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"Jason Spaceman" |
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16 Jan 2005 08:11:43 PM |
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In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
God created the world in six days, 6000 years ago. Evolution is wrong.
Soon these beliefs will be exhibited in a state-of-the-art,
multimillion-dollar museum that portrays and honours the beliefs of
creationists. It is called the Creation Museum.
Only in America, you might think. Yes, the first stage of the museum
is nearing completion in northern Kentucky. Yet the vision and drive
for the museum has come largely from an Australian, Ken Ham, a former
high school teacher from Brisbane. Ham is president of Answers in
Genesis, one of the largest evangelical congregations in the United
States.
He is also a warrior. "It's a war, it's a real battle between world
views," he says of the battle against secularism and for the hearts
and minds of Christians. He describes the Answers in Genesis ministry
as "a Christian apologetics ministry that equips the church to uphold
the authority of the Bible from the very first verse"
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Read it at
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Paul-Sheehan/Onward-the-new-Christian-soldier/2005/01/16/1105810774805.html?oneclick=true
or http://tinyurl.com/5legy
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Alan Jeffery" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
16 Jan 2005 08:45:18 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:8k7mu0hfe0fcp0fh7cteiq6huc4ml50tbg@4ax.com...
From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
God created the world in six days, 6000 years ago. Evolution is wrong.
Soon these beliefs will be exhibited in a state-of-the-art,
multimillion-dollar museum that portrays and honours the beliefs of
creationists. It is called the Creation Museum.
Only in America, you might think. Yes, the first stage of the museum
is nearing completion in northern Kentucky. Yet the vision and drive
for the museum has come largely from an Australian, Ken Ham, a former
high school teacher from Brisbane.
Ah, he's from Queensland. Well, that explains it.
Alan Jeffery
Ham is president of Answers in
Genesis, one of the largest evangelical congregations in the United
States.
He is also a warrior. "It's a war, it's a real battle between world
views," he says of the battle against secularism and for the hearts
and minds of Christians. He describes the Answers in Genesis ministry
as "a Christian apologetics ministry that equips the church to uphold
the authority of the Bible from the very first verse"
---------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Paul-Sheehan/Onward-the-new-Christian-soldier/200
5/01/16/1105810774805.html?oneclick=true
or http://tinyurl.com/5legy
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Claytibardfarst" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 04:51:09 PM |
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"Alan Jeffery" <observa_no_spam@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
God created the world in six days, 6000 years ago. Evolution is wrong.
Soon these beliefs will be exhibited in a state-of-the-art,
multimillion-dollar museum that portrays and honours the beliefs of
creationists. It is called the Creation Museum.
Only in America, you might think. Yes, the first stage of the museum
is nearing completion in northern Kentucky. Yet the vision and drive
for the museum has come largely from an Australian, Ken Ham, a former
high school teacher from Brisbane.
Ah, he's from Queensland. Well, that explains it.
Oy....there are some sane sunshine staters!!
Ham is a national embarrasment!!! Can you imagine what it would be like if
Fred Nile was over there waving the flag.
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| User: "shane" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 05:49:52 PM |
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Claytibardfarst wrote:
"Alan Jeffery" <observa_no_spam@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
God created the world in six days, 6000 years ago. Evolution is wrong.
Soon these beliefs will be exhibited in a state-of-the-art,
multimillion-dollar museum that portrays and honours the beliefs of
creationists. It is called the Creation Museum.
Only in America, you might think. Yes, the first stage of the museum
is nearing completion in northern Kentucky. Yet the vision and drive
for the museum has come largely from an Australian, Ken Ham, a former
high school teacher from Brisbane.
Ah, he's from Queensland. Well, that explains it.
Oy....there are some sane sunshine staters!!
Ham is a national embarrasment!!! Can you imagine what it would be like if
Fred Nile was over there waving the flag.
It would be great, we would be down two national embarrasments.
--
shane
The truth will set you free.
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| User: "Nantko Schanssema" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 01:01:42 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
I very much doubt that statement.
regards,
Nantko
--
The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike. (Delos McKown)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nantko/
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| User: "Claytibardfarst" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 04:53:57 PM |
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"Nantko Schanssema" <nantko@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
I very much doubt that statement.
Well...something like 25 million Americans think the moon landing was
faked...combine that with the results of the last election, it makes it a
whole lot more credible that Americans will believe the most ridiculous
things in vast numbers!
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 03:32:59 AM |
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TV's Nantko Schanssema wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
I very much doubt that statement.
You're not from the US are you?
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Nantko Schanssema" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 04:30:30 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>:
TV's Nantko Schanssema wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
I very much doubt that statement.
You're not from the US are you?
Indeed I'm not.
I don't think more than 100 million people believe the Bible is the
literal truth. A bit of rough mental arithmatic: this is very much an
American phenomenon. There's about 295 million Americans. Three
quarters of them are Christians, that's 220 million. Perhaps a third
of them have this silly belief, that's 75 million. Allow a few million
more for the rest of the world, and presto: 90 million, tops.
regards,
Nantko
--
The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike. (Delos McKown)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nantko/
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| User: "Claytibardfarst" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 04:56:25 PM |
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"Nantko Schanssema" <nantko@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>:
TV's Nantko Schanssema wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
I very much doubt that statement.
You're not from the US are you?
Indeed I'm not.
I don't think more than 100 million people believe the Bible is the
literal truth. A bit of rough mental arithmatic: this is very much an
American phenomenon. There's about 295 million Americans. Three
quarters of them are Christians, that's 220 million. Perhaps a third
of them have this silly belief, that's 75 million. Allow a few million
more for the rest of the world, and presto: 90 million, tops.
Don't forget in African countries there are tens of millions of Christians,
most of them literalists! Add Europe, Asian, Australia and the
pacific...that's a lot of fundaMENTALists!
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 09:08:04 AM |
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I would think there are more than that. There are well over a billion
christians in the world. I am sure that many of them, in South and
Central America, Africa, far-east etc. if asked, may answer: "yes I
believe the bible is literally true". But I think the difference is
probably that many of them have not read the bible end-to-end, and for
many of them this statement of faith doesn't interfere with the
practical activities of daily life. i.e. they are not nutso 7th day
adventist or whatever you have it, in the states.
I don't think what someone may say off the cuff on an abstract matter,
and only when asked, is as important as how they interact with the real
world, who they vote for etc.
David
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| User: "Nantko Schanssema" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 09:28:04 AM |
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"David" <davidmdalle@yahoo.com>:
I would think there are more than that. There are well over a billion
christians in the world.
There are indeed. More than half of them are Roman Catholics. That
church dismisses biblical literalism. Catholics rarely read the bible.
Most protestants outside the US live in Europe, where biblical
literalists form a very small, if loud, minority.
I am sure that many of them, in South and
Central America, Africa, far-east etc. if asked, may answer: "yes I
believe the bible is literally true". But I think the difference is
probably that many of them have not read the bible end-to-end, and for
many of them this statement of faith doesn't interfere with the
practical activities of daily life. i.e. they are not nutso 7th day
adventist or whatever you have it, in the states.
I don't think what someone may say off the cuff on an abstract matter,
and only when asked, is as important as how they interact with the real
world, who they vote for etc.
Exactly. ISTM that biblical literalism as known in the US is more a
political movement than a religious one, and very few christians
outside the US buy it.
regards,
Nantko
--
The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike. (Delos McKown)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nantko/
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| User: "Alan Jeffery" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 02:35:07 PM |
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"Nantko Schanssema" <nantko@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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"David" <davidmdalle@yahoo.com>:
I would think there are more than that. There are well over a billion
christians in the world.
There are indeed. More than half of them are Roman Catholics. That
church dismisses biblical literalism. Catholics rarely read the bible.
Most protestants outside the US live in Europe, where biblical
literalists form a very small, if loud, minority.
I am sure that many of them, in South and
Central America, Africa, far-east etc. if asked, may answer: "yes I
believe the bible is literally true". But I think the difference is
probably that many of them have not read the bible end-to-end, and for
many of them this statement of faith doesn't interfere with the
practical activities of daily life. i.e. they are not nutso 7th day
adventist or whatever you have it, in the states.
I don't think what someone may say off the cuff on an abstract matter,
and only when asked, is as important as how they interact with the real
world, who they vote for etc.
Exactly. ISTM that biblical literalism as known in the US is more a
political movement than a religious one, and very few christians
outside the US buy it.
I think you are failing to realise that christianity in Africa is _very_
conservative. And that most people being converted there are evangelicals.
100 mill, easily.
Alan Jeffery
regards,
Nantko
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The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike. (Delos McKown)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nantko/
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 09:36:14 AM |
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Nantko Schanssema <nantko@xs4all.nl> wrote in
news:qc4nu05oem5e3p31kkt31eitq4ebg5qqg3@4ax.com:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>:
TV's Nantko Schanssema wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal
truth.
I very much doubt that statement.
You're not from the US are you?
Indeed I'm not.
I don't think more than 100 million people believe the Bible is the
literal truth. A bit of rough mental arithmatic: this is very much an
American phenomenon. There's about 295 million Americans. Three
quarters of them are Christians, that's 220 million. Perhaps a third
of them have this silly belief, that's 75 million. Allow a few million
more for the rest of the world, and presto: 90 million, tops.
regards,
Nantko
You would do well to think of all the evangelicals and pentacostals in
Africa and South America, respectively. While biblical literalism is not
a huge part of their belief system, if asked, I bet they would take the
literalist position.
Chris
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
17 Jan 2005 01:12:23 PM |
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TV's Nantko Schanssema wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>:
TV's Nantko Schanssema wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>:
From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
I very much doubt that statement.
You're not from the US are you?
Indeed I'm not.
There might just be 100 million biblical literalists here alone.
I don't think more than 100 million people believe the Bible is the
literal truth. A bit of rough mental arithmatic: this is very much an
American phenomenon. There's about 295 million Americans. Three
quarters of them are Christians, that's 220 million. Perhaps a third
of them have this silly belief, that's 75 million. Allow a few million
more for the rest of the world, and presto: 90 million, tops.
You're much more optimistic than I am.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
16 Jan 2005 08:41:58 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:11:43 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
God created the world in six days, 6000 years ago. Evolution is wrong.
Soon these beliefs will be exhibited in a state-of-the-art,
multimillion-dollar museum that portrays and honours the beliefs of
creationists. It is called the Creation Museum.
Only in America, you might think. Yes, the first stage of the museum
is nearing completion in northern Kentucky. Yet the vision and drive
for the museum has come largely from an Australian, Ken Ham, a former
high school teacher from Brisbane. Ham is president of Answers in
Genesis, one of the largest evangelical congregations in the United
States.
he went where the money is.
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| User: "Harlequin" |
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16 Jan 2005 09:40:03 PM |
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(Bob) wrote in news:41eb25e4.11606610@usenet.ptd.net:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:11:43 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Hundreds of millions of people believe the Bible is the literal truth.
God created the world in six days, 6000 years ago. Evolution is wrong.
Soon these beliefs will be exhibited in a state-of-the-art,
multimillion-dollar museum that portrays and honours the beliefs of
creationists. It is called the Creation Museum.
Only in America, you might think. Yes, the first stage of the museum
is nearing completion in northern Kentucky. Yet the vision and drive
for the museum has come largely from an Australian, Ken Ham, a former
high school teacher from Brisbane. Ham is president of Answers in
Genesis, one of the largest evangelical congregations in the United
States.
he went where the money is.
I would be very careful with such a charge. I am sure some
YEC are in it for the money, but most probably are not.
While he is arguably overpaid for a non-profit of AiG's size,
I have little doubt he could make more money in the commercial
sector. While he might not be skilled at science, he is skilled
in things which are in demand: leading groups of people,
marketing (which is what creationism largely is), speaking, etc.
--
Anti-spam: replace "usenet@sdc." with "harlequin2@"
"Creationists don't want equal time. They want all the time there is."
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Onward the new Christian soldier |
16 Jan 2005 10:10:42 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:40:03 GMT, Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net>
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wf3h@ptd.net (Bob) wrote in news:41eb25e4.11606610@usenet.ptd.net:
Only in America, you might think. Yes, the first stage of the museum
is nearing completion in northern Kentucky. Yet the vision and drive
for the museum has come largely from an Australian, Ken Ham, a former
high school teacher from Brisbane. Ham is president of Answers in
Genesis, one of the largest evangelical congregations in the United
States.
he went where the money is.
I would be very careful with such a charge. I am sure some
YEC are in it for the money, but most probably are not.
i think they have a variety of motives. but when you look at how good
the creation research institute has been to tim lahaye, along with his
'end of times' books, the coral ridge ministries and d. james kennedy,
jerry falwell, etc., there's lotsa bux in those creationist myths.
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