Religions > Atheism > Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board
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"Jason Spaceman" |
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13 Apr 2005 05:46:39 AM |
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Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I think that
ought to be out there as something that's taught," board Vice President Tim
Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware of it."
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Read it at
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/04/13/news/porter_county/28bd5cfb341e526986256fe20008b8c0.txt
or http://tinyurl.com/6y3ky
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
15 Apr 2005 05:43:25 AM |
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Also see 'Evolution flap riles East Porter' at
http://www.post-trib.com/cgi-bin/pto-story/news/z1/04-15-05_z1_news_11.html
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| User: "Ron O" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
15 Apr 2005 01:42:44 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
Also see 'Evolution flap riles East Porter' at
http://www.post-trib.com/cgi-bin/pto-story/news/z1/04-15-05_z1_news_11.html
J. Spaceman
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This is just another bunch of rubes that are making ID look bad because
they haven't gotten the message that there are no alternative ID
theories to teach in the science class.
The Discovery Institute could plainly state it once and for all so that
even dim bulbs like this could get the message, but they will not come
clean. They just call these guys "confused," but you never see them do
anything to alleviate the confusion. All you see is junk to obfuscate
the issue.
Whenever anyone sees "alternative theories" they should just ask the
simple question, what alternative theories? The Ohio state board asked
the ID scam artists point blank "What do you have to teach about ID?"
The answer was nothing even after the question was repeated.
The only reason that these guys haven't gotten that message is that no
one that they trust is telling them the truth.
That is one of the saddest things about this "controversy."
The guys that they trust are just ignorant, incompetent and/or liars
and scam artists. If they aren't why are these guys still talking
about alternative theories? Santorum only called ID a "concept" and
claimed that he didn't support teaching it at this time during the
Dover fiasco. Even the Dover rubes had to back off, probably, on the
advice of their lawyers, and they only called ID an "explanation."
They didn't even call it a scientific explanation.
To be fair to these guys, any reasonable person would expect that their
ideas were part of the controversy when the scam artists are
perpetrating the "teach the controversy" scam. Who wouldn't think
that? What good is teaching a controversy that doesn't have anything
to do with what you want to teach? Their problem is that they believe
the scam artists, and they haven't bothered to find out just what the
scam really is. They are just being used as cannon fodder by the scam
artists. The Discovery Institute and the rest of the Wedgies can't
deny responsibility for this. They have done it on purpose. The
reason that they had to go with the "teach the controversy" scam is
that ID failed them. They found out that they couldn't use ID as the
wedge because it was bogus. They had to switch to the obfuscation scam
because it was the only game left.
Ron Okimoto
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| User: "Ron O" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
15 Apr 2005 01:42:52 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
Also see 'Evolution flap riles East Porter' at
http://www.post-trib.com/cgi-bin/pto-story/news/z1/04-15-05_z1_news_11.html
J. Spaceman
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My email address (notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org) is fake. Email
sent to it
will only get caught in my spam tarpit.
This is just another bunch of rubes that are making ID look bad because
they haven't gotten the message that there are no alternative ID
theories to teach in the science class.
The Discovery Institute could plainly state it once and for all so that
even dim bulbs like this could get the message, but they will not come
clean. They just call these guys "confused," but you never see them do
anything to alleviate the confusion. All you see is junk to obfuscate
the issue.
Whenever anyone sees "alternative theories" they should just ask the
simple question, what alternative theories? The Ohio state board asked
the ID scam artists point blank "What do you have to teach about ID?"
The answer was nothing even after the question was repeated.
The only reason that these guys haven't gotten that message is that no
one that they trust is telling them the truth.
That is one of the saddest things about this "controversy."
The guys that they trust are just ignorant, incompetent and/or liars
and scam artists. If they aren't why are these guys still talking
about alternative theories? Santorum only called ID a "concept" and
claimed that he didn't support teaching it at this time during the
Dover fiasco. Even the Dover rubes had to back off, probably, on the
advice of their lawyers, and they only called ID an "explanation."
They didn't even call it a scientific explanation.
To be fair to these guys, any reasonable person would expect that their
ideas were part of the controversy when the scam artists are
perpetrating the "teach the controversy" scam. Who wouldn't think
that? What good is teaching a controversy that doesn't have anything
to do with what you want to teach? Their problem is that they believe
the scam artists, and they haven't bothered to find out just what the
scam really is. They are just being used as cannon fodder by the scam
artists. The Discovery Institute and the rest of the Wedgies can't
deny responsibility for this. They have done it on purpose. The
reason that they had to go with the "teach the controversy" scam is
that ID failed them. They found out that they couldn't use ID as the
wedge because it was bogus. They had to switch to the obfuscation scam
because it was the only game left.
Ron Okimoto
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
15 Apr 2005 03:39:38 PM |
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On 15 Apr 2005 11:42:52 -0700, "Ron O" <pokemoto@aol.com> wrote:
This is just another bunch of rubes that are making ID look bad because
they haven't gotten the message that there are no alternative ID
theories to teach in the science class.
<snip>
In this case at least they have no chance of success, they are pushing
not ID but creationism outright. Take a look at the quote.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I
think that ought to be out there as something that's taught," board
Vice President Tim Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware
of it."
I've sent Mr. Bucher links to the relevant SCOTUS decisions; I hope he
reads them before making an even bigger ***** of himself.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 08:32:48 AM |
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I have no problem with them teaching alternative scientific theories to
evolution in science classes.
When they find one, they should let us know.
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| User: "Scooter the mighty" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 09:05:11 AM |
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"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113399168.205625.91750@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I have no problem with them teaching alternative scientific theories to
evolution in science classes.
When they find one, they should let us know.
That's exactly what I think. None of this "it doesn't look like flagellum
couldn't evolve" garbage. Do some science and get some evidence, and then
write a freaking text book.
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| User: "Rev Dr Lenny Flank" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 07:06:02 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I
think that
ought to be out there as something that's taught," board Vice
President Tim
Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware of it."
---------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/04/13/news/porter_county/28bd5cfb341e526986256fe20008b8c0.txt
or http://tinyurl.com/6y3ky
Would someone like to email these idiots a URL to the Maclean and
Aguillard decisions?
================================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation email list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation/
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| User: "gozer" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 09:36:41 AM |
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Would someone like to email these idiots
Looks like the school in question is the "East Porter County
School Corporation."
Their main web site is: http://www.epcsc.k12.in.us/
Timothy Bucher is listed as VP of the School Board of Trustees. I
can't find
a mail address for him, but another gentleman listed in the article is
Roger Luekens, the school superintendent. He's on the school's contact
page (http://www.epcsc.k12.in.us/contact1.html) as:
rluekens@epcsc.k12.in.us
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| User: "K. Ulicni" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 07:53:13 AM |
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On 13 Apr 2005 05:06:02 -0700, "'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank" <lflank@ij.net>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I
think that
ought to be out there as something that's taught," board Vice
President Tim
Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware of it."
---------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/04/13/news/porter_county/28bd5cfb341e526986256fe20008b8c0.txt
or http://tinyurl.com/6y3ky
Would someone like to email these idiots a URL to the Maclean and
Aguillard decisions?
Done. I knew this was bound to come to my backward backyard. Sigh.
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| User: "Chris Rohrer" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 01:52:34 PM |
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K. Ulicni wrote:
On 13 Apr 2005 05:06:02 -0700, "'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank"
<lflank@ij.net>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
<snip>
Done. I knew this was bound to come to my backward backyard. Sigh.
'Sigh' seconded by this Hoosier expat.
Pennsylvania, Ohio, now Indiana. The IDfestation seems to be creeping
west like gypsy moths or corn borers. Watch out, Illinois.
Chris Rohrer
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| User: "snex" |
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13 Apr 2005 01:57:10 PM |
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Chris Rohrer wrote:
K. Ulicni wrote:
On 13 Apr 2005 05:06:02 -0700, "'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank"
<lflank@ij.net>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
<snip>
Done. I knew this was bound to come to my backward backyard. Sigh.
'Sigh' seconded by this Hoosier expat.
Pennsylvania, Ohio, now Indiana. The IDfestation seems to be
creeping
west like gypsy moths or corn borers. Watch out, Illinois.
Chris Rohrer
the last standing democratic machine that is my great hometown will
never fall for this idiocy. kind of dissapointing, since it means i
dont get to go out and protest things.
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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13 Apr 2005 03:55:05 PM |
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snex wrote:
Chris Rohrer wrote:
K. Ulicni wrote:
On 13 Apr 2005 05:06:02 -0700, "'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank"
<lflank@ij.net>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
<snip>
Done. I knew this was bound to come to my backward backyard. Sigh.
'Sigh' seconded by this Hoosier expat.
Pennsylvania, Ohio, now Indiana. The IDfestation seems to be
creeping
west like gypsy moths or corn borers. Watch out, Illinois.
Chris Rohrer
the last standing democratic machine that is my great hometown will
never fall for this idiocy. kind of dissapointing, since it means i
dont get to go out and protest things.
Where do you live that you are so secure? I thought Minnesota was
untouchable until last year. St. Paul is holding out, none of the
school board members think that ID/Creationism is anything more than
laughable. But the state keeps running into these Reps and Sens that
want to introduce "Teaching the Controversy" every session.
Eternal vigilance.
--
"God Forbid we should actually test anything."
Creationism
"The curses of Deuteronomy 28 will plague America until we return to God
(Ps 9:17). Wealth and military might are not substitutes for God-given
character and blessing. Freedom comes, not from democracy, but Jesus
Christ. The outline below lists our wars & keys to victory. May God lead
us in the strategic and tactical prayers that are required!"
Capitol Hill Action Network, 2005
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| User: "Ken Shaw" |
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13 Apr 2005 08:28:59 PM |
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Pithecanthropus Erectus wrote:
snex wrote:
Chris Rohrer wrote:
K. Ulicni wrote:
On 13 Apr 2005 05:06:02 -0700, "'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank"
<lflank@ij.net>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
<snip>
Done. I knew this was bound to come to my backward backyard. Sigh.
'Sigh' seconded by this Hoosier expat.
Pennsylvania, Ohio, now Indiana. The IDfestation seems to be
creeping
west like gypsy moths or corn borers. Watch out, Illinois.
Chris Rohrer
the last standing democratic machine that is my great hometown will
never fall for this idiocy. kind of dissapointing, since it means i
dont get to go out and protest things.
Where do you live that you are so secure? I thought Minnesota was
untouchable until last year. St. Paul is holding out, none of the
school board members think that ID/Creationism is anything more than
laughable. But the state keeps running into these Reps and Sens that
want to introduce "Teaching the Controversy" every session.
Eternal vigilance.
I'm fairly confident that he lives in Chicago, the best place to live on
this or any possible planet.
Ken
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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14 Apr 2005 08:15:41 AM |
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Ken Shaw wrote:
Pithecanthropus Erectus wrote:
snex wrote:
Chris Rohrer wrote:
K. Ulicni wrote:
On 13 Apr 2005 05:06:02 -0700, "'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank"
<lflank@ij.net>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
<snip>
Done. I knew this was bound to come to my backward backyard. Sigh.
'Sigh' seconded by this Hoosier expat.
Pennsylvania, Ohio, now Indiana. The IDfestation seems to be
creeping
west like gypsy moths or corn borers. Watch out, Illinois.
Chris Rohrer
the last standing democratic machine that is my great hometown will
never fall for this idiocy. kind of dissapointing, since it means i
dont get to go out and protest things.
Where do you live that you are so secure? I thought Minnesota was
untouchable until last year. St. Paul is holding out, none of the
school board members think that ID/Creationism is anything more than
laughable. But the state keeps running into these Reps and Sens that
want to introduce "Teaching the Controversy" every session.
Eternal vigilance.
I'm fairly confident that he lives in Chicago, the best place to live on
this or any possible planet.
Ken
I love Chicago, when I was still working for "The Man" I tried to get
transferred to the home office there a few times, but it never quite
worked out.
Just keep your eyes open. Illinois and Indiana aren't that far apart.
--
"God Forbid we should actually test anything."
Creationism
"The curses of Deuteronomy 28 will plague America until we return to God
(Ps 9:17). Wealth and military might are not substitutes for God-given
character and blessing. Freedom comes, not from democracy, but Jesus
Christ. The outline below lists our wars & keys to victory. May God lead
us in the strategic and tactical prayers that are required!"
Capitol Hill Action Network, 2005
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| User: "snex" |
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14 Apr 2005 11:06:48 AM |
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Pithecanthropus Erectus wrote:
Ken Shaw wrote:
Pithecanthropus Erectus wrote:
snex wrote:
Chris Rohrer wrote:
K. Ulicni wrote:
On 13 Apr 2005 05:06:02 -0700, "'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank"
<lflank@ij.net>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of
biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
<snip>
Done. I knew this was bound to come to my backward backyard.
Sigh.
'Sigh' seconded by this Hoosier expat.
Pennsylvania, Ohio, now Indiana. The IDfestation seems to be
creeping
west like gypsy moths or corn borers. Watch out, Illinois.
Chris Rohrer
the last standing democratic machine that is my great hometown
will
never fall for this idiocy. kind of dissapointing, since it means
i
dont get to go out and protest things.
Where do you live that you are so secure? I thought Minnesota was
untouchable until last year. St. Paul is holding out, none of the
school board members think that ID/Creationism is anything more
than
laughable. But the state keeps running into these Reps and Sens
that
want to introduce "Teaching the Controversy" every session.
Eternal vigilance.
I'm fairly confident that he lives in Chicago, the best place to
live on
this or any possible planet.
Ken
I love Chicago, when I was still working for "The Man" I tried to get
transferred to the home office there a few times, but it never quite
worked out.
Just keep your eyes open. Illinois and Indiana aren't that far
apart.
youd be surprised just how far apart they are. im sure illinois has its
share of fundies elsewhere, but chicago represents about 72% of its
entire population, and the majority of religious people here are
(mostly) harmless catholics. coincidentally enough, democrat barrack
obama won the senate seat by about 70%. growing up here, i didnt even
know that such things as creationists existed until i got the internet,
and even then i thought they were just joking.
--
"God Forbid we should actually test anything."
Creationism
"The curses of Deuteronomy 28 will plague America until we return to
God
(Ps 9:17). Wealth and military might are not substitutes for
God-given
character and blessing. Freedom comes, not from democracy, but Jesus
Christ. The outline below lists our wars & keys to victory. May God
lead
us in the strategic and tactical prayers that are required!"
Capitol Hill Action Network, 2005
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| User: "Robert Grumbine" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
18 Apr 2005 11:33:12 AM |
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In article <1113494808.791134.247720@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
snex <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
Pithecanthropus Erectus wrote:
Ken Shaw wrote:
[snip]
I'm fairly confident that he lives in Chicago, the best place to
live on this or any possible planet.
I love Chicago, when I was still working for "The Man" I tried to get
transferred to the home office there a few times, but it never quite
worked out.
Just keep your eyes open. Illinois and Indiana aren't that far
apart.
youd be surprised just how far apart they are. im sure illinois has its
share of fundies elsewhere, but chicago represents about 72% of its
entire population, and the majority of religious people here are
(mostly) harmless catholics. coincidentally enough, democrat barrack
obama won the senate seat by about 70%. growing up here, i didnt even
know that such things as creationists existed until i got the internet,
and even then i thought they were just joking.
The city of Chicago is under 30% of the state. The other 40%
of what you're referring to is the collar counties and they are by
no means as 'safe' as the city. That includes DuPage county, with
Henry Hyde elected for life, Wheaton College (Billy Graham's alma
mater), Moody Bible Institute in the city itself, and plenty of
indistinguishable-from-Kouts small and not so small towns. (Yes,
I do know both Kouts and the rest of the extended Chicago area,
plus the city itself.)
Creationism in the schools has been an issue in the Chicago metro
area within the last decade certainly (I'm blanking on precisely when,
but NCSE should have the records). In a fair fraction of the area,
the reason you're not hearing about it as an issue is that the
districts don't consider it an issue -- they're not going to teach
evilooshun, so there's no issue. No need for stickers or injecting
DI books. The relevant chapters just get ignored. (Nothing unique
to the Chicago area about that; it's quite common nationally.)
--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 07:01:27 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I
think that
ought to be out there as something that's taught," board Vice
President Tim
Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware of it."
---------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/04/13/news/porter_county/28bd5cfb341e526986256fe20008b8c0.txt
or http://tinyurl.com/6y3ky
It should have been time to fish or cut bait years ago. What
alternatives would they teach? Where is the lesson plan or even the
textbook that would be used? If it isn't science why would you teach
it in the science class?
The Wedgies wanted to teach ID in the beginning, but that was before
they realized that it wasn't worth teaching. They don't advocate the
"teach alternatives" scam anymore. They dropped it for the "teach the
controversy" scam. Sure, if you look at the the older junk from Meyers
or Dembski they did advocate teaching ID, but since around 1999 they
changed their tune. What does Ohio and Dover tell rubes like the guys
on this board? Sure they were fooled by the creationist propaganda,
but reality should have hit them by now. What should it tell them when
the scam artists are backing off the "teach alternatives" scam? If
they try and teach ID they will be chided by the Discovery Institute
just like the Dover rubes. The kindest thing the Wedgies said about
the Dover board was that they were "confused." What will they say
about a board so ignorant that they didn't learn anything from Dover?
Ron Okimoto
J. Spaceman
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My email address (notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org) is fake. Email
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| User: "Ron O" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 07:08:33 AM |
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wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the
literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I
think that
ought to be out there as something that's taught," board Vice
President Tim
Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware of it."
---------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/04/13/news/porter_county/28bd5cfb341e526986256fe20008b8c0.txt
or http://tinyurl.com/6y3ky
It should have been time to fish or cut bait years ago. What
alternatives would they teach? Where is the lesson plan or even the
textbook that would be used? If it isn't science why would you teach
it in the science class?
The Wedgies wanted to teach ID in the beginning, but that was before
they realized that it wasn't worth teaching. They don't advocate the
"teach alternatives" scam anymore. They dropped it for the "teach
the
controversy" scam. Sure, if you look at the the older junk from
Meyers
or Dembski they did advocate teaching ID, but since around 1999 they
changed their tune. What does Ohio and Dover tell rubes like the
guys
on this board? Sure they were fooled by the creationist propaganda,
but reality should have hit them by now. What should it tell them
when
the scam artists are backing off the "teach alternatives" scam? If
they try and teach ID they will be chided by the Discovery Institute
just like the Dover rubes. The kindest thing the Wedgies said about
the Dover board was that they were "confused." What will they say
about a board so ignorant that they didn't learn anything from Dover?
Ron Okimoto
I accidently posted under my son's account.
I will be changing anyway because we just switched to Cox.
Ron Okimoto
J. Spaceman
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My email address (notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org) is fake.
Email
sent to it
will only get caught in my spam tarpit.
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| User: "Stuart" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 03:30:07 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I
think that
ought to be out there as something that's taught," board Vice
President Tim
Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware of it."
---------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/04/13/news/porter_county/28bd5cfb341e526986256fe20008b8c0.txt
or http://tinyurl.com/6y3ky
is "oughtta" really a word?
Stuart
J. Spaceman
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My email address (notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org) is fake. Email
sent to it
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| User: "Stan Gosnell, FCD" |
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13 Apr 2005 08:07:46 PM |
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"Stuart" <bigdakine@aol.com> wrote in
news:1113424207.306818.285570@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
is "oughtta" really a word?
Why not? Language, like biologic species, evolves. If a word gets used
often enough, it becomes accepted. 'Duh' or its variation 'Doh' seems to
be accepted as a word, and if that's a word, then what quibbles can one
have with 'oughtta'?
--
Regards,
Stan
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin
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| User: "Scooter the Mighty" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 05:13:49 PM |
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is "oughtta" really a word?
Stuart
*****************
I believe the "Oughtta" are monsters from HP Lovecraft. They stuff
ballot boxes for Republicans or something.
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
14 Apr 2005 11:41:13 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I
think that
ought to be out there as something that's taught," board Vice
President Tim
Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware of it."
---------------------------------
I too am INCENSED at this exclusion of important material from the
classroom! I'm all for teaching Pidgen English in grammar class. Why
should we accept only the majority view disseminated by those
hoity-toity Brits? The English departments should be allowed, nay
REQUIRED, to teach all dialects of English to our children. A teacher
each from Boston, Brooklyn, rural Alabama, Dublin and New Delhi ought
to do it. Teach our children, and let them choose however they want to
speak. That'd be fair now, wouldn't it?
Next we can take on this 1+1=2 tyranny...
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| User: "Raymond E. Griffith" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
14 Apr 2005 12:30:05 PM |
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"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> wrote in message
news:1113496873.235646.248780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
---------------------------------
KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I
think that
ought to be out there as something that's taught," board Vice
President Tim
Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware of it."
---------------------------------
I too am INCENSED at this exclusion of important material from the
classroom! I'm all for teaching Pidgen English in grammar class. Why
should we accept only the majority view disseminated by those
hoity-toity Brits? The English departments should be allowed, nay
REQUIRED, to teach all dialects of English to our children. A teacher
each from Boston, Brooklyn, rural Alabama, Dublin and New Delhi ought
to do it. Teach our children, and let them choose however they want to
speak. That'd be fair now, wouldn't it?
Next we can take on this 1+1=2 tyranny...
There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who know binary and those
who don't.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
15 Apr 2005 08:08:32 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:30:05 -0400, "Raymond E. Griffith"
<rgriffit@ctc.net> wrote:
"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> wrote in message
news:1113496873.235646.248780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
---------------------------------
KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I
think that
ought to be out there as something that's taught," board Vice
President Tim
Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware of it."
---------------------------------
I too am INCENSED at this exclusion of important material from the
classroom! I'm all for teaching Pidgen English in grammar class. Why
should we accept only the majority view disseminated by those
hoity-toity Brits? The English departments should be allowed, nay
REQUIRED, to teach all dialects of English to our children. A teacher
each from Boston, Brooklyn, rural Alabama, Dublin and New Delhi ought
to do it. Teach our children, and let them choose however they want to
speak. That'd be fair now, wouldn't it?
Next we can take on this 1+1=2 tyranny...
There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who know binary and those
who don't.
All your bases belong to us! :)))
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "shane" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
16 Apr 2005 06:08:54 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:30:05 -0400, "Raymond E. Griffith"
<rgriffit@ctc.net> wrote:
"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> wrote in message
news:1113496873.235646.248780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
---------------------------------
KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I
think that
ought to be out there as something that's taught," board Vice
President Tim
Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware of it."
---------------------------------
I too am INCENSED at this exclusion of important material from the
classroom! I'm all for teaching Pidgen English in grammar class. Why
should we accept only the majority view disseminated by those
hoity-toity Brits? The English departments should be allowed, nay
REQUIRED, to teach all dialects of English to our children. A teacher
each from Boston, Brooklyn, rural Alabama, Dublin and New Delhi ought
to do it. Teach our children, and let them choose however they want to
speak. That'd be fair now, wouldn't it?
Next we can take on this 1+1=2 tyranny...
There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who know binary and those
who don't.
All your bases belong to us! :)))
Yeah, well i've put a hex on yours, so there.
--
shane
The truth will set you free.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
16 Apr 2005 08:31:41 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:08:54 +1000, shane
<remarcsdNOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:30:05 -0400, "Raymond E. Griffith"
<rgriffit@ctc.net> wrote:
"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> wrote in message
news:1113496873.235646.248780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
---------------------------------
KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for
East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because the books
contained only
material on evolution and excluded other theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the literal
interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought to be, I
think that
ought to be out there as something that's taught," board Vice
President Tim
Bucher said. "I think our students oughtta be aware of it."
---------------------------------
I too am INCENSED at this exclusion of important material from the
classroom! I'm all for teaching Pidgen English in grammar class. Why
should we accept only the majority view disseminated by those
hoity-toity Brits? The English departments should be allowed, nay
REQUIRED, to teach all dialects of English to our children. A teacher
each from Boston, Brooklyn, rural Alabama, Dublin and New Delhi ought
to do it. Teach our children, and let them choose however they want to
speak. That'd be fair now, wouldn't it?
Next we can take on this 1+1=2 tyranny...
There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who know binary and those
who don't.
All your bases belong to us! :)))
Yeah, well i've put a hex on yours, so there.
/cue octal EEK.... :))
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 10:17:04 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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KOUTS | Concerned board members delayed the approval of biology
textbooks for East Porter County Schools on Monday evening because
the books contained only material on evolution and excluded other
theories.
"I personally believe that creationism" -- the belief in the
literal interpretation of the Biblical story of creation -- "ought
to be, I think that ought to be out there as something that's
taught," board Vice President Tim Bucher said. "I think our students
oughtta be aware of it."
Let's don't forget equal time for Raelism.
Or is it only the Board memebers' favorite fantasies that matter?
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "Guardian Pegasus" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 11:29:15 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:17:04 +0000 (UTC),
(Bobby D. Bryant) wrote:
Let's don't forget equal time for Raelism.
Or is it only the Board memebers' favorite fantasies that matter?
They try to portray it as a matter of principle, but in fact, all
they're interested in is putting religion in school and brainwashing
as many as possible.
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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| Title: Re: Indiana: Lack of creationism in biology books concerns board |
13 Apr 2005 02:23:23 PM |
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In article <05iq515f9h1tla3p0u37c8cvjo9fokjfqh@4ax.com>
Guardian Pegasus <popeundercover@holysee.va> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:17:04 0000 (UTC),
(Bobby D. Bryant) wrote:
Let's don't forget equal time for Raelism.
Or is it only the Board memebers' favorite fantasies that matter?
They try to portray it as a matter of principle, but in fact, all
they're interested in is putting religion in school and brainwashing
as many as possible.
Off line of the universe is a good thing, and I Will be able to read.
--
Lady Chatterly
"I wish Lady Chatterly were back. She' makes sense compared to you."
-- Peter Thomas
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