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Inanna, possibly the first mother goddess recorded. |
Bit long, but this is the first resurrected god/goddess I could find. This
epic can be found at several places on the net.
From the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below,"
The goddess, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great
below,"
Inanna, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below."
My lady abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Inanna abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Abandoned lordship, abandoned ladyship,
To the nether world she descended.
In Erech she abandoned Eanna,
To the nether world she descended,
In Badtibira she abandoned Emushkalamma,
To the nether world she descended,
In Zabalam she abandoned Giguna,
To the nether world she descended,
In Adab she abandoned Esharra,
To the nether world she descended,
In Nippur she abandoned Baratushgarra,
To the nether world she descended,
In Kish she abandoned Hursagkalamma,
To the nether world she descended,
In Agade she abandoned Eulmash,
To the nether world she descended.
The seven divine decrees she fastened at the side,
She sought out the divine decrees, placed them at her hand,
All the decrees she set up at (her) waiting foot,
The shugurra, the crown of the plain, she put upon her bead,
Radiance she placed upon her countenance,
The . . . rod of lapis lazuli she gripped in (her) hand,
Small lapis lazuli stones she tied about her neck,
Sparkling . . . stones she fastened to her breast,
A gold ring she gripped in her band,
A . . . breastplate she bound about her breast,
All the garments of ladyship she arranged about her body,
.. . . ointment she put on her face. p. 89
Inanna walked toward the nether world,
Her messenger Ninshubur walked at her side,
The pare Inanna says to Ninshubur:
"O (thou who art) my constant support,
My messenger of favorable words,
My carrier of supporting words,
I am now descending to the nether world.
"When I shall have come to the nether world,
Fill heaven with complaints for me,
In the assembly shrine cry out for me,
In the house of the gods rush about for me,
Lower thy eye for me, lower thy mouth for me,
With . . . lower thy great . . . for me,
Like a pauper in a single garment dress for me,
To the Ekur, the house of Enlil, all alone direct thy step.
"Upon thy entering the Ekur, the house of Enlil,
Weep before Enlil:
'O father Enlil, let not thy daughter be put to death in the nether world,
Let not thy good metal be ground up into the dust of the nether world,
Let not thy good lapis lazuli be broken up into the stone of the
stone-worker,
Let not thy boxwood be cut up into the wood of the wood-worker,
Let not the maid Inanna be put to death in the nether world.'
"If Enlil stands not by thee in this matter, go to Ur.
"In Ur upon thy entering the house of the . . . of the land,
The Ekishshirgal, the house of Nanna,
Weep before Nanna:
'O Father Nanna, let not thy daughter be put to death in the nether world,
Let not thy good metal be ground up into the dust of the nether world,
Let not thy good lapis lazuli be broken up into the stone of the
stone-worker,
Let not thy boxwood be cut up into the wood of the wood-worker,
Let not the maid Inanna be put to death in the nether world.'
"If Nanna stands not by thee in this matter, go to Eridu. p. 90
"In Eridu upon thy entering the house of Enki,
Weep before Enki:
'O father Enki, let not thy daughter be put to death in the nether world,
Let not thy good metal be ground up into the dust of the nether world,
Let not thy good lapis lazuli be broken up into the stone of the
stone-worker,
Let not thy boxwood be cut up into the wood of the wood-worker,
Let not the maid Inanna be put to death in the nether world.'
"Father Enki, the lord of wisdom,
Who knows the food of life, who knows the water of life,
He will surely bring me to life."
Inanna walked toward the nether world,
To her messenger Ninshubur she says:
"Go, Ninshubur,
The word which I have commanded thee . . ."
When Inanna had arrived at the lapis lazuli palace of the nether world,
At the door of the nether world she acted evilly,
In the palace of the nether world she spoke evilly:
"Open the house, gatekeeper, open the house,
Open the house, Neti, open the house, all alone I would enter."
Neti, the chief gatekeeper of the nether world,
Answers the pure Inanna:
"Who pray art thou?"
"I am the queen of heaven, the place where the sun rises."
"If thou art the queen of heaven, the place where the sun rises,
Why pray hast thou come to the land of no return?
On the road whose traveller returns not how has thy heart led thee?"
The pure Inanna answers him:
"My elder sister Ereshkigal,
Because her husband, the lord Gugalanna, had been killed,
To witness the funeral rites,
.. . .; so be it."
Neti, the chief gatekeeper of the nether world,
Answers the pure Inanna:
"Stay, Inanna, to my queen let me speak,
To my queen Ereshkigal let me speak . . . let me speak."
Neti, the chief gatekeeper of the nether world,
Enters the house of his queen Ereshkigal and says to her:
"O my queen, a maid,
Like a god . . .,
The door . . .,
.. . .,
In Eanna . . .,
The seven divine decrees she has fastened at the side,
She has sought out the divine decrees, has placed them at her hand,
All the decrees she has set up at (her) waiting foot,
The shugurra, the crown of the plain, she has put upon her head,
Radiance she has placed upon her countenance,
The . . . rod of lapis lazuli she has gripped in (her) hand,
Small lapis lazuli stones she has tied about her neck,
Sparkling . . . stones she has fastened to her breast,
A gold ring she has gripped in her hand,
A . . . breastplate she has bound about her breast,
All her garments of ladyship she has arranged about her body,
.. . . ointment she has put on her face."
Then Ereshkigal . . .,
Answers Neti, her chief gatekeeper:
"Come, Neti, chief gatekeeper of the nether world,
Unto the word which I command thee, give ear.
Of the seven gates of the nether world, open their locks,
Of the gate Ganzir, the 'face' of the nether world, define its rules;
Upon her (Inanna's) entering,
Bowed low . . . let her . . ."
Neti, the chief gatekeeper of the nether world,
Honored the word of his queen.
Of the seven gates of the nether world, he opened their locks,
Of the gate Ganzir, the 'face' of the nether world, he defined its rules.
To the pure Inanna he says:
"Come, Inanna, enter."
Upon her entering the first gate,
The shugurra, the "crown of the plain" of her head, was removed.
"What, pray, is this?"
"Extraordinarily, O Inanna, have the decrees of the nether world been
perfected,
O Inanna, do not question the rites of the nether world." p. 92
Upon her entering the second gate,
The . . . rod of lapis lazuli was removed.
"What, pray, is this?"
"Extraordinarily, O Inanna, have the decrees of the nether world been
perfected,
O Inanna, do not question the rites of the nether world."
Upon her entering the third gate,
The small lapis lazuli stones of her neck were removed.
"What, pray, is this?"
"Extraordinarily, O Inanna, have the decrees of the nether world been
perfected,
O Inanna, do not question the rites of the nether world."
Upon her entering the fourth gate,
The sparkling . . . stones of her breast were removed.
"What, pray, is this?"
"Extraordinarily, O Inanna, have the decrees of the nether world been
perfected,
O Inanna, do not question the rites of the nether world."
Upon her entering the fifth gate,
The gold ring of her hand was removed.
"What, pray, is this?"
"Extraordinarily, O Inanna, have the decrees of the nether world been
perfected,
O Inanna, do not question the rites of the nether world."
Upon her entering the sixth gate,
The . . . breastplate of her breast was removed.
"What, pray, is this?"
"Extraordinarily, O Inanna, have the decrees of the nether world been
perfected,
O Inanna, do not question the rites of the nether world."
Upon her entering the seventh gate,
All the garments of ladyship of her body were removed.
"What, pray, is this?"
"Extraordinarily, O Inanna, have the decrees of the nether world been
perfected,
O Inanna, do not question the rites of the nether world."
Bowed low . . .
The pure Ereshkigal seated herself upon her throne,
The Anunnaki, the seven judges, pronounced judgment before her,
They fastened (their) eyes upon her, the eyes of death, p. 93
At their word, the word which tortures the spirit,
.. . . ,
The sick woman was turned into a corpse,
The corpse was hung from a stake.
After three days and three nights had passed,
Her messenger Ninshubur,
Her messenger of favorable words,
Her carrier of supporting words,
Fills the heaven with complaints for her,
Cried for her in the assembly shrine,
Rushed about for her in the house of the gods,
Lowered his eye for her, lowered his mouth for her,
With . . . he lowered his great . . . for her,
Like a pauper in a single garment he dressed for her,
To the Ekur, the house of Enlil, all alone he directed his step.
Upon his entering the Ekur, the house of Enlil,
Before Enlil he weeps:
"O father Enlil, let not thy daughter be put to death in the nether world,
Let not thy good metal be ground up into the dust of the nether world,
Let not thy good lapis lazuli be broken up into the stone of the
stone-worker,
Let not thy boxwood be cut up into the wood of the wood-worker,
Let not the maid Inanna be put to death in the nether world."
Father Enlil answers Ninshubur:
"My daughter, in the 'great above' . . ., in the 'great below' . . .,
Inanna, in the 'great above' . . ., in the 'great below'. . .,
The decrees of the nether world, the . . . decrees, to their place . . .,
Who, pray, to their place . . .?"
Father Enlil stood not by him in this matter, he went to Ur.
In Ur upon his entering the house of the . . . of the land,
The Ekishshirgal, the house of Nanna,
Before Nanna he weeps:
"O father Nanna, let not thy daughter be put to death in the nether world,
Let not thy good metal be ground up into the dust of the nether world, p.
94
Let not thy good lapis lazuli be broken up into the stone of the
stone-worker,
Let not thy boxwood be cut up into the wood of the wood-worker,
Let not the maid Inanna be put to death in the nether world."
Father Nanna answers Ninshubur:
"My daughter in the 'great above' . . ., in the 'great below' . . .,
Inanna, in the 'great above' . . ., in the 'great below' . . .,
The decrees of the nether world, the . . . decrees, to their place . . .,
Who, pray, to their place . . .?"
Father Nanna stood not by him in this matter, he went to Eridu.
In Eridu upon his entering the house of Enki,
Before Enki he weeps:
"O father Enki, let not thy daughter be put to death in the nether world,
Let not thy good metal be ground up into the dust of the nether world,
Let not thy good lapis lazuli be broken up into the stone of the
stone-worker,
Let not thy boxwood be cut up into the wood of the wood-worker,
Let not the maid Inanna be put to death in the nether world."
Father Enki answers Ninshubur:
"What now has my daughter done! I am troubled,
What now has Inanna done! I am troubled,
What now has the queen of all the lands done! I am troubled,
What now has the hierodule of heaven done! I am troubled."
.. . . he brought forth dirt (and) fashioned the kurgarru,
.. . . he brought forth dirt (and) fashioned the kalaturru,
To the kurgarru he gave the food of life,
To the kalaturru he gave the water of life,
Father Enki says to the kalaturru and kurgarru:
.. . . (nineteen lines destroyed)
"Upon the corpse hung from a stake direct the fear of the rays of fire,
Sixty times the food of life, sixty times the water of life, sprinkle upon
it,
Verily Inanna will arise."
.. . . (twenty-four(?) lines destroyed) p. 95
Upon the corpse hung from a stake they directed the fear of the rays of
fire,
Sixty times the food of life, sixty times the water of life, they sprinkled
upon it,
Inanna arose.
Inanna ascends from the nether world,
The Anunnaki fled,
(And) whoever of the nether world that had descended peacefully to the
nether world;
When Inanna ascends from the nether world,
Verily the dead hasten ahead of her.
Inanna ascends from the nether world,
The small demons like . . . reeds,
The large demons like tablet styluses,
Walked at her side.
Who walked in front of her, being without . . ., held a staff in the hand,
Who walked at her side, being without . . ., carried a weapon on the loin.
They who preceded her,
They who preceded Inanna,
(Were beings who) know not food, who know not water,
Who eat not sprinkled flour,
Who drink not libated wine,
Who take away the wife from the loins of man,
Who take away the child from the breast of the nursing mother.
Inanna ascends from the nether world;
Upon Inanna's ascending from the nether world,
Her messenger Ninshubur threw himself at her feet,
Sat in the dust, dressed in dirt.
The demons say to the pure Inanna:
"O Inanna, wait before thy city, we would bring him to thee."
The pure Inanna answers the demons:
"(He is) my messenger of favorable words,
My carrier of supporting words,
He fails not my directions,
He delays not my commanded word,
He fills heaven with complaints for me,
In the assembly shrine he cried out for me,
In the house of the gods he rushed about for me,
He lowered his eye for me, he lowered his mouth for me,
With . . . he lowered his great . . . for me, p. 96
Like a pauper in a single garment he dressed for me,
To the Ekur, the house of Enlil,
In Ur, to the house of Nanna,
In Eridu, to the house of Enki (he directed his step),
He brought me to life."
"Let us precede her, in Umma to the Sigkurshagga let us precede her."
In Umma, from the Sigkurshagga,
Shara threw himself at her feet,
Sat in the dust, dressed in dirt.
The demons say to the pure Inanna:
"O Inanna, wait before thy city, we would bring him to thee."
The pure Inanna answers the demons:
(Inanna's answer is destroyed)
"Let us precede her, in Badtibira to the Emushkalamma let us precede her."
In Badtibira from the Emushkalamma,
.. . . threw themselves at her feet,
Sat in the dust, dressed in dirt.
The demons say to the pure Inanna:
"O Inanna, wait before thy city, we would bring them to thee."
The pure Inanna answers the demons:
(Inanna's answer destroyed; the end of the poem is wanting)
walksalone who wonders, what were they smoking. & did anyone else catch the
almost OT [panegyric] tone of the conversation?
Faith is to the human as sand is to the ostrich
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06 Apr 2007 07:29:48 PM |
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"walksalone" <walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote in
message news:b3qjrpfeo62g$.dlg@life.is.sweet...
Bit long, but this is the first resurrected god/goddess I could find. This
epic can be found at several places on the net.
From the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below,"
The goddess, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great
below,"
Inanna, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below."
My lady abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Inanna abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Abandoned lordship, abandoned ladyship,
To the nether world she descended.
<BIG SNIP>
The pure Inanna answers the demons:
(Inanna's answer destroyed; the end of the poem is wanting)
walksalone who wonders, what were they smoking. & did anyone else catch
the
almost OT [panegyric] tone of the conversation?
Faith is to the human as sand is to the ostrich
Is the religion that believes in her called Innanaty?
Does that explain Stupour?
Smiler,
The godless one
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06 Apr 2007 08:55:20 PM |
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In <0CBRh.2095$I%2.850@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, on 04/07/07
at 12:29 AM, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> said:
"walksalone" <walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote
in message news:b3qjrpfeo62g$.dlg@life.is.sweet...
Bit long, but this is the first resurrected god/goddess I could find. This
epic can be found at several places on the net.
From the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below,"
The goddess, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great
below,"
Inanna, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below."
My lady abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Inanna abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Abandoned lordship, abandoned ladyship,
To the nether world she descended.
<BIG SNIP>
The pure Inanna answers the demons:
(Inanna's answer destroyed; the end of the poem is wanting)
walksalone who wonders, what were they smoking. & did anyone else catch
the
almost OT [panegyric] tone of the conversation?
Faith is to the human as sand is to the ostrich
Is the religion that believes in her called Innanaty?
It was the city/state of Sumer, whatever you wish to call it I suppose.
Does that explain Stupour?
Missed the reference, care to amplify?
Smiler,
The godless one
walksalone who is not certain he will live long enough for the entire set of notes to be posted, but I'm going to give it a go.
"Religious belief is a fine guide around which a person might organize
his own life, but an awful instrument around which to organize someone
else's life."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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07 Apr 2007 05:31:51 PM |
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<walksalone@the.ritz> wrote in message
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In <0CBRh.2095$I%2.850@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, on 04/07/07
at 12:29 AM, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> said:
"walksalone" <walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote
in message news:b3qjrpfeo62g$.dlg@life.is.sweet...
Bit long, but this is the first resurrected god/goddess I could find.
This
epic can be found at several places on the net.
From the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below,"
The goddess, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great
below,"
Inanna, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great
below."
My lady abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Inanna abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Abandoned lordship, abandoned ladyship,
To the nether world she descended.
<BIG SNIP>
The pure Inanna answers the demons:
(Inanna's answer destroyed; the end of the poem is wanting)
walksalone who wonders, what were they smoking. & did anyone else catch
the
almost OT [panegyric] tone of the conversation?
Faith is to the human as sand is to the ostrich
Is the religion that believes in her called Innanaty?
It was the city/state of Sumer, whatever you wish to call it I suppose.
Word play. Innanaty >>>>Inanity
Does that explain Stupour?
Missed the reference, care to amplify?
Stupour = Stumper. Master of inane comments.
Smiler,
The godless one
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07 Apr 2007 08:26:15 PM |
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In <rZURh.2530$vo2.1417@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>, on 04/07/07
at 10:31 PM, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> said:
<walksalone@the.ritz> wrote in message
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In <0CBRh.2095$I%2.850@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, on 04/07/07
at 12:29 AM, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> said:
"walksalone" <walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote
in message news:b3qjrpfeo62g$.dlg@life.is.sweet...
Bit long, but this is the first resurrected god/goddess I could find.
This
epic can be found at several places on the net.
From the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below,"
The goddess, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great
below,"
Inanna, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great
below."
My lady abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Inanna abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Abandoned lordship, abandoned ladyship,
To the nether world she descended.
<BIG SNIP>
The pure Inanna answers the demons:
(Inanna's answer destroyed; the end of the poem is wanting)
walksalone who wonders, what were they smoking. & did anyone else catch
the
almost OT [panegyric] tone of the conversation?
Faith is to the human as sand is to the ostrich
Is the religion that believes in her called Innanaty?
It was the city/state of Sumer, whatever you wish to call it I suppose.
Word play. Innanaty >>>>Inanity
Does that explain Stupour?
Missed the reference, care to amplify?
Stupour = Stumper. Master of inane comments.
I now understand, he joined Thanatos on his third foray into the land of the living.
Fine example as to why xianity is not for those that are alive, physically or mentally.
walksalone who is sure he will miss more such references, its not like its required reading in abnormal psychology, is it?
Infidel: In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian
religion; in Constantinople, one who does.
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09 Apr 2007 05:27:05 PM |
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Aray A pagan war god of ancient Armenia.Also known as Ara ("the beautiful one"), it is likely that Aray has origins in common with Ares, the god of war worshipped by the ancient Thracians and Greeks.Aray was also worshipped as a resurrected god, who dies and is reborn periodically.This strong link with the generative cycle makes it likely that Aray is linguistically and culturally tied to the deity Aralo, the ancient god of agriculture in neighboring Georgia.
Cotterell, Arthur.World Mythology.New York:1979.
Lurker, Manfred.Lexicon der Goetter und Daemonen.Stuttgart:1984.
Not so sure I like this font.
walksalone who is trying for a happy medium here, & probably will never find one. Ah well, it's only gods that are being outed.
Imagine a world in which generations of human beings come to believe that
certain films were made by God or that specific software was coded by him.
Imagine a future in which millions of our descendants murder each other
over rival interpretations of Star Wars or Windows 98. Could anything --
anything -- be more ridiculous? And yet, this would be no more ridiculous
than the world we are living in. -Sam Harris, author (1967- )
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10 Apr 2007 10:40:53 PM |
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Adroanzi The children of Adroa who frequented streams, large trees and rocks. They were fond of following people at night. Provided the person followed did not look back, they would be safe. But if they glanced over their shoulder, the Adroanzi would kill them. The original bogies for the Lugbara of Africa.
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11 Apr 2007 04:09:35 PM |
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In <461c58c7$1$jnyxfnybar$mr2ice@127.0.0.1>, on 04/10/07
at 10:40 PM, almost made sense, but he posted it anyway.
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Ahau Kin Mayan
"Lord of the Sun Face".
The sun god, Ahau-Kin possessed both daytime and nocturnal aspects. In his daytime manifestation, the sun god was often depicted with some jaguar features.However, between sunset and sunrise he actually became the Jaguar god, the Lord of the underworld, as he travelled from west to east through the lower regions of the world.
walksalone who needs to wake up, maybe.
Hindu speaking to a Born again christian: Of course I am
born again. And again and again and again.
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09 Apr 2007 09:20:52 PM |
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walksalone@the.ritz:
Imagine a future in which millions of our descendants murder each other
over rival interpretations of [...] Windows 98.
There is only one operating system, and Linux is its kernel.
(Sorry couldn't resist :) )
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Inanna, possibly the first mother goddess recorded. |
07 Apr 2007 12:52:17 AM |
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On Apr 7, 9:55 am, wrote:
In <0CBRh.2095$I%2....@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, on 04/07/07
at 12:29 AM, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> said:
"walksalone" <walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote
in messagenews:b3qjrpfeo62g$.dlg@life.is.sweet...
Bit long, but this is the first resurrected god/goddess I could find. This
epic can be found at several places on the net.
From the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below,"
The goddess, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great
below,"
Inanna, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below."
My lady abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Inanna abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Abandoned lordship, abandoned ladyship,
To the nether world she descended.
<BIG SNIP>
The pure Inanna answers the demons:
(Inanna's answer destroyed; the end of the poem is wanting)
walksalone who wonders, what were they smoking. & did anyone else catch
the
almost OT [panegyric] tone of the conversation?
Faith is to the human as sand is to the ostrich
Is the religion that believes in her called Innanaty?
Inanna is also known as Ishtar. She was the Sumerian goddess of love,
corresponding to Isis for the Egyptians and Venus/Aphrodite in Greco-
Roman tradition. Goddess worship was, not surprisingly, popular in
ancient cultures in which women were seen as wise rulers but it waned
in cultures that become patriarchies. Most of the Norse gods are male
with Hela, the ruler of the nether world (coincidence?), being the
main exception.
Come to think of it a good analogy could be made between Inanna/Ishtar/
Isis/Venus/Aphrodite and either Mother Mary or Mary Magdalane.
Martin
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Inanna, possibly the first mother goddess recorded. |
07 Apr 2007 07:37:06 AM |
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In <1175925137.233063.40490@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, on 04/06/07
at 10:52 PM, "Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> said:
On Apr 7, 9:55 am, wrote:
In <0CBRh.2095$I%2....@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, on 04/07/07
at 12:29 AM, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> said:
"walksalone" <walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote
in messagenews:b3qjrpfeo62g$.dlg@life.is.sweet...
Bit long, but this is the first resurrected god/goddess I could find. This
epic can be found at several places on the net.
From the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below,"
The goddess, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great
below,"
Inanna, from the "great above" she set her mind toward the "great below."
My lady abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Inanna abandoned heaven, abandoned earth,
To the nether world she descended,
Abandoned lordship, abandoned ladyship,
To the nether world she descended.
<BIG SNIP>
The pure Inanna answers the demons:
(Inanna's answer destroyed; the end of the poem is wanting)
walksalone who wonders, what were they smoking. & did anyone else catch
the
almost OT [panegyric] tone of the conversation?
Faith is to the human as sand is to the ostrich
Is the religion that believes in her called Innanaty?
Inanna is also known as Ishtar. She was the Sumerian goddess of love,
No, she is not. She predates Ishtar, and was subsumed into the Akkadian pantheon when they took over Sumer.
corresponding to Isis for the Egyptians and Venus/Aphrodite in Greco-
Roman tradition. Goddess worship was, not surprisingly, popular in
ancient cultures in which women were seen as wise rulers but it waned in
cultures that become patriarchies. Most of the Norse gods are male with
Hela, the ruler of the nether world (coincidence?), being the main
exception.
Basically correct, but for pure raw power & sphere of activity, Inanna is the prototype. Personally, I'm inclined to believe due to the antiquity of her cult, she may predate civilization, as well as writing.
But now that you bring up Ishtar.
[You knew better, didn't you]
Come to think of it a good analogy could be made between Inanna/Ishtar/
Isis/Venus/Aphrodite and either Mother Mary or Mary Magdalane.
Only as prototypes. Which of course, they were. Except, the Mary's of the the xian mythology have no power on their own.
Martin
walksalone, who was really going to wait a little while before doing this, but it does not hurt to remind people that not only were the gods known for being resurrected, but there was hell to pay when the goddesses went south.
Religious Cult: The church down the street from yours.
[ B.C. cartoon, 30 April 1994]
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Ishtar, possibly the secondmother goddess recorded. |
07 Apr 2007 08:40:34 AM |
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To Kurnugi, land of no return,
Ishtar daughter of Sin was determined to go;
The daughter of Sin was determined to go
To the dark house, dwelling of Erkalla's God,
To the house which those who enter cannot leave,
On the road where travelling is one-way only,
To the house where those who enter are deprived of light,
Where dust is their food, clay their bread.
They see no light, they dwell in darkness,
They are clothed like birds, with feathers.
Over the door and the bolt, dust has settled.
Ishtar, when she arrived at the gate of Kurnugi,
Addressed her words to the keeper of the gate,
"Here, gatekeeper, open your gate for me,
Open your gate for me to come in!
If you do not open the gate for me to come in,
I shall smash the door and shatter the bolt,
I shall smash the doorpost and overturn the doors,
I shall raise up the dead and they shall eat the living:
The dead shall outnumber the living!"
The gatekeeper made his voice heard and spake,
He said to great Ishtar,
"Stop, lady, do not break it down!
Let me go and report your words to queen Ereshkigal."
The gatekeeper went in and spoke to Ereshkigal,
"Here she is, your sister Ishtar,
Who holds the great keppu-toy,
Stirs up the Apsu in Ea's presence."
When Ereshkigal heard this,
Her face grew livid as cut tamarisk,
Her lips grew dark as the rim of a kuninu-vessel.
"What brings her to me? What has encited her against me?
Surely not because I drink water with the Anunnaki,
I eat clay for break, I drink muddy water for beer?
I have to weep for young men forced to abandon sweethearts.
I have to weep for girls wrenched from their lovers' laps.
For the infant child I have to weep, expelled before it's time.
Go, gatekeeper, open your gate to her.
Treat her according to the ancient rites."
The gatekeeper went. He opened the gate to her.
"Enter, my lady: may Kutha give you joy,
May the palace of Kurnugi be glad to see you."
He let her in through the first door,
but stripped off and took away the great crown on her head.
"Gatekeeper, why have you taken away the great crown on my head?"
"Go in, my lady. Such are the rites of the Mistress of Earth."
He let her in through the second door,
but stripped off and took away the rings in her ears.
"Gatekeeper, why have you taken away the rings in my ears?"
"Go in, my lady. Such are the rites of the Mistress of Earth."
He let her in through the third door, but stripped off and took away the beads around her neck.
"Gatekeeper, why have you taken away the beads around my neck?"
"Go in, my lady. Such are the rites of the Mistress of Earth."
He let her in through the fourth door, but stripped off and took away the toggle-pins at her breast.
"Gatekeeper, why have you taken away the toggle-pins at my breast?"
"Go in, my lady. Such are the rites of the Mistress of Earth."
He let her in through the fifth door, but stripped off and took away the girdle of birth-stones around her waist.
"Gatekeeper, why have you taken away
the girdle of birth-stones around my waist?"
"Go in, my lady. Such are the rites of the Mistress of Earth."
He let her in through the sixth door, but stripped off and took away the bangles on her wrists and ankles.
"Gatekeeper, why have you taken away the bangles from my wrists and ankles?"
"Go in, my lady. Such are the rites of the Mistress of Earth."
He let her in through the seventh door,
but stripped off and took away the proud garment of her body.
"Gatekeeper, why have you taken away the proud garment of my body?"
"Go in, my lady. Such are the rites of the Mistress of Earth."
As soon as Ishtar went down to Kurnugi,
Ereshkigal looked at her and trembled before her.
Ishtar did not deliberate, but leant over her.
Ereshkigal made her voice heard and spake,
Addressed her words to Namtar her vizier,
"Go, Namtar [ ] of my [ ]
Send out against her sixty diseases
[ ] Ishtar:
Disease of the eyes to her eyes,
Disease of the arms to her arms,
Disease of the feet to her feet,
Disease of the heart to her heart,
Disease of the head to her head,
To every part of her and to [ ]."
After Ishtar the mistress of [ ] had gone down to Kurnugi,
No bull mounted a cow, no donkey impregnated a jenny,
No young man impregnated a girl in the street,
The young man slept in his private room,
The girl slept in the company of her friends.
Then Papsukkal, vizier of the great gods, hung his head, his face became gloomy;
He wore mourning clothes, his hair was unkempt.
Dejected, he went and wept before Sin his father,
His tears flowed freely before king Ea.
"Ishtar has gone down to the Earth and has not come up again.
As soon as Ishtar went down to Kurnugi
No bull mounted a cow, no donkey impregnated a jenny,
No young man impregnated a girl in the street,
The young man slept in his private room,
The girl slept in the company of her friends."
Ea, in the wisdom of his heart, created a person.
He created Good-looks the playboy.
"Come, Good-looks, set your face towards the gate of Kurnugi.
The seven gates of Kurnugi shall be opened before you.
Ereshkigal shall look at you and be glad to see you.
when she is relaxed, her mood will lighten.
Get her to swear the oath by the great gods.
Raise your head, pay attention to the waterskin,
Saying, 'O, my lady, let them give me the waterskin, that I may drink water from it.'"
(and so it happened, but)
When Ereshkigal heard this,
She struck her thigh and bit her finger.
"You have made a request of me that should not have been made!
Come, Good-looks, I shall curse you with a great curse.
I shall decree for you a fate that shall never be forgotten.
Bread gleaned from the city's ploughs shall be your food,
The city drains shall be your only drinking place,
The shade of a city wall your only standing place,
Threshold steps your only sitting place,
The drunkard and the thirsty shall slap your cheek."
Ereshkigal made her voice heard and spake;
She addressed her words to Namtar her vizier,
"Go, Namtar, knock at Egalgina,
Decorate the threshold steps with coral,
Bring the Anunnaki out and seat them on golden thrones,
Sprinkle Ishtar with the waters of life and conduct her into my presence."
Namtar went, knocked at Egalgina,
Decorated the threshold steps with coral,
Brought out the Anunnaki, seated them on golden thrones,
Sprinkled Ishtar with the waters of life and brought her to her sister.
He let her out through the first door,
and gave back to her the proud garment of her body.
He let her out through the second door,
and gave back to her the bangles for her wrists and ankles.
He let her out through the third door,
and gave back to her the girdle of birth-stones around her waist.
He let her out through the fourth door,
and gave back to her the toggle-pins at her breast.
He let her out through the fifth door,
and gave back to her the beads around her neck.
He let her out through the sixth door,
and gave back to her the rings for her ears.
He let her out through the seventh door,
and gave back to her the great crown for her head.
"Swear that she has paid you her ransom, and give her back in exchange for him, for Dumuzi, the lover of her youth.
Wash him with pure water, anoint him with sweet oil,
Clothe him in a red robe, let the lapis lazuli pipe play.
Let the party-girls raise a loud lament."
Then Belili tore off her jewelry,
Her lap was filled with eyestones.
Belili heard the lament for her brother, she struck the jewelry from her body,
The eyestones with which the front of the wild cow was filled.
"You shall not rob me forever of my only brother!
On the day when Dumuzi comes back up, and the lapis lazuli pipe and the
carnelian ring come up with him,
When male and female mourners come up with him,
the dead shall come up and smell the smoke of offering."
Interesting site for general interpolation.
http://www.hfac.uh.edu/mcl/classics/compar/Ishtar.html
Mike, aren't you glad you mentioned her?
walksalone who may introduce some hymns next, or may keep going with the dying diety routine.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Inanna, possibly the first mother goddess recorded. |
07 Apr 2007 12:40:05 AM |
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Just so I know the analogy is that Inanna was the granddaughter of God
(Anu) and that she rose from the dead after descending to Hell and you
are comparing this to Jesus being the son of God who rose after three
days aftter being cruxified? Okay.
You're right, it is a bit long. As I understand it, there is more
than one version of this story. (Again the analogy could be made with
the different gospels.) In at least one other version it is made
clear that Inanna "died" in bed and arose later to find that her
husband wasn't by her side. According to that version she "sent her
husband to take her place in the netherworld" (ie she killed him for
not sitting by her "deathbed").
It's unlikely that the Early Christians would have known about this
story, however. If anything, it could be cited that "returning from
the dead" had historically "proven" Inanna to be a goddess so that
could have encouraged Christians to make up the story of Jesus'
resurrection confident that people would have eaten it up.
Note how the story (older than the Biblical scriptures) mentions the
three places heaven, earth and the nether world. This is even more
evidence that Judeo-Christian mythology is taken directly from earlier
mythology.
Martin
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