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"Jason Spaceman" |
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19 Jan 2005 08:32:47 AM |
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In the News: Students miss ID idea |
From the article:
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Dover Area school officials told students about intelligent design, then left.
By LAURI LEBO and JOE MALDONADO
Daily Record/Sunday News
Wednesday, January 19, 2005
Some of the 35 Dover ninth-graders who heard about intelligent design Tuesday
couldn't explain the concept afterward.
The controversial statement didn't define intelligent design, and school
administrators who read it didn't answer questions.
Yet the law firm championing the case for the Dover Area School District touted
it as a "revolution in evolution."
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/doverbiology/55896/
J. Spaceman
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My email address (notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org) is fake. Email sent to it
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| Title: Re: In the News: Students miss ID idea |
19 Jan 2005 07:22:42 PM |
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"Some of the 35 Dover ninth-graders who heard about intelligent design
Tuesday
couldn't explain the concept afterward"
What do you expect? Neither could the members of the school board who
were questioned about it on Nightline two nights ago.
Mike Syvanen
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| User: "Fencingsax" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Students miss ID idea |
19 Jan 2005 10:18:30 PM |
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wrote:
"Some of the 35 Dover ninth-graders who heard about intelligent
design
Tuesday
couldn't explain the concept afterward"
What do you expect? Neither could the members of the school board
who
were questioned about it on Nightline two nights ago.
Mike Syvanen
Neither can the people on this very board.
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| User: "Theo Bromine" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Students miss ID idea |
19 Jan 2005 11:20:38 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Dover Area school officials told students about intelligent design, then left.
By LAURI LEBO and JOE MALDONADO
Daily Record/Sunday News
Wednesday, January 19, 2005
Some of the 35 Dover ninth-graders who heard about intelligent design Tuesday
couldn't explain the concept afterward.
The controversial statement didn't define intelligent design, and school
administrators who read it didn't answer questions.
Yet the law firm championing the case for the Dover Area School District touted
it as a "revolution in evolution."
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/doverbiology/55896/
I think I can understand why the teachers left the roome when the ID
statement was read, but I wonder whether the parents writing notes to
have students excused gives ID too much standing as a credible threat?
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| User: "A. Carlson" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Students miss ID idea |
20 Jan 2005 02:08:49 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:20:38 -0500, Theo Bromine
<the0br0mine@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Dover Area school officials told students about intelligent design, then left.
By LAURI LEBO and JOE MALDONADO
Daily Record/Sunday News
Wednesday, January 19, 2005
Some of the 35 Dover ninth-graders who heard about intelligent design Tuesday
couldn't explain the concept afterward.
The controversial statement didn't define intelligent design, and school
administrators who read it didn't answer questions.
Yet the law firm championing the case for the Dover Area School District touted
it as a "revolution in evolution."
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/doverbiology/55896/
I think I can understand why the teachers left the roome when the ID
statement was read, but I wonder whether the parents writing notes to
have students excused gives ID too much standing as a credible threat?
That has got to be one of the most damaging aspects to the ID movement
at least at the local level. The fact that the teachers very
noticeably stood up to an administration en masse in front of their
students only to have an incoherent policy being read by someone
usurping the teacher's position for an obvious cause has probably
instilled at least some level of skepticism about the whole thing with
at least some of the students.
I wonder if any of the returning teachers took the opportunity upon
returning to set the record straight about what is and what is not
science. It certainly should have been their prerogative to do so as
the actual science teacher.
Alex
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Students miss ID idea |
19 Jan 2005 09:51:04 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Dover Area school officials told students about intelligent design, then left.
By LAURI LEBO and JOE MALDONADO
Daily Record/Sunday News
Wednesday, January 19, 2005
Some of the 35 Dover ninth-graders who heard about intelligent design Tuesday
couldn't explain the concept afterward.
Were they supposed to learn about the concept, or just hear a political
commisar tell them that it ought to be considered as an alternative to
evolution?
Yet the law firm championing the case for the Dover Area School District touted
it as a "revolution in evolution."
SOL! (snort out loud)
Here's the text of the statement, from Jason's link:
"The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about
Darwin's Theory of Evolution and eventually to take a standardized
test of which evolution is a part.
"Because Darwin's Theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new
evidence is discovered. The Theory is not a fact. Gaps in the Theory
exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a
well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.
"Intelligent Design is an explanation of the origin of life that
differs from Darwin's view. The reference book, Of Pandas and People,
is available for students who might be interested in gaining an
understanding of what Intelligent Design actually involves.
"With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open
mind. The school leaves the discussion of the Origins of Life to
individual students and their families. As a Standards-driven
district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve
proficiency on Standards-based assessments."
Heh, gaps "for which there is no evidence". Freudian slip?
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Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "Ian H Spedding" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Students miss ID idea |
19 Jan 2005 10:51:10 AM |
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"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:cslvl7$7oq$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
[...]
"Because Darwin's Theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new
evidence is discovered. The Theory is not a fact. Gaps in the Theory
exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a
well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.
[...]
Heh, gaps "for which there is no evidence". Freudian slip?
A quote-miner's dream! We have it _in writing_ from IDC advocates
themselves, there is no evidence for the alleged gaps in the theory of
evolution.
"You load 16 puns and what do you get..."
Ian
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Ian H Spedding
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| User: "David D." |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Students miss ID idea |
19 Jan 2005 10:17:14 PM |
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Ian H Spedding wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:cslvl7$7oq$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
[...]
"Because Darwin's Theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as
new
evidence is discovered. The Theory is not a fact. Gaps in the
Theory
exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a
well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.
[...]
Heh, gaps "for which there is no evidence". Freudian slip?
A quote-miner's dream! We have it _in writing_ from IDC advocates
themselves, there is no evidence for the alleged gaps in the theory
of
evolution.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought a quote mine is when it has a
different meaning when taken out of context. In this case they
actually said it whether it is out of context or not. In this case
Discovery Institute has done an incredibly bad job of informing the
ground troops how to avoid the traps.
David
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| User: "JohnN" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Students miss ID idea |
19 Jan 2005 12:29:13 PM |
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Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Dover Area school officials told students about intelligent design,
then left.
Here's the text of the statement, from Jason's link:
"The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about
Darwin's Theory of Evolution and eventually to take a standardized
test of which evolution is a part.
"Because Darwin's Theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as
new
evidence is discovered. The Theory is not a fact. Gaps in the Theory
exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a
well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.
"Intelligent Design is an explanation of the origin of life that
differs from Darwin's view. The reference book, Of Pandas and People,
is available for students who might be interested in gaining an
understanding of what Intelligent Design actually involves.
"With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open
mind. The school leaves the discussion of the Origins of Life to
individual students and their families. As a Standards-driven
district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to
achieve
proficiency on Standards-based assessments."
Words fail me. Until now I never really got what the ID'ers and
Creationist where doing. They claim their stickers promote study,
research and discussion on the topics. Their stickers, and this
statement, show they have no idea what they're talking about with
respects to evolution.
Fortunitly for the school board in Dover, PA ninth graders do not have
fully developed critical thinking skills. Those kids will not
immediately realize the school board and the administration that
supports it are loons. The students may still harbor some respect for
their teachers, adminstrators and the adults of Dover.
JohnN
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Students miss ID idea |
20 Jan 2005 12:01:56 AM |
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JohnN wrote:
Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Dover Area school officials told students about intelligent design,
then left.
Here's the text of the statement, from Jason's link:
"The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about
Darwin's Theory of Evolution and eventually to take a standardized
test of which evolution is a part.
"Because Darwin's Theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as
new
evidence is discovered. The Theory is not a fact. Gaps in the Theory
exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a
well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.
"Intelligent Design is an explanation of the origin of life that
differs from Darwin's view. The reference book, Of Pandas and People,
is available for students who might be interested in gaining an
understanding of what Intelligent Design actually involves.
"With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open
mind. The school leaves the discussion of the Origins of Life to
individual students and their families. As a Standards-driven
district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to
achieve
proficiency on Standards-based assessments."
Words fail me. Until now I never really got what the ID'ers and
Creationist where doing. They claim their stickers promote study,
research and discussion on the topics. Their stickers, and this
statement, show they have no idea what they're talking about with
respects to evolution.
Fortunitly for the school board in Dover, PA ninth graders do not have
fully developed critical thinking skills. Those kids will not
immediately realize the school board and the administration that
supports it are loons. The students may still harbor some respect for
their teachers, adminstrators and the adults of Dover.
JohnN
What will most likely happen to the intelligent few who manage to escape
the schools with their thinking caps firmly intact will find out what a
load of lies their parents forced them to learn. This will cause them
to start questioning other tenets of their parents' religion, and will
lead them down the path that has led me to functional atheism.
I was at one time a fundamentalist Christian. But their insistence on
the factual and historical accuracy of the entire Bible became an issue
when I started REALLY learning geology, biology and cosmology (at least
at the level that a high school senior is expected to.) And I started
thinking about the whole apple/sinner/redemption thing.
They are right in that a full science education will lead their students
away from their religion, but only because their students figure out
what liars they are.
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