| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Jim07D5" |
| Date: |
25 Oct 2005 11:50:21 AM |
| Object: |
Index to Creationist Claims |
In case you haven't seen it, referring creationists/ID-ists to it
might be less frustrating than actually having to deal with them.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
--- Jim07D5
.
|
|
| User: "Michael Gray" |
|
| Title: Re: Index to Creationist Claims |
26 Oct 2005 12:24:27 AM |
|
|
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:50:21 GMT, Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
In case you haven't seen it, referring creationists/ID-ists to it
might be less frustrating than actually having to deal with them.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
--- Jim07D5
It *might* be helpful if creationists would actually read what's on
it.
My experience is they totally refuse to even contemplate reading
anything that might change their tiny minds.
.
|
|
|
| User: "georgann" |
|
| Title: Re: Index to Creationist Claims |
26 Oct 2005 06:14:41 AM |
|
|
In case you haven't seen it, referring creationists/ID-ists to it might be
less frustrating than actually having to deal with them.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html --- Jim07D5
Michael Gray wrote:
It *might* be helpful if creationists would actually read what's on it. My
experience is they totally refuse to even contemplate reading anything that
might change their tiny minds.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not that. If evolution cannot fit into the Biblical statement of
Creation, then it is too limited in its POV. If, on the other hand,
Creation cannot fit into the Evolutionist's view, then its simply not
understood fully enough.
Most of the things people attribute to the Creationists are their
inventions, not the beliefs of Creationists.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
(confounding the nonsense of Gnosticism with one verse)
John 14:9 ... "He who has seen Me has seen the Father..."
- Jesus Christ
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
.
|
|
|
| User: "Michael Gray" |
|
| Title: Re: Index to Creationist Claims |
26 Oct 2005 07:18:08 AM |
|
|
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:14:41 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
In case you haven't seen it, referring creationists/ID-ists to it might be
less frustrating than actually having to deal with them.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html --- Jim07D5
Michael Gray wrote:
It *might* be helpful if creationists would actually read what's on it. My
experience is they totally refuse to even contemplate reading anything that
might change their tiny minds.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not that. If evolution cannot fit into the Biblical statement of
Creation, then it is too limited in its POV. If, on the other hand,
Creation cannot fit into the Evolutionist's view, then its simply not
understood fully enough.
Most of the things people attribute to the Creationists are their
inventions, not the beliefs of Creationists.
Evolution and Creation are utterly different things.
You seem to be conflating the two.
Evolution is a demonstrated fact, over and over again.
No question about it. Just ask fundamentalist Christian live-stock
breeders. They've been evolving cattle, sheep, horses, pigs, cats,
dogs, pigeons, and so-on for millenia.
Whereas evolution is a dead-cert verifiable fact, "special creation"
may, or may not have happened, and is, at the moment, utterly
unverifiable, thus remaining an item of faith.
The two are not in any way in basic conflict.
One is fact, the other is faith, and both of them can well be true
without any conflict.
I do not attribute anything to self-professed creationists that they
have not said, nor disagree with.
It is the creationists that I deal with who quite wrongly lie that
evolution is not a demonstrated fact, and that if it were true, it
would fatally conflict with their version of special creation.
I can't speak for "most people", as you appear confident to do.
I have no real idea of what species of creationist that you refer to,
but I have spied none of that "species" in this locale...
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Jim07D5" |
|
| Title: Re: Index to Creationist Claims |
26 Oct 2005 11:08:27 AM |
|
|
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> said:
In case you haven't seen it, referring creationists/ID-ists to it might be
less frustrating than actually having to deal with them.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html --- Jim07D5
Michael Gray wrote:
It *might* be helpful if creationists would actually read what's on it. My
experience is they totally refuse to even contemplate reading anything that
might change their tiny minds.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not that. If evolution cannot fit into the Biblical statement of
Creation, then it is too limited in its POV. If, on the other hand,
Creation cannot fit into the Evolutionist's view, then its simply not
understood fully enough.
You seem to agree that what God says about his work and what his work
looks like should be consistent with one another.
Most of the things people attribute to the Creationists are their
inventions, not the beliefs of Creationists.
Yes, for example, when a creationist says his belief in ID has nothing
to do with religion, this does not mean we should regard this as his
belief.
--- Jim07D5
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "James" |
|
| Title: Re: Index to Creationist Claims |
26 Oct 2005 01:52:36 AM |
|
|
Michael Gray wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:50:21 GMT, Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
In case you haven't seen it, referring creationists/ID-ists to it
might be less frustrating than actually having to deal with them.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
--- Jim07D5
It *might* be helpful if creationists would actually read what's on
it.
My experience is they totally refuse to even contemplate reading
anything that might change their tiny minds.
I seriously doubt the author spent his time authoring such a
comprehensive resource while labouring under the belief that it might
change the mind of a creationist. Even I, with my rather shallow
experience on the subject, have seen countless situations where clear
and reasonable explanations were rejected for vague and unsubstantiated
hearsay.
It's also interesting that the index shows how strongly the
Creationist/ID stance relies upon strawmen. It must be a record of some
sort.
--
James B
aa #944
"A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence."
-David Hume
.
|
|
|
| User: "Jim07D5" |
|
| Title: Re: Index to Creationist Claims |
26 Oct 2005 10:59:16 AM |
|
|
James <spamblock@com.com> said:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:50:21 GMT, Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
In case you haven't seen it, referring creationists/ID-ists to it
might be less frustrating than actually having to deal with them.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
--- Jim07D5
It *might* be helpful if creationists would actually read what's on
it.
My experience is they totally refuse to even contemplate reading
anything that might change their tiny minds.
I seriously doubt the author spent his time authoring such a
comprehensive resource while labouring under the belief that it might
change the mind of a creationist. Even I, with my rather shallow
experience on the subject, have seen countless situations where clear
and reasonable explanations were rejected for vague and unsubstantiated
hearsay.
It's also interesting that the index shows how strongly the
Creationist/ID stance relies upon strawmen. It must be a record of some
sort.
And what I meant is that it saves *you* the time of typing out these
replies.
--- Jim07D5
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Uncle Vic" |
|
| Title: Re: Index to Creationist Claims |
25 Oct 2005 11:37:39 AM |
|
|
on 25 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Jim07D5 (Jim07D5@nospam.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
In case you haven't seen it, referring creationists/ID-ists to it
might be less frustrating than actually having to deal with them.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
--- Jim07D5
Nice!
Under "Evolution is only a theory, it is not a fact", I like this retort:
"Creationism is neither theory nor fact; it is, at best, only an opinion.
Since it explains nothing, it is useless."
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Today's warm fuzzy example of Christian Love:
"I told you many times that you should thank Christian Americans that they
gave you a free place to live in Texas and a welfare so you could buy food
to eat you fucking filthy Jew !!!! If America did not give you billions of
dollars every year your fucking Jewishstan could be a history like it was
for a thousand years. Shame on you, you fucking dirty, ugly and barbaric
Jew !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to hell you shitted Jew." -- Andy
.
|
|
|
|
|
Related Articles |
|
|
