Did you know that Christianity teaches gun-hoarding, cross-burning,
child-beating and the violent overthrow of the US government?

On 08 Sep 2003, " Jon Wilhelm" <jwilhelm@cfl.rr.com> posted this:

It's cheaper than rebuilding our cities.
To ignore the threat Islam poses to
civilization would be to quote
Sheik Yassin "crazy".

We created the problem. Al Qaeda has moved into Iraq *because* the
war created conditions that made it favorable.

I'm not calling for us to leave. I'm very conflicted about that. On
the one hand, it would be a hit on our international prestige--I'm
using the word "prestige" as an international relations term of art;
it basically means credibility and the ability to influence events
because you have it. It would also leave a balkanized Iraq open to
becoming a base for terrorism and radical Islamist governments. On
the other hand, we may be there for ten years and still see those
outcomes. I can't help but wonder if it's Vietnam in 1965.

One thing's for sure. Bush created this mess. It can all be laid at
his feet. We are less secure today because of his actions.

Iraq wasn't a threat to us and they shouldn't have been a target in
our war on terror. It was a terrible mistake to go to war there. It
will cost us dearly.

On the one hand, it would be a hit on our international prestige...

Iraq wasn't a threat to us and they shouldn't have been a target in
our war on terror. It was a terrible mistake to go to war there. It
will cost us dearly.

One thing's for sure. Bush created this mess. It can all be laid at
his feet. We are less secure today because of his actions.

On 08 Sep 2003, " Jon Wilhelm" <jwilhelm@cfl.rr.com> posted this:

It's cheaper than rebuilding our cities.
To ignore the threat Islam poses to
civilization would be to quote
Sheik Yassin "crazy".

We created the problem. Al Qaeda has moved into Iraq *because* the
war created conditions that made it favorable.

I'm not calling for us to leave. I'm very conflicted about that. On
the one hand, it would be a hit on our international prestige--I'm
using the word "prestige" as an international relations term of art;
it basically means credibility and the ability to influence events
because you have it. It would also leave a balkanized Iraq open to
becoming a base for terrorism and radical Islamist governments. On
the other hand, we may be there for ten years and still see those
outcomes. I can't help but wonder if it's Vietnam in 1965.

One thing's for sure. Bush created this mess. It can all be laid at
his feet. We are less secure today because of his actions.

Iraq wasn't a threat to us and they shouldn't have been a target in
our war on terror. It was a terrible mistake to go to war there. It
will cost us dearly.

--
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or
that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public."
--Theodore Roosevelt

Tim
"Fair and Balanced"

On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 05:54:59 GMT, " Jon Wilhelm"
<jwilhelm@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

It's cheaper than rebuilding our cities.
To ignore the threat Islam poses to
civilization

Suddam Hussien was not "Islam" and he didnt pose a threat to the US or
Europe or anyone - except, perhaps, Israel and his own long suffering
citizens.
There never were any WMD - thats now obvious.

--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau

Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)

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And Bush? Bush stands there burbling into the screen ("mah feller
'mer'cans") and asking the rest of the world to come and 'contribute' to
the security situation in a country that HE insisted on invading in the
first place. The words "bitten", "more" and "chew" leap to mind.

On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 05:45:57 -0000, Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote:

"The White House acknowledged Monday that it substantially
underestimated the cost of rebuilding Iraq and that even the
additional $87 billion it was seeking from a wary Congress would fall
far short of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.

Administration officials said President Bush's emergency spending
request -- which would push the U.S. budget deficit above the half-
trillion-dollar mark for the first time -- still left a
reconstruction funding gap of as much as $55 billion."