Religions > Atheism > In the News: Russian scientists certain of the existence of God
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In the News: Russian scientists certain of the existence of God |
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax – The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
‘There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge’, he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
The scientist noted that in the past centuries very many physicists
believed in God. Moreover, until Isaac Newton, there was no separation
between science and religion; science was practiced by clergy as they
were the most educated people. Newton himself studied theology and
used to repeat: ‘I deduce laws of mechanics from laws of God’.
When scientists invented the microscope 300 years ago and began
studying what happens within the cell, the duplication and
segmentation of chromosomes overwhelmed them: ‘How this can be without
Providence?!’
‘Indeed’, Akimov added’ ‘if man had appeared on the Earth as a result
of evolution, then, considering the frequency of mutations and the
speed of biochemical processes, more time would have been required to
develop man from elementary cells then the age of the Universe
itself’.
Besides, he continued, calculations have been made to show that the
number of quantum elements in the observed Universe cannot be fewer
than 10155 and it cannot but possess a superintellect.
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Read it at http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=2107
Also see 'Russian "Torsion Field" Exponent Embraces Intelligent
Design' at http://blogs.salon.com/0003494/2006/10/06.html
J. Spaceman
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07 Oct 2006 02:08:50 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax - The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
'There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge', he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
'Certain knowledge'? In what form did it manifest itself? From a combination
of a couple extra-large bottles of Stolychnaya and a copy of the Bible?
Greywolf
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07 Oct 2006 09:23:09 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:08:50 -0400, Greywolf <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:lkiei2pmidbp9s9e6s07gjfckajk1d3iqe@4ax.com...
From the article:
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax - The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
'There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge', he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
'Certain knowledge'? In what form did it manifest itself? From a
combination
of a couple extra-large bottles of Stolychnaya and a copy of the Bible?
Greywolf
Oooh now I know what the movie "The Bear" was really about!
The Bear is a well known symbol of the Soviet Union and Russia,
It was a
cute movie
except
1. Bears on acid I thought? Lemme at some of those mushrooms. I
think those mushrooms are called mukhomory, the ones like we
used to clip on the xmas tree. red w white dots. Ma probably saved
these, I'd like to drop some mushrooms when I
come home next just like a good Russian bear.
2. Also, i just hate those horrible anthropomorphic sounds
they add on to animals movie soundtracks. Good golly. I
don't think bears say MFFmffphph when they are climbing on
rocks or logs.
all in all tho if you haven't seen it yet, it is worth
seeing, because now you will know how to access God, apparently
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08 Oct 2006 01:22:02 AM |
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"marika" <mcenko@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:08:50 -0400, Greywolf <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:lkiei2pmidbp9s9e6s07gjfckajk1d3iqe@4ax.com...
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax - The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
'There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge', he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
'Certain knowledge'? In what form did it manifest itself? From a
combination
of a couple extra-large bottles of Stolychnaya and a copy of the Bible?
Greywolf
Oooh now I know what the movie "The Bear" was really about!
The Bear is a well known symbol of the Soviet Union and Russia,
It was a
cute movie
except
1. Bears on acid I thought? Lemme at some of those mushrooms. I
think those mushrooms are called mukhomory, the ones like we
used to clip on the xmas tree. red w white dots. Ma probably saved
these, I'd like to drop some mushrooms when I
come home next just like a good Russian bear.
2. Also, i just hate those horrible anthropomorphic sounds
they add on to animals movie soundtracks. Good golly. I
don't think bears say MFFmffphph when they are climbing on
rocks or logs.
all in all tho if you haven't seen it yet, it is worth
seeing, because now you will know how to access God, apparently
I've heard of the movie but haven't seen it. I'll make a mental note to
check it out when I come across it on the television.
Thanks.
Greywolf
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| User: "Rahul D." |
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08 Oct 2006 10:00:18 AM |
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'Indeed', Akimov added' 'if man had appeared on the Earth as a result
of evolution, then, considering the frequency of mutations and the
speed of biochemical processes, more time would have been required to
develop man from elementary cells then the age of the Universe
itself'.
Besides, he continued, calculations have been made to show that the
number of quantum elements in the observed Universe cannot be fewer
than 10155 and it cannot but possess a superintellect.
This is the closest he gets to evidence, amid all the blah blah of
opinion and certainty.
I wonder on what he bases all this, since we have a fossil history
showing evoltuion in action (and we see it today too). The fossils
confirm man evolved from "elementary cells".
I don't get the last statement, could someone clarify it for me,
please?
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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08 Oct 2006 07:48:06 PM |
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In article <1160301617.959064.40140@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Rahul D." <rahuldandekar2000@gmail.com> wrote:
'Indeed', Akimov added' 'if man had appeared on the Earth as a result
of evolution, then, considering the frequency of mutations and the
speed of biochemical processes, more time would have been required to
develop man from elementary cells then the age of the Universe
itself'.
Besides, he continued, calculations have been made to show that the
number of quantum elements in the observed Universe cannot be fewer
than 10155 and it cannot but possess a superintellect.
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Could you clarify a bit?
1. What is a quantum element? Is that like hydrogen?
2. Do you mean 10,155 or perhaps 10^155?
3. Do you know the difference?
earle
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| User: "Ernest Major" |
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08 Oct 2006 12:08:15 PM |
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In message <1160301617.959064.40140@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, Rahul
D. <rahuldandekar2000@gmail.com> writes
'Indeed', Akimov added' 'if man had appeared on the Earth as a result
of evolution, then, considering the frequency of mutations and the
speed of biochemical processes, more time would have been required to
develop man from elementary cells then the age of the Universe
itself'.
Besides, he continued, calculations have been made to show that the
number of quantum elements in the observed Universe cannot be fewer
than 10155 and it cannot but possess a superintellect.
This is the closest he gets to evidence, amid all the blah blah of
opinion and certainty.
I wonder on what he bases all this, since we have a fossil history
showing evoltuion in action (and we see it today too). The fossils
confirm man evolved from "elementary cells".
I don't get the last statement, could someone clarify it for me,
please?
"10155" probably represents 10^155. "quantum elements" might be a bad
translation, but what it should mean is unclear. Googling found me
figures of 10^80 for the number of baryons, and while the number of
neutrinos and photons may dwarf the number of baryons, but they don't
get anywhere near the 10^75 gap, so it's not an error for elementary
particles. At a guess it's a number of quantum states, and he's engaging
in an improbability/fine-tuning argument.
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alias Ernest Major
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| User: "Rahul D." |
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08 Oct 2006 12:22:18 PM |
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"10155" probably represents 10^155. "quantum elements" might be a bad
translation, but what it should mean is unclear. Googling found me
figures of 10^80 for the number of baryons, and while the number of
neutrinos and photons may dwarf the number of baryons, but they don't
get anywhere near the 10^75 gap, so it's not an error for elementary
particles. At a guess it's a number of quantum states, and he's engaging
in an improbability/fine-tuning argument.
--
alias Ernest Major
How is this related to the probablity of humans evolving? I'd
(naively) think that if the number of probable states is more, life
will have more possiblity of evolving somewhere.
And, if the number of states is 10^155 (You are right, it's most
probably not 10,115), what does that have to do with God? How do we get
from 'There are 10^155 possible quantum states' to 'A superhuman entity
exists'?
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08 Oct 2006 12:27:27 PM |
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"Rahul D." <rahuldandekar2000@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160310138.645883.96770@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"10155" probably represents 10^155. "quantum elements" might be a bad
translation, but what it should mean is unclear. Googling found me
figures of 10^80 for the number of baryons, and while the number of
neutrinos and photons may dwarf the number of baryons, but they don't
get anywhere near the 10^75 gap, so it's not an error for elementary
particles. At a guess it's a number of quantum states, and he's engaging
in an improbability/fine-tuning argument.
--
alias Ernest Major
How is this related to the probablity of humans evolving? I'd
(naively) think that if the number of probable states is more, life
will have more possiblity of evolving somewhere.
And, if the number of states is 10^155 (You are right, it's most
probably not 10,115), what does that have to do with God? How do we get
from 'There are 10^155 possible quantum states' to 'A superhuman entity
exists'?
Incredulity? Oh wait, you wanted a line of *logic*! Never mind.
Boikat
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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08 Oct 2006 12:49:36 PM |
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On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:08:15 +0100, Ernest Major
<{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <1160301617.959064.40140@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, Rahul
D. <rahuldandekar2000@gmail.com> writes
'Indeed', Akimov added' 'if man had appeared on the Earth as a result
of evolution, then, considering the frequency of mutations and the
speed of biochemical processes, more time would have been required to
develop man from elementary cells then the age of the Universe
itself'.
Besides, he continued, calculations have been made to show that the
number of quantum elements in the observed Universe cannot be fewer
than 10155 and it cannot but possess a superintellect.
This is the closest he gets to evidence, amid all the blah blah of
opinion and certainty.
Is this Russian "scientist" another Kusnetsov, who squonked the ICR
until even they saw through him?
I wonder on what he bases all this, since we have a fossil history
showing evoltuion in action (and we see it today too). The fossils
confirm man evolved from "elementary cells".
I don't get the last statement, could someone clarify it for me,
please?
"10155" probably represents 10^155. "quantum elements" might be a bad
translation, but what it should mean is unclear. Googling found me
figures of 10^80 for the number of baryons, and while the number of
neutrinos and photons may dwarf the number of baryons, but they don't
get anywhere near the 10^75 gap, so it's not an error for elementary
particles. At a guess it's a number of quantum states, and he's engaging
in an improbability/fine-tuning argument.
They project their "poof, it was all created at once" thinking on
something that happens a step at a time based on what has already
happened. And combine with a woeful ignorance that there are a heck of
a lot less ways elements can combine than they imagine.
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08 Oct 2006 11:08:28 AM |
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On 8 Oct 2006 03:00:18 -0700, Rahul D. wrote:
'Indeed', Akimov added' 'if man had appeared on the Earth as a result
of evolution, then, considering the frequency of mutations and the
speed of biochemical processes, more time would have been required to
develop man from elementary cells then the age of the Universe
itself'.
Besides, he continued, calculations have been made to show that the
number of quantum elements in the observed Universe cannot be fewer
than 10155 and it cannot but possess a superintellect.
This is the closest he gets to evidence, amid all the blah blah of
opinion and certainty.
I wonder on what he bases all this, since we have a fossil history
showing evoltuion in action (and we see it today too). The fossils
confirm man evolved from "elementary cells".
I don't get the last statement, could someone clarify it for me,
please?
The number should probably be 10^155, but the nutbars who post this
stuff (not Jason Spaceman, but the original author) probably have no
clue as to what powers actually are, and apparently think that 10,155 is
a large number. What this number actually represents is anyones guess,
and mine is that it is some probablity argument along the lines that
natural abiogenesis is too improbable to have happened. I don't know how
calculations demonstrate the presence or otherwise of a superintellect.
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08 Oct 2006 03:52:16 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 06:00:18 -0400, Rahul D. <rahuldandekar2000@gmail.com>
wrote:
'Indeed', Akimov added' 'if man had appeared on the Earth as a result
of evolution, then, considering the frequency of mutations and the
speed of biochemical processes, more time would have been required to
develop man from elementary cells then the age of the Universe
itself'.
Besides, he continued, calculations have been made to show that the
number of quantum elements in the observed Universe cannot be fewer
than 10155 and it cannot but possess a superintellect.
This is the closest he gets to evidence, amid all the blah blah of
opinion and certainty.
I wonder on what he bases all this, since we have a fossil history
showing evoltuion in action (and we see it today too). The fossils
confirm man evolved from "elementary cells".
I don't get the last statement, could someone clarify it for me,
please?
who is he? I mean really. I read the article, but who is he?
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07 Oct 2006 07:16:43 AM |
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From the article:
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax - The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
The scientific method, in this case, is an assertion without evidence
by Anatoly Akimov. Sounds like a Discovery Institute grant is awaitin'.
I don't got to show you no steenking evidence.
-- Mike Palmer
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| User: "Bobby Bryant" |
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07 Oct 2006 11:45:47 AM |
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In article <lkiei2pmidbp9s9e6s07gjfckajk1d3iqe@4ax.com>,
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> writes:
From the article:
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax – The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
‘There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge’, he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
Will this "certain knowledge" be appearing in an English-language journal?
The scientist noted that in the past centuries very many physicists
believed in God. Moreover, until Isaac Newton, there was no separation
between science and religion; science was practiced by clergy as they
were the most educated people. Newton himself studied theology and
used to repeat: ‘I deduce laws of mechanics from laws of God’.
Perhaps that's what he _said_, but it isn't what he actually did.
When scientists invented the microscope 300 years ago and began
studying what happens within the cell, the duplication and
segmentation of chromosomes overwhelmed them: ‘How this can be without
Providence?!’
‘Indeed’, Akimov added’ ‘if man had appeared on the Earth as a result
of evolution, then, considering the frequency of mutations and the
speed of biochemical processes, more time would have been required to
develop man from elementary cells then the age of the Universe
itself’.
Besides, he continued, calculations have been made to show that the
number of quantum elements in the observed Universe cannot be fewer
than 10155 and it cannot but possess a superintellect.
Is this the "certain knowledge" his claim rests on?
--
Bobby Bryant
Reno, Nevada
Remove your hat to reply by e-mail.
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07 Oct 2006 01:28:45 PM |
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"On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:45:47 GMT, in article
<LrMVg.10543$e66.2524@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, Bobby Bryant stated..."
In article <lkiei2pmidbp9s9e6s07gjfckajk1d3iqe@4ax.com>,
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> writes:
From the article:
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax – The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
‘There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge’, he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
Will this "certain knowledge" be appearing in an English-language journal?
[...snip...]
For those who might be interested, "Moskovsky komsolmolets" translates
approximately as "Moscow Communist Youth League". (I don't know
whether the paper retains that affiliation.)
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---Tom S. <http://talkreason.org/articles/chickegg.cfm>
"...works of Nature are not like the works of art which are made only by
progressing from one part to another ... unlike an artisan, Nature ... can
act on all of the parts at once just as well as on a single one ..."
Pierre Gassendi, De Generatione Animalium, Chapter III (1651)
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07 Oct 2006 07:59:27 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:lkiei2pmidbp9s9e6s07gjfckajk1d3iqe@4ax.com:
From the article:
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--------- Moscow, October 6, Interfax – The existence of God has been
proved by scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of
the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
Pity he won't mention any of them, or any evidence he actually knows what
they are, anywhere in this article.
‘There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists;
Opinion is not a scientific method.
they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge’, he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
Belief is not a scientific method.
The scientist noted that in the past centuries very many physicists
believed in God.
Belief is still not a scientific method.
Moreover, until Isaac Newton, there was no separation
between science and religion;
Rubbish.
science was practiced by clergy as they
were the most educated people.
Science was practiced by a lot of people, including clergy. Not because
the clergy was educated, so much as because they had access to the
Church's money. Secular scientists, like Tycho Brahe, Galileo (an even
more brilliant scientist than Newton himself), Descartes, Mercator, and
many others, being sponsored by rich nobles, also had access to money,
and contributed at least as much as religious scientists.
Newton himself studied theology and
.. . . was never a priest, or ever formally a churchman.
used to repeat: ‘I deduce laws of mechanics from laws of God’.
When scientists invented the microscope 300 years ago
The telescope was invented late in the 16th century - 1595 is the usual
date given - over 400 years ago.
and began
studying what happens within the cell, the duplication and
segmentation of chromosomes overwhelmed them: ‘How this can be without
Providence?!’
What scientists? Name names, and cite sources. Or not.
‘Indeed’, Akimov added’ ‘if man had appeared on the Earth as a result
of evolution,
This would be someone considerably after 1595, yes?
then, considering the frequency of mutations and the
speed of biochemical processes, more time would have been required to
develop man from elementary cells then the age of the Universe
itself’.
And yet, evolution is well supported with cold, hard scientists. We have,
in fact, observed it happening.
Besides, he continued, calculations have been made to show that the
number of quantum elements in the observed Universe cannot be fewer
than 10155 and it cannot but possess a superintellect.
Google produces a number of references to different Akimov's. Only one
seems to be a scientist, and he seems to be under investigation by the
Russian Academy of Sciences for fraud.
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Read it at http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=2107
Also see 'Russian "Torsion Field" Exponent Embraces Intelligent
Design' at http://blogs.salon.com/0003494/2006/10/06.html
Oh, it *is* the Russian fraud. Well, that makes sense, then. He's making
***** up, trying to stay outo f jail.
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Terry Austin
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07 Oct 2006 01:45:28 PM |
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Terry Austin wrote:
And yet, evolution is well supported with cold, hard scientists.
We don't really need the gruesome details.
--Jeff
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"The fetters imposed on liberty at home have
ever been forged out of the weapons provided
for defence against real, pretended, or
imaginary dangers from abroad."
James Madison
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07 Oct 2006 08:38:35 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax - The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
'There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge', he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
If this were true I would appreciate it.
But, there is a potential fallacy: Prove of existence of a Supreme
Being does not prove that a certain religious scripture is inerrant or
valid.
'Indeed', Akimov added' 'if man had appeared on the Earth as a result
of evolution, then, considering the frequency of mutations and the
speed of biochemical processes, more time would have been required to
develop man from elementary cells then the age of the Universe itself'.
He should not say this as if he would know what he is talking about.
Evolution is not his area of expertise. Here is a list a the most
common misconceptions about evolution:
http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
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07 Oct 2006 07:52:55 AM |
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On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:38:57 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax – The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
‘There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge’, he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
The scientist noted that in the past centuries very many physicists
believed in God. Moreover, until Isaac Newton, there was no separation
between science and religion; science was practiced by clergy as they
were the most educated people. Newton himself studied theology and
used to repeat: ‘I deduce laws of mechanics from laws of God’.
When scientists invented the microscope 300 years ago and began
studying what happens within the cell, the duplication and
segmentation of chromosomes overwhelmed them: ‘How this can be without
Providence?!’
‘Indeed’, Akimov added’ ‘if man had appeared on the Earth as a result
of evolution, then, considering the frequency of mutations and the
speed of biochemical processes, more time would have been required to
develop man from elementary cells then the age of the Universe
itself’.
Besides, he continued, calculations have been made to show that the
number of quantum elements in the observed Universe cannot be fewer
than 10155 and it cannot but possess a superintellect.
But not apparently in this neighbourhood!
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"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
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| User: "Shane" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Russian scientists certain of the existence of God |
07 Oct 2006 09:01:52 AM |
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On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:38:57 -0400, Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax – The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
‘There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge’, he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
The scientist noted that in the past centuries very many physicists
believed in God. Moreover, until Isaac Newton, there was no separation
between science and religion; science was practiced by clergy as they
were the most educated people. Newton himself studied theology and
used to repeat: ‘I deduce laws of mechanics from laws of God’.
I wonder why the author does not give one example of a law of mechanics
that Newton, or anyone else, has deduced from the laws of god. Surely it
could not be because there is none?
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| User: "Jeffrey Turner" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Russian scientists certain of the existence of |
07 Oct 2006 01:50:47 PM |
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Shane wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:38:57 -0400, Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax – The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
‘There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge’, he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
The scientist noted that in the past centuries very many physicists
believed in God. Moreover, until Isaac Newton, there was no separation
between science and religion; science was practiced by clergy as they
were the most educated people. Newton himself studied theology and
used to repeat: ‘I deduce laws of mechanics from laws of God’.
I wonder why the author does not give one example of a law of mechanics
that Newton, or anyone else, has deduced from the laws of god. Surely it
could not be because there is none?
Ex. 23:19 You shall not boil a young goat in its mother's milk.
Therefore, an object in motion will remain in motion in a straight line
unless acted upon by a force.
QED.
--Jeff
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"The fetters imposed on liberty at home have
ever been forged out of the weapons provided
for defence against real, pretended, or
imaginary dangers from abroad."
James Madison
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| User: "Shane" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Russian scientists certain of the existence of |
07 Oct 2006 09:16:16 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:50:47 -0400, Jeffrey Turner wrote:
Shane wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:38:57 -0400, Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax ¡V The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
¡¥There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge¡¦, he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
The scientist noted that in the past centuries very many physicists
believed in God. Moreover, until Isaac Newton, there was no separation
between science and religion; science was practiced by clergy as they
were the most educated people. Newton himself studied theology and
used to repeat: ¡¥I deduce laws of mechanics from laws of God¡¦.
I wonder why the author does not give one example of a law of mechanics
that Newton, or anyone else, has deduced from the laws of god. Surely it
could not be because there is none?
Ex. 23:19 You shall not boil a young goat in its mother's milk.
Therefore, an object in motion will remain in motion in a straight line
unless acted upon by a force.
QED.
Thanks; I stand corrected.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Russian scientists certain of the existence of God |
07 Oct 2006 09:59:40 PM |
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Shane wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:38:57 -0400, Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax - The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
'There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge', he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
The scientist noted that in the past centuries very many physicists
believed in God. Moreover, until Isaac Newton, there was no separation
between science and religion; science was practiced by clergy as they
were the most educated people. Newton himself studied theology and
used to repeat: 'I deduce laws of mechanics from laws of God'.
I wonder why the author does not give one example of a law of mechanics
that Newton, or anyone else, has deduced from the laws of god. Surely it
could not be because there is none?
Because you are a FOOL
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Russian scientists certain of the existence of God |
07 Oct 2006 11:00:55 PM |
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In article <1160258380.697636.278650@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
Shane wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:38:57 -0400, Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Moscow, October 6, Interfax - The existence of God has been proved by
scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the
Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.
'There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is
the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator
but rely on certain knowledge', he said in an interview published by
the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.
The scientist noted that in the past centuries very many physicists
believed in God. Moreover, until Isaac Newton, there was no separation
between science and religion; science was practiced by clergy as they
were the most educated people. Newton himself studied theology and
used to repeat: 'I deduce laws of mechanics from laws of God'.
I wonder why the author does not give one example of a law of mechanics
that Newton, or anyone else, has deduced from the laws of god. Surely it
could not be because there is none?
Because you are a FOOL
*
Wow! What a response! Man, you've got a mind like a steel trap.
Me, I've got a mind like a lint trap. It holds a lot but most of it
is pretty fuzzy.
earle
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Russian scientists certain of the existence of God |
08 Oct 2006 09:59:04 PM |
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Earle Jones wrote:
Man, you've got a mind like a steel trap.
Rusty, shut tight and immovable.
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