Religions > Atheism > In the News: Many in Dover say 'intelligent design' mandate reflects values
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In the News: Many in Dover say 'intelligent design' mandate reflects values |
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and garden
center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step toward "bringing
God back into the school." He said it reflects the growing political power of
conservative Christians.
Although President Bush lost Pennsylvania to Democrat John Kerry, he drew strong
support from the state's vast central region and won York County, which
includes Dover, by a nearly 2-1 margin.
Farrell became a born-again Christian 3 1/2 years ago and said anyone who would
fight the intelligent-design mandate is "taking a stand against God."
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Read it at
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13470542&BRD=2212&PAG=461&dept_id=465812&rfi=6
or http://tinyurl.com/5k94g
J. Spaceman
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02 Dec 2004 04:14:26 PM |
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In article <oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com>, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> writes
Farrell became a born-again Christian 3 1/2 years ago and said anyone who would
fight the intelligent-design mandate is "taking a stand against God."
Would that be two commandments down?
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01 Dec 2004 06:37:52 PM |
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In our last episode <oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com>, Jason Spaceman
lept out of the bushes shouting:
He said it reflects the growing
political power of conservative Christians.
"Growing" in the sense of "declining."
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EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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02 Dec 2004 01:39:38 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and
garden center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step
toward "bringing God back into the school." He said it reflects the
growing political power of conservative Christians.
Although President Bush lost Pennsylvania to Democrat John Kerry, he
drew strong support from the state's vast central region and won York
County, which includes Dover, by a nearly 2-1 margin.
Farrell became a born-again Christian 3 1/2 years ago and said anyone
who would fight the intelligent-design mandate is "taking a stand
against God."
So let me get this straight....opposing laws requiring teachers to tell
lies to children is "taking a stand against God?" What religion is this
again? I'm confused. The only god I know that suborns such behaviour is
one that I exorcize, not worship.
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Dave Oldridge+
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| User: "Cyde Weys" |
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01 Dec 2004 07:08:42 PM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and
garden center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step
toward "bringing God back into the school." He said it reflects the
growing political power of conservative Christians.
What is wrong with these people? Do they have no concept of separation of
church and state? Why don't they realize that it is unfair to the non-
Christians in the schools to start teaching exclusively one religion? If
you want to learn about religion in school, either take Comparative
Religion or go to a private religious school. But don't force your beliefs
on everyone else.
Farrell became a born-again Christian 3 1/2 years ago and said anyone
who would fight the intelligent-design mandate is "taking a stand
against God."
Well I'm sorry that he feels that way, but he is simply wrong. There are
many Christians, even devout ones, who not only think it is wrong to bring
religion into school, but who also believe in evolution.
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| User: "Ken Shackleton" |
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01 Dec 2004 09:34:37 PM |
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"Cyde Weys" <cyde@umd.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns95B2CF6132AE2galopagosterrapincy@128.8.10.18...
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and
garden center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step
toward "bringing God back into the school." He said it reflects the
growing political power of conservative Christians.
What is wrong with these people? Do they have no concept of separation of
church and state? Why don't they realize that it is unfair to the non-
Christians in the schools to start teaching exclusively one religion? If
you want to learn about religion in school, either take Comparative
Religion or go to a private religious school. But don't force your
beliefs
on everyone else.
But they believe that it is their duty to force their religion on everyone
else...sorry....I mean show everyone else "The Truth of God's Word". The
fact that it is illegal is completely beside the point. God's Law trumps
man's law don't ya know....
They will continue to do as they do....I have had a Fundie say to me that
"If the founding fathers knew where this [separation of church and state]
would all lead....they never would have put it in the
constitution"....doesn't that seem like a good enough reason to break the
law? Well it's good enough for them because they are "righteous" and no
amount of "reason" will ever convince them otherwise.
You hope for reason from people who are not reasonable. We can only keep
beating on them until they go away.
Ken
Farrell became a born-again Christian 3 1/2 years ago and said anyone
who would fight the intelligent-design mandate is "taking a stand
against God."
Well I'm sorry that he feels that way, but he is simply wrong. There are
many Christians, even devout ones, who not only think it is wrong to bring
religion into school, but who also believe in evolution.
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~ Cyde Weys ~
Sing me that sweet headcrab elegy.
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| User: "Mike Dworetsky" |
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02 Dec 2004 03:15:02 AM |
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"Ken Shackleton" <ken.shackleton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:2gwrd.404030$nl.300608@pd7tw3no...
"Cyde Weys" <cyde@umd.edu> wrote in message
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and
garden center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step
toward "bringing God back into the school." He said it reflects the
growing political power of conservative Christians.
What is wrong with these people? Do they have no concept of separation
of
church and state? Why don't they realize that it is unfair to the non-
Christians in the schools to start teaching exclusively one religion?
If
you want to learn about religion in school, either take Comparative
Religion or go to a private religious school. But don't force your
beliefs
on everyone else.
But they believe that it is their duty to force their religion on everyone
else...sorry....I mean show everyone else "The Truth of God's Word". The
fact that it is illegal is completely beside the point. God's Law trumps
man's law don't ya know....
They will continue to do as they do....I have had a Fundie say to me that
"If the founding fathers knew where this [separation of church and state]
would all lead....they never would have put it in the
constitution"....doesn't that seem like a good enough reason to break the
law? Well it's good enough for them because they are "righteous" and no
amount of "reason" will ever convince them otherwise.
What?? It was precisely because so many American colonists were refugees
from official government religious persecution, that they were wary of an
official state religion, and mandated that the Government and the churches
were to be legally and constitutionally separate forever.
I'm absolutely convinced they would have done things exactly as they did, if
they had seen the situation today. The only thing that was different then
was that universal public education did not exist. But once it is provided
by the state, it has to adhere to all principles of the constitution.
You hope for reason from people who are not reasonable. We can only keep
beating on them until they go away.
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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| User: "Paul J Gans" |
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02 Dec 2004 12:29:41 PM |
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In talk.origins Ken Shackleton <ken.shackleton@shaw.ca> wrote:
"Cyde Weys" <cyde@umd.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns95B2CF6132AE2galopagosterrapincy@128.8.10.18...
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and
garden center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step
toward "bringing God back into the school." He said it reflects the
growing political power of conservative Christians.
What is wrong with these people? Do they have no concept of separation of
church and state? Why don't they realize that it is unfair to the non-
Christians in the schools to start teaching exclusively one religion? If
you want to learn about religion in school, either take Comparative
Religion or go to a private religious school. But don't force your
beliefs
on everyone else.
But they believe that it is their duty to force their religion on everyone
else...sorry....I mean show everyone else "The Truth of God's Word". The
fact that it is illegal is completely beside the point. God's Law trumps
man's law don't ya know....
They will continue to do as they do....I have had a Fundie say to me that
"If the founding fathers knew where this [separation of church and state]
would all lead....they never would have put it in the
constitution"....doesn't that seem like a good enough reason to break the
law? Well it's good enough for them because they are "righteous" and no
amount of "reason" will ever convince them otherwise.
You hope for reason from people who are not reasonable. We can only keep
beating on them until they go away.
Ken
They won't go away. They will only subside when the pain
becomes too great. That will take a fair amount of religious
opression here and will likely lead to a horrible civil war.
We no longer teach the history of the religious wars in
Europe. As a result we repeat the same errors.
As often happens in history, this sort of thing is in the
air right now. Islam is going through the same bit. Bin
Laden isn't really fighting the US and Europe because they
are his direct enemies. His real aim is the religous
reformation of Islam, starting with Saudi Arabia. Anyone
who helps his enemies is his enemy. But his first aim
is the restoration of the old time Islamic values, re-introducing
God into everyday Muslim life, and making sure that both the
schools and the government reflect proper religious values.
That last includes no naked breasts on TV and no bad words
broadcast on radio stations.
He's made this very clear in speech after speech.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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02 Dec 2004 07:58:08 PM |
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"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Ken Shackleton" <ken.shackleton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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"Cyde Weys" <cyde@umd.edu> wrote in message
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and
garden center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step
toward "bringing God back into the school." He said it reflects the
growing political power of conservative Christians.
What is wrong with these people? Do they have no concept of separation
of
church and state? Why don't they realize that it is unfair to the non-
Christians in the schools to start teaching exclusively one religion?
If
you want to learn about religion in school, either take Comparative
Religion or go to a private religious school. But don't force your
beliefs
on everyone else.
But they believe that it is their duty to force their religion on
everyone
else...sorry....I mean show everyone else "The Truth of God's Word". The
fact that it is illegal is completely beside the point. God's Law trumps
man's law don't ya know....
They will continue to do as they do....I have had a Fundie say to me that
"If the founding fathers knew where this [separation of church and state]
would all lead....they never would have put it in the
constitution"....doesn't that seem like a good enough reason to break the
law? Well it's good enough for them because they are "righteous" and no
amount of "reason" will ever convince them otherwise.
What?? It was precisely because so many American colonists were refugees
from official government religious persecution, that they were wary of an
official state religion, and mandated that the Government and the churches
were to be legally and constitutionally separate forever.
I'm absolutely convinced they would have done things exactly as they did,
if
they had seen the situation today. The only thing that was different then
was that universal public education did not exist. But once it is
provided
by the state, it has to adhere to all principles of the constitution.
Mike...I agree with you 100%...I was quoting a Fundie Creationist who sees
the separation of church and state as an impediment to his religion....they
only care about secular law until it conflicts with "God's Law" whatever
that may be....
Ken
You hope for reason from people who are not reasonable. We can only keep
beating on them until they go away.
--
Mike Dworetsky
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07 Dec 2004 09:31:59 AM |
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In article <Xns95B2CF6132AE2galopagosterrapincy@128.8.10.18>,
Cyde Weys <cyde@umd.edu> wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and
garden center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step
toward "bringing God back into the school." He said it reflects the
growing political power of conservative Christians.
What is wrong with these people? Do they have no concept of separation of
church and state? Why don't they realize that it is unfair to the non-
Christians in the schools to start teaching exclusively one religion? If
you want to learn about religion in school, either take Comparative
Religion or go to a private religious school. But don't force your beliefs
on everyone else.
I hate to contribute to shattering the innocence of youth, but:
What is wrong with these people?
Sorry, that may well fill volumes.
Do they have no concept of separation of church and state?
Yes. They consider it evil, and an opression of their rights by
the evil-leftist/feminist/liberalist/marxist/communist/evilutionist/
atheist/free trade/anti-free trade/one world/homosexual/hollywood/
east coast/west coast/elitist/trilateral comission/Rosicruician/
masonic/... conspiracy.
Why don't they realize that it is unfair to the non-Christians in
the schools to start teaching exclusively one religion?
They consider it their _duty_ to teach their version of Christianity
to everybody, under all circumstances. Any who are non-Christians
must be taught to be Christians. And, often ignored by all and sundry,
any who claim to be Christians, but disagree with the YECs, are not
actually Christians and are in even worse need of re-education.
If you want to learn about religion in school, either take Comparative
Religion or go to a private religious school. But don't force your beliefs
on everyone else.
But that would require things like tolerance, a notion that you
might not be right about everything, and a willingness to let others
go to hell in their own fashion. They're not willing to let you
damn yourself by letting you listen to that evilutionism in school.
They're going to save you in spite of yourself.
--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
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01 Dec 2004 07:12:58 PM |
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In our last episode <Xns95B2CF6132AE2galopagosterrapincy@128.8.10.18>,
Cyde Weys lept out of the bushes shouting:
Do they have no concept of separation of
church and state?
No.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
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01 Dec 2004 11:45:35 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:08:42 +0000 (UTC), Cyde Weys <cyde@umd.edu> said
in alt.atheism:
What is wrong with these people? Do they have no concept of separation of
church and state?
Of course they do. To them it means that the State can't favor any
religion but theirs.
Why don't they realize that it is unfair to the non-
Christians in the schools to start teaching exclusively one religion?
Because non-Christians aren't really people to them.
If you want to learn about religion in school, either take Comparative
Religion or go to a private religious school. But don't force your beliefs
on everyone else.
How else is Christianity to survive?
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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02 Dec 2004 04:26:41 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and garden
center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step toward "bringing
God back into the school." He said it reflects the growing political power of
conservative Christians.
Although President Bush lost Pennsylvania to Democrat John Kerry, he drew strong
support from the state's vast central region and won York County, which
includes Dover, by a nearly 2-1 margin.
Farrell became a born-again Christian 3 1/2 years ago and said anyone who would
fight the intelligent-design mandate is "taking a stand against God."
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Read it at
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13470542&BRD=2212&PAG=461&dept_id=465812&rfi=6
or http://tinyurl.com/5k94g
J. Spaceman
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science for superstition.
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
Read it at
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13470542&BRD=2212&PAG=461&dept_id=465812&rfi=6
or http://tinyurl.com/5k94g
Yup. Public schools are all about God and facts be damned.
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http://www.serv.net/~techbear
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the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary,
self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition
of tyranny." - James Madison, _The Federalist_, #47
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01 Dec 2004 06:45:35 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and garden
center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step toward "bringing
God back into the school." He said it reflects the growing political power of
conservative Christians.
The IDologists seem to be having trouble keeping their desciples on message
w.r.t. the claim that ID is a secular endeavor.
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Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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02 Dec 2004 03:39:59 PM |
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news:oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com by Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and
garden center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step
toward "bringing God back into the school."
[...]
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Read it at
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13470542&BRD=2212&PAG=461&dep
t_id=465812&rfi=6 or http://tinyurl.com/5k94g
Also from the article:
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Lentz, the shop owner, said although she understands the intelligent-
design mandate might not be embraced by everyone in the community, she
feels that the loudest complaints are coming from outside organization,
such as the ACLU.
"I wish that these outside groups would leave Dover alone," she said.
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What are those outsiders thinking, coming here and enforcing the US
Constitution here in Dover!?
--
Ferrous Patella (Homo gerardii)
T.A., Philosophy Lab
University of Ediacara
"Nature as God's "reality" show - what a concept!"
--A t.o. poster who wishes to remain anonymous
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02 Dec 2004 03:18:00 PM |
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news:oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com by Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and
garden center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step
toward "bringing God back into the school." He said it reflects the
growing political power of conservative Christians.
Although President Bush lost Pennsylvania to Democrat John Kerry, he
drew strong support from the state's vast central region and won York
County, which includes Dover, by a nearly 2-1 margin.
Farrell became a born-again Christian 3 1/2 years ago and said anyone
who would fight the intelligent-design mandate is "taking a stand
against God." --------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13470542&BRD=2212&PAG=461&dep
t_id=465812&rfi=6 or http://tinyurl.com/5k94g
The ACLU should thank this guy for making there job easier. Farrell should
know enough to keep his mouth shut. Do any lawyers out there know if this
kind of public opinion can be brought to bear in a case to overthrow the
ID teaching?
--
Ferrous Patella (Homo gerardii)
T.A., Philosophy Lab
University of Ediacara
"Nature as God's "reality" show - what a concept!"
--A t.o. poster who wishes to remain anonymous
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| User: "Robert Grumbine" |
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07 Dec 2004 09:24:23 AM |
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In article <Xns95B3899A1CA99mail125797popnet@199.45.49.11>,
Ferrous Patella <mail125797@pop.net> wrote:
news:oKKdnUUBA8tb_DPcRVn-iQ@rogers.com by Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Steve Farrell, a Dover High School alumnus who co-owns a nursery and
garden center with his brother, welcomes the change as a small step
toward "bringing God back into the school." He said it reflects the
growing political power of conservative Christians.
Although President Bush lost Pennsylvania to Democrat John Kerry, he
drew strong support from the state's vast central region and won York
County, which includes Dover, by a nearly 2-1 margin.
Farrell became a born-again Christian 3 1/2 years ago and said anyone
who would fight the intelligent-design mandate is "taking a stand
against God." --------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13470542&BRD=2212&PAG=461&dep
t_id=465812&rfi=6 or http://tinyurl.com/5k94g
The ACLU should thank this guy for making there job easier. Farrell should
know enough to keep his mouth shut. Do any lawyers out there know if this
kind of public opinion can be brought to bear in a case to overthrow the
ID teaching?
I'm not a lawyer, but I've started paying more attention to law and
how it is practiced.
My guess is, probably not. It seems generally to be the case that
the relevant state of mind, with respect to interpreting laws, is the
state of mind of the legislators, not the general public. If Farrell
were on the school board, then his statements about "bringing God
back into school" * would speak to the intent of the law being
religious. From the quote, though, it looks like he's just a townsfolk.
As such, his comment is about as relevant as a Raelian saying the same
thing w.r.t. his 'scientific' views.
The Lemon Test has three parts:
A law must have a secular purpose
It must have a primary effect which neither advances nor inhibits religion
It must avoid excessive entanglement of church and state.
As a non-legislator (and non-representative of church (?)), Farrell
can't speak to the purpose of the law (prong 1), and probably not to
entanglement (prong 3). Maybe it could be argued that his comments
reflect a primary effect of advancing religion (prong 2).
* I'm continually amazed by the people who talk of an omnipotent
God, yet who also talk about God being 'kept out' of ... well, anything.
God is wherever God chooses to be. And, as the old comment says,
anyone who thinks there's no prayer in schools has never been in
the room for a math test.
--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
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