Religions > Atheism > In the News: Thinking Straighter: Why the world's most famous atheist now believes in God.
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09 Apr 2005 01:07:53 AM |
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In the News: Thinking Straighter: Why the world's most famous atheist now believes in God. |
From the article:
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he was still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists. By early 2004 he
had made the move to deism. Surprisingly, he gives first place to Aristotle in
having the most significant impact on him. "I was not a specialist on
Aristotle, so I was reading parts of his philosophy for the first time." He was
aided in this by The Rediscovery of Wisdom, a work on Aristotle by David
Conway, one of Flew's former students.
Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli physicist, and Roy
Abraham Varghese, author of The Wonder of the World and an Eastern Rite
Catholic. Flew appeared with both scientists at a New York symposium last May
where he acknowledged his changed conviction about the necessity for a Creator.
In the broader picture, both Varghese and Schroeder, author of The Hidden Face
of God, argue from the fine-tuning of the universe that it is impossible to
explain the origin of life without God. This forms the substance of what led
Flew to move away from Darwinian naturalism.
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Read it at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/004/29.80.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Rev Dr Lenny Flank" |
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09 Apr 2005 01:54:24 AM |
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for
several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he
was >still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists.
I see. So the purpose of ID "theory" is to convert atheists to theism.
Got it.
Any IDers willing to travel to Dover to testify to that in court under
oath?
<sigh> This case is going to be SUCH a slam dunk.
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Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation email list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation/
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| User: "Mitchell Coffey" |
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09 Apr 2005 05:48:45 AM |
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On 8 Apr 2005 18:54:24 -0700, "'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank" <lflank@ij.net>
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for
several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he
was >still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists.
I see. So the purpose of ID "theory" is to convert atheists to theism.
Got it.
Any IDers willing to travel to Dover to testify to that in court under
oath?
<sigh> This case is going to be SUCH a slam dunk.
[snip]
Establishing the truth? Of course. Getting a judge to understand?
<sigh>
Mitchell Coffey
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| User: "dangdangdoodle2" |
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09 Apr 2005 06:58:37 AM |
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AFAIC atheism is more about taking back the power to choose what to
think and then choosing to base your beliefs on reality.
Now the jerko sheep accoustomed to looking for direction from who's in
charge wrongly assume that atheists are blind followers like themselves,
so they think posting about some misguided dufus(Flew) on his crooked
path will influence others here.
Don't waste your time.
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the dang
In article <ONudndnsKfrqscrfRVn-qg@rogers.com>,
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he was
still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Apr 2005 07:05:06 PM |
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In our last episode <ONudndnsKfrqscrfRVn-qg@rogers.com>, Jason Spaceman
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder
"Flew also makes another admission: 'I have been mistaught by Gerald
Schroeder.'"
http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=369
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "k_ate" |
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09 Apr 2005 02:25:22 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for
several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he
was still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists. By
early 2004 he
had made the move to deism. Surprisingly, he gives first place to
Aristotle in
having the most significant impact on him. "I was not a specialist on
Aristotle, so I was reading parts of his philosophy for the first
time." He was
aided in this by The Rediscovery of Wisdom, a work on Aristotle by
David
Conway, one of Flew's former students.
Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli
physicist, and Roy
Abraham Varghese, author of The Wonder of the World and an Eastern
Rite
Catholic. Flew appeared with both scientists at a New York symposium
last May
where he acknowledged his changed conviction about the necessity for
a Creator.
In the broader picture, both Varghese and Schroeder, author of The
Hidden Face
of God, argue from the fine-tuning of the universe that it is
impossible to
explain the origin of life without God. This forms the substance of
what led
Flew to move away from Darwinian naturalism.
-----------------------------------
Read it at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/004/29.80.html
J. Spaceman
--
My email address (notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org) is fake. Email
sent to it
will only get caught in my spam tarpit.
can you cite the bible on non-belief? that is, people who worship
nothing. iirc, it isn't a topic that's addressed much.
k_ate
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| User: "scooter" |
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10 Apr 2005 02:19:48 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for
several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he
was still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists. By
early 2004 he
had made the move to deism. Surprisingly, he gives first place to
Aristotle in
having the most significant impact on him. "I was not a specialist on
Aristotle, so I was reading parts of his philosophy for the first
time." He was
aided in this by The Rediscovery of Wisdom, a work on Aristotle by
David
Conway, one of Flew's former students.
Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli
physicist, and Roy
Abraham Varghese, author of The Wonder of the World and an Eastern
Rite
Catholic. Flew appeared with both scientists at a New York symposium
last May
where he acknowledged his changed conviction about the necessity for
a Creator.
In the broader picture, both Varghese and Schroeder, author of The
Hidden Face
of God, argue from the fine-tuning of the universe that it is
impossible to
explain the origin of life without God. This forms the substance of
what led
Flew to move away from Darwinian naturalism.
-----------------------------------
Read it at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/004/29.80.html
J. Spaceman
--
My email address (notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org) is fake. Email
sent to it
will only get caught in my spam tarpit.
I really enjoy the self-affirming title of "Thinking Straighter". It's
difficult work believing in invisable myths. Discipline is what is
expected of the community of Christians. The social discipline in their
language is necessary in controlling social behavior--especially when
control is incumbant on believing in an all powerful invisable guy that
no one has ever seen.
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| User: "Ash" |
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09 Apr 2005 10:24:56 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he was still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists. By early 2004 he
had made the move to deism. Surprisingly, he gives first place to Aristotle in
having the most significant impact on him. "I was not a specialist on
Aristotle, so I was reading parts of his philosophy for the first time." He was
aided in this by The Rediscovery of Wisdom, a work on Aristotle by David
Conway, one of Flew's former students.
Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli physicist, and Roy
Abraham Varghese, author of The Wonder of the World and an Eastern Rite
Catholic. Flew appeared with both scientists at a New York symposium last May
where he acknowledged his changed conviction about the necessity for a Creator.
In the broader picture, both Varghese and Schroeder, author of The Hidden Face
of God, argue from the fine-tuning of the universe that it is impossible to
explain the origin of life without God. This forms the substance of what led
Flew to move away from Darwinian naturalism.
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How the ***** did you get out you mendacious hypocritical sack of *****?
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| User: "Ash" |
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09 Apr 2005 10:30:27 AM |
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Ash wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
reply to cancelled message
Doh!!!!!
I thought that was Gastrich
Doh again
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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09 Apr 2005 04:15:35 PM |
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Ash wrote:
Ash wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
reply to cancelled message
Doh!!!!!
I thought that was Gastrich
Doh again
Did he get locked up at the zoo?
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"God Forbid we should actually test anything."
Creationism
"The curses of Deuteronomy 28 will plague America until we return to God
(Ps 9:17). Wealth and military might are not substitutes for God-given
character and blessing. Freedom comes, not from democracy, but Jesus
Christ. The outline below lists our wars & keys to victory. May God lead
us in the strategic and tactical prayers that are required!"
Capitol Hill Action Network, 2005
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| User: "Ash" |
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09 Apr 2005 05:56:05 PM |
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Pithecanthropus Erectus wrote:
Ash wrote:
Ash wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
reply to cancelled message
Doh!!!!!
I thought that was Gastrich
Doh again
Did he get locked up at the zoo?
lol, I just saw a message form a Jason pushing the Flew crap again so I
abused him. I really should be more careful. The other Jason got
locked up in my killfile
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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09 Apr 2005 06:13:07 PM |
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Ash wrote:
Pithecanthropus Erectus wrote:
Ash wrote:
Ash wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
reply to cancelled message
Doh!!!!!
I thought that was Gastrich
Doh again
Did he get locked up at the zoo?
lol, I just saw a message form a Jason pushing the Flew crap again so I
abused him. I really should be more careful. The other Jason got
locked up in my killfile
Don't put Dr. Gastrich in your killfile. He is just about to explain
how 8 people could take care of all the animals and plants in the San
Diego Zoo for a year.
Isn't he?
--
"God Forbid we should actually test anything."
Creationism
"The curses of Deuteronomy 28 will plague America until we return to God
(Ps 9:17). Wealth and military might are not substitutes for God-given
character and blessing. Freedom comes, not from democracy, but Jesus
Christ. The outline below lists our wars & keys to victory. May God lead
us in the strategic and tactical prayers that are required!"
Capitol Hill Action Network, 2005
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| User: "Dana Tweedy" |
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09 Apr 2005 10:27:11 PM |
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"Pithecanthropus Erectus" <tuibguy1EGNUM@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hY6dnd0Zad-vhsXfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
snipping
lol, I just saw a message form a Jason pushing the Flew crap again so I
abused him. I really should be more careful. The other Jason got
locked up in my killfile
Don't put Dr. Gastrich in your killfile. He is just about to explain
how 8 people could take care of all the animals and plants in the San
Diego Zoo for a year.
Isn't he?
What I found amusing was Gastrich first claimed there were only a few
hundred animals on the Ark. When asked to back that up, he cited
Woodmorappe's book, even though Woodmorappe states there were closer to
16,000 animals on the Ark (which is still a gross understatement) . When
it was pointed out to him that his own source gives a number much greater
than any 8 people could take care of, he tried to claim that animals
hibernate under extreme enviromental stress. When it was pointed out that
most animals under stress do not not hiberate, but die, he conceded that
maybe God invervened with a handy miracle or two.
I predict Jason will return at some point, and pretend that particular
exchange never happened.
DJT
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10 Apr 2005 02:59:07 AM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:27:11 GMT,
Dana Tweedy <reddfrogg@nospam.net> wrote:
I predict Jason will return at some point, and pretend that particular
exchange never happened.
I'm looking forward to it, but he was humiliated so badly on his last few
visits, not to mention the whole debunking of his "Doctorate" that I suspect
he won't be coming back very soon.
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mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "Stefan Kruithof" |
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15 Apr 2005 08:26:36 PM |
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrnd5h5jr.h3h.mightymartianca@ministry.of.silly.walks>...
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:27:11 GMT,
Dana Tweedy <reddfrogg@nospam.net> wrote:
I predict Jason will return at some point, and pretend that particular
exchange never happened.
I'm looking forward to it, but he was humiliated so badly on his last few
visits, not to mention the whole debunking of his "Doctorate" that I suspect
he won't be coming back very soon.
Jason has a doctorate? Or do you mean he was planning to get one?
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| User: "Add 3 Inches To Your Clayton In Just 5 Days" |
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15 Apr 2005 10:35:06 PM |
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"Stefan Kruithof" <stefankruithof@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b5c74326.0504151226.30009afa@posting.google.com...
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<slrnd5h5jr.h3h.mightymartianca@ministry.of.silly.walks>...
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:27:11 GMT,
Dana Tweedy <reddfrogg@nospam.net> wrote:
I predict Jason will return at some point, and pretend that
particular
exchange never happened.
I'm looking forward to it, but he was humiliated so badly on his last
few
visits, not to mention the whole debunking of his "Doctorate" that I
suspect
he won't be coming back very soon.
Jason has a doctorate? Or do you mean he was planning to get one?
No, it's a fake one from a Christian diploma mill....isn't worth the paper
it's written on!
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| User: "AC" |
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16 Apr 2005 05:28:10 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:35:06 +1000,
Add 3 Inches To Your Clayton In Just 5 Days <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote:
"Stefan Kruithof" <stefankruithof@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b5c74326.0504151226.30009afa@posting.google.com...
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<slrnd5h5jr.h3h.mightymartianca@ministry.of.silly.walks>...
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:27:11 GMT,
Dana Tweedy <reddfrogg@nospam.net> wrote:
I predict Jason will return at some point, and pretend that
particular
exchange never happened.
I'm looking forward to it, but he was humiliated so badly on his last
few
visits, not to mention the whole debunking of his "Doctorate" that I
suspect
he won't be coming back very soon.
Jason has a doctorate? Or do you mean he was planning to get one?
No, it's a fake one from a Christian diploma mill....isn't worth the paper
it's written on!
No kidding. It's not even edible.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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15 Apr 2005 09:20:38 PM |
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Stefan Kruithof wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrnd5h5jr.h3h.mightymartianca@ministry.of.silly.walks>...
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:27:11 GMT,
Dana Tweedy <reddfrogg@nospam.net> wrote:
I predict Jason will return at some point, and pretend that particular
exchange never happened.
I'm looking forward to it, but he was humiliated so badly on his last few
visits, not to mention the whole debunking of his "Doctorate" that I suspect
he won't be coming back very soon.
Jason has a doctorate? Or do you mean he was planning to get one?
I think one of his friends gave it him
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| User: "Ash" |
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09 Apr 2005 10:30:04 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he was still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists. By early 2004 he
had made the move to deism. Surprisingly, he gives first place to Aristotle in
having the most significant impact on him. "I was not a specialist on
Aristotle, so I was reading parts of his philosophy for the first time." He was
aided in this by The Rediscovery of Wisdom, a work on Aristotle by David
Conway, one of Flew's former students.
Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli physicist, and Roy
Abraham Varghese, author of The Wonder of the World and an Eastern Rite
Catholic. Flew appeared with both scientists at a New York symposium last May
where he acknowledged his changed conviction about the necessity for a Creator.
In the broader picture, both Varghese and Schroeder, author of The Hidden Face
of God, argue from the fine-tuning of the universe that it is impossible to
explain the origin of life without God. This forms the substance of what led
Flew to move away from Darwinian naturalism.
-----------------------------------
Read it at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/004/29.80.html
J. Spaceman
doh
I replied and tried to cancel the meassage, but apologies to anyone for
who that did not work
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| User: "j" |
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09 Apr 2005 04:13:36 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
...Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli
physicist...
The latest update apparently has the following:
"Flew also makes another admission: 'I have been mistaught by Gerald
Schroeder."
From http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=369 (scroll to the bottom)
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| User: "Mitchell Coffey" |
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09 Apr 2005 05:45:05 AM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:07:53 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he was still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists. By early 2004 he
had made the move to deism. Surprisingly, he gives first place to Aristotle in
having the most significant impact on him. "I was not a specialist on
Aristotle, so I was reading parts of his philosophy for the first time." He was
aided in this by The Rediscovery of Wisdom, a work on Aristotle by David
Conway, one of Flew's former students.
Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli physicist, and Roy
Abraham Varghese, author of The Wonder of the World and an Eastern Rite
Catholic. Flew appeared with both scientists at a New York symposium last May
where he acknowledged his changed conviction about the necessity for a Creator.
In the broader picture, both Varghese and Schroeder, author of The Hidden Face
of God, argue from the fine-tuning of the universe that it is impossible to
explain the origin of life without God. This forms the substance of what led
Flew to move away from Darwinian naturalism.
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Read it at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/004/29.80.html
If he's so famous, how come I never heard of him until he exposed his
ignorance of science for all to see?
Mitchell Coffey
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09 Apr 2005 08:53:23 AM |
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Mitchell Coffey wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:07:53 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for
several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he
was still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists. By
early 2004 he
had made the move to deism. Surprisingly, he gives first place to
Aristotle in
having the most significant impact on him. "I was not a specialist
on
Aristotle, so I was reading parts of his philosophy for the first
time." He was
aided in this by The Rediscovery of Wisdom, a work on Aristotle by
David
Conway, one of Flew's former students.
Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli
physicist, and Roy
Abraham Varghese, author of The Wonder of the World and an Eastern
Rite
Catholic. Flew appeared with both scientists at a New York symposium
last May
where he acknowledged his changed conviction about the necessity for
a Creator.
In the broader picture, both Varghese and Schroeder, author of The
Hidden Face
of God, argue from the fine-tuning of the universe that it is
impossible to
explain the origin of life without God. This forms the substance of
what led
Flew to move away from Darwinian naturalism.
-----------------------------------
Read it at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/004/29.80.html
If he's so famous, how come I never heard of him until he exposed his
ignorance of science for all to see?
I was going to ask the same.
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09 Apr 2005 09:02:13 AM |
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On 9 Apr 2005 01:53:23 -0700, "The Last Conformist"
<andreasj@gmail.com> wrote:
Mitchell Coffey wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:07:53 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for
several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he
was still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists. By
early 2004 he
had made the move to deism. Surprisingly, he gives first place to
Aristotle in
having the most significant impact on him. "I was not a specialist
on
Aristotle, so I was reading parts of his philosophy for the first
time." He was
aided in this by The Rediscovery of Wisdom, a work on Aristotle by
David
Conway, one of Flew's former students.
Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli
physicist, and Roy
Abraham Varghese, author of The Wonder of the World and an Eastern
Rite
Catholic. Flew appeared with both scientists at a New York symposium
last May
where he acknowledged his changed conviction about the necessity for
a Creator.
In the broader picture, both Varghese and Schroeder, author of The
Hidden Face
of God, argue from the fine-tuning of the universe that it is
impossible to
explain the origin of life without God. This forms the substance of
what led
Flew to move away from Darwinian naturalism.
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Read it at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/004/29.80.html
If he's so famous, how come I never heard of him until he exposed his
ignorance of science for all to see?
I was going to ask the same.
I'd think that George Carlin and Howard Stern are a bit more famous
than Flew as far as atheists are concerned.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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09 Apr 2005 05:07:29 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:02:13 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
I'd think that George Carlin and Howard Stern are a bit more famous
than Flew as far as atheists are concerned.
Jesse Ventura, pro wrestler, movie star, and Governor of Minnesota?
I think a few more people might have heard of him than some British
toff.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Ian Braidwood" |
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10 Apr 2005 08:19:15 AM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:02:13 GMT, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
drunkenly
proclaimed the following
I'd think that George Carlin and Howard Stern are a bit more famous
than Flew as far as atheists are concerned.
Jesse Ventura, pro wrestler, movie star, and Governor of Minnesota?
I think a few more people might have heard of him than some British
toff.
Which is why you had to explain what he did to be so famous, I suppose.
Mind you, it just shows how the rest of the world is the sticks
compared with the USA, because I'd never heard of him and I don't know
how I survived not knowing the name of a pro wrestler.
As for the world's most famous atheist, surely that's got to be Richard
Dawkins?
Just reminding you Yanks that the rest of us are out here.
(-: Ian :-)
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| User: "raven1" |
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10 Apr 2005 09:17:31 AM |
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On 10 Apr 2005 01:19:15 -0700, "Ian Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>
wrote:
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:02:13 GMT, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
drunkenly
proclaimed the following
I'd think that George Carlin and Howard Stern are a bit more famous
than Flew as far as atheists are concerned.
Jesse Ventura, pro wrestler, movie star, and Governor of Minnesota?
I think a few more people might have heard of him than some British
toff.
Which is why you had to explain what he did to be so famous, I suppose.
Mind you, it just shows how the rest of the world is the sticks
compared with the USA, because I'd never heard of him and I don't know
how I survived not knowing the name of a pro wrestler.
As for the world's most famous atheist, surely that's got to be Richard
Dawkins?
Just reminding you Yanks that the rest of us are out here.
Not to pull for us 'merkins specifically here, Ian, but I'd think
that, say, Billy Joel is a tad more famous world-wide than Dawkins is
as far as prominent atheists are concerned...
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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10 Apr 2005 04:20:37 PM |
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In article <g9sh51dh448grpt1g56p5j8hmgo9ocv072@4ax.com>,
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 10 Apr 2005 01:19:15 -0700, "Ian Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>
wrote:
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:02:13 GMT, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
drunkenly
proclaimed the following
I'd think that George Carlin and Howard Stern are a bit more famous
than Flew as far as atheists are concerned.
Jesse Ventura, pro wrestler, movie star, and Governor of Minnesota?
I think a few more people might have heard of him than some British
toff.
Which is why you had to explain what he did to be so famous, I suppose.
Mind you, it just shows how the rest of the world is the sticks
compared with the USA, because I'd never heard of him and I don't know
how I survived not knowing the name of a pro wrestler.
As for the world's most famous atheist, surely that's got to be Richard
Dawkins?
Just reminding you Yanks that the rest of us are out here.
Not to pull for us 'merkins specifically here, Ian, but I'd think
that, say, Billy Joel is a tad more famous world-wide than Dawkins is
as far as prominent atheists are concerned...
Yes, yes... along with Carlin, Stern, Penn Jillette. But those guys are
atheists who are famous for some other reason.
Now that Madalyn Murry O'Hair is dead, I think Dawkins is probably the
most famous person who's famous mostly for being an atheist.
- Felix
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| User: "Ian Braidwood" |
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11 Apr 2005 07:58:45 AM |
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It's good news that BJ is an atheist, because I always thought he was
samarter than the average 'merkin. However, are you sure you're right
in assuming BJ is better known than RD. After all, BJ may have sold a
lot of records, but RD has sold a lot of books and good books just keep
selling, instead of fading away...
(-: Ian :-)
PS: I know the ellipsis isn't good punctuation, but it seemed
appropriate on a poetic level, okay? :-)
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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11 Apr 2005 08:09:22 AM |
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On 11 Apr 2005 00:58:45 -0700 in alt.atheism, Ian Braidwood ("Ian
Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
It's good news that BJ is an atheist, because I always thought he was
samarter than the average 'merkin. However, are you sure you're right
in assuming BJ is better known than RD. After all, BJ may have sold a
lot of records, but RD has sold a lot of books and good books just keep
selling, instead of fading away...
(-: Ian :-)
PS: I know the ellipsis isn't good punctuation, but it seemed
appropriate on a poetic level, okay? :-)
Once upon a midnight (dreary) while I pondered (weak and weary)
Over many a quaint and curious volume of (forgotten) lore,
While I nodded (nearly napping) suddenly there came a tapping,
As of someone (gently) rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
" 'Tis some visitor," I muttered, "tapping at my chamber door;
Only this, and (nothing more).
With apologies to E. A. Poe.
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| User: "John S. Wilkins" |
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10 Apr 2005 12:44:59 AM |
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Mitchell Coffey wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:07:53 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he was still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists. By early 2004 he
had made the move to deism. Surprisingly, he gives first place to Aristotle in
having the most significant impact on him. "I was not a specialist on
Aristotle, so I was reading parts of his philosophy for the first time." He was
aided in this by The Rediscovery of Wisdom, a work on Aristotle by David
Conway, one of Flew's former students.
Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli physicist, and Roy
Abraham Varghese, author of The Wonder of the World and an Eastern Rite
Catholic. Flew appeared with both scientists at a New York symposium last May
where he acknowledged his changed conviction about the necessity for a Creator.
In the broader picture, both Varghese and Schroeder, author of The Hidden Face
of God, argue from the fine-tuning of the universe that it is impossible to
explain the origin of life without God. This forms the substance of what led
Flew to move away from Darwinian naturalism.
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Read it at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/004/29.80.html
If he's so famous, how come I never heard of him until he exposed his
ignorance of science for all to see?
Mitchell Coffey
*Sigh* Again, I note that Flew is one of the main philosophical
thinkers, particularly famous in philosophy of religion and thus in
theology, of the past century. His paper "Theology and Falsification" in
1955 set up a real problem for revelatory and faith-based theology.
It's online here
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/antony_flew/theologyandfalsification.html
Flew is regarded as a good thinker - *I* so regard him. He made a big
mistake in this case (and we are still waiting to see his book) but that
does not detract from his real contributions.
http://www.mises.org/schlarbaum/flew.asp
--
John S. Wilkins
Postdoctoral Research Fellow
Biohumanities Project
School of History, Philosophy, Religion and Classics
The University of Queensland
Brisbane, QLD 4072, Australia
Tel +61 7 3365 6348
Mobile 0418 543 856
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| User: "Jeffrey Turner" |
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10 Apr 2005 01:35:22 AM |
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John S. Wilkins wrote:
Mitchell Coffey wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:07:53 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for several
years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he was still
an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists. By early 2004 he
had made the move to deism. Surprisingly, he gives first place to Aristotle in
having the most significant impact on him. "I was not a specialist on
Aristotle, so I was reading parts of his philosophy for the first time." He was
aided in this by The Rediscovery of Wisdom, a work on Aristotle by David
Conway, one of Flew's former students.
Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli physicist, and Roy
Abraham Varghese, author of The Wonder of the World and an Eastern Rite
Catholic. Flew appeared with both scientists at a New York symposium last May
where he acknowledged his changed conviction about the necessity for a Creator.
In the broader picture, both Varghese and Schroeder, author of The Hidden Face
of God, argue from the fine-tuning of the universe that it is impossible to
explain the origin of life without God. This forms the substance of what led
Flew to move away from Darwinian naturalism.
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Read it at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/004/29.80.html
If he's so famous, how come I never heard of him until he exposed his
ignorance of science for all to see?
Mitchell Coffey
*Sigh* Again, I note that Flew is one of the main philosophical
thinkers, particularly famous in philosophy of religion and thus in
theology, of the past century. His paper "Theology and Falsification" in
1955 set up a real problem for revelatory and faith-based theology.
It's online here
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/antony_flew/theologyandfalsification.html
That was earth-shattering? Had all the decent philosophers been
killed in WWII? I'm sure I could pull quotes from half a
century previous by Twain about the perfidy of "Our Heavenly
Father." If you give two footnotes to the equivalence of an
assertion and its double negation, you obviously have too much
space and not enough to say - not easy in a five paragraph text.
--Jeff
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Loyalty to the country always, loyalty
to the government when it deserves it.
--Mark Twain
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