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"Jason Spaceman" |
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05 May 2005 08:47:18 PM |
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In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
From the article:
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But Irigonegaray repeatedly attacked Harris' assertion that the
majority's proposed standards stifle criticism of evolution in the
classroom.
Irigonegaray asked him, referring to the majority proposal: "Where in
the standards does it say teachers and students cannot discuss
criticism of evolution?"
Harris replied: "It doesn't say that. I think it's implicit."
Charles Thaxton, who lives near Atlanta but is a visiting assistant
professor of chemistry at the Charles University in the Czech
Republic, presented another criticism of evolution. He testified that
there's no evidence that life formed from a primordial soup.
The "primordial soup" issue often comes up in the debate over teaching
evolution, but scientific theorists have pointed out that evolutionary
theory focuses on biological change over time rather than the chemical
origins of life. During the hearing, Irigonegaray asked Thaxton
whether he accepted the theory that humans and apes had a common
ancestor.
"Personally, I do not," Thaxton said. "I'm not an expert on this. I
don't study this."
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Read it at http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7749688/
J. Spaceman
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
06 May 2005 03:51:18 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
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Charles Thaxton, who lives near Atlanta but is a visiting assistant
professor of chemistry at the Charles University in the Czech
Republic, presented another criticism of evolution. He testified that
there's no evidence that life formed from a primordial soup.
This clown is a "professor" and he doesn't read the science
page in the newspaper or any journals? *I* know that life
has been created from nothing twice in the lab in the last
six years, and *he* doesn't?
During the hearing, Irigonegaray asked Thaxton
whether he accepted the theory that humans and apes had a common
ancestor.
"Personally, I do not," Thaxton said. "I'm not an expert on this. I
don't study this."
Translated: "La la la, I can't hear the facts for the fingers
in my ears!"
Bob Dog
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now crash more than twice each day."
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| User: "Steve Schaffner" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
07 May 2005 06:15:37 PM |
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writes:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
<snip>
Charles Thaxton, who lives near Atlanta but is a visiting assistant
professor of chemistry at the Charles University in the Czech
Republic, presented another criticism of evolution. He testified that
there's no evidence that life formed from a primordial soup.
This clown is a "professor" and he doesn't read the science
page in the newspaper or any journals? *I* know that life
has been created from nothing twice in the lab in the last
six years, and *he* doesn't?
Thaxton may not know much about the subject, but he seems to know more
than you do. No one has created life in the lab -- or at least if
they have, they aren't talking about it.
--
Steve Schaffner
Immediate assurance is an excellent sign of probable lack of
insight into the topic. Josiah Royce
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| User: "Dan Clore" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
07 May 2005 08:41:02 PM |
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Steve Schaffner wrote:
bg12345@apexmail.com writes:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
Charles Thaxton, who lives near Atlanta but is a visiting assistant
professor of chemistry at the Charles University in the Czech
Republic, presented another criticism of evolution. He testified that
there's no evidence that life formed from a primordial soup.
This clown is a "professor" and he doesn't read the science
page in the newspaper or any journals? *I* know that life
has been created from nothing twice in the lab in the last
six years, and *he* doesn't?
Thaxton may not know much about the subject, but he seems to know more
than you do. No one has created life in the lab -- or at least if
they have, they aren't talking about it.
"It's alive! It's alive!"
-- Famous scientist
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| User: "Noone Inparticular" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
06 May 2005 03:31:03 PM |
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wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
<snip>
Charles Thaxton, who lives near Atlanta but is a visiting assistant
professor of chemistry at the Charles University in the Czech
Republic, presented another criticism of evolution. He testified
that
there's no evidence that life formed from a primordial soup.
This clown is a "professor" and he doesn't read the science
page in the newspaper or any journals? *I* know that life
has been created from nothing twice in the lab in the last
six years, and *he* doesn't?
Huh? Citation, please.
During the hearing, Irigonegaray asked Thaxton
whether he accepted the theory that humans and apes had a common
ancestor.
"Personally, I do not," Thaxton said. "I'm not an expert on this. I
don't study this."
Translated: "La la la, I can't hear the facts for the fingers
in my ears!"
Bob Dog
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"Mr. Gates acknowledged today that the company's error reporting
service indicated that 5 percent of all Windows-based computers
now crash more than twice each day."
- New York Times, 25 July 2003, p.C2.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
07 May 2005 04:22:07 AM |
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http://newsrelease.uwaterloo.ca/news.php?id=4348
Life created from nothing in the lab twice in the last 6 years.
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| User: "Boikat" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
07 May 2005 05:01:52 AM |
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<nitin_paul_batra@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1115457727.397952.165650@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
http://newsrelease.uwaterloo.ca/news.php?id=4348
Life created from nothing in the lab twice in the last 6 years.
Umm, "..the building blocks of life.." That's not quite the same thing.
Boikat
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
07 May 2005 05:33:26 AM |
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wrote:
http://newsrelease.uwaterloo.ca/news.php?id=4348
Life created from nothing in the lab twice in the last 6 years.
That's not what that link says, and frankly, I'm at a loss to know what
you mean by this. Sidney Fox's proteinoid spheres meet some of the
criteria for life, but there is nothing that meets all of them, yet.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
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| User: "Ian H Spedding" |
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07 May 2005 02:10:38 PM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
nitin_paul_batra@hotmail.com wrote:
http://newsrelease.uwaterloo.ca/news.php?id=4348
Life created from nothing in the lab twice in the last 6 years.
That's not what that link says, and frankly, I'm at a loss to know
what
you mean by this. Sidney Fox's proteinoid spheres meet some of the
criteria for life, but there is nothing that meets all of them, yet.
"Protenoid spheres"? Is that the biologist's way of saying it's a load
of balls?
Ian
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| User: "Noone Inparticular" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
09 May 2005 11:43:12 AM |
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wrote:
http://newsrelease.uwaterloo.ca/news.php?id=4348
Life created from nothing in the lab twice in the last 6 years.
This says no such thing. If you think the studies which are reported on
here suggest that life was created in the lab, I am afraid that you
have profoundly misunderstood what was found.
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| User: "Emma Pease" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
06 May 2005 02:58:00 PM |
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In article <1115369478.270083.19260@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
<snip>
Charles Thaxton, who lives near Atlanta but is a visiting assistant
professor of chemistry at the Charles University in the Czech
Republic, presented another criticism of evolution. He testified that
there's no evidence that life formed from a primordial soup.
This clown is a "professor" and he doesn't read the science
page in the newspaper or any journals? *I* know that life
has been created from nothing twice in the lab in the last
six years, and *he* doesn't?
To be exact the wording is _visiting_ assistant professor, other web
sites say "visiting faculty" or "visiting professor". For some it is
for Chemistry and others Natural Sciences. Other sites drop
"visiting". We don't know the standards used at Charles University for
giving such titles or even what the exact title is (note that the
title in English would be a translation).[1]
"He has held appointments at Slovak Technical University in Bratislava,
Czechoslovakia, the Biomathematical Institute in Craiova, Romania, and
at Charles University in Prague, where he was a Templeton scholar in
the department of natural sciences."
From the Discovery web site (using google cache since a direct link
didn't come up)
Note "Templeton Scholar" which probably means the Templeton Foundation
http://www.templeton.org/ a religiously oriented foundation interested
in science though I couldn't find Thaxton on their web site.
Google found four instances of Thaxton on the University site cuni.cz
and only in caches. Unfortunately the info was in Czech though it
does seem to indicate he has (or had) some sort of position (probably
honorary).
Hostuj\'ic\'i profesori UK od r. r. 1994
Tituly, jm\'eno, pr\'ijmen\'i Fakulta: Jmenov\'an:
Pracoviste
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Charles B. Thaxton, PhD. PrF 10. 6. 1996
Konos Connection Praha
Thaxton does seem to be a missionary for ID (and his brand of
Christianity) in Eastern Europe so it is not odd that his appointments
seem to be in those countries.
Emma
followup set
[1] For instance at Stanford I would give some weight to a 'visiting
professor' title but not to a 'visiting scholar' title since I know
some departments are quite lax in their standards in giving the latter
but the former requires some more paperwork and approvals.
--
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|\* | Emma Pease Net Spinster
|_\/ Die Luft der Freiheit weht
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| User: "Ian H Spedding" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
07 May 2005 04:11:24 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
[...]
The "primordial soup" issue often comes up in the debate over
teaching
evolution, but scientific theorists have pointed out that
evolutionary
theory focuses on biological change over time rather than the
chemical
origins of life. During the hearing, Irigonegaray asked Thaxton
whether he accepted the theory that humans and apes had a common
ancestor.
"Personally, I do not," Thaxton said. "I'm not an expert on this. I
don't study this."
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Read it at http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7749688/
[...]
"Drummond: What do you think?
Brady: I do not think about things that I do not think about.
Drummond: Do you ever think about things that you do thing about?!"
--Inherit The Wind
Ian
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Ian H Spedding
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| User: "Steve Schaffner" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
07 May 2005 06:20:26 PM |
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"Ian H Spedding" <ian.spedding@homecall.co.uk> writes:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
[...]
The "primordial soup" issue often comes up in the debate over
teaching
evolution, but scientific theorists have pointed out that
evolutionary
theory focuses on biological change over time rather than the
chemical
origins of life. During the hearing, Irigonegaray asked Thaxton
whether he accepted the theory that humans and apes had a common
ancestor.
"Personally, I do not," Thaxton said. "I'm not an expert on this. I
don't study this."
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Read it at http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7749688/
[...]
"Drummond: What do you think?
Brady: I do not think about things that I do not think about.
Drummond: Do you ever think about things that you do thing about?!"
--Inherit The Wind
From the trial record:
Darrow: What do you think?
Bryan: I do not think about things I don't think about.
Darrow: Do you think about things you do think about?
Bryan: Well, sometimes.
--
Steve Schaffner
Immediate assurance is an excellent sign of probable lack of
insight into the topic. Josiah Royce
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| User: "Rev Dr Lenny Flank" |
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| Title: Re: In the News: Witnesses criticize how evolution is taught |
05 May 2005 09:07:59 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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But Irigonegaray repeatedly attacked Harris' assertion that the
majority's proposed standards stifle criticism of evolution in the
classroom.
Irigonegaray asked him, referring to the majority proposal: "Where in
the standards does it say teachers and students cannot discuss
criticism of evolution?"
Harris replied: "It doesn't say that. I think it's implicit."
Charles Thaxton, who lives near Atlanta but is a visiting assistant
professor of chemistry at the Charles University in the Czech
Republic, presented another criticism of evolution. He testified that
there's no evidence that life formed from a primordial soup.
The "primordial soup" issue often comes up in the debate over
teaching
evolution, but scientific theorists have pointed out that
evolutionary
theory focuses on biological change over time rather than the
chemical
origins of life. During the hearing, Irigonegaray asked Thaxton
whether he accepted the theory that humans and apes had a common
ancestor.
"Personally, I do not," Thaxton said. "I'm not an expert on this. I
don't study this."
After decades of listening to hydraulic engineers yammering that
evolution is worng, I find the sudden reluctance of IDers to speak
outisde their area of expertise to be rather amusing.
Alas for them, it can be countered with one simple question: Who IS
the ID expert on this. If we shouldn't b e asking YOU about it, who
SHOULD we be asking?"
That will shut them up in a big hurry.
But not before asking them "If you are no expert and haven't studied
it, then what is the basis for your personal rejection of the
conclusions of science on this matter. It wouldn't happen to be a
RELIGIOUS basis, would it . . . ?"
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Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation email list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation/
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| User: "Jason Spaceman" |
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05 May 2005 09:22:43 PM |
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Red State Rabble also has some stuff on the Kangaroo Court, including
pics --> http://redstaterabble.blogspot.com/
J. Spaceman
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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05 May 2005 10:07:21 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
Red State Rabble also has some stuff on the Kangaroo Court, including
pics --> http://redstaterabble.blogspot.com/
Thanks Jason - a lot of good stuff there.
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