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"Bill" |
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02 Nov 2005 12:57:07 PM |
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INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for the
existence of ANY Gods.
Christian's favorite evidence for the existence of their god is the old
canard that the Universe could not just happen but had to have a
designer/creator. They refuse to consider the more logical and scientific
process of evolution. If it was designed/created by some god, this god has
to be even more complex than the Universe, and using this same logic, would
require that god would also have to have a creator. Who or what created god?
Many religious types claim the Intelligent Design of the Universe is proof
of god.
Intelligent design!? Consider reality. The Universe shows no evidence of
intelligent design! If any real God wanted to create intelligently designed
people he would design humans that did not steal, curse, and kill others,
cause wars or sin in other ways. Why would such an all powerful perfect God
create such imperfect creatures and such a grossly imperfect world??
First, let's look at the human body.
The openings to our breathing air and swallowing food and water are so close
that it often causes choking (and sometimes fatal!) Why aren't there two
separate openings that do not conflict with each other?
The lung design is equally quaint and inefficient. The same tube acts as the
both the
entry for life giving oxygen and the exhaust pipe for the spent air. This is
the equivalent of an auto engine designer putting the exhaust pipe through
the carburetor manifold!
And why include a non functioning body organ like the Appendix to, cause
serious problems including death?
The penis is used to dispose of foul bodily fluids and to deliver wholesome
sperm to fertilize women's eggs for the birth of new humans. Likewise the
female's vagina is used as a sewer line and for delivery of new infants. Is
running a sewer line through the middle of a creation organ logical or
intelligent?
There is no evidence of intelligent design but only for random mutation and
natural selection. If it works it is reproduced. If it doesn't work, it
doesn't survive. If an omniscient God created man he certainly would have
created a more logical and efficient design.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and serious body malfunctions?
Why does he permit millions of both young and old to starve to death or die
of miserable diseases? Why punish millions of totally innocent children in
this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent
god create animals (including man) that need to kill and eat other animals
to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed 270,000 lives; men, women and innocent
children of all religious persuasions. 100,000 of these were totally
innocent children!
The recent earthquake in Pakistan and India killed over 70,000 innocent men,
women and children of many religious persuasions. Over 2,500,000have been
left homeless with a harsh winter approaching.
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of all religious
persuasions INCLUDING PERFECTLY INNOCENT CHILDREN.
This all loving and all caring god also hates perfectly innocent animals and
afflicts them with many painful, debilitating and fatal diseases. Presently
a Mad Cow like disease is infecting millions of Sheep, Deer and Elk. It has
been determined that these wild animals are being infected because infected
animals release the disease causing prions in their urine on the grass which
other grazers then eat. Up to twenty percent of these animals have become
infected with this painful wasting and fatal disease.
Perhaps this loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and happiness in his eternal Heaven after death?
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is that, if there is a god creator, he has NO concern
about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The Christian god belief is about as credible as belief in Santa Claus, The
Wizard of Oz and Aesop's Fables.
This is understandable because the Earth is but a speck of dust in the
unimaginably vast
Universe, of billions of Planets and Stars, that is over 20 BILLION LIGHT
YEARS across.
The objective evidence is that NO GOD CREATED MAN but quite the contrary;
that MAN CREATED GODS!
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| User: "Dont believe me" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
05 Nov 2005 12:16:17 PM |
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:37:08 -0600, Bill Gamelson let slip this dark
secret:
Because they are eyewitness accounts of life after death.
No, they're not. These people are not dead.
These are people who have "been there and done that."
No. They never quite made it all the way.
If you refuse to believe these
eyewitness accounts, then you will refuse to believe anything short of Jesus
splitting a mountain.
Jesus is a fictional character.
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"Man who shoot off mouth, must expect to lose face."
- Confucious
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
05 Nov 2005 11:56:10 AM |
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:37:08 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
<Y46bf.8425$wC.1158@dukeread06>:
"Mark Stahl" <stahl@nospam.aecom.yu.edu> wrote in message
news:8M2dnSTuAJNgdfHenZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@giganews.com...
But I still wonder what information they contained that support your
beliefs. Could you explain? Maybe just give an overview or outline the
logic? Thanks.
www.near-death.com is a collection of eyewitness reports of what
happened to them as they were having "near death experiences." The link
is good, I just tried it.
I see.
The link works now, but I still don't understand what this has to do with
your beliefs. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I genuinely don't
understand what these reports have to do with anything, entertaining as
they
Because they are eyewitness accounts of life after death.
No, they are not eyewitness accounts of life after death. Near death is
not death.
These are people
who have "been there and done that." If you refuse to believe these
eyewitness accounts, then you will refuse to believe anything short of Jesus
splitting a mountain.
Facts are nasty things.
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
04 Nov 2005 09:07:48 PM |
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i.e., in the links, this item:
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It seems much more likely that we are the miraculous products of natural
selection. I also believe that religion is very much man-made,
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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05 Nov 2005 06:26:44 PM |
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
i.e., in the links, this item:
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It seems much more likely that we are the miraculous products of natural
selection. I also believe that religion is very much man-made,
===>The truth is, MEN created GODS to explain who created man. -- L.
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| User: "tsquare21" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
05 Nov 2005 02:38:19 AM |
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A good post that needs adressing.
Bill wrote:
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for the
existence of ANY Gods.
Evidence is readly found in a few churches that preach the truth of
Christ.
Christian's favorite evidence for the existence of their god is the old
canard that the Universe could not just happen but had to have a
designer/creator. They refuse to consider the more logical and scientific
process of evolution. If it was designed/created by some god, this god
has to be even more complex than the Universe, and using this same logic,
would require that god would also have to have a creator. Who or what
created god?
Have to love this atrgument in it's nievity. You believe an unsuported
THEORY of evolution yet reject the truth of THE Creator. For each
truth you bring on evolution I can present equal facts to disprove any
evidence you might believe. Now on creation all you have against it is
that you can;t find G-D so their is no Creator. Yet Millions of people
have found G-D testifing that there is a Creator further disproving
your unprovable THERORY of evolution.
Many religious types claim the Intelligent Design of the Universe is
proof of god.
AHH, correct Now prove caos, For if the universe was at one time shot
out of a blendor and assembled it self. There must be some
unsucessfull portion somewhere.
Intelligent design!? Consider reality. The Universe shows no evidence of
The universe, have you looked at hubble.org latly. Blessed order.
intelligent design! If any real God wanted to create intelligently
designed people he would design humans that did not steal, curse, and
kill others, cause wars or sin in other ways. Why would such an all
powerful perfect God create such imperfect creatures and such a grossly
imperfect world??
That has something to do with our fallen state, sort of a trial period
if you would. Oh, by the way man is failing miserably.
First, let's look at the human body.
You don't want to go there do you
to late your in for it now.
The openings to our breathing air and swallowing food and water are so
close that it often causes choking (and sometimes fatal!) Why aren't
there two separate openings that do not conflict with each other?
Good point, if nature wanted to design aparatas to regulate most
functions then why is it almost all order of creatures use the same
method (note MOST, and ORDER). Now if nature wanted to then why are
there not numerus of divers methods according each spicies. Instead
we see a created hand keeping what works for each spicies groups.
The lung design is equally quaint and inefficient. The same tube acts as
the both the
entry for life giving oxygen and the exhaust pipe for the spent air. This
is the equivalent of an auto engine designer putting the exhaust pipe
through the carburetor manifold!
All manner of animals use this method as far as i know. Wonder why
nature never designed a method as you present. I think it would be
simpler and easier to implement. Can this again be the designe of the
CREATOR. Remmber you are presenting these what nots so according you
evolution should have devolpe somethin more eloquent.
And why include a non functioning body organ like the Appendix to, cause
serious problems including death?
Why did nature.
The penis is used to dispose of foul bodily fluids and to deliver
wholesome sperm to fertilize women's eggs for the birth of new humans.
Likewise the female's vagina is used as a sewer line and for delivery of
new infants. Is running a sewer line through the middle of a creation
organ logical or intelligent?
You know your right, why did not nature devolpe a two penis system.
Realy the extra plumbing needed to seperate the sperm and wast product
is not natural. Come on you make an educated guess why. Better not
we see the logic a educated guess devolpes.
There is no evidence of intelligent design but only for random mutation
and natural selection. If it works it is reproduced. If it doesn't work,
it doesn't survive. If an omniscient God created man he certainly would
have created a more logical and efficient design.
I've been through this it dies crap recently and it doesn't hold water.
Simple reason not one body of evidence of random mutation and the
natural slection taking place. If you need a detail explanation read
my post on another thread from last weak.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and serious body
malfunctions? Why does he permit millions of both young and old to starve
to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions of totally
innocent children in this horrible way?
It's called a wake up call and again is becuase of our sinfull nature.
More recent horrors can be linked to mans disregard to the natural
established global eviroment. The more we waste the more judgment
falls.
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent
children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age?
Maybe it just happens because of a millions of reason we shall never
understand. This argument will never prove evolution.
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this
caring benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to kill
and eat other animals to survive?
Diversedy is what makes life possible on earth, diversity also disprove
evolution. Why did not evolution stop after a few sucessfull spiecies.
That what evolution looks like it has done it stoped. If you believe
otherwise then present evidence of a recent evolved spices.
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
Sinfull man disobeying g-D will
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
Demonic sinfull men disobeying G-D plan
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed 270,000 lives; men, women and
innocent children of all religious persuasions. 100,000 of these were
totally innocent children!
Men over fishing because they do not know when there quiver is full.
No more fishing boats
The recent earthquake in Pakistan and India killed over 70,000 innocent
men, women and children of many religious persuasions. Over 2,500,000have
been left homeless with a harsh winter approaching.
You know I could go on claiming this or that but it won't prove
anything, I just don't know why, do you. All I know is that most of
the worlds troubles comes out of nations that have rejected the gospel
of Jesus Christ. Is it judgment it certenly looks that way. Take
Americas recent examples. 5 major huricans with a minimal life lost.
According to all weather perdictions the last 3 cat 5's should have
caused much more damage then they did. MAYBE some christians were
praying for America (look at my post for evidence of this).
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th,
14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
Dark ages when Religous purscusion was taking place against the true
believers of Christ.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Have to admit this was just wierd
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
Malaria- man destroying land he should leave alone.
AIDS - sinfull men spreading a man made disease
TB - A cure is known but it spreads becuse gready men and bad goverment
don't care or can't make money off of it.
Starvation - This again is men who shelfishly bring more childeren into
this world then this world can suport.
These afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of all religious
persuasions INCLUDING PERFECTLY INNOCENT CHILDREN.
You know most of the trouble you post can be drectly atrabuted to
sinfull nature of men, the destroyed enviroment, evil goverments, and
greed of man in general.
This all loving and all caring god also hates perfectly innocent animals
and afflicts them with many painful, debilitating and fatal diseases.
Presently a Mad Cow like disease is infecting millions of Sheep, Deer and
Elk. It has been determined that these wild animals are being infected
because infected animals release the disease causing prions in their
urine on the grass which other grazers then eat. Up to twenty percent of
these animals have become infected with this painful wasting and fatal
disease.
Most diseases on animals can be directly atributed to mans treatment of
stated animals. You you keep trying to blame the Blamless. You realy
need top look at your own action or inaction, there you will find mos
of the answers you seek.
Perhaps this loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean
and torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you
think he will let us enjoy peace and happiness in his eternal Heaven
after death?
He's not, but there is a place set aside for all those who do not wish
to obey His Son Chris Jesus.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is that, if there is a god creator, he has NO concern
about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.
You see it not that simple, for the truth of the matter He gave us this
Earth to care for it and nurture it. Hate to inform you but we are
doing a terrible job at it, hence all the suffering you discribe.
This is understandable because the Earth is but a speck of dust in the
unimaginably vast
Universe, of billions of Planets and Stars, that is over 20 BILLION LIGHT
YEARS across.
If you can't see G-D when you look up, how shollow can man go.
The objective evidence is that NO GOD CREATED MAN but quite the contrary;
that MAN CREATED GODS!
WHY
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
05 Nov 2005 09:26:58 AM |
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"tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1131179899.081372.88580@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
A good post that needs adressing.
Bill wrote:
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for the
existence of ANY Gods.
Evidence is readly found in a few churches that preach the truth of
Christ.
Then the exisitance of the church of Scientology is evidence
that Xenu killed billions of people on Earth (Teegeeack)
75 million years ago.
Christian's favorite evidence for the existence of their god is the
old
canard that the Universe could not just happen but had to have a
designer/creator. They refuse to consider the more logical and
scientific
process of evolution. If it was designed/created by some god, this god
has to be even more complex than the Universe, and using this same
logic,
would require that god would also have to have a creator. Who or what
created god?
Have to love this atrgument in it's nievity. You believe an unsuported
THEORY of evolution yet reject the truth of THE Creator. For each
truth you bring on evolution I can present equal facts to disprove any
evidence you might believe. Now on creation all you have against it is
that you can;t find G-D so their is no Creator. Yet Millions of people
have found G-D testifing that there is a Creator further disproving
your unprovable THERORY of evolution.
What has evolution got to do with God?
The Catholics believes in evolution.
Are they going to hell?
Many religious types claim the Intelligent Design of the Universe is
proof of god.
AHH, correct Now prove caos, For if the universe was at one time shot
out of a blendor and assembled it self. There must be some
unsucessfull portion somewhere.
What do you mean, "unsuccessful".
<snip>
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rb
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| User: "tsquare21" |
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07 Nov 2005 09:27:15 PM |
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1131179899.081372.88580@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
A good post that needs adressing.
Bill wrote:
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for the
existence of ANY Gods.
Evidence is readly found in a few churches that preach the truth of
Christ.
Then the exisitance of the church of Scientology is evidence
that Xenu killed billions of people on Earth (Teegeeack)
75 million years ago.
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By the
way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution to take
place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not possible.
NOW you see that called a counter point, you made a Comment (there is a
difference from a point) and i though it was not required (for you mad
no counter points) answered with a counter. My counter should have
been for some fact that you did not present in this discussion.
This is realy riducles I have to present arguments that I fill is worth
answering. Very rare does any one present any perient point to answer.
There has been a few though.
Christian's favorite evidence for the existence of their god is the
old
canard that the Universe could not just happen but had to have a
designer/creator. They refuse to consider the more logical and
scientific
process of evolution. If it was designed/created by some god, this god
has to be even more complex than the Universe, and using this same
logic,
would require that god would also have to have a creator. Who or what
created god?
Have to love this atrgument in it's nievity. You believe an unsuported
THEORY of evolution yet reject the truth of THE Creator. For each
truth you bring on evolution I can present equal facts to disprove any
evidence you might believe. Now on creation all you have against it is
that you can;t find G-D so their is no Creator. Yet Millions of people
have found G-D testifing that there is a Creator further disproving
your unprovable THERORY of evolution.
What has evolution got to do with God?
The Catholics believes in evolution.
Are they going to hell?
Something about Cake and eating it too, It can't be done. You can't
believe in G-D and evolution also. Either or not both, sorry if you
have friends that believe that but they have to sort it out for them
selfs. By the way, all has come face to face with the truth, either
now or later. "ALL knee shall bow and tounge confess that Jesus Christ
is Lord".
Many religious types claim the Intelligent Design of the Universe is
proof of god.
AHH, correct Now prove caos, For if the universe was at one time shot
out of a blendor and assembled it self. There must be some
unsucessfull portion somewhere.
What do you mean, "unsuccessful".
That one is a hard one for since in the univerese all we see is order,
most caotic and beautifull. It's realy hard to know what an
unsucessfull evoloved state would be. As your Natural Selection
therory is unproven so is a unsucessfull Galaxy. It might look like a
great swatch of galatic groupings that never coalested or whatever.
Maybe a galitic size cloud because not having a gravitational
consedent, as all we know have. This might happened because they never
formed propper structale bonds or to great of a bond and all
collapases. Addresed this point in another post, way back though.
<snip>
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rb
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08 Nov 2005 06:08:49 AM |
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"tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1131420435.151580.178940@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure),
Yea, and a live grasshopper was tested by the carbon 14 dating system to be
2000 years old.
There's nothing more accurate than science. ;-()
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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08 Nov 2005 02:49:43 PM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1131420435.151580.178940@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure),
Yea, and a live grasshopper was tested by the carbon 14 dating system to be
2000 years old.
===>Another creationist urban legend? -- L.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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08 Nov 2005 08:48:03 AM |
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In alt.atheism On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:08:49 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
"tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1131420435.151580.178940@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure),
Yea, and a live grasshopper was tested by the carbon 14 dating system to be
2000 years old.
Sources? Cites?
Don
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| User: "tsquare21" |
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08 Nov 2005 11:02:23 AM |
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Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:08:49 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
"tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1131420435.151580.178940@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure),
Lucy 1.6 MILLION years (time frame longer then i stated)
Yea, and a live grasshopper was tested by the carbon 14 dating system to be
2000 years old.
Sources? Cites?
DON look at you lame post, I just cited PROOF of what is clamed,
Right. YOU now have to preset some comment, opinion, evidence, or web
site stating why Lucy is possible. For I claim that man record and/or
genology can be only traced 6,000 years. So the evidence you need to
present is man older then 6,000. As our grasshopper here has claimed,
carbon 14 MAY not be accurate, so that evidence is not admissable.
simply Address the issues and points completly not your -2 wordders-
that must have somehow got you through what ever education you have.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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08 Nov 2005 11:25:44 AM |
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On 8 Nov 2005 09:02:23 -0800, "tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com>
wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:08:49 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
"tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com> wrote in message
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Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure),
Lucy 1.6 MILLION years (time frame longer then i stated)
He said modern man, moron.
Lucy is not Homo Sapiens but an earlier species. Australopithecus
Afarens (sp?).
Are you proud of your in-our-face ignorance?
Yea, and a live grasshopper was tested by the carbon 14 dating system to be
2000 years old.
Sources? Cites?
DON look at you lame post, I just cited PROOF of what is clamed,
Where, liar?
Is Australopithecus a grasshopper on your planet? What colour is its
sky?
Right. YOU now have to preset some comment, opinion, evidence, or web
site stating why Lucy is possible. For I claim that man record and/or
genology can be only traced 6,000 years. So the evidence you need to
present is man older then 6,000. As our grasshopper here has claimed,
carbon 14 MAY not be accurate, so that evidence is not admissable.
Idiot.
Those who use carbon dating know to calibrate it, what its limitations
are, etc, and take those into account.
The half life of C14 and the low proportion of C14/C12 means that it
is known to be inaccurate past maybe 50,000 years. So other
radioactive dating methods are used, like K/Ar.
simply Address the issues and points completly not your -2 wordders-
that must have somehow got you through what ever education you have.
What points? You have none.
And you're not interested in being educated, just rubbing your
ignorant nonsense in our faces.
None of this has anything to do with atheism.
If you were serious you would ask on talk.origins where educated
theists who know a heck of a lot more about these things than you do,
will attempt to educate you.
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| User: "tsquare21" |
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08 Nov 2005 05:27:33 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 8 Nov 2005 09:02:23 -0800, "tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com>
wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:08:49 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
"tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1131420435.151580.178940@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure),
Lucy 1.6 MILLION years (time frame longer then i stated)
He said modern man, moron.
Lucy is not Homo Sapiens but an earlier species. Australopithecus
Afarens (sp?).
Are you proud of your in-our-face ignorance?
OHH everyone looky here Chris caught me in an error on usernet. BIG
deal
Has he addressed any preitent points that is evidence of moderen man
older then 6,000 years
of course not that would be to much for one to expect Cris to address
any points on the issues. hey Bub, man older then 6,000 years, it
should be easy so present you web site or opinions on this matter
Yea, and a live grasshopper was tested by the carbon 14 dating system to be
2000 years old.
Sources? Cites?
DON look at you lame post, I just cited PROOF of what is clamed,
Where, liar?
OK Chris I claim man is only 6,000 years on this earth. prove to me
that man has been residing on this earth for over 10,000 years. simple
now do it. You won't be able to. I'll even up the anti, this proof
also will prove that G-D does not exist.
Is Australopithecus a grasshopper on your planet? What colour is its
sky?
Right. YOU now have to preset some comment, opinion, evidence, or web
site stating why Lucy is possible. For I claim that man record and/or
genology can be only traced 6,000 years. So the evidence you need to
present is man older then 6,000. As our grasshopper here has claimed,
carbon 14 MAY not be accurate, so that evidence is not admissable.
Idiot.
Those who use carbon dating know to calibrate it, what its limitations
are, etc, and take those into account.
The half life of C14 and the low proportion of C14/C12 means that it
is known to be inaccurate past maybe 50,000 years. So other
radioactive dating methods are used, like K/Ar.
Wait a minute if it is know to be inacurate over a period and the dated
material can be subjected to inviroments that causes this inacuretcies
then the method is suspect.
simply Address the issues and points completly not your -2 wordders-
that must have somehow got you through what ever education you have.
What points? You have none.
And you're not interested in being educated, just rubbing your
ignorant nonsense in our faces.
None of this has anything to do with atheism.
Intlegent designe does the header i am addressing
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| User: "Robert_L" |
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08 Nov 2005 06:03:28 PM |
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OK Chris I claim man is only 6,000 years on this earth. prove to me
that man has been residing on this earth for over 10,000 years. simple
now do it. You won't be able to. I'll even up the anti, this proof
also will prove that G-D does not exist.
Don't know who Chris is, and I hate to jump into the middle of a
thread, but "modern" man is known to be well over 100,000 years old,
brilliant scientists who have forgotten more than you and I will ever
know have proven this many times over. But you're smarter than all of
them, aren't you?
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html
http://www.fossilmuseum.net/UD%20desktop/UD_destop_postings/Omo.htm
http://www.janesoceania.com/melanesia_origins/
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/12/1212_021213_journeyofman.html
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2004-12-10-wonderquest_x.htm
http://www.ishipress.com/neander.htm
http://epswww.unm.edu/facstaff/zsharp/106/lecture%2011,%20expansion%20of%20man.htm
http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news255.htm
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| User: "tsquare21" |
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09 Nov 2005 07:41:08 PM |
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Robert_L wrote:
OK Chris I claim man is only 6,000 years on this earth. prove to me
that man has been residing on this earth for over 10,000 years. simple
now do it. You won't be able to. I'll even up the anti, this proof
also will prove that G-D does not exist.
Don't know who Chris is, and I hate to jump into the middle of a
thread, but "modern" man is known to be well over 100,000 years old,
brilliant scientists who have forgotten more than you and I will ever
know have proven this many times over. But you're smarter than all of
them, aren't you?
Gladly review your sites of fiction
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html
There are two theories about the origin of modern humans: 1) they arose
in one place -- Africa and 2) pre-modern humans migrated from Africa to
become modern humans in other parts of the world.
Not a very promising start of a fact suposedly based site. Does anyone
still understand when one claims that THIS is only a THEORY
Shortly after fully modern humans entered Europe, roughly 40,000 years
ago, the Neanderthals began a fairly rapid decline, culminating in
their disappearance roughly 30,000 years ago. Neanderthals were
apparently no match for the technologically advanced fully modern
humans who invaded Europe and evidence for interbreeding of these two
types of hominids is equivocal.
The complete site reads like a dime store novel, no archeology
evidence is presented and the numerous mentions of neathderthal man,
when NONE has yet been discovered shoud question the validty of this
site.
http://www.fossilmuseum.net/UD%20desktop/UD_destop_postings/Omo.htm
Sorry but carbon dating is suspect at best, new Technick or not. The
reason Any dating is suspect is that over time we do not no what
enviroment or condamination that the materal being dated was subject
to. As you well through the OJ trials any contamination can through
the case out of court.
http://www.janesoceania.com/melanesia_origins/
Again nice fiction and where did he get those skeltons. Last I heard
that the most earlest skelton was assembled from 5-6 square inches of
skelton? Bones (mande those numbers up but not far off). Are those
complete skeltons or composites. If composites then again nice
fiction. What bothered me most is the time line. If those distance
lands New Guina, Americas, etc. Why when we discovered them they were
populated so sparsley. Just to many holes, notable is the lack of
evidence, just some fiction writer spewing his beilefe.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/12/1212_021213_journeyofman.html
Of course, not everyone agrees with him.
Of course not, here we find some one that diffenily has placed ALL
moderen man at 60,000 years old MAXIUM. So all those 100,000 years
THEORYS are out the genitic tree. Interesting that he determined
60,000 as the number and G-D said 6,000 . Me I'll stick to Who I know
is correct.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2004-12-10-wonderquest_x.htm
A reconstruction of an early man (Austrolopithecus africanus)
This one has to be the best one yet -a clay figure as evidenc LOL, you
guys are jokes, cause this has to be one.
2.4 to 1.5 million years ago.Homo habilis. Bipedal and similar to the
australopithecines but with smaller back teeth. Definitely an early
man. Possibly able to talk, judging from a bulge (Broca's area) in the
cranium (visible in only one skull) that is essential for speech.
Habilis was about 4 feet (1.2 m) tall.
So, to answer your question. Man is, maybe, as old as 7 million years
and, surely, as old as 2.4 million years.
From 130,000 to 60,000 now were way up to maybe 7 million -what can I
say NEXT
http://www.ishipress.com/neander.htm
No plans to bring Neanderthals back to life at present despite notices
around here which say "NEANDERTHAL AND PROUD".
The best way would be to incorporate genetic material from the frozen
body of a Neanderthal into a modern human material.
That such a find has yet to be discovered out there in the frozen
tundra. (What are thought to be Neanderthal tools - i.e. Mousterian-
are known from Krupovaya Gora in Russia which is only 60 Km from the
Arctic Circle).
YET to be discovered Fiction Fiction Fiction Fiction Fiction did you
get my point
http://epswww.unm.edu/facstaff/zsharp/106/lecture%2011,%20expansion%20of%20man.htm
Interesting site of course 130,000 estimated time line presented again
with no evidence
How small might the bottleneck have been? As small as 40 breeding
females for 200 years or 4000 over a period of 20,000 years. Reasonable
estimates are several thousand.
The botteel neck theory is interesting in that I believe the Bibel
mentions that all of man was wiped ou except for 4 breading pairs.
This is interesting in that the lowest estimate is 40 pairs. Since
scientist love to pad figures we can extrapulate from the last DNA
evidence we had of 60,000 years. Since both figures divide equaly into
10 then we have evidence that the BIBLE is correct.
http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news255.htm
Let me get this strait one group claims 60,000 max another 7 millon,
yet the majority states 80,000- 100,000+. Then we have this other
group claiming a bottelneck that would screw all estimates. So all
evidence as presented as fact look to be just Theories and not fully
supported.
Be fair now, this is an acurate summary is it not.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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08 Nov 2005 06:23:24 AM |
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:08:49 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1131420435.151580.178940@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure),
Yea, and a live grasshopper was tested by the carbon 14 dating system to be
2000 years old.
Idiot.
There's nothing more accurate than science. ;-()
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08 Nov 2005 02:54:20 PM |
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In fact the "Intelligent Design" idea contributes absolutely
NOTHING to our knowledge or understanding of our world
or of ourselves.
IDers see a snow flake and throw up their collective hand
saying: we don't know how, but it is too complex not to have
been designed by a "creator". -- L.
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08 Nov 2005 09:17:47 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:54:20 -0700, Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
In fact the "Intelligent Design" idea contributes absolutely
NOTHING to our knowledge or understanding of our world
or of ourselves.
IDers see a snow flake and throw up their collective hand
saying: we don't know how, but it is too complex not to have
been designed by a "creator". -- L.
Do they say how this creator came to be?
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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08 Nov 2005 10:07:02 PM |
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"tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com> wrote in message
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"tsquare21" <tlthomas21@netscape.com> wrote in message
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A good post that needs adressing.
Bill wrote:
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Evidence is readly found in a few churches that preach the truth of
Christ.
Then the exisitance of the church of Scientology is evidence
that Xenu killed billions of people on Earth (Teegeeack)
75 million years ago.
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By the
way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution to take
place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not possible.
What? How does that make sense?
Are you implying that if modern humans existed 50,000 years
ago then there should be writing that old?
Should there be 50,000 year old cellphones?
NOW you see that called a counter point, you made a Comment (there is a
difference from a point) and i though it was not required (for you mad
no counter points) answered with a counter. My counter should have
been for some fact that you did not present in this discussion.
If evidence of the existence of God "is readly found in a few
churches that preach the truth of Christ" then isn't the church
of Scientology evidence of the existence of Xenu?
This is realy riducles I have to present arguments that I fill is worth
answering.
Do you have some good reason why your spelling is
so poor?
Very rare does any one present any perient point to answer.
There has been a few though.
<snip>
Have to love this atrgument in it's nievity. You believe an unsuported
THEORY of evolution yet reject the truth of THE Creator. For each
truth you bring on evolution I can present equal facts to disprove any
evidence you might believe. Now on creation all you have against it is
that you can;t find G-D so their is no Creator. Yet Millions of people
have found G-D testifing that there is a Creator further disproving
your unprovable THERORY of evolution.
What has evolution got to do with God?
The Catholics believes in evolution.
Are they going to hell?
Something about Cake and eating it too, It can't be done. You can't
believe in G-D and evolution also.
Why?
It used to be thought that you couldn't believe the
Earth revolved around the Sun and believe in God.
How is this any different?
Either or not both, sorry if you
have friends that believe that but they have to sort it out for them
selfs. By the way, all has come face to face with the truth, either
now or later. "ALL knee shall bow and tounge confess that Jesus Christ
is Lord".
Many religious types claim the Intelligent Design of the Universe
is
proof of god.
AHH, correct Now prove caos, For if the universe was at one time shot
out of a blendor and assembled it self. There must be some
unsucessfull portion somewhere.
What do you mean, "unsuccessful".
That one is a hard one for since in the univerese all we see is order,
most caotic and beautifull.
Well I guess we don't have to "prove caos" now since
you state that order is "caotic".
It's realy hard to know what an
unsucessfull evoloved state would be. As your Natural Selection
therory is unproven so is a unsucessfull Galaxy. It might look like a
great swatch of galatic groupings that never coalested or whatever.
So since you say you haven't observed something you can't define,
that supports your point?
Maybe a galitic size cloud because not having a gravitational
consedent, as all we know have. This might happened because they never
formed propper structale bonds or to great of a bond and all
collapases. Addresed this point in another post, way back though.
"coalested"? "galitic"? "consedent"? "structale"?
"collapases"?
Forgive me for asking, but were you drunk?
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rb
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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09 Nov 2005 06:05:13 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in message
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Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By the
way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution to take
place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not possible.
What? How does that make sense?
Are you implying that if modern humans existed 50,000 years
ago then there should be writing that old?
Should there be 50,000 year old cellphones?
Actually, I think if we apply Darwin's theory of evolution and Einstein's
theory of relativity to our modern advancments of technology, we shoud have
been in the stone age about 200 years ago.
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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09 Nov 2005 07:41:53 AM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KBlcf.8755$0l5.4738@dukeread06...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in message
news:GBecf.4654$Hs.3852@tornado.socal.rr.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By the
way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution to take
place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not possible.
What? How does that make sense?
Are you implying that if modern humans existed 50,000 years
ago then there should be writing that old?
Should there be 50,000 year old cellphones?
Actually, I think if we apply Darwin's theory of evolution and Einstein's
theory of relativity to our modern advancments of technology, we shoud
have been in the stone age about 200 years ago.
or, if the zealous christian fanatical fundamentalists have their way ....
two years from now.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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09 Nov 2005 04:30:17 PM |
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KBlcf.8755$0l5.4738@dukeread06...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in message
news:GBecf.4654$Hs.3852@tornado.socal.rr.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By the
way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution to take
place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not possible.
What? How does that make sense?
Are you implying that if modern humans existed 50,000 years
ago then there should be writing that old?
Should there be 50,000 year old cellphones?
Actually, I think if we apply Darwin's theory of evolution and Einstein's
theory of relativity to our modern advancments of technology, we shoud
have been in the stone age about 200 years ago.
or, if the zealous christian fanatical fundamentalists have their way ....
two years from now.
Exactly who are you referring to here?
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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09 Nov 2005 04:35:56 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:LLucf.9347$0l5.3612@dukeread06:
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11n3v4qrntdfk0a@corp.supernews.com...
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KBlcf.8755$0l5.4738@dukeread06...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in message
news:GBecf.4654$Hs.3852@tornado.socal.rr.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By
the way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution
to take place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not
possible.
What? How does that make sense?
Are you implying that if modern humans existed 50,000 years
ago then there should be writing that old?
Should there be 50,000 year old cellphones?
Actually, I think if we apply Darwin's theory of evolution and
Einstein's theory of relativity to our modern advancments of
technology, we shoud have been in the stone age about 200 years ago.
or, if the zealous christian fanatical fundamentalists have their way
.... two years from now.
Exactly who are you referring to here?
Which word don't you understand?
--
"So there is no third law of Terrydynamics."
-- William Hyde
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
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| User: "tsquare21" |
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10 Nov 2005 12:38:10 AM |
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Exlecent point Shame no one got the humor or the implications of what
you present.
Does advancement realy make us better humans, and for that matter if I
may more advanced per say. Or just a greater opretunity to acerbate
the folly that we are known for.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
09 Nov 2005 07:00:11 AM |
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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:05:13 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in message
news:GBecf.4654$Hs.3852@tornado.socal.rr.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By the
way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution to take
place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not possible.
What? How does that make sense?
Are you implying that if modern humans existed 50,000 years
ago then there should be writing that old?
Should there be 50,000 year old cellphones?
Actually, I think if we apply Darwin's theory of evolution and Einstein's
theory of relativity to our modern advancments of technology, we shoud have
been in the stone age about 200 years ago.
We've been doing both for years, and we aren't in the stone age.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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09 Nov 2005 04:29:16 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:05:13 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in message
news:GBecf.4654$Hs.3852@tornado.socal.rr.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By the
way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution to take
place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not possible.
What? How does that make sense?
Are you implying that if modern humans existed 50,000 years
ago then there should be writing that old?
Should there be 50,000 year old cellphones?
Actually, I think if we apply Darwin's theory of evolution and Einstein's
theory of relativity to our modern advancments of technology, we shoud
have
been in the stone age about 200 years ago.
We've been doing both for years, and we aren't in the stone age.
Do you have any objective verifiable evidence of this?
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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09 Nov 2005 04:35:28 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:NKucf.9346$0l5.7633@dukeread06:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:05:13 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in message
news:GBecf.4654$Hs.3852@tornado.socal.rr.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By
the way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution
to take place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not
possible.
What? How does that make sense?
Are you implying that if modern humans existed 50,000 years
ago then there should be writing that old?
Should there be 50,000 year old cellphones?
Actually, I think if we apply Darwin's theory of evolution and
Einstein's theory of relativity to our modern advancments of
technology, we shoud have
been in the stone age about 200 years ago.
We've been doing both for years, and we aren't in the stone age.
Do you have any objective verifiable evidence of this?
Do you have any objective verifiable evidence that a single person involved
in this cross-posted wankfest is not a retard?
--
"So there is no third law of Terrydynamics."
-- William Hyde
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
09 Nov 2005 05:55:45 PM |
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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:29:16 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:jls3n1p4t37mvaml4l3le7t9umin2cl1iu@4ax.com...
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:05:13 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in message
news:GBecf.4654$Hs.3852@tornado.socal.rr.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By the
way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution to take
place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not possible.
What? How does that make sense?
Are you implying that if modern humans existed 50,000 years
ago then there should be writing that old?
Should there be 50,000 year old cellphones?
Actually, I think if we apply Darwin's theory of evolution and Einstein's
theory of relativity to our modern advancments of technology, we shoud
have
been in the stone age about 200 years ago.
We've been doing both for years, and we aren't in the stone age.
Do you have any objective verifiable evidence of this?
Do they have biotech, DNA analysis, gene splicing etc on your planet?
Or equations that accurately predict the orbit of Mercury?
Why are creationists so frikking in-your-face ignorant?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
09 Nov 2005 06:54:49 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:29:16 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:jls3n1p4t37mvaml4l3le7t9umin2cl1iu@4ax.com...
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:05:13 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in message
news:GBecf.4654$Hs.3852@tornado.socal.rr.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By the
way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution to take
place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not possible.
What? How does that make sense?
Are you implying that if modern humans existed 50,000 years
ago then there should be writing that old?
Should there be 50,000 year old cellphones?
Actually, I think if we apply Darwin's theory of evolution and Einstein's
theory of relativity to our modern advancments of technology, we shoud
have
been in the stone age about 200 years ago.
We've been doing both for years, and we aren't in the stone age.
Do you have any objective verifiable evidence of this?
Do they have biotech, DNA analysis, gene splicing etc on your planet?
Or equations that accurately predict the orbit of Mercury?
Why are creationists so frikking in-your-face ignorant?
===>Because they are brainwashed into believeing the BIBLE
is the "word of God", and tells us all we need to know.
(Why do you think Christians destroyed practically all human
knowledge collected in the Alexandria Library?) -- L.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
09 Nov 2005 07:58:03 PM |
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:54:49 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:29:16 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:jls3n1p4t37mvaml4l3le7t9umin2cl1iu@4ax.com...
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:05:13 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in message
news:GBecf.4654$Hs.3852@tornado.socal.rr.com...
Or one better, Moderen Man has been around for 600,000 - 50,000
(eveolutionest are not sure), YET we have figured out writting,
massonary, pottery, jewelry, or ORAL history for only 6,000. By the
way that would be a fraction of the time period for evolution to take
place. AND HENCE more evidence that evolution is not possible.
What? How does that make sense?
Are you implying that if modern humans existed 50,000 years
ago then there should be writing that old?
Should there be 50,000 year old cellphones?
Actually, I think if we apply Darwin's theory of evolution and Einstein's
theory of relativity to our modern advancments of technology, we shoud
have
been in the stone age about 200 years ago.
We've been doing both for years, and we aren't in the stone age.
Do you have any objective verifiable evidence of this?
Do they have biotech, DNA analysis, gene splicing etc on your planet?
Or equations that accurately predict the orbit of Mercury?
Why are creationists so frikking in-your-face ignorant?
===>Because they are brainwashed into believeing the BIBLE
is the "word of God", and tells us all we need to know.
(Why do you think Christians destroyed practically all human
knowledge collected in the Alexandria Library?) -- L.
They also flayed the skin off Hypatia's body when they destroyed the
library.
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