Religions > Atheism > In the News: State lawmakers seek to force teaching creationism
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In the News: State lawmakers seek to force teaching creationism |
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
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The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
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03 Aug 2003 11:32:06 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
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The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
By singling out Darwin's theory and the "Law" of natural selection, they
are condemned to lose in court. Had they just said that all theories
including Bohr's atomic theory and Einstein's theory are yet to be proven,
the court could have no objection. That of course would muddy their own
waters a bit though.
Lane
In my experience, lightning behavior is most easily explained after it has
struck.
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31 Jul 2003 05:08:52 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
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The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
I'd love to see Americans start teaching creation to their children in state
schools. It would be worth a good laugh.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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31 Jul 2003 06:58:53 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:08:52 GMT, "Shmanky" <shmanky@outraged.com>
wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
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The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
I'd love to see Americans start teaching creation to their children in state
schools. It would be worth a good laugh.
Don't laugh too loud. We have one of them for a President and he's
already started two wars plus has a shitload of 'nuxlear' bombs.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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31 Jul 2003 07:49:39 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:58:53 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@onic.net> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:08:52 GMT, "Shmanky" <shmanky@outraged.com>
wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
news:b9401f8a.0307310126.26d58fe2@posting.google.com...
From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
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The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
I'd love to see Americans start teaching creation to their children in state
schools. It would be worth a good laugh.
Don't laugh too loud. We have one of them for a President and he's
already started two wars plus has a shitload of 'nuxlear' bombs.
Please, Steve, even Dubya knows it's pronounced "nucular"!
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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31 Jul 2003 07:00:16 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:49:39 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:58:53 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@onic.net> wrote:
Don't laugh too loud. We have one of them for a President and he's
already started two wars plus has a shitload of 'nuxlear' bombs.
Please, Steve, even Dubya knows it's pronounced "nucular"!
I wrote down the way he says it when he's drunk.
Really.....
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "William Allen Scheer" |
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31 Jul 2003 12:17:13 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
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The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
What a load of crap, and entirely the wrong way to approach any percieved
problem. Just keep teachers from saying "science proves there is no God",
and tell the xtra-chromosome fundies to shut up.
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| User: "syvanen" |
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01 Aug 2003 06:12:20 PM |
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"William Allen Scheer" <dansgold@ANTISPAMBLOCKREMOVEME.excite.com> wrote in message news:<viijnnc8t6pc71@corp.supernews.com>...
"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
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The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
What a load of crap, and entirely the wrong way to approach any percieved
problem. Just keep teachers from saying "science proves there is no God",
and tell the xtra-chromosome fundies to shut up.
Can you show us an example of where a teacher has taught that "science
proves there is no God".
Mike Syvanen
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| User: "Lenny Flank" |
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09 Aug 2003 06:34:43 AM |
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"William Allen Scheer" <dansgold@ANTISPAMBLOCKREMOVEME.excite.com> wrote in message news:<viijnnc8t6pc71@corp.supernews.com>...
"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
-------------------------------
The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
What a load of crap, and entirely the wrong way to approach any percieved
problem. Just keep teachers from saying "science proves there is no God",
and tell the xtra-chromosome fundies to shut up.
Umm, which teachers would that be, again . . . . . . . ?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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03 Aug 2003 10:32:01 AM |
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:12:20 +0000 (UTC), (syvanen)
wrote:
"William Allen Scheer" <dansgold@ANTISPAMBLOCKREMOVEME.excite.com> wrote in message news:<viijnnc8t6pc71@corp.supernews.com>...
"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
-------------------------------
The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
What a load of crap, and entirely the wrong way to approach any percieved
problem. Just keep teachers from saying "science proves there is no God",
and tell the xtra-chromosome fundies to shut up.
Can you show us an example of where a teacher has taught that "science
proves there is no God".
The binary-thinking morons think that making no mention of it at all
is the same as teaching that it doesn't exist.
And of course if they didn't bring it up nobody else would either.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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10 Aug 2003 11:49:10 PM |
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:34:43 +0000 (UTC), (Lenny Flank)
posted in alt.atheism:
"William Allen Scheer" <dansgold@ANTISPAMBLOCKREMOVEME.excite.com> wrote in message news:<viijnnc8t6pc71@corp.supernews.com>...
What a load of crap, and entirely the wrong way to approach any percieved
problem. Just keep teachers from saying "science proves there is no God",
and tell the xtra-chromosome fundies to shut up.
Umm, which teachers would that be, again . . . . . . . ?
The ones who have the temerity to state that we evolved.
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moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
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31 Jul 2003 02:55:58 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:17:13 +0000 (UTC), "William Allen Scheer"
<dansgold@ANTISPAMBLOCKREMOVEME.excite.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
news:b9401f8a.0307310126.26d58fe2@posting.google.com...
From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
-------------------------------
The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
What a load of crap, and entirely the wrong way to approach any percieved
problem. Just keep teachers from saying "science proves there is no God",
and tell the xtra-chromosome fundies to shut up.
So now they legislate actual lines for science teachers to recite.
What would they like taught about gravity?
Can a state definition of pi == 3 be far behind?
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31 Jul 2003 03:25:43 PM |
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What would they like taught about gravity?
Intelligent Grappling.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Ill-Legal Dept. "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here"
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| User: "Alex" |
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31 Jul 2003 07:57:47 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:55:58 -0400, Apostate
<Apostate.invalid@yeehaw.org> wrote:
So now they legislate actual lines for science teachers to recite.
What would they like taught about gravity?
Can a state definition of pi == 3 be far behind?
The best part will be the change to the geography department. All
year, they can debate whether the earth is a two-dimensional square or
a three-dimensional tetrahedron.
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31 Jul 2003 06:55:28 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
news:b9401f8a.0307310126.26d58fe2@posting.google.com...
From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
And creationism does not lack proof? What makes people work so hard to ruin
the education for people? Isn't the education bad enough as it is?
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01 Aug 2003 10:41:35 AM |
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(Jason Spaceman) thought hard and said:
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
And creation is not?
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-Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
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31 Jul 2003 01:23:53 PM |
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In article <b9401f8a.0307310126.26d58fe2@posting.google.com>,
Jason Spaceman <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote:
From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
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I look forward to a future bill that requires that middle and high
school students who study US history must also be taught that Benjamin
Franklin was actually a female (a fact that was only noticed when he
converted to Judaism on his 130th birthday and the circumcision failed
due to "technical difficulties").
Fight stupidity with stupidity. Any Rep who does this has my vote.
Seriously.
Alan
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Defendit numerus
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31 Jul 2003 11:47:35 AM |
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In talk.origins Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
It makes me wish I were still in high school. I would love to have my
teach claim that God created the world; that way, I could stand assert
that the God who did the creating was Brahma,
For some reason (possibly involving bad eyesight) I read "Brahms"
here, and thought this was a very nice idea. :)
I suspect, though, that it was the Boston Brahmins who created the
earth.
rich
and anyone who said
otherwise was a heathen deserving of death.
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31 Jul 2003 06:54:45 PM |
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rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote:
In talk.origins Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
It makes me wish I were still in high school. I would love to have my
teach claim that God created the world; that way, I could stand assert
that the God who did the creating was Brahma,
For some reason (possibly involving bad eyesight) I read "Brahms"
here, and thought this was a very nice idea. :)
I suspect, though, that it was the Boston Brahmins who created the
earth.
That would explain why the only folk in Boston who talk to anyone are
immigrants from elsewhere in the US.
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John Wilkins
"And this is a damnable doctrine" - Charles Darwin, Autobiography
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31 Jul 2003 07:15:03 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:54:45 +0000 (UTC), (John
Wilkins) wrote:
That would explain why the only folk in Boston who talk to anyone are
immigrants from elsewhere in the US.
My father, the scion of Boston Brahmins and a Hahvard man like his
father and grandfather, talked to lots of people. After all, he was
married 7 times.
Lizz 'And that was *before* he died' Holmans
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Boys is easier, and if you have sons it's worth trying for three.
Nanny Ogg
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03 Aug 2003 06:38:11 PM |
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Lizz Holmans <dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:22:11 +0000 (UTC), (John
Wilkins) wrote:
Lizz Holmans <dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:54:45 +0000 (UTC), (John
Wilkins) wrote:
That would explain why the only folk in Boston who talk to anyone are
immigrants from elsewhere in the US.
My father, the scion of Boston Brahmins and a Hahvard man like his
father and grandfather, talked to lots of people. After all, he was
married 7 times.
To anyone who was neither (a) a person providing a professional service
or good, nor (b) a Bostonian?
Re-read my post. Re-read your post. Either you have just insulted my
mother in a big way (not to mention his other six wives, one of whom
spoke only Spanish) or you have a very limited view of life.
Or (c), all of the above,,,
Good thing I have a sense of humor.
Lizz 'so did he--he was married seven times' Holmans
Was everyone an 'enery?
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John Wilkins
B'dies, Brutius
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31 Jul 2003 08:22:11 PM |
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Lizz Holmans <dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:54:45 +0000 (UTC), (John
Wilkins) wrote:
That would explain why the only folk in Boston who talk to anyone are
immigrants from elsewhere in the US.
My father, the scion of Boston Brahmins and a Hahvard man like his
father and grandfather, talked to lots of people. After all, he was
married 7 times.
To anyone who was neither (a) a person providing a professional service
or good, nor (b) a Bostonian?
Lizz 'And that was *before* he died' Holmans
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John Wilkins
B'dies, Brutius
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31 Jul 2003 11:32:25 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:26:59 +0000 (UTC),
(Jason Spaceman) wrote:
From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
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The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
Creationist science 101:
1. Everything in science is a lie/wrong/EAC.
2. Everything was created 6,000 years ago.
End of creation science 101.
For your end of term exam, please write a 10,000 word essay
summarising the above.
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Archdeacom Levy Oates
On behalf of the Prophet Eric Peabody (pbuh)
Basingstoke, England
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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| User: "Robert Camacho" |
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01 Aug 2003 08:16:51 PM |
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Creationist science 101:
1. Everything in science is a lie/wrong/EAC.
That's a misrepresentation of Creationism. They never said "Science" is a
lie, just the theory of evolution.
2. Everything was created 6,000 years ago.
Not all of them believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago.
End of creation science 101.
For your end of term exam, please write a 10,000 word essay
summarising the above.
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Archdeacom Levy Oates
On behalf of the Prophet Eric Peabody (pbuh)
Basingstoke, England
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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08 Aug 2003 08:48:13 PM |
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"Bjoern Feuerbacher" <feuerbac@thphys.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote in message
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"Robert Camacho" <rlcamacho@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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2. Everything was created 6,000 years ago.
Not all of them believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago.
Well, the majority does.
I think this is changing as ID is becoming a more
prevalent strategy. Additionally some creationists
are starting to see stuff like the Big Bang and fine-
tuning of the universe as supportive of their belief
systems. For example, this is found in Stephen
Meyers "return of the god hypothesis", available
on the web, and Chuck Colson's _how now shall
we live_, which recapitulates Meyers' argument.
This is unsurprising because Nancy Pearcey is
the co-author of this book.
Robert, I asked you what your opinion on the age of the earth is. You
evaded the question and claimed that different methods give different
ages. I asked you for examples of such methods - do you plan to ever
answer this question?
[snip rest]
Bye,
Bjoern
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| User: "Lenny Flank" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: State lawmakers seek to force teaching creationism |
09 Aug 2003 06:33:05 AM |
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"Robert Camacho" <rlcamacho@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<MhEWa.80676$3o3.5539642@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
Creationist science 101:
1. Everything in science is a lie/wrong/EAC.
That's a misrepresentation of Creationism. They never said "Science" is a
lie, just the theory of evolution.
Well, let's take a look, shall we . . . . . . . ?
If the young-earth creationists are right, then:
all of cosmology is wrong, since the Big Bang never happened
all of archeology is wrong, since nothing happened more than 6,000
years ago
all of geology is wrong, since all geological strata come from the
Flood
all of nuclear physics is wrong, since radiodecay rates are not
constant over time
all of quantum physics is wrong, since the speed of light is not
constant
all of molecular biology is wrong, since similarities in DNA are all
meaningless
all of organic chemistry is wrong, since biomolecules cannot really
form on
their own through chemical methods
all of linguistics is wrong, sicne languages really come from the
Tower of Babel
all of anthropology is wrong, since human culture all developed in the
Middle east
Would you mind pointing out to me which parts of science creationists
accept as correct . . . .?
2. Everything was created 6,000 years ago.
Not all of them believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago.
Right. Many of them have given that claim up, since everyone else has
concluded that it's stupid.
But then, most of those who do not believe the earth was created 6,000
years ago are "intelligent design theorists" --- and they DO NOT
REJECT EVOLUTION either. In fact, their entire idea of "intelligent
design" is nothing more than 'evolution with a designer tinkering here
and there in some obscure molecules that most people have never even
heard of".
There are of course a small number of old-earth creationists a la Hugh
Ross who do reject evolution and don't think the earth is 6,000 years
old. of course, Ross also believes that flying saucers come from the
devil. <shrug>
Note that neither young-earth creationists, old-earth creationists, or
intelligent design 'theorists' have any sort of scientific theory to
present whcih can be tested using the scientific method. All any of
them have is their religious opinions, and a desire to use the power
of the law to force those religious opinions onto others, whether
those others like it or not.
If I recall correctly, we just invaded and overthrew a bunch of people
in Afghanistan who thought pretty much the same way. . . . . . . .
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"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked Website:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
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| User: "Levy Oates" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: State lawmakers seek to force teaching creationism |
03 Aug 2003 12:02:39 PM |
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 01:16:51 +0000 (UTC), "Robert Camacho"
<rlcamacho@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Creationist science 101:
1. Everything in science is a lie/wrong/EAC.
That's a misrepresentation of Creationism. They never said "Science" is a
lie, just the theory of evolution.
Young earth creationism is inconsistent with geology, paleontology,
astronomy, cosmology, nuclear physics, chemistry, biology.
Those are just the ones that I can think of, off the top of my head.
It may be consistent with stamp collecting. I don't know I haven't
investiagted this one.
2. Everything was created 6,000 years ago.
Not all of them believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago.
True, but this is the stance of most biblical literalists. There are
even more extremes, such as flat earthers, and less extremes who call
themselves creationists for reasons best known to themselves, but are
otherwsie quite normal people.
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Archdeacom Levy Oates
On behalf of the Prophet Eric Peabody (pbuh)
Basingstoke, England
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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| User: "Lorrill Buyens" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: State lawmakers seek to force teaching creationism |
04 Aug 2003 07:32:10 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC), Levy Oates <levy_oates@hotmail.com>
stubbed their toe on a rock and hollered:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 01:16:51 +0000 (UTC), "Robert Camacho"
<rlcamacho@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Creationist science 101:
1. Everything in science is a lie/wrong/EAC.
That's a misrepresentation of Creationism. They never said "Science" is a
lie, just the theory of evolution.
Young earth creationism is inconsistent with geology, paleontology,
astronomy, cosmology, nuclear physics, chemistry, biology.
Those are just the ones that I can think of, off the top of my head.
It may be consistent with stamp collecting. I don't know I haven't
investiagted this one.
Nuh-uh. Some stamps have pictures of non-Biblical animals and
Darwin and stuff on 'em. ;-)
--
"No collection of individuals is less vindictive than
an audience at amateur theatricals."
- P. G. Wodehouse, _The Intrusion of Jimmy_
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| User: "Mark VandeWettering" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: State lawmakers seek to force teaching creationism |
31 Jul 2003 12:16:19 PM |
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In article <9ugiivg25mo42oo6bq9n1ndlmibnh58fk7@4ax.com>, Levy Oates wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:26:59 +0000 (UTC),
(Jason Spaceman) wrote:
From the article:
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HOLLAND, Mich. (AP) -- A state House bill would require that middle
and high school students who study evolution also be taught
creationism, the belief that God designed life on earth, under a state
House bill.
Republican State Reps. Bill Van Regenmorter of Georgetown Township and
Barb Vander Veen of Allendale are co-sponsors of the bill.
The legislation introduced this month says science teachers should
tell their students that evolution and natural selection are "unproven
theories."
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The rest at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66152275
Creationist science 101:
1. Everything in science is a lie/wrong/EAC.
2. Everything was created 6,000 years ago.
End of creation science 101.
For your end of term exam, please write a 10,000 word essay
summarising the above.
To be more accurate, I think you need to _quote_ a 10,000 word essay
which summarizes the above....
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Archdeacom Levy Oates
On behalf of the Prophet Eric Peabody (pbuh)
Basingstoke, England
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: State lawmakers seek to force teaching creationism |
03 Aug 2003 10:33:39 AM |
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 01:16:51 +0000 (UTC), "Robert Camacho"
<rlcamacho@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Creationist science 101:
1. Everything in science is a lie/wrong/EAC.
That's a misrepresentation of Creationism. They never said "Science" is a
lie, just the theory of evolution.
Which is an integral part of science.
And of course they're too stupid to realise that the theory of
evolution is the explanation for the facts that were labelled
"Evolution".
Quite frankly, creationists are either idiots or liars, and often
both.
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