understand the theory and accept it as the explanation for the diversity
and unity of life."
Private schools with religious missions do not have to be as careful as
public schools in dealing with students' questions about God and
creationism. Public school teachers often don't want to risk getting on
shaky legal ground.
Religion is a cornerstone of Marist School, an independent Catholic
school in Dunwoody. But religion mostly stays out of the science
classroom. "We don't teach creationism here; we leave that to the
religion department," said Tricia Glidewell, the science department
chairwoman and an AP biology teacher.
"We teach from a traditional mainstream textbook," she said. "Evolution
is one of those main themes that runs through [biology]. You can't teach
biology a day without referring to it."
John Cobis, principal of Our Lady of Mercy Catholic High School in
Fairburn, an Atlanta Archdiocese school, says the school teaches
evolution but also teaches that "God is the designer."
He noted that Pope John Paul II has said evolution is not incompatible
with the theology of the Catholic Church.
"I can be a good Catholic and be an evolutionary biologist," Cobis said.
"The integration of faith into science — they're not polar opposites."
© 2004 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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