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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" |
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09 Sep 2003 12:45:57 AM |
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Insane |
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it substantially
underestimated the cost of rebuilding Iraq and that even the
additional $87 billion it was seeking from a wary Congress would fall
far short of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Administration officials said President Bush's emergency spending
request -- which would push the U.S. budget deficit above the half-
trillion-dollar mark for the first time -- still left a
reconstruction funding gap of as much as $55 billion."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-
iraqmoney9sep09,1,4249907.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 01:56:36 AM |
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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 02:04:34 AM |
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400 in alt.atheism, JTEM ("JTEM"
<jaytem@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
Go cap in hand to the UN and ask for help that will spread the cost?
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 03:26:36 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
Go cap in hand to the UN and ask for help that will spread
the cost?
That's a plan, but unless the U.N. has already expressed some
willingness, it's not a solution. A potential solution, and one
that the Bush administration should attempt, but only a
potential solution.
After the way Bush groveled at the feet of the Chinese, you'd
think he'd find it easy to go crawling back to the U.N....
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 07:21:57 AM |
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:26:36 -0400 in alt.atheism, JTEM ("JTEM"
<jaytem@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
Go cap in hand to the UN and ask for help that will spread
the cost?
That's a plan, but unless the U.N. has already expressed some
willingness, it's not a solution. A potential solution, and one
that the Bush administration should attempt, but only a
potential solution.
After the way Bush groveled at the feet of the Chinese, you'd
think he'd find it easy to go crawling back to the U.N....
It's certainly a very tricky situation, but one you would have thought
would have been thought through well before now.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "SemiScholar" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 12:45:18 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:04:34 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400 in alt.atheism, JTEM ("JTEM"
<jaytem@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
Go cap in hand to the UN and ask for help that will spread the cost?
There was a great cartoon in the paper last week. Dubya was wading
into quicksand up to his neck and getting deeper, and the UN nations
were standing on the side of the quagmire, and Bush says "Y'all can
follow me in here, but don't expect to be making any decisions."
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| User: "raven1" |
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09 Sep 2003 03:31:43 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:45:18 -0500, SemiScholar
<noemail@spambegone.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:04:34 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400 in alt.atheism, JTEM ("JTEM"
<jaytem@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
Go cap in hand to the UN and ask for help that will spread the cost?
There was a great cartoon in the paper last week. Dubya was wading
into quicksand up to his neck and getting deeper, and the UN nations
were standing on the side of the quagmire, and Bush says "Y'all can
follow me in here, but don't expect to be making any decisions."
"...and we're waist-deep in the Big Muddy, and the big fool says
'march on'..."
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 01:22:52 PM |
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SemiScholar wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:04:34 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400 in alt.atheism, JTEM ("JTEM"
<jaytem@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
Go cap in hand to the UN and ask for help that will spread the cost?
There was a great cartoon in the paper last week. Dubya was wading
into quicksand up to his neck and getting deeper, and the UN nations
were standing on the side of the quagmire, and Bush says "Y'all can
follow me in here, but don't expect to be making any decisions."
Where was Tony Blair? Or had he sunk without trace already?
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
10 Sep 2003 01:13:12 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:22:52 +0100, Kevin Anthoney wrote:
SemiScholar wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:04:34 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400 in alt.atheism, JTEM ("JTEM"
<jaytem@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
Go cap in hand to the UN and ask for help that will spread the cost?
There was a great cartoon in the paper last week. Dubya was wading
into quicksand up to his neck and getting deeper, and the UN nations
were standing on the side of the quagmire, and Bush says "Y'all can
follow me in here, but don't expect to be making any decisions."
Where was Tony Blair? Or had he sunk without trace already?
Bush was probably standing on him.
Blair was such a door mat. I'm surprised he hasn't been thrown out of
office already.
Have you seen the alternatives? No, neither have we.
In the run up to the war, given the massive anti-war demonstrations and the
fact Blair's own backbenchers were starting to rebel, the Tories had a
fantastic opportunity to stick the knife in and bring down the Government.
Instead, they sort of went along with it, although it's difficult to tell
because they haven't actually said anything about anything at all since
1997.
Bloody shower.
(If not out of the country)
Oh, he's been out of the country. For some reason, somebody let him back in.
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Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
10 Sep 2003 05:12:17 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:13:12 +0100, Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:22:52 +0100, Kevin Anthoney wrote:
SemiScholar wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:04:34 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400 in alt.atheism, JTEM ("JTEM"
<jaytem@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
Go cap in hand to the UN and ask for help that will spread the cost?
There was a great cartoon in the paper last week. Dubya was wading
into quicksand up to his neck and getting deeper, and the UN nations
were standing on the side of the quagmire, and Bush says "Y'all can
follow me in here, but don't expect to be making any decisions."
Where was Tony Blair? Or had he sunk without trace already?
Bush was probably standing on him.
Blair was such a door mat. I'm surprised he hasn't been thrown out of
office already.
Have you seen the alternatives? No, neither have we.
In the run up to the war, given the massive anti-war demonstrations and the
fact Blair's own backbenchers were starting to rebel, the Tories had a
fantastic opportunity to stick the knife in and bring down the Government.
Instead, they sort of went along with it, although it's difficult to tell
because they haven't actually said anything about anything at all since
1997.
Bloody shower.
(If not out of the country)
Oh, he's been out of the country. For some reason, somebody let him back in.
Now we see the importance of border control. <G>
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Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "Arne Langsetmo" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 12:08:59 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
I'd work with the U.N. (and possibly also any willing Arab countries
(ones that haven't previously compromised or discredited themselves
WRT Iraq) on a plan to hand over control to them ASAP. I'd give
them complete control at the earliest instance, including as to
how to build back a new government, and then get the hell out at
as quick a pace as is possible and still maintain enough order to
get U.N. or other forces in. I wouldn't be too worried about
violence, lawlessness, or chaos during this time; hell that's
what we have _now_ (and if things don't improve, we've
already shown an ability to invade the country in a month or
two).
The U.S., through its actions, has painted a big bulls-eye on
its backside (or at least increased the size of the existing
one enormously). And it has thrown into doubt (mainly for good
reasons) its capacity for honesty and fair play (and its
intentions even) for the region. The U.S. simply cannot be involved
in any legitimate "solution". The current shite is what happens
when you decide that U.S. troops are supposed to be used for
aggressive war rather than preserving peace. Which means it's
past time for "regime change" in the United States as well.
Cheers,
-- Arne Langsetmo
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| User: "Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" |
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09 Sep 2003 07:43:26 AM |
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On 08 Sep 2003, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> posted this:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
Rebid the contracts. Remove the idiot who put us in this position.
Undo the tax cuts so that we can afford it.
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"In an age of Rambo patriotism, it is good to be reminded of
Capra patriotism--to remember that America is not just about
fighting and winning, but about defending our freedoms. If we
defeat the enemy at the cost of our own principles, who has won?"
--Roger Ebert
Tim
"Fair and Balanced"
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| User: "JTEM" |
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09 Sep 2003 09:03:49 AM |
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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote
Rebid the contracts.
"Independent Prosecutor."
Remove the idiot who put us in this position.
2004.
Undo the tax cuts so that we can afford it.
Democrats take back the house.
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| User: "Diederik" |
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10 Sep 2003 11:12:37 PM |
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"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<G5OdnYeTXv-tQMCiXTWJiw@comcast.com>...
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote
Rebid the contracts.
"Independent Prosecutor."
Remove the idiot who put us in this position.
2004.
Too bad we can't recall him.
Diederik
Undo the tax cuts so that we can afford it.
Democrats take back the house.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Sep 2003 09:28:39 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400, JTEM wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
IMMEDIATELY turn the mess over to the UN. With apologies for ever having
done the unilateral crap.
The only way to get the rest of the world engaged and make the rebuilding
legitimate is to stop peeing on the rest of the planet.
Otherwise, they may just stand by and watch us drown...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "" |
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09 Sep 2003 12:41:14 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.09.14.28.38.801337@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400, JTEM wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
IMMEDIATELY turn the mess over to the UN. With apologies for ever having
done the unilateral crap.
The only way to get the rest of the world engaged and make the rebuilding
legitimate is to stop peeing on the rest of the planet.
Otherwise, they may just stand by and watch us drown...
That is not beyond possibillity.
Bush may though retaliate by removing troops from Europe as well as
from other peacekeaping operations.
Einar
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Sep 2003 04:09:43 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:41:14 -0700, einarbj wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.09.14.28.38.801337@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400, JTEM wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
IMMEDIATELY turn the mess over to the UN. With apologies for ever having
done the unilateral crap.
The only way to get the rest of the world engaged and make the rebuilding
legitimate is to stop peeing on the rest of the planet.
Otherwise, they may just stand by and watch us drown...
That is not beyond possibillity.
Bush may though retaliate by removing troops from Europe as well as
from other peacekeaping operations.
I hardly think Europe will care much.
And what other peace keeping?
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Mark K. Bilbo
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10 Sep 2003 11:29:33 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.09.21.09.43.377082@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:41:14 -0700, einarbj wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.09.14.28.38.801337@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400, JTEM wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
IMMEDIATELY turn the mess over to the UN. With apologies for ever having
done the unilateral crap.
The only way to get the rest of the world engaged and make the rebuilding
legitimate is to stop peeing on the rest of the planet.
Otherwise, they may just stand by and watch us drown...
That is not beyond possibillity.
Bush may though retaliate by removing troops from Europe as well as
from other peacekeaping operations.
I hardly think Europe will care much.
And what other peace keeping?
Let´s see, after having taken a look at what´s on the UN online info center:
USA still contributes to UNTSO:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/untso/facts.html
USA also contributes to UNMISET:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unmiset/facts.html
USA also contributes to UNMEE:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unmee/facts.html
Naturally to UNAMA:
http://www.unama-afg.org/
See United Nations peacekeeping:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/home.shtml
Einar
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| User: "Diederik" |
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10 Sep 2003 11:16:21 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.09.21.09.43.377082@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:41:14 -0700, einarbj wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.09.14.28.38.801337@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400, JTEM wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
IMMEDIATELY turn the mess over to the UN. With apologies for ever having
done the unilateral crap.
The only way to get the rest of the world engaged and make the rebuilding
legitimate is to stop peeing on the rest of the planet.
Otherwise, they may just stand by and watch us drown...
That is not beyond possibillity.
Bush may though retaliate by removing troops from Europe as well as
from other peacekeaping operations.
I hardly think Europe will care much.
I think the Germans will, Rammstein pumps a lot of money into the german economy.
Diederik
And what other peace keeping?
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10 Sep 2003 11:16:25 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.09.21.09.43.377082@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:41:14 -0700, einarbj wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.09.14.28.38.801337@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400, JTEM wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
IMMEDIATELY turn the mess over to the UN. With apologies for ever having
done the unilateral crap.
The only way to get the rest of the world engaged and make the rebuilding
legitimate is to stop peeing on the rest of the planet.
Otherwise, they may just stand by and watch us drown...
That is not beyond possibillity.
Bush may though retaliate by removing troops from Europe as well as
from other peacekeaping operations.
I hardly think Europe will care much.
I think the Germans will, Rammstein pumps a lot of money into the german economy.
Diederik
And what other peace keeping?
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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09 Sep 2003 05:07:18 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:41:14 -0700, einarbj wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.09.09.14.28.38.801337@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400, JTEM wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
IMMEDIATELY turn the mess over to the UN. With apologies for ever having
done the unilateral crap.
The only way to get the rest of the world engaged and make the
rebuilding legitimate is to stop peeing on the rest of the planet.
Otherwise, they may just stand by and watch us drown...
That is not beyond possibillity.
Bush may though retaliate by removing troops from Europe as well as
from other peacekeaping operations.
I hardly think Europe will care much.
Hey, who else is going to defend us from the Soviets?
And what other peace keeping?
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Sep 2003 12:32:53 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:07:18 +0100, Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:41:14 -0700, einarbj wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.09.09.14.28.38.801337@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400, JTEM wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
IMMEDIATELY turn the mess over to the UN. With apologies for ever having
done the unilateral crap.
The only way to get the rest of the world engaged and make the
rebuilding legitimate is to stop peeing on the rest of the planet.
Otherwise, they may just stand by and watch us drown...
That is not beyond possibillity.
Bush may though retaliate by removing troops from Europe as well as
from other peacekeaping operations.
I hardly think Europe will care much.
Hey, who else is going to defend us from the Soviets?
Who's gonna defend you against US corporations?
(For that matter, who's gonna defend *us* from them?)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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10 Sep 2003 03:57:28 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:07:18 +0100, Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:41:14 -0700, einarbj wrote:
Bush may though retaliate by removing troops from Europe as well as
from other peacekeaping operations.
I hardly think Europe will care much.
Hey, who else is going to defend us from the Soviets?
Who's gonna defend you against US corporations?
(For that matter, who's gonna defend *us* from them?)
George W. Bush?
If he bankrupts America while simultaneously playing into the hands of Osama
bin Laden, we might have a chance.
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Kevin Anthoney
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
10 Sep 2003 05:15:06 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:57:28 +0100, Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:07:18 +0100, Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:41:14 -0700, einarbj wrote:
Bush may though retaliate by removing troops from Europe as well as
from other peacekeaping operations.
I hardly think Europe will care much.
Hey, who else is going to defend us from the Soviets?
Who's gonna defend you against US corporations?
(For that matter, who's gonna defend *us* from them?)
George W. Bush?
If he bankrupts America while simultaneously playing into the hands of Osama
bin Laden, we might have a chance.
At the rate he's going...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
10 Sep 2003 01:31:23 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:32:53 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:07:18 +0100, Kevin Anthoney wrote:
<snip>
Hey, who else is going to defend us from the Soviets?
(now that's funny!)
Who's gonna defend you against US corporations?
(For that matter, who's gonna defend *us* from them?)
Ha!
Resistance is useless.
Consume, be entertained, die.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 12:38:55 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.09.14.28.38.801337@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400, JTEM wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
IMMEDIATELY turn the mess over to the UN. With apologies for ever having
done the unilateral crap.
The only way to get the rest of the world engaged and make the rebuilding
legitimate is to stop peeing on the rest of the planet.
Otherwise, they may just stand by and watch us drown...
They´ll undoubtedly insist on not just the sharing of the cost, but
also the sharing of the overall organizing of the thing.
Einar
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 03:32:47 PM |
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On 9 Sep 2003 10:38:55 -0700, wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.09.14.28.38.801337@eac.org>...
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400, JTEM wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
IMMEDIATELY turn the mess over to the UN. With apologies for ever having
done the unilateral crap.
The only way to get the rest of the world engaged and make the rebuilding
legitimate is to stop peeing on the rest of the planet.
Otherwise, they may just stand by and watch us drown...
They´ll undoubtedly insist on not just the sharing of the cost, but
also the sharing of the overall organizing of the thing.
Good; they could hardly muck it up any worse than it is already.
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 11:06:17 PM |
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:56:36 -0400, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net>
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it
substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding
Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was
seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short
of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Your solution?
Time machine - build it and send back a robot exterminator to wipe out
Bush, Chenny, Rumsfeld etc. parents before they can breed.
If not - we (even us non americans) all suffer.
Am I coming across as pesimistic?
8-)
Mark.
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
10 Sep 2003 02:10:12 PM |
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"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote
Am I coming across as pesimistic?
Not at all.
In fact, I'd say that your suggestion to build a time machine was
a mite on the optimistic side of things.
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| User: " Jon Wilhelm" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 12:54:59 AM |
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It's cheaper than rebuilding our cities.
To ignore the threat Islam poses to
civilization would be to quote
Sheik Yassin "crazy".
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns93F0E7E60F9ABtimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it substantially
underestimated the cost of rebuilding Iraq and that even the
additional $87 billion it was seeking from a wary Congress would fall
far short of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Administration officials said President Bush's emergency spending
request -- which would push the U.S. budget deficit above the half-
trillion-dollar mark for the first time -- still left a
reconstruction funding gap of as much as $55 billion."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-
iraqmoney9sep09,1,4249907.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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| User: "Peter Vos" |
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| Title: Re: Insane |
09 Sep 2003 01:15:55 AM |
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" Jon Wilhelm" <jwilhelm@cfl.rr.com> wrote in
news:TWd7b.28093$Mb2.1108906@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns93F0E7E60F9ABtimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"The White House acknowledged Monday that it substantially
underestimated the cost of rebuilding Iraq and that even the
additional $87 billion it was seeking from a wary Congress would fall
far short of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.
Administration officials said President Bush's emergency spending
request -- which would push the U.S. budget deficit above the half-
trillion-dollar mark for the first time -- still left a
reconstruction funding gap of as much as $55 billion."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-
iraqmoney9sep09,1,4249907.story?coll=la-home-headlines
It's cheaper than rebuilding our cities.
To ignore the threat Islam poses to
civilization would be to quote
Sheik Yassin "crazy".
Maybe I was watching basic cable and didn't get all the channels. I sure as
hell don't recall any CEOs from Bush & Co. saying, "After we take out
Saddam, we'll turn Iraq into a roach motel for terrorists."
I get this queasy feeling every time I hear this argument, or it's variant
"better to fight them 'over there' than in our cities."
When I hear folks seriously say "this was the plan all along - turn it into
a magnet for terrorists so we can fight 'em out in the open," I just shake
my head. It reminds me of that Jon Lovitz character from Saturday Night
Live "yeah... that's the ticket... we WANTED to destabilize Iraq and turn
it into a magnet for terrorists.... "
It's not the lying that make me feel queasy. I'm used to that. It's
something else. I get the queasy feeling because this new justification
reminds me of Guernica.
Guernica was where the Nazis tested high altitude precision bombing in 1937
before they invaded Poland. Thousands of innocent people were intentionally
slaughtered as a test of technology. The bombing raids themselves only
lasted for three hours, but Guernica burned for three days.
If the new justification for invading Iraq is to keep the fight "over
there," then people are now admitting we are not there to liberate
anything. We are there to bring devastation. We're gonna use Iraq as the
OK Corral.
I seriously doubt Iraqis expected that would be the price for us getting
rid of Saddam. If they had known that I am sure they would have picked a
better place to be born.
If turning Iraq into a "roach motel for terrorists" is the new
justification, then let's go back to the WMD lie. At least with the WMD
story you can claim stupidity as your defense. But I can't think of
anything more criminal,more cowardly, more despicable than luring armed
thugs into some distant impoverished neighborhood for a showdown simply to
avoid compromising your own real estate values.
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http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/people_n2/persons6_n2/images_persons6
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