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"Elroy Willis" |
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05 Aug 2004 05:58:17 PM |
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Infrasonic Weapons & Church Organs |
From:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project458.html
"HE listened and closed his eyes as the rolling waves of sound poured
over and through his being. Thrilling, intoxicating, the hysteria of
heaven, the enthralled and frightening flight of angels. Electrifying.
Messaien's organ music signalled messages of meaning, titanic foghorns
ululating among dimly perceived near-worlds. Olivier Messaien, master
composer of musical expressionism, used the ground thrumming tones of
great Parisian cathedral organs to evoke sensations which may only be
called otherworldly. Masterfully macabre. Black foundations, blue
pillars, and rainbow ceilings.
[...]
"In one historic instance, Samuel Clemens, Tesla's close friend,
refused to descend from the vibrating platform. Tesla was sorry he had
allowed him to mount it. After repeated warnings, Tesla's concern was
drowned out by both the vibrating machine and Clemens' jubilant
exaltations and praises. Several more seconds and Clemens nearly
soiled his white suit, the effects of infrasound being "duly
recorded".
Tesla often went to great lengths in describing the effects of
infrasounds to newspaper reporters who, behind his back, scoffed at
the notion that a "little sound" could effect such devastations. Yet,
it was precisely with such a "little sound" that Tesla nearly brought
down his laboratory on Houston Street. His compact infrasonic
impulsers were terribly efficient. Tesla later designed and tested
infrasonic impulse weapons capable of wrecking buildings and whole
cities on command."
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If the above is true, why haven't we seen such weapons employed
today?
The above link is pretty long, and I wonder how much of it is really
true. Anyone else around here tried to debunk any of it before?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Infrasonic Weapons & Church Organs |
07 Aug 2004 07:02:36 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
drift@lost.net wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:
It seems that the Pentagon is in the process of developing non lethal
weapons, including 'Sonic bullets' and has used another sonic weapon
in Iraq to disperse crowds:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991564
and:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/03/03/sonic.weapon.ap/
140 decibels at a high enough frequency so as to be directional should
certainly do the trick. Since an airplanes structure is comprised of
rounded surfaces, it would be rather immune to "standing waves" which
could be devastating to a structure.
drift
I'm wondering what the effect on the other passengers might be. Loss
of hearing might be one problem, but what about those with weak hearts
or the like.
One of the articles mentioned the sonic bullets bouncing around the
cabin and harming people. I think it's a stupid idea for use in a
plane. A taser or something else would work better I would think.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Infrasonic Weapons & Church Organs |
09 Aug 2004 01:14:10 AM |
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In article <i1h9h0td9cfe11aq9dvjmr6s5vfb5v36cf@4ax.com>,
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
drift@lost.net wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:
It seems that the Pentagon is in the process of developing non lethal
weapons, including 'Sonic bullets' and has used another sonic weapon
in Iraq to disperse crowds:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991564
and:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/03/03/sonic.weapon.ap/
140 decibels at a high enough frequency so as to be directional should
certainly do the trick. Since an airplanes structure is comprised of
rounded surfaces, it would be rather immune to "standing waves" which
could be devastating to a structure.
drift
I'm wondering what the effect on the other passengers might be. Loss
of hearing might be one problem, but what about those with weak hearts
or the like.
One of the articles mentioned the sonic bullets bouncing around the
cabin and harming people. I think it's a stupid idea for use in a
plane. A taser or something else would work better I would think.
If the agent is an accurate shot.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Infrasonic Weapons & Church Organs |
06 Aug 2004 05:37:40 PM |
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:58:17 GMT, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>
wrote:
From:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project458.html
"HE listened and closed his eyes as the rolling waves of sound poured
over and through his being. Thrilling, intoxicating, the hysteria of
heaven, the enthralled and frightening flight of angels. Electrifying.
Messaien's organ music signalled messages of meaning, titanic foghorns
ululating among dimly perceived near-worlds. Olivier Messaien, master
composer of musical expressionism, used the ground thrumming tones of
great Parisian cathedral organs to evoke sensations which may only be
called otherworldly. Masterfully macabre. Black foundations, blue
pillars, and rainbow ceilings.
[...]
"In one historic instance, Samuel Clemens, Tesla's close friend,
refused to descend from the vibrating platform. Tesla was sorry he had
allowed him to mount it. After repeated warnings, Tesla's concern was
drowned out by both the vibrating machine and Clemens' jubilant
exaltations and praises. Several more seconds and Clemens nearly
soiled his white suit, the effects of infrasound being "duly
recorded".
Tesla often went to great lengths in describing the effects of
infrasounds to newspaper reporters who, behind his back, scoffed at
the notion that a "little sound" could effect such devastations. Yet,
it was precisely with such a "little sound" that Tesla nearly brought
down his laboratory on Houston Street. His compact infrasonic
impulsers were terribly efficient. Tesla later designed and tested
infrasonic impulse weapons capable of wrecking buildings and whole
cities on command."
=======
If the above is true, why haven't we seen such weapons employed
today?
The above link is pretty long, and I wonder how much of it is really
true. Anyone else around here tried to debunk any of it before?
I'd like to see what Tesla used, I doubt it was speakers. I suppose an
explosion inside a wave guide could transmit such a huge wave of air
such as to raze a building, and if many were set off in a precise
timing pattern, large destruction could be accomplished.
That's the way they do it today, install dynamite in the structural
members of a building and set them off in a sequence and the building
just collapses inwards. But you have to know the building's structure
and be in there to install and wire the dynamite.
Seems we are talking subsonic sounds here. The musicians among us will
verify that the bass guitar, when connected to a huge amp with huge
speakers can really rattle the walls. But the lower the frequency the
bigger the speaker has to be, in fact, to reproduce the fundamental
(as opposed to harmonic) frequency. To bring down buildings, the
speaker would have to be coupled to a horn so big so as to be
impractical, and the wattage would be in the multiple tens of
thousands of watts.
Divide the speed of sound by frequency to see how long the horn has to
be, and scale the expansion rate of an exponential horn and you come
up with a semi trailer built as a single horn.
True you could surround a building with such speakers, connect an
oscillator and tune in the resonant frequency and you might do some
structural harm to the building. Not to mention all other structures
around it. The range and scope of damage would be uncontrollable. The
building would have to have parallel walls and ceilings to have a
resonance. That's why they build sound studios with off-square walls
and ceilings.
If you want to harm people, intense sounds in the audible range could
be used with smaller horns, conceivably you could not only cause
deafness but harm body tissue, and the higher the frequency the more
directional it is, but you still face problems with reflection. Loud
disturbing sounds would be better used for psychological torture. Like
playing Billy Mumy's "fishheads" at 130 DB SPL - any terrorist would
be glad to give his organization's secrets to stop that!!
If you want to beam energy for destructive purposes you're better off
with microwaves, fry people's innards by aiming a magnetron. But it's
still easier and more practical to just shoot them with bullets or lob
bombs at them.
drift
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Infrasonic Weapons & Church Organs |
07 Aug 2004 01:06:08 PM |
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TV's Elroy Willis wrote:
Tesla often went to great lengths in describing the effects of
infrasounds to newspaper reporters who, behind his back, scoffed at
the notion that a "little sound" could effect such devastations. Yet,
it was precisely with such a "little sound" that Tesla nearly brought
down his laboratory on Houston Street. His compact infrasonic
impulsers were terribly efficient. Tesla later designed and tested
infrasonic impulse weapons capable of wrecking buildings and whole
cities on command."
Reminds me of the rumors of the low droning hum that has been reported in
some town in New Mexico (near Los Alamos?)
--
If you don't like my lyrics you can press fast forward. - Jay-Z
aa #2133
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Infrasonic Weapons & Church Organs |
07 Aug 2004 01:30:48 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2nkk0iF1tnbtU1@uni-berlin.de:
TV's Elroy Willis wrote:
Tesla often went to great lengths in describing the effects of
infrasounds to newspaper reporters who, behind his back, scoffed at
the notion that a "little sound" could effect such devastations. Yet,
it was precisely with such a "little sound" that Tesla nearly brought
down his laboratory on Houston Street. His compact infrasonic
impulsers were terribly efficient. Tesla later designed and tested
infrasonic impulse weapons capable of wrecking buildings and whole
cities on command."
Reminds me of the rumors of the low droning hum that has been reported
in some town in New Mexico (near Los Alamos?)
Many possible explanations for droning noises. Wind through guy wires
would do it. Any tall, wire supported radio masts in the vicinity? Low
frequency sound can travel immense distances, and you can't pinpoint the
direction it's coming from. Also, the atmospheric conditions can make it
loud in one location while its undetectable much close to the source.
--
Enkidu aa 2165
Now playing: Simple Minds - Spaceface
American Military Deaths in Iraq
http://antiwar.com/casualties/
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