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In the News: Ohio Board Undoes Stand on Evolution |
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By JODI RUDOREN
Published: February 15, 2006
COLUMBUS, Ohio, Feb. 14 — The Ohio Board of Education voted 11 to 4
Tuesday to toss out a mandate that 10th-grade biology classes include
critical analysis of evolution and an accompanying model lesson plan,
dealing the intelligent design movement its second serious defeat in
two months.
The board, which became the first in the nation to single out
evolution for special scrutiny under the academic standards it adopted
in 2002, stripped the language from the curriculum partly out of fear
of a lawsuit in the wake of a December ruling by a federal judge that
teaching intelligent design in the Dover, Pa., public schools was
unconstitutional.
While the Ohio lesson plan does not mention intelligent design, which
posits that life is too complex to be explained by evolution alone,
critics contend that the critical analysis language is simply design
in disguise.
"This lesson is bad news, the 'critically analyze' wording is bad
news," Martha W. Wise, the board member who offered the emergency
motion, told her colleagues during 90 minutes of contentious debate
here Tuesday afternoon. "It is deeply unfair to the children of this
state to mislead them about the nature of science."
Darwin's defenders celebrated the reversal as a sign of a backlash
against the inroads made last year by critics of evolution. But
leaders of the Discovery Institute, the intellectual home of
intelligent design, warned that Ohio's move would create a backlash of
its own.
"It's an outrageous slap in the face to the citizens of Ohio," said
John G. West, associate director of the Center for Science and Culture
at the institute, referring to several polls that show public support
for criticism of evolution in science classes.
"The effort to try to suppress ideas that you dislike, to use the
government to suppress ideas you dislike, has a failed history," Mr.
West said. "Do they really want to be on the side of the people who
didn't want to let John Scopes talk or who tried to censor Galileo?"
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By JODI RUDOREN
Published: February 15, 2006
COLUMBUS, Ohio, Feb. 14 — The Ohio Board of Education voted 11 to 4
Tuesday to toss out a mandate that 10th-grade biology classes include
critical analysis of evolution and an accompanying model lesson plan,
dealing the intelligent design movement its second serious defeat in
two months.
The board, which became the first in the nation to single out
evolution for special scrutiny under the academic standards it adopted
in 2002, stripped the language from the curriculum partly out of fear
of a lawsuit in the wake of a December ruling by a federal judge that
teaching intelligent design in the Dover, Pa., public schools was
unconstitutional.
While the Ohio lesson plan does not mention intelligent design, which
posits that life is too complex to be explained by evolution alone,
critics contend that the critical analysis language is simply design
in disguise.
"This lesson is bad news, the 'critically analyze' wording is bad
news," Martha W. Wise, the board member who offered the emergency
motion, told her colleagues during 90 minutes of contentious debate
here Tuesday afternoon. "It is deeply unfair to the children of this
state to mislead them about the nature of science."
Darwin's defenders celebrated the reversal as a sign of a backlash
against the inroads made last year by critics of evolution. But
leaders of the Discovery Institute, the intellectual home of
intelligent design, warned that Ohio's move would create a backlash of
its own.
"It's an outrageous slap in the face to the citizens of Ohio," said
John G. West, associate director of the Center for Science and Culture
at the institute, referring to several polls that show public support
for criticism of evolution in science classes.
"The effort to try to suppress ideas that you dislike, to use the
government to suppress ideas you dislike, has a failed history," Mr.
West said. "Do they really want to be on the side of the people who
didn't want to let John Scopes talk or who tried to censor Galileo?"
Ouch, the irony goes deep! The pro-creationist lobby wants to invoke
Galileo (and Scopes) as martys whom they claim as their own pin-up saints?
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16 Feb 2006 07:08:32 AM |
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Mike Dworetsky wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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By JODI RUDOREN
Published: February 15, 2006
COLUMBUS, Ohio, Feb. 14 - The Ohio Board of Education voted 11 to 4
Tuesday to toss out a mandate that 10th-grade biology classes include
critical analysis of evolution and an accompanying model lesson plan,
dealing the intelligent design movement its second serious defeat in
two months.
The board, which became the first in the nation to single out
evolution for special scrutiny under the academic standards it adopted
in 2002, stripped the language from the curriculum partly out of fear
of a lawsuit in the wake of a December ruling by a federal judge that
teaching intelligent design in the Dover, Pa., public schools was
unconstitutional.
While the Ohio lesson plan does not mention intelligent design, which
posits that life is too complex to be explained by evolution alone,
critics contend that the critical analysis language is simply design
in disguise.
"This lesson is bad news, the 'critically analyze' wording is bad
news," Martha W. Wise, the board member who offered the emergency
motion, told her colleagues during 90 minutes of contentious debate
here Tuesday afternoon. "It is deeply unfair to the children of this
state to mislead them about the nature of science."
Darwin's defenders celebrated the reversal as a sign of a backlash
against the inroads made last year by critics of evolution. But
leaders of the Discovery Institute, the intellectual home of
intelligent design, warned that Ohio's move would create a backlash of
its own.
"It's an outrageous slap in the face to the citizens of Ohio," said
John G. West, associate director of the Center for Science and Culture
at the institute, referring to several polls that show public support
for criticism of evolution in science classes.
"The effort to try to suppress ideas that you dislike, to use the
government to suppress ideas you dislike, has a failed history," Mr.
West said. "Do they really want to be on the side of the people who
didn't want to let John Scopes talk or who tried to censor Galileo?"
Ouch, the irony goes deep! The pro-creationist lobby wants to invoke
Galileo (and Scopes) as martys whom they claim as their own pin-up saints?
Kind of strange isn't it? The Kansas ID/creationist rubes first tried
to drop any mention of the science that they didn't like from the
science standards. People might recall that they dropped topics in
geology and physics if they conflicted with their YEC beliefs along
with biological evolution.
Scopes is the wrong person to bring up because it just shows what the
creationists are capable of. First they tried to ban biological
evolution. Then they cooked up a lame science scam with the misnomer
of creation science and tried to go for equal time. When that failed
they tried to hide their religious motivations behind ID. When the ID
scam artists had enough time to ponder ID they decided to dump it for
the "teach the controversy" scam that tried not to even mention that ID
had ever existed. Just try and find any mention of ID in the Ohio
model lesson plan. ID was relagated to being a smoke screen to make it
look like there was some legitimate reason to teach some controversy.
West was quoted as saying that the Discovery Institute had a "change of
direction" back in 1999. The problem was that they forgot to tell the
rubes that they had dumped ID as the primary scam and Kansas, Ohio and
Dover were the results. The Dover rubes were openly claiming that they
were going to teach the scientific theory of intelligent design, but
what did they end up with? West knows for a fact that if ID was all
the Discovery Instiute has tried to claim about it, that the ID scam
artists wouldn't have dumped it for the new scam. The new scam just
adds another layer of deception. The creationists still have the same
goals, they just have to layer another layer of lies over the scams.
The guys that reversed their votes know what they had to do and they
understand that what they did was bogus and dishonest. That is a no
brainer. West's claims are just pathetic, since he knows better than
most why the Discovery Institute made the change of direction back in
1999. ID isn't science and no matter what they claim the junk that
they had and have never amounted to anything worth talking about. This
is an organization that used to claim that ID was their business, now
what do they claim? This is the organization that wrote the Wedge
document before their "change of direction." It is pretty pathetic to
try and claim persecution when your own dishonest behavior has just
caught up with you.
Ron Okimoto
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15 Feb 2006 06:14:30 AM |
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On 2/15/06 4:22 AM, in article
dsurs6$q3t$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com, "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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By JODI RUDOREN
Published: February 15, 2006
COLUMBUS, Ohio, Feb. 14 — The Ohio Board of Education voted 11 to 4
Tuesday to toss out a mandate that 10th-grade biology classes include
critical analysis of evolution and an accompanying model lesson plan,
dealing the intelligent design movement its second serious defeat in
two months.
The board, which became the first in the nation to single out
evolution for special scrutiny under the academic standards it adopted
in 2002, stripped the language from the curriculum partly out of fear
of a lawsuit in the wake of a December ruling by a federal judge that
teaching intelligent design in the Dover, Pa., public schools was
unconstitutional.
While the Ohio lesson plan does not mention intelligent design, which
posits that life is too complex to be explained by evolution alone,
critics contend that the critical analysis language is simply design
in disguise.
"This lesson is bad news, the 'critically analyze' wording is bad
news," Martha W. Wise, the board member who offered the emergency
motion, told her colleagues during 90 minutes of contentious debate
here Tuesday afternoon. "It is deeply unfair to the children of this
state to mislead them about the nature of science."
Darwin's defenders celebrated the reversal as a sign of a backlash
against the inroads made last year by critics of evolution. But
leaders of the Discovery Institute, the intellectual home of
intelligent design, warned that Ohio's move would create a backlash of
its own.
"It's an outrageous slap in the face to the citizens of Ohio," said
John G. West, associate director of the Center for Science and Culture
at the institute, referring to several polls that show public support
for criticism of evolution in science classes.
"The effort to try to suppress ideas that you dislike, to use the
government to suppress ideas you dislike, has a failed history," Mr.
West said. "Do they really want to be on the side of the people who
didn't want to let John Scopes talk or who tried to censor Galileo?"
Ouch, the irony goes deep! The pro-creationist lobby wants to invoke
Galileo (and Scopes) as martys whom they claim as their own pin-up saints?
It is like every other bit of doublespeak they produce. To them, Evolution
is Religion (Bad), but Creationism (a Religion) is Science (Good). Science
is good but scientists (especially the vast majority who accept evolution)
are all evil conspirators trying to suppress the Truth of the Scripture
(which is Scientific).
They protest the teaching of evolution, wanting a fair and balanced approach
that will allow them to tell in the public schools with authority that it is
bunk and everyone who believes it might be running afoul of the Intelligent
Designer. Of course, if you teach against Creationism or ID you are not
being fair and balanced. "Fair" is only if they win.
They want a Moral Society, so they lie about their enemies. They want the
Ten Commandments put up in the Classroom. Nothing about the Beatitudes, mind
you. They want the Old Testament to become the Basis for Law. In preserving
all religious freedoms (including theirs especially), they want the freedom
to stone you for blasphemy.
Deep? Yep. Their speech is every bit as duplicitous as that of the pigs in
Orwell's _1984_.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
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15 Feb 2006 07:53:45 AM |
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Raymond Griffith wrote:
(snip)
They want a Moral Society, so they lie about their enemies. They want the
Ten Commandments put up in the Classroom. Nothing about the Beatitudes, mind
you.
Fundies avoid the Beatitudes like the plague. They are my favorite
part of the Bible, along with Psalms and Proverbs.
They want the Old Testament to become the Basis for Law. In preserving
all religious freedoms (including theirs especially), they want the freedom
to stone you for blasphemy.
Deep? Yep. Their speech is every bit as duplicitous as that of the pigs in
Orwell's _1984_.
_Uh, I think you mean _Animal Farm_.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
Eric Root
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15 Feb 2006 05:16:47 PM |
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On 2/15/06 8:53 AM, in article
1140011625.369532.63270@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "eroot@swva.net"
<eroot@swva.net> wrote:
Raymond Griffith wrote:
(snip)
They want a Moral Society, so they lie about their enemies. They want the
Ten Commandments put up in the Classroom. Nothing about the Beatitudes, mind
you.
Fundies avoid the Beatitudes like the plague. They are my favorite
part of the Bible, along with Psalms and Proverbs.
They want the Old Testament to become the Basis for Law. In preserving
all religious freedoms (including theirs especially), they want the freedom
to stone you for blasphemy.
Deep? Yep. Their speech is every bit as duplicitous as that of the pigs in
Orwell's _1984_.
_Uh, I think you mean _Animal Farm_.
Oops. Yup.
But I think the reason I got it mixed up is that there is the theme of
duplicitous speech in both books.
Thanks for the correction.
Raymond E. Griffith
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
Eric Root
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15 Feb 2006 10:02:28 AM |
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In <85m5v1pkv1gur0eadfr5ojr28j13c1n7kq@4ax.com>, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
"The effort to try to suppress ideas that you dislike, to use the
government to suppress ideas you dislike, has a failed history," Mr. West
said. "Do they really want to be on the side of the people who didn't want
to let John Scopes talk or who tried to censor Galileo?"
No. That's why they're fleeing *your side...
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15 Feb 2006 07:13:39 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By JODI RUDOREN
Published: February 15, 2006
COLUMBUS, Ohio, Feb. 14 - The Ohio Board of Education voted 11 to 4
Tuesday to toss out a mandate that 10th-grade biology classes include
critical analysis of evolution and an accompanying model lesson plan,
dealing the intelligent design movement its second serious defeat in
two months.
The board, which became the first in the nation to single out
evolution for special scrutiny under the academic standards it adopted
in 2002, stripped the language from the curriculum partly out of fear
of a lawsuit in the wake of a December ruling by a federal judge that
teaching intelligent design in the Dover, Pa., public schools was
unconstitutional.
While the Ohio lesson plan does not mention intelligent design, which
posits that life is too complex to be explained by evolution alone,
critics contend that the critical analysis language is simply design
in disguise.
"This lesson is bad news, the 'critically analyze' wording is bad
news," Martha W. Wise, the board member who offered the emergency
motion, told her colleagues during 90 minutes of contentious debate
here Tuesday afternoon. "It is deeply unfair to the children of this
state to mislead them about the nature of science."
Darwin's defenders celebrated the reversal as a sign of a backlash
against the inroads made last year by critics of evolution. But
leaders of the Discovery Institute, the intellectual home of
intelligent design, warned that Ohio's move would create a backlash of
its own.
"It's an outrageous slap in the face to the citizens of Ohio," said
John G. West, associate director of the Center for Science and Culture
at the institute, referring to several polls that show public support
for criticism of evolution in science classes.
So West surfaces again. His problem is that the members of the Ohio
board know that the Discovery Institute got caugth lying in Dover. The
ID scam was found to be just that, a scam. There should have been a
backlash in Ohio, but it should have happened in 2002 when Meyer and
Wells got caught lying to the board claiming that ID was science when
West admits that the Discovery Institute had a change of direction in
1999. Meyer reversed himself when confronted by the facts, but that
doesn't excuse what he tried to get away with. The backlash should
have been to run the ID proponents out of town on a rail, but instead
they took the next dishonest scam from the same guys that had just
tried to lie to their faces. The same rubes that had been claiming
that they were going to teach the scientific theory of ID the day
before, found themselves confronted by the fact that they had been
misled, but they still rallied and asked to be lied to some more.
This board knew that history. They knew what the original lesson plan
had in it. They knew that the creationists had tried to sneak
creationism into the lesson plan even though the new scam was not to
mention ID or creationism. They got caught with the creationist web
links and the dishonest junk they took out of they ID play book. Even
though the worst got cut out of the lesson plan the original more bogus
one was still submitted and would have shown up in court. They still
had the same goals they just had to be more dishonest about them when
they found out that ID was bogus.
No one knows how dishonest the ID/creationism scam was more than some
of the board members in Ohio. The only wonder is that some of them
decided to cut their losses before they were found to be just as
dishonest or incompetent in court as the rubes in Dover.
"The effort to try to suppress ideas that you dislike, to use the
government to suppress ideas you dislike, has a failed history," Mr.
West said. "Do they really want to be on the side of the people who
didn't want to let John Scopes talk or who tried to censor Galileo?"
Meyer admitted to the Ohio board that ID wasn't really science. It
turned out that when Meyer first told the board that ID was science, he
was only claiming that ID was science in his mind. After Meyer came
clean the board actually tried to change the definition of science so
that ID could still be taught. No lie. The Ohio board had enough on
the ball to know that ID wasn't science, so the comparison to Galileo
and Scopes is pretty pathetic. The board found out that they had been
scammed and what did they decide to do? They went with the Discovery
Institute's replacement scam. The same guys that had lied to them
about the ID scam. Look for any mention of ID/creationism in the model
lesson plan. The board knew that they still had the same goals, they
just hid them under another layer of deception. They knew what they
had done, and now that the Discovery Institute's name is mud, and the
teach the controversy scam obviously is being perpetrated by the same
scam artists that perpetrated the dishonest ID/creationist scam it was
a no brainer to cut and run.
Ron Okimoto
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15 Feb 2006 04:10:13 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:32:32 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
"It's an outrageous slap in the face to the citizens of Ohio," said
Ohio needs a bitchslapping when a majority of them believe in genesis.
John G. West, associate director of the Center for Science and Culture
Science AND culture? Objectivism and subjectivism under one roof?
Surely another not-so-covert creationism two-trick clown circus.
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15 Feb 2006 11:30:32 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:10:13 +0100, Rune B <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in
alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:32:32 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
"It's an outrageous slap in the face to the citizens of Ohio," said
Ohio needs a bitchslapping when a majority of them believe in genesis.
John G. West, associate director of the Center for Science and Culture
Science AND culture? Objectivism and subjectivism under one roof?
Surely another not-so-covert creationism two-trick clown circus.
Surely, it is.
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15 Feb 2006 01:52:30 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
"The effort to try to suppress ideas that you dislike, to use the
government to suppress ideas you dislike, has a failed history," Mr.
West said. "Do they really want to be on the side of the people who
didn't want to let John Scopes talk or who tried to censor Galileo?"
Oh, the ironity.
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Austin, Texas
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15 Feb 2006 02:19:17 AM |
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Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
"The effort to try to suppress ideas that you dislike, to use the
government to suppress ideas you dislike, has a failed history," Mr.
West said. "Do they really want to be on the side of the people who
didn't want to let John Scopes talk or who tried to censor Galileo?"
Oh, the ironity.
Irony hell. What kills me is the utter hypocrisy in what he says.
.. . . ironity? Heh, took me a second. :-)
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15 Feb 2006 03:45:59 AM |
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VoiceOfReason wrote:
Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
"The effort to try to suppress ideas that you dislike, to use the
government to suppress ideas you dislike, has a failed history," Mr.
West said. "Do they really want to be on the side of the people who
didn't want to let John Scopes talk or who tried to censor Galileo?"
Oh, the ironity.
Irony hell. What kills me is the utter hypocrisy in what he says.
Yup - interesting spin seeing as both accounts are of religious dogma
and ideology overriding scientific ideas.
Also I think 'censor' when it comes to Galileo isn't the most
appropriate term. Unless scientists being forced to recant scientific
ideas in favour of religious fundamentalism is next up on the religious
rights agenda .... oh ... wait ...
. . . ironity? Heh, took me a second. :-)
Amused me too
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15 Feb 2006 04:49:53 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:45:59 -0800, it was decided that Alexander should
write:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
. . . ironity? Heh, took me a second. :-)
Amused me too
I don't get it. Sorry. Me stupid foreigner not speaken good Englijs.
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15 Feb 2006 06:05:14 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:49:53 +0100, nmp <address@is.invalid> in news
message <pan.2006.02.15.10.49.48.967505@is.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:45:59 -0800, it was decided that Alexander should
write:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
. . . ironity? Heh, took me a second. :-)
Amused me too
I don't get it. Sorry. Me stupid foreigner not speaken good Englijs.
There is an iconic (at least in the US) radio recording by Herb
Morrison as he covered the docking of the airship "Hindenburg" at
Lakehurst Naval Base, where he is overcome with emotion as he watches
the explosion.
"It's burst into flames.... Get out of the way, please, oh my, this
is terrible...Oh, the humanity . . ."
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/vohind.htm
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
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15 Feb 2006 05:44:24 AM |
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nmp wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:45:59 -0800, it was decided that Alexander should
write:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
. . . ironity? Heh, took me a second. :-)
Amused me too
I don't get it. Sorry. Me stupid foreigner not speaken good Englijs.
Bobby is being desperately witty by replacing the commentary from the
Hindenburg disaster:
'Oh, the humanity'
... as it exploded into a huge fireball and substituting 'ironity' which
of course, isn't actually a word at all. It is however the kind of
semantic crash'n'burn exhibited by ID/YEC bods as they blunder
haplessly through these kinds of arguments.
I could be wrong of course and everyone is laughing at Bobby as he
can't spel propur wurds and stuff.
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| Title: Re: In the News: Ohio Board Undoes Stand on Evolution |
15 Feb 2006 06:06:24 PM |
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Alexander wrote:
nmp wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:45:59 -0800, it was decided that Alexander should
write:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
. . . ironity? Heh, took me a second. :-)
Amused me too
I don't get it. Sorry. Me stupid foreigner not speaken good Englijs.
Bobby is being desperately witty by replacing the commentary from the
Hindenburg disaster:
'Oh, the humanity'
... as it exploded into a huge fireball and substituting 'ironity' which
of course, isn't actually a word at all. It is however the kind of
semantic crash'n'burn exhibited by ID/YEC bods as they blunder
haplessly through these kinds of arguments.
I could be wrong of course and everyone is laughing at Bobby as he
can't spel propur wurds and stuff.
Nop. Thats how I red it tu.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Servum tui ero, ipse vespera
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| User: "Cardinal Chunder" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Ohio Board Undoes Stand on Evolution |
15 Feb 2006 02:19:14 PM |
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Alexander wrote:
nmp wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:45:59 -0800, it was decided that Alexander should
write:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
. . . ironity? Heh, took me a second. :-)
Amused me too
I don't get it. Sorry. Me stupid foreigner not speaken good Englijs.
Bobby is being desperately witty by replacing the commentary from the
Hindenburg disaster:
'Oh, the humanity'
... as it exploded into a huge fireball and substituting 'ironity' which
of course, isn't actually a word at all. It is however the kind of
semantic crash'n'burn exhibited by ID/YEC bods as they blunder
haplessly through these kinds of arguments.
I could be wrong of course and everyone is laughing at Bobby as he
can't spel propur wurds and stuff.
Or "Oh, the luminosity" as the Onion reported it.
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| User: "nmp" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Ohio Board Undoes Stand on Evolution |
15 Feb 2006 05:55:56 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:44:24 -0800, it was decided that Alexander should
write:
nmp wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:45:59 -0800, it was decided that Alexander
should write:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
. . . ironity? Heh, took me a second. :-)
Amused me too
I don't get it. Sorry. Me stupid foreigner not speaken good Englijs.
Bobby is being desperately witty by replacing the commentary from the
Hindenburg disaster:
'Oh, the humanity'
.. as it exploded into a huge fireball and substituting 'ironity' which
of course, isn't actually a word at all. It is however the kind of
semantic crash'n'burn exhibited by ID/YEC bods as they blunder haplessly
through these kinds of arguments.
I could be wrong of course and everyone is laughing at Bobby as he can't
spel propur wurds and stuff.
Thanks :)
Of course I knew about the burning of the Hindenburg, but actually not
about this little piece of commentary. And now that I search it on Google,
it turns out to be *quite* the cultural reference:
<http://www.google.com/search?q=%22oh+the+humanity%22>
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Ohio Board Undoes Stand on Evolution |
15 Feb 2006 05:50:46 AM |
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nmp wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:45:59 -0800, it was decided that Alexander should
write:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
. . . ironity? Heh, took me a second. :-)
Amused me too
I don't get it. Sorry. Me stupid foreigner not speaken good Englijs.
From the famous Hindenberg quote:
Oh, the humanity! ---> Oh, the ironity!
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| User: "coaster" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Ohio Board Undoes Stand on Evolution |
15 Feb 2006 10:33:41 AM |
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Students do not need a License from the school board to question
evolution, electricity, magnetism, gravity or any theory of science.
But we cannot single them out and say that it's okay for students and
teachers to offer alternative theories as part of the regular school
curriculum. These theories are written to the best of our collective
knowledge. To teach otherwise is, at the very least, arrogant. At the
very worst, detrimental to our children's futures.
If evolution is the design of God then perhaps Gravity is the hand of
God, Electricity might be the wrath of God, Magnetism the attraction of
God. That's right Billy.. positive and negative poles attract because
God imbues love in them and love attracts. That's right Billy, two
negative or two positive poles repel because God hates homosexuals. Oh
the parallels I could draw!!!!
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