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"Jason Spaceman" |
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01 Feb 2005 02:42:46 AM |
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In the News: The Perils of Vedic 'Science' |
From the article:
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Under BJP rule, superstitions started getting described as science.
Hindu nationalists started invoking science in just about every speech
and policy statement. But while they uttered the word 'science'--which
in today's world is understood as modern science--they meant
astrology, vastu, Vedic creationism, transcendental meditation or
ayurveda. This was not just talk: state universities and colleges got
big grants from the government to offer post-graduate degrees,
including PhDs in astrology; research in vastu shastra, meditation,
faith-healing, cow-urine and priest-craft was promoted with
substantial injections of public money.
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Read it at http://www.beliefnet.com/story/77/story_7776_1.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Vedic |
01 Feb 2005 12:21:34 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Under BJP rule, superstitions started getting described as science.
Hindu nationalists started invoking science in just about every
speech
and policy statement. But while they uttered the word
'science'--which
in today's world is understood as modern science--they meant
astrology, vastu, Vedic creationism, transcendental meditation or
ayurveda. This was not just talk: state universities and colleges got
big grants from the government to offer post-graduate degrees,
including PhDs in astrology; research in vastu shastra, meditation,
faith-healing, cow-urine and priest-craft was promoted with
substantial injections of public money.
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Read it at http://www.beliefnet.com/story/77/story_7776_1.html
Vedic
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=Vedic&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&q=Vedic&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=Vedic&num=100&hl=en&lr=&output=search&cat=gwd/Top
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=Vedic&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
J. Spaceman
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| User: "josephus" |
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| Title: Re: Vedic |
08 Feb 2005 01:47:29 AM |
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Yep superstition and other fictions. In support of anti-science. By
choosing what was science 3000 years ago.
josephus
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: The Perils of Vedic 'Science' |
01 Feb 2005 06:50:46 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Under BJP rule, superstitions started getting described as science.
Hindu nationalists started invoking science in just about every speech
and policy statement. But while they uttered the word 'science'--which
in today's world is understood as modern science--they meant
astrology, vastu, Vedic creationism, transcendental meditation or
ayurveda. This was not just talk: state universities and colleges got
big grants from the government to offer post-graduate degrees,
including PhDs in astrology; research in vastu shastra, meditation,
faith-healing, cow-urine and priest-craft was promoted with
substantial injections of public money.
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Read it at http://www.beliefnet.com/story/77/story_7776_1.html
Yet for those ready to cry doom over crap in a few small places in the US on
creation, the BJP is now out of power, failing to stay in power in the first
vote after people saw what they were doing, and India's overall standing in
science is as high as ever, never went down at all.
Agreed vigilence is important but getting excited about a few fundie whackos is
unbecoming.
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I was amazed to learn how few people realize Israeli troops
occupy parts of Syria. You have to hand it to propagandists.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3358
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| User: "Friar Broccoli" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: The Perils of Vedic 'Science' |
01 Feb 2005 02:58:51 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
and policy statement. But while they uttered the word
'science'--which
in today's world is understood as modern science--they meant
astrology, vastu, Vedic creationism, transcendental meditation or
And what justification do YOU have for putting the word "science" in
quotation marks ?? They have a legitimate set of hypothesis, and want
them tested against the evidence. Surely this is something that all of
us here, creationists and evolutionists can agree on !!
Cordially;
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: The Perils of Vedic 'Science' |
01 Feb 2005 03:59:21 AM |
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Friar Broccoli <EliasRK@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
and policy statement. But while they uttered the word
'science'--which
in today's world is understood as modern science--they meant
astrology, vastu, Vedic creationism, transcendental meditation or
And what justification do YOU have for putting the word "science" in
quotation marks ?? They have a legitimate set of hypothesis, and want
them tested against the evidence. Surely this is something that all of
us here, creationists and evolutionists can agree on !!
Cordially;
When one is quoting someone else, as here, or mentioning a word rather
than using it, it is convention to surround it in typographical devices
of some kind, such as quotes. He explicitly notes, "while they uttered
the *word* 'science'".
But not everything that is capable of being tested is thereby science.
Testability is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for something
to be science. Certainly the sorts of things Hindu or any other kind of
religious fundamentalists call science is not actual modern science in
any sense. And astrology has already been tested and found wanting, even
as relaity-based, let alone as science.
--
John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
And John said, "Let there be lunch", and there was lunch.
And John tasted that it was good.
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| User: "LawsonE" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: The Perils of Vedic 'Science' |
01 Feb 2005 05:44:58 AM |
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"John Wilkins" <johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au> wrote in message
news:1grb860.1pth79z14d4ar9N%johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au...
Friar Broccoli <EliasRK@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
and policy statement. But while they uttered the word
'science'--which
in today's world is understood as modern science--they meant
astrology, vastu, Vedic creationism, transcendental meditation or
And what justification do YOU have for putting the word "science" in
quotation marks ?? They have a legitimate set of hypothesis, and want
them tested against the evidence. Surely this is something that all of
us here, creationists and evolutionists can agree on !!
Cordially;
When one is quoting someone else, as here, or mentioning a word rather
than using it, it is convention to surround it in typographical devices
of some kind, such as quotes. He explicitly notes, "while they uttered
the *word* 'science'".
But not everything that is capable of being tested is thereby science.
Testability is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for something
to be science. Certainly the sorts of things Hindu or any other kind of
religious fundamentalists call science is not actual modern science in
any sense. And astrology has already been tested and found wanting, even
as relaity-based, let alone as science.
BTW, Hindu Astrology isn't the same as Western. Also, which things do you
deem non-testable, seeing that you didn't bother to list any save
"Astrology" as though testing one set of claims tests them all...
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: The Perils of Vedic 'Science' |
02 Feb 2005 02:16:19 AM |
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"LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:FFELd.823$Tt.380@fed1read05:
"John Wilkins" <johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au> wrote in message
news:1grb860.1pth79z14d4ar9N%johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au...
Friar Broccoli <EliasRK@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
and policy statement. But while they uttered the word
'science'--which
in today's world is understood as modern science--they meant
astrology, vastu, Vedic creationism, transcendental meditation or
And what justification do YOU have for putting the word "science" in
quotation marks ?? They have a legitimate set of hypothesis, and
want them tested against the evidence. Surely this is something
that all of us here, creationists and evolutionists can agree on !!
Cordially;
When one is quoting someone else, as here, or mentioning a word
rather than using it, it is convention to surround it in
typographical devices of some kind, such as quotes. He explicitly
notes, "while they uttered the *word* 'science'".
But not everything that is capable of being tested is thereby
science. Testability is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition
for something to be science. Certainly the sorts of things Hindu or
any other kind of religious fundamentalists call science is not
actual modern science in any sense. And astrology has already been
tested and found wanting, even as relaity-based, let alone as
science.
BTW, Hindu Astrology isn't the same as Western. Also, which things do
you deem non-testable, seeing that you didn't bother to list any save
"Astrology" as though testing one set of claims tests them all...
And the difference matters how?
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit the bible.
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| User: "John Vreeland" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: The Perils of Vedic 'Science' |
01 Feb 2005 07:19:30 PM |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:44:58 -0700, "LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:
"John Wilkins" <johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au> wrote in message
news:1grb860.1pth79z14d4ar9N%johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au...
Friar Broccoli <EliasRK@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
and policy statement. But while they uttered the word
'science'--which
in today's world is understood as modern science--they meant
astrology, vastu, Vedic creationism, transcendental meditation or
And what justification do YOU have for putting the word "science" in
quotation marks ?? They have a legitimate set of hypothesis, and want
them tested against the evidence. Surely this is something that all of
us here, creationists and evolutionists can agree on !!
Cordially;
When one is quoting someone else, as here, or mentioning a word rather
than using it, it is convention to surround it in typographical devices
of some kind, such as quotes. He explicitly notes, "while they uttered
the *word* 'science'".
But not everything that is capable of being tested is thereby science.
Testability is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for something
to be science. Certainly the sorts of things Hindu or any other kind of
religious fundamentalists call science is not actual modern science in
any sense. And astrology has already been tested and found wanting, even
as relaity-based, let alone as science.
BTW, Hindu Astrology isn't the same as Western. Also, which things do you
deem non-testable, seeing that you didn't bother to list any save
"Astrology" as though testing one set of claims tests them all...
Is there such a thing as "Western" astrology? I thought it was all
adopted from either Egypt, China, or Babylonia.
I suppose the fact that new discoveries such as Pluto are supposed to
have an influence makes it all ours, now.
Jack V (Vreejack)
"Will future ages believe that such stupid bigotry ever existed!"--_Ivanhoe_
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: The Perils of Vedic 'Science' |
05 Feb 2005 05:41:02 AM |
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In article <1flvv0p0o6u677qqcn7hjrinj37ucq3aic@4ax.com>,
John Vreeland <vreejack@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Is there such a thing as "Western" astrology? I thought it was all
adopted from either Egypt, China, or Babylonia
<snip>
Egypt was the source of Greek culture as Thales of Militus specified.
And, of course, Babylonia is where the Hebrews learned monotheism and
became Jews. So these are about as Western as influences come. Chinese
astrology is something entirely different if equally effective.
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Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "josephus" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: The Perils of Vedic 'Science' |
06 Feb 2005 04:19:18 AM |
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Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <1flvv0p0o6u677qqcn7hjrinj37ucq3aic@4ax.com>,
John Vreeland <vreejack@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Is there such a thing as "Western" astrology? I thought it was all
adopted from either Egypt, China, or Babylonia
<snip>
Egypt was the source of Greek culture as Thales of Militus specified.
And, of course, Babylonia is where the Hebrews learned monotheism and
became Jews. So these are about as Western as influences come. Chinese
astrology is something entirely different if equally effective.
o please, just because it is not well know doesn't mnke it work any
better.
josephus
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: The Perils of Vedic 'Science' |
06 Feb 2005 06:31:42 AM |
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In article <aVgNd.1502$mG6.803@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
josephus <dogbird@earthlink.net> wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <1flvv0p0o6u677qqcn7hjrinj37ucq3aic@4ax.com>,
John Vreeland <vreejack@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Is there such a thing as "Western" astrology? I thought it was all
adopted from either Egypt, China, or Babylonia
<snip>
Egypt was the source of Greek culture as Thales of Militus specified.
And, of course, Babylonia is where the Hebrews learned monotheism and
became Jews. So these are about as Western as influences come. Chinese
astrology is something entirely different if equally effective.
o please, just because it is not well know doesn't mnke it work any
better.
josephus
Eh, did I imply either worked at all?
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Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "josephus" |
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06 Feb 2005 08:00:54 AM |
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Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <aVgNd.1502$mG6.803@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
josephus <dogbird@earthlink.net> wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <1flvv0p0o6u677qqcn7hjrinj37ucq3aic@4ax.com>,
John Vreeland <vreejack@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Is there such a thing as "Western" astrology? I thought it was all
adopted from either Egypt, China, or Babylonia
<snip>
Egypt was the source of Greek culture as Thales of Militus specified.
And, of course, Babylonia is where the Hebrews learned monotheism and
became Jews. So these are about as Western as influences come. Chinese
astrology is something entirely different if equally effective.
o please, just because it is not well know doesn't mnke it work any
better.
josephus
Eh, did I imply either worked at all?
sorry if I misunderstood. I tend to speed read and sometimes I miss.
Mea culpa.
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| User: "" |
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01 Feb 2005 07:37:59 PM |
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One of the more interesting aspects of this is that astrological
researchers at an Indian University are advocating an astrological
model to predict earthquakes.
IOW the indian government is funding bogus astrology at its schools,
but didn't pay for an Indian Ocean Tsunami Monitoring/Alert system.
Lesson, astrology and pseudoscience kills.
Vedic "science" is not science. It primarily consists of taking stuff
in old vedic texts and trying to work them out as science. A god
firing an iron bolt at his enemies becomes a missile. A city being
destroyed by a god becomes a nuclear holocaust.
below is an interesting, and long, example of the problems with it
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread111071/pg1
"Proof: Advanced Ancient Indian Civilization existed"
The main advocate states that ancient indians had mercury powered
atomic drives and war fleets of super advanced jets that rained nuclear
terror and weapons that sought out thoughts and identified targets and
all the rest.
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