Religions > Atheism > In the News: Raelians want to establish ET embassy in Jerusalem
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19 Nov 2005 07:24:20 AM |
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In the News: Raelians want to establish ET embassy in Jerusalem |
From the article:
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Amelia Thomas
Middle East Times
November 18, 2005
TEL AVIV, Israel -- On November 8, the Israeli daily newspaper
Yedioth Ahronoth published a report on the 40th anniversary of SETI,
the institute whose stated purpose is to "explore, understand and
explain the origin, nature and prevalence of life in the universe".
While participating in a conference celebrating SETI and its search
for 'intelligent life beyond our own planet', Professor Sergei Yazeb
of the Academy of Sciences in Russia, where the conference was held,
put forward a startling proposal.
In a report distributed to all conference participants, Yazeb detailed
six attributes of our solar system that distinguish it from all other
discovered solar systems.
"Today, according to the knowledge we have," concluded Dr. Yazeb, "we
don't have any other explanation of the founding of the solar system,
other than by the intervention of a superior civilization".
Meanwhile, in a quiet Tel Aviv coffee shop, Israeli Kobi Drori, a
guide for the Raelian movement within Israel, sips hot chocolate while
calmly describing much the same thing.
"We're talking," he says, "of the third hypothesis on how life was
created on Earth. The first is by an Almighty God; the second is the
theory of evolution."
The third, according to the 60,000-strong Raelian movement, is that
life on Earth was created by scientists belonging to a superior, alien
civilization, who created man "in their own likeness".
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Read it at
http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20051118-115819-4166r
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Dylan" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Raelians want to establish ET embassy in Jerusalem |
19 Nov 2005 11:38:49 AM |
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Intelligent design theory (IDT) actually encompasses two of the three.
IDT says some aspects of life on earth are too complex to be adequately
explained by evolution theory. But it claims (speciously, as the Dover
trial proved) not to explain its own "inferrence," falsely so called.
The reason is obvious: if IDT "inferred" that the designer was the God
of the three major theistic religions (Judaism, Christianity and
Islam), then the evilooshunists could successfully point out in every
trial (e.g., Dover) where the issue is being adjudicated, that IDT is
indeed "creationism in a cheap tux".
So IDT is stuck in a dilemma: it must logically allow four
possibilities for the identity of the agency of design observed (e.g.,
blood-clotting cascade or flagellum). These four possibilities are:
1. A singular supernatural designer. This is the only possibility that
has religio-political support sufficient to drive the movement with
money, votes and powerful offices (such as the seat that would have
been occupied by ID supporter Harriet Miers who President Bush
nominated to be a justice of the Supreme Court).
2. A plural supernatural designer. This possibility would putatively be
acceptable to major polytheistic religious groups such as the Hindus.
3. A singular non-supernatural designer. Imagine a superbeing who is
not supernatural, but is able to manipulate -- not violate! --
the laws of nature in such a way as to create (abiogenerate) life on
earth and to invisibly assist in its evolution and speciation. We can
detect this non-supernatural superbeing's work in nature ("see the
elephant's tracks") without ever being able to detect the
non-supernatural superbeing (the "elephant").
4. A plural non-supernatural designer. Example: the "superior
civilization" "inferred" by Professor Dr. Sergei Yazeb in the opening
post of this thread. This is the "galactic" or even "metagalactic"
civilization envisioned by the "60,000-strong Raelian movement"
referred to above.
Conclusion: ID proponents are stuck with the Raelians, who I believe to
be nothing more than "UFOism in a cheap tux."
Action step: If we evilooshunists can successfully attach Raelianism to
the ID movement, "pin the tail on the donkey," so to speak, then --
maybe, just maybe -- its
fundamentalist-evangelicalist-traditionalist support could be
embarrassed and subjected to ridicule (such as flows from the acid pens
of the likes of George Will and Krauthammer).
Maybe, just maybe, IDT could then be laughed out of the court of public
opinion and its religio-political support seriously eroded.
Dylan, a pro-evolution creationist
Uncommon sense trumps common sense every time.
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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19 Nov 2005 11:26:20 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> suddenly
spluttered:
From the article:
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Amelia Thomas
Middle East Times
November 18, 2005
TEL AVIV, Israel -- On November 8, the Israeli daily newspaper
Yedioth Ahronoth published a report on the 40th anniversary of SETI,
the institute whose stated purpose is to "explore, understand and
explain the origin, nature and prevalence of life in the universe".
While participating in a conference celebrating SETI and its search
for 'intelligent life beyond our own planet', Professor Sergei Yazeb
of the Academy of Sciences in Russia, where the conference was held,
put forward a startling proposal.
In a report distributed to all conference participants, Yazeb detailed
six attributes of our solar system that distinguish it from all other
discovered solar systems.
"Today, according to the knowledge we have," concluded Dr. Yazeb, "we
don't have any other explanation of the founding of the solar system,
other than by the intervention of a superior civilization".
Meanwhile, in a quiet Tel Aviv coffee shop, Israeli Kobi Drori, a
guide for the Raelian movement within Israel, sips hot chocolate while
calmly describing much the same thing.
"We're talking," he says, "of the third hypothesis on how life was
created on Earth. The first is by an Almighty God; the second is the
theory of evolution."
The third, according to the 60,000-strong Raelian movement, is that
life on Earth was created by scientists belonging to a superior, alien
civilization, who created man "in their own likeness".
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20051118-115819-4166r
J. Spaceman
Bloody hell. And it's all Roger Daltrey's fault:
http://www.lyricsdomain.com/20/the_who/rael.html
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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