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In the News: Teens & creation/evolution: Most see God's handiwork |
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it, and
an overwhelming majority of them believe that God one way or another
was involved in the creation of humanity, according to a new Gallup
poll.
The poll of 1,028 teenagers ages 13-17 found that 38 percent don't
believe in evolution, believing instead that "God created human beings
pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000
years or so." Another 43 percent believe that humans "developed over
millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided"
the process. All total, 81 percent believe that God was somehow
involved.
Only 18 percent believe that evolution took place without God playing
a role.
Mark Hartwig, a social research analyst for Focus on the Family, said
the poll underscores the fact that creation itself points to a
creator. Hartwig also serves as a fellow for the Discovery Institute's
Center for Science and Culture.
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Read it at http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=20311
This is the poll they are talking about ---> "Darwin or Divine? Teens'
Views on Origin of Species"
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/login.aspx?ci=15163
But you need an account at Gallup in order to read the whole thing.
J. Spaceman
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10 Mar 2005 12:39:51 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it, and
an overwhelming majority of them believe that God one way or another
was involved in the creation of humanity, according to a new Gallup
poll.
Roll on the total collapse of the USA!!! It's the only chance the rest of
the world has!
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| User: "The Last Conformist" |
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10 Mar 2005 05:45:17 AM |
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Anyway, isn't 38% non-believers in evolution lower than among the adult
population?
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| User: "bhawes" |
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10 Mar 2005 08:31:30 AM |
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Clayton: The Reason The Housewives Are Desperate! wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it,
and
an overwhelming majority of them believe that God one way or
another
was involved in the creation of humanity, according to a new Gallup
poll.
Personally, I'd really just like to thank all creationists and their
willing dupes, the lack of qualified competition in the future for
biology fields should allow my 13yr old to rocket to large
opportunities in biological research & development industries.
Remember to tell your kids, Wal-Mart bagger is NOT a bad career.
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| User: "PJ" |
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10 Mar 2005 02:20:52 PM |
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Personally, I'd really just like to thank all creationists and their
willing dupes, the lack of qualified competition in the future for
biology fields should allow my 13yr old to rocket to large
opportunities in biological research & development industries.
Remember to tell your kids, Wal-Mart bagger is NOT a bad career.
Heh, heh, couldn't agree more!
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| User: "Godfrey" |
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10 Mar 2005 01:19:55 AM |
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:39:51 +1000, "Clayton: The Reason The
Housewives Are Desperate!" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it, and
an overwhelming majority of them believe that God one way or another
was involved in the creation of humanity, according to a new Gallup
poll.
Roll on the total collapse of the USA!!! It's the only chance the rest of
the world has!
Wakey wakey, hands off snakey...
-Godfrey
"Faith is not a justification, but an admission that
there is no justification. If there are rational
reasons to believe something, then "faith" is
superfluous. If there are no rational reasons to
believe something, then continued belief is, by
definition, irrational."
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| User: "johac" |
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10 Mar 2005 01:19:33 AM |
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In article <2icv2150ean0bp352kcdod4fu6kqtk477f@4ax.com>,
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it, and
an overwhelming majority of them believe that God one way or another
was involved in the creation of humanity, according to a new Gallup
poll.
The poll of 1,028 teenagers ages 13-17 found that 38 percent don't
believe in evolution, believing instead that "God created human beings
pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000
years or so." Another 43 percent believe that humans "developed over
millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided"
the process. All total, 81 percent believe that God was somehow
involved.
Only 18 percent believe that evolution took place without God playing
a role.
The sad thing is that by the time these kids get to be teens, they are
already brainwashed.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Ernest Major" |
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| Title: In the News: Teens & creation/evolution: Most see God's handiwork |
10 Mar 2005 12:52:48 PM |
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In article <2icv2150ean0bp352kcdod4fu6kqtk477f@4ax.com>, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> writes
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it, and
an overwhelming majority of them believe that God one way or another
was involved in the creation of humanity, according to a new Gallup
poll.
The poll of 1,028 teenagers ages 13-17 found that 38 percent don't
believe in evolution, believing instead that "God created human beings
pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000
years or so." Another 43 percent believe that humans "developed over
millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided"
the process. All total, 81 percent believe that God was somehow
involved.
Does this count as good (or at least less bad) news? the percentage that
doesn't accept the factuality of evolution appears to be lower than
figures regularly quoted for adult Americans.
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alias Ernest Major
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| User: "navi-gater" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Teens & creation/evolution: Most see God's handiwork |
09 Mar 2005 09:55:30 PM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:2icv2150ean0bp352kcdod4fu6kqtk477f@4ax.com:
Only 18 percent believe that evolution took place without God playing
a role.
Well there you go - the vast majority of people are average or below
average intelligence.
18% seems like a reasonable percentage of intelligent people.
gater.
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| User: "Ken Shackleton" |
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10 Mar 2005 10:06:31 AM |
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navi-gater wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:2icv2150ean0bp352kcdod4fu6kqtk477f@4ax.com:
Only 18 percent believe that evolution took place without God
playing
a role.
Well there you go - the vast majority of people are average or below
average intelligence.
18% seems like a reasonable percentage of intelligent people.
gater.
18% is probably high for Nashville....;)
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| User: "sAnToLiNa" |
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09 Mar 2005 09:37:02 PM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it...
Mark Hartwig, a social research analyst for Focus on the Family, said
the poll underscores the fact that creation itself points to a
creator.
Teenagers believe in God. Therefore, He exists. Gotcha.
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| User: "John" |
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09 Mar 2005 09:57:05 PM |
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"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it...
Mark Hartwig, a social research analyst for Focus on the Family, said
the poll underscores the fact that creation itself points to a
creator.
Teenagers believe in God. Therefore, He exists. Gotcha.
Kids believe in Santa Claus, therefore...
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| User: "Mark Isaak" |
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10 Mar 2005 07:07:38 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:57:05 +1100, "John" <junk@junk.com> wrote:
"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2icv2150ean0bp352kcdod4fu6kqtk477f@4ax.com...
From the article:
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it...
Mark Hartwig, a social research analyst for Focus on the Family, said
the poll underscores the fact that creation itself points to a
creator.
Teenagers believe in God. Therefore, He exists. Gotcha.
Kids believe in Santa Claus, therefore...
Grown-ups believe in Santa Claus and call him God.
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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10 Mar 2005 04:05:59 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
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The poll of 1,028 teenagers ages 13-17 found that 38 percent don't
believe in evolution, believing instead that "God created human beings
pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000
years or so." Another 43 percent believe that humans "developed over
millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided"
the process. All total, 81 percent believe that God was somehow
involved.
Now ask 'em how often the Sun revolves around the Earth.
Only 18 percent believe that evolution took place without God playing
a role.
Not bad.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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10 Mar 2005 11:27:37 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it,
and
an overwhelming majority of them believe that God one way or another
was involved in the creation of humanity, according to a new Gallup
poll.
The poll of 1,028 teenagers ages 13-17 found that 38 percent don't
believe in evolution, believing instead that "God created human
beings
pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000
years or so." Another 43 percent believe that humans "developed over
millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided"
the process. All total, 81 percent believe that God was somehow
involved.
Only 18 percent believe that evolution took place without God playing
a role.
Aren't those numbers similar to, or actually better than, the
population as a whole? Something like 40% of adults believe in YEC, and
only about 10% don't believe in a god.
Of course, asking a reporter to put things in context is kind of like,
well, asking a creationist to explain evolution.
eyelessgame
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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10 Mar 2005 02:41:17 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it, and
an overwhelming majority of them believe that God one way or another
was involved in the creation of humanity, according to a new Gallup
poll.
The poll of 1,028 teenagers ages 13-17 found that 38 percent don't
believe in evolution, believing instead that "God created human beings
pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000
years or so." Another 43 percent believe that humans "developed over
millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided"
the process. All total, 81 percent believe that God was somehow
involved.
Only 18 percent believe that evolution took place without God playing
a role.
Mark Hartwig, a social research analyst for Focus on the Family, said
the poll underscores the fact that creation itself points to a
creator. Hartwig also serves as a fellow for the Discovery Institute's
Center for Science and Culture.
So, 62 percent of teens accepting evolution equates to a majority
supporting creationism?
Pass the snake oil, please.
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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10 Mar 2005 08:16:03 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
Mark Hartwig, a social research analyst for Focus on the Family, said
the poll underscores the fact that creation itself points to a
creator. Hartwig also serves as a fellow for the Discovery Institute's
Center for Science and Culture.
Hartwig is a total idiot undeserving of either being called a researcher
or an analyst if he "concludes" that an opinion poll somehow proves
creationism.
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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10 Mar 2005 01:10:44 AM |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:40:10 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it, and
an overwhelming majority of them believe that God one way or another
was involved in the creation of humanity, according to a new Gallup
poll.
The poll of 1,028 teenagers ages 13-17 found that 38 percent don't
believe in evolution, believing instead that "God created human beings
pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000
years or so." Another 43 percent believe that humans "developed over
millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided"
the process. All total, 81 percent believe that God was somehow
involved.
Only 18 percent believe that evolution took place without God playing
a role.
Mark Hartwig, a social research analyst for Focus on the Family, said
the poll underscores the fact that creation itself points to a
creator. Hartwig also serves as a fellow for the Discovery Institute's
Center for Science and Culture.
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Read it at http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=20311
This is the poll they are talking about ---> "Darwin or Divine? Teens'
Views on Origin of Species"
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/login.aspx?ci=15163
But you need an account at Gallup in order to read the whole thing.
Hartwig also says:
"You have to be educated into not seeing the design around you in the
natural world," he told Baptist Press. "... You have to be either
bullied or ... socialized out of it."
This is a prime example of the doublethink which ensnares so many
theists. He has turned the truth (and elementary logic) on its ear.
Babies are born atheist- that is to say they are born without an
innate belief in any gods whatsoever. They are then indoctrinated
(bullied, socialized, whatever) by family and society from the time
they mumble their first words into believing that gods exist.
Since atheism is the natural state of a newborn child. Therefore
Hartwig's claim is intrinsically untrue. You have to be educated
*into* seeing design.
Sadly, that's exactly the education that appears to be taking place.
The education that is not taking place is the education that counts,
such as the difference between the word "theory" in everyday parlance
and the term "theory" in scientific methodology, as I recently noted
in this post.
uhth219cjun4lia5knkq0l1n5dbri607rg@4ax.com
Hartwig (naturally the only source quoted in this particular piece of
propaganda) is correct about one thing: evolution "supporters" like
myself are definitely "pulling out their hair over these polls." But
not for the reason he thinks.
Will wonders never cease? It's stupefying that some people have such
a weak grasp of the patently obvious.
-Godfrey
"Faith is not a justification, but an admission that
there is no justification. If there are rational
reasons to believe something, then "faith" is
superfluous. If there are no rational reasons to
believe something, then continued belief is, by
definition, irrational."
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09 Mar 2005 11:25:09 PM |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:40:10 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--America's public schools may be teaching
evolution, but a significant number of teenagers aren't buying it, and
an overwhelming majority of them believe that God one way or another
was involved in the creation of humanity, according to a new Gallup
poll.
The poll of 1,028 teenagers ages 13-17 found that 38 percent don't
believe in evolution, believing instead that "God created human beings
pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000
years or so." Another 43 percent believe that humans "developed over
millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided"
the process. All total, 81 percent believe that God was somehow
involved.
Only 18 percent believe that evolution took place without God playing
a role.
Mark Hartwig, a social research analyst for Focus on the Family, said
the poll underscores the fact that creation itself points to a
creator. Hartwig also serves as a fellow for the Discovery Institute's
Center for Science and Culture.
A world in which man must rely on himself, in which
he is not the darling of the gods but only another,
albeit extraordinary, aspect of nature,
is by no means congenial to the immature.
- George Gaylord Simpson -
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J. Pieret
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In the name of the bee
And of the butterfly
And of the breeze, amen
- Emily Dickinson -
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