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"Jim07D5" |
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20 Dec 2005 10:55:18 AM |
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Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The DASD
ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon test,
and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
21 Dec 2005 01:29:08 AM |
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In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The DASD
ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon test,
and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should be
very interesting.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
21 Dec 2005 09:21:09 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:29:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The DASD
ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon test,
and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should be
very interesting.
/cue hellacious tantrum.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
22 Dec 2005 01:41:43 AM |
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In article <qmsiq1pvsi6qkuualpl0et8sji6ulqv6kr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:29:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The DASD
ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon test,
and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should be
very interesting.
/cue hellacious tantrum.
Tomorrow, on his crappy TV show, Pat Robertson will call down a rain of
fire and brimstone on Judge Jones to be followed by a plague of locusts
and then frogs for good measure.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Gail Futoran" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
22 Dec 2005 06:43:24 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-15D92F.23414321122005@news.giganews.com...
In article <qmsiq1pvsi6qkuualpl0et8sji6ulqv6kr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:29:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The DASD
ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon test,
and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should be
very interesting.
/cue hellacious tantrum.
Tomorrow, on his crappy TV show, Pat Robertson will call down a rain of
fire and brimstone on Judge Jones to be followed by a plague of locusts
and then frogs for good measure.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
I'm waiting for the far right to start describing
Judge Jones as a "liberal, atheist, god-hating,
activist judge" as opposed to the reality ... oh
wait, "reality" - what's that to the far right?
Gail aa#2247
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
23 Dec 2005 12:47:58 AM |
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In article
<Mbxqf.331685$zb5.179938@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Gail Futoran" <futoran@nospam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-15D92F.23414321122005@news.giganews.com...
In article <qmsiq1pvsi6qkuualpl0et8sji6ulqv6kr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:29:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The DASD
ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon test,
and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should be
very interesting.
/cue hellacious tantrum.
Tomorrow, on his crappy TV show, Pat Robertson will call down a rain of
fire and brimstone on Judge Jones to be followed by a plague of locusts
and then frogs for good measure.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
I'm waiting for the far right to start describing
Judge Jones as a "liberal, atheist, god-hating,
activist judge"
They already have:
http://www.earnedmedia.org/ceai1222.htm
http://www.seattlest.com/archives/2005/12/21/discovery_institute_0_intell
igence_1.php
as opposed to the reality ... oh
wait, "reality" - what's that to the far right?
That which they can't see by day and makes them afraid at night.
Gail aa#2247
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
22 Dec 2005 08:22:38 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:43:24 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
<futoran@nospam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-15D92F.23414321122005@news.giganews.com...
In article <qmsiq1pvsi6qkuualpl0et8sji6ulqv6kr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:29:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The DASD
ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon test,
and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should be
very interesting.
/cue hellacious tantrum.
Tomorrow, on his crappy TV show, Pat Robertson will call down a rain of
fire and brimstone on Judge Jones to be followed by a plague of locusts
and then frogs for good measure.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
I'm waiting for the far right to start describing
Judge Jones as a "liberal, atheist, god-hating,
activist judge" as opposed to the reality ... oh
wait, "reality" - what's that to the far right?
This is. Some observations by a young lady:
What do I dislike about theism?...Let me count the ways...
I dislike the hypocrisy,
the corruption,
the greed
and the lies.
I dislike the veneration of ignorance,
the glorification of idiocy,
the wild-eyed hatred of progress
and the fear of education, which send the faithful shrieking,
vampire-like, from the light of knowledge.
I dislike the way in which prejudice
is passed off as piety.
The way superstition is peddled as wisdom.
The way intolerance is raised to the lofty heights
of "Truth".
I dislike how hatred is taught as love,
how fear is instilled as kindness,
how slavery is pressed as freedom,
and how contempt for life is dressed up and adored as spirituality.
I dislike the shackles religions place on the mind,
corrupting, twisting and crushing the spirit
until the believer has been brought down to a suitable state
of worthlessness.
So lost and self-loathing, so bereft of hope or pride,
that they can look into the hallucinated face of their imaginary
oppressor
and feel unbounded love and gratitude for the additional suffering
it has declined,
as yet,
to visit upon them.
I dislike people's need for a communal delusion,
like drug addicts who unite just to share the same needle.
I dislike the way reason is reviled as a vice
and reality is decreed to be a matter of convenience.
The way common sense and ordinary human decency
get re-named "holy law" and advertised as the sole province
of the faithful.
I dislike religions' wholesale theft of any number
of ancient mythologies,
only to turn around and proclaim
how "unique" their doctrine is.
I dislike how intelligence is held as suspect
and inquiry is reviled as a high crime.
I dislike the pillaging of the impoverished,
the extortion of the gullible,
the manipulation of the ignorant
and the domination of the weak.
I dislike the invention of sins
for the satisfaction of those who desire to punish.
I dislike the demonization of unbelievers,
The ill-concealed hate of proselytizers,
The hysterical rants of holy rollers,
The wigged-out warnings of psychic healers,
The dismantling of public education via religious school vouchers,
The erosion of civil rights by theocratic right-wingers,
The righteous wrath of gun-toting true believers,
The destruction wrought by holy warriors,
The blood-drenched fatwas of ayatollas,
and the apocalyptic prophesies of unmedicated messiahs.
Most of all, though, I dislike the certain knowledge
that religion,
in one grotesque form or other,
will be with us so long as there is a single dark, cobwebbed corner
of the human imagination
that a believer can stuff a god into.
Alikhat
/end
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
22 Dec 2005 08:21:05 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:41:43 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <qmsiq1pvsi6qkuualpl0et8sji6ulqv6kr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:29:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The DASD
ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon test,
and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should be
very interesting.
/cue hellacious tantrum.
Tomorrow, on his crappy TV show, Pat Robertson will call down a rain of
fire and brimstone on Judge Jones to be followed by a plague of locusts
and then frogs for good measure.
in 'love'.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
23 Dec 2005 12:42:31 AM |
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In article <6idlq1h6cm1btiiv1bpobj5b0r82hpukgf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:41:43 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <qmsiq1pvsi6qkuualpl0et8sji6ulqv6kr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:29:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The DASD
ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon test,
and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should be
very interesting.
/cue hellacious tantrum.
Tomorrow, on his crappy TV show, Pat Robertson will call down a rain of
fire and brimstone on Judge Jones to be followed by a plague of locusts
and then frogs for good measure.
in 'love'.
Heh!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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21 Dec 2005 12:38:23 PM |
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johac wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The
DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon
test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should
be very interesting.
They will, as usual, distort what has happened, mewl
lots of lies and slander everybody in sight.
What is going to be interesting is, how this case
is used in other courts, when ID is challenged.
I suspect eventually Kansas will be challenged.
--
Wassail, Happy Holidays, Merry Solstice, Happy
Saturnalia, mull the wine and pass the eggnog.
Cheerful Charlie
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
22 Dec 2005 01:33:54 AM |
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In article <11qj86th6t9akc1@corp.supernews.com>,
wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The
DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon
test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should
be very interesting.
They will, as usual, distort what has happened, mewl
lots of lies and slander everybody in sight.
What is going to be interesting is, how this case
is used in other courts, when ID is challenged.
I suspect eventually Kansas will be challenged.
The losers have started crying already:
http://www.seattlest.com/archives/2005/12/21/discovery_institute_0_intell
igence_1.php
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
22 Dec 2005 08:23:10 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:38:23 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The
DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon
test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should
be very interesting.
They will, as usual, distort what has happened, mewl
lots of lies and slander everybody in sight.
What is going to be interesting is, how this case
is used in other courts, when ID is challenged.
I suspect eventually Kansas will be challenged.
Kansas, and Talibama, are special education students.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
23 Dec 2005 12:41:10 AM |
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In article <oldlq11gbnc4hfv1rvi9e1p3eo2ivl05jb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:38:23 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The
DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon
test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should
be very interesting.
They will, as usual, distort what has happened, mewl
lots of lies and slander everybody in sight.
What is going to be interesting is, how this case
is used in other courts, when ID is challenged.
I suspect eventually Kansas will be challenged.
Kansas, and Talibama, are special education students.
It is a precedent, but that won't stop the creationists from trying. Not
only in Kansas, but there are attempts being made to replace science
with mythology in Georgia, Utah, Indiana, Michigan, SC, and probablyu
several others.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
23 Dec 2005 09:13:13 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:41:10 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <oldlq11gbnc4hfv1rvi9e1p3eo2ivl05jb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:38:23 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The
DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon
test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should
be very interesting.
They will, as usual, distort what has happened, mewl
lots of lies and slander everybody in sight.
What is going to be interesting is, how this case
is used in other courts, when ID is challenged.
I suspect eventually Kansas will be challenged.
Kansas, and Talibama, are special education students.
It is a precedent, but that won't stop the creationists from trying. Not
only in Kansas, but there are attempts being made to replace science
with mythology in Georgia, Utah, Indiana, Michigan, SC, and probablyu
several others.
I think this case brought those attempts to a screetching halt.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
24 Dec 2005 01:36:34 AM |
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In article <hu4oq1tqp70iuqj439ihb8gmiv2tg2p2c9@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:41:10 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <oldlq11gbnc4hfv1rvi9e1p3eo2ivl05jb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:38:23 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The
DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon
test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should
be very interesting.
They will, as usual, distort what has happened, mewl
lots of lies and slander everybody in sight.
What is going to be interesting is, how this case
is used in other courts, when ID is challenged.
I suspect eventually Kansas will be challenged.
Kansas, and Talibama, are special education students.
It is a precedent, but that won't stop the creationists from trying. Not
only in Kansas, but there are attempts being made to replace science
with mythology in Georgia, Utah, Indiana, Michigan, SC, and probablyu
several others.
I think this case brought those attempts to a screetching halt.
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they will
keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next big
attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district where
they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing, like GA or KS.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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25 Dec 2005 08:27:19 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:36:34 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <hu4oq1tqp70iuqj439ihb8gmiv2tg2p2c9@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:41:10 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <oldlq11gbnc4hfv1rvi9e1p3eo2ivl05jb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:38:23 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The
DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon
test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should
be very interesting.
They will, as usual, distort what has happened, mewl
lots of lies and slander everybody in sight.
What is going to be interesting is, how this case
is used in other courts, when ID is challenged.
I suspect eventually Kansas will be challenged.
Kansas, and Talibama, are special education students.
It is a precedent, but that won't stop the creationists from trying. Not
only in Kansas, but there are attempts being made to replace science
with mythology in Georgia, Utah, Indiana, Michigan, SC, and probablyu
several others.
I think this case brought those attempts to a screetching halt.
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they will
keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next big
attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district where
they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing, like GA or KS.
And that they've zero credibility has to be demonstrated over and over
and over and over. Madness.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
25 Dec 2005 01:24:34 AM |
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In article <41btq1pcmp8v8ntot9ke7e3gsre324giaj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:36:34 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <hu4oq1tqp70iuqj439ihb8gmiv2tg2p2c9@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:41:10 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <oldlq11gbnc4hfv1rvi9e1p3eo2ivl05jb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:38:23 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The
DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon
test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should
be very interesting.
They will, as usual, distort what has happened, mewl
lots of lies and slander everybody in sight.
What is going to be interesting is, how this case
is used in other courts, when ID is challenged.
I suspect eventually Kansas will be challenged.
Kansas, and Talibama, are special education students.
It is a precedent, but that won't stop the creationists from trying. Not
only in Kansas, but there are attempts being made to replace science
with mythology in Georgia, Utah, Indiana, Michigan, SC, and probablyu
several others.
I think this case brought those attempts to a screetching halt.
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they will
keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next big
attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district where
they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing, like GA or KS.
And that they've zero credibility has to be demonstrated over and over
and over and over. Madness.
They are so blinded by their idiotic attempts to get ID into the science
class that they do miss other opportunities to introduce students to the
topic. It could be taught in History, Darwin's accomplishments and the
controversy that they generated, or in a current events class where the
debate about politically motivated attempts to inject ID/creationism
into the schoolroom could be discussed.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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25 Dec 2005 11:10:16 AM |
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In article <jhachmann-9EE6A2.23243424122005@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <41btq1pcmp8v8ntot9ke7e3gsre324giaj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:36:34 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <hu4oq1tqp70iuqj439ihb8gmiv2tg2p2c9@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:41:10 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <oldlq11gbnc4hfv1rvi9e1p3eo2ivl05jb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:38:23 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The
DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of
the Lemon
test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should
be very interesting.
They will, as usual, distort what has happened, mewl
lots of lies and slander everybody in sight.
What is going to be interesting is, how this case
is used in other courts, when ID is challenged.
I suspect eventually Kansas will be challenged.
Kansas, and Talibama, are special education students.
It is a precedent, but that won't stop the creationists from
trying. Not
only in Kansas, but there are attempts being made to replace science
with mythology in Georgia, Utah, Indiana, Michigan, SC, and probablyu
several others.
I think this case brought those attempts to a screetching halt.
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they will
keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next big
attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district where
they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing, like GA or KS.
And that they've zero credibility has to be demonstrated over and over
and over and over. Madness.
They are so blinded by their idiotic attempts to get ID into the science
class that they do miss other opportunities to introduce students to the
topic. It could be taught in History, Darwin's accomplishments and the
controversy that they generated, or in a current events class where the
debate about politically motivated attempts to inject ID/creationism
into the schoolroom could be discussed.
Hello,
The advocates of evolution have nothing to fear. The vast majority of the
judges in America are liberals. The vast majority of the news media are
liberals. Even if the the advocates of ID succeed at the local level--the
lawyers of the evolutionists can keep appealing the case until a liberal
court rules in your favor. After the judge issued the ruling in favor of
evolution--the editors and reporters had stories praising the judge. All
of the other judges in America read those stories in the newspapers and
heard those stories on news programs.
They now know that if they ruled in favor of ID--they would be ridiculed
by the liberal news media and if they rule in favor of evolution--they
will be praised and complemented by the news media. In other words--they
would prefer to be praised and complemented than ridiculed. Therefore,
evolutionists have nothing to worry about.
Merry Christmas,
Jason
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25 Dec 2005 11:54:36 PM |
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In article <jason-2512050910160001@pm4-broad-48.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
(Jason) wrote:
In article <jhachmann-9EE6A2.23243424122005@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <41btq1pcmp8v8ntot9ke7e3gsre324giaj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:36:34 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <hu4oq1tqp70iuqj439ihb8gmiv2tg2p2c9@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:41:10 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <oldlq11gbnc4hfv1rvi9e1p3eo2ivl05jb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:38:23 -0600, wbarwell
<wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover
Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The
DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of
the Lemon
test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right
should
be very interesting.
They will, as usual, distort what has happened, mewl
lots of lies and slander everybody in sight.
What is going to be interesting is, how this case
is used in other courts, when ID is challenged.
I suspect eventually Kansas will be challenged.
Kansas, and Talibama, are special education students.
It is a precedent, but that won't stop the creationists from
trying. Not
only in Kansas, but there are attempts being made to replace science
with mythology in Georgia, Utah, Indiana, Michigan, SC, and probablyu
several others.
I think this case brought those attempts to a screetching halt.
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they will
keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next big
attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district where
they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing, like GA or
KS.
And that they've zero credibility has to be demonstrated over and over
and over and over. Madness.
They are so blinded by their idiotic attempts to get ID into the science
class that they do miss other opportunities to introduce students to the
topic. It could be taught in History, Darwin's accomplishments and the
controversy that they generated, or in a current events class where the
debate about politically motivated attempts to inject ID/creationism
into the schoolroom could be discussed.
Hello,
The advocates of evolution have nothing to fear. The vast majority of the
judges in America are liberals. The vast majority of the news media are
liberals. Even if the the advocates of ID succeed at the local level--the
lawyers of the evolutionists can keep appealing the case until a liberal
court rules in your favor. After the judge issued the ruling in favor of
evolution--the editors and reporters had stories praising the judge. All
of the other judges in America read those stories in the newspapers and
heard those stories on news programs.
They now know that if they ruled in favor of ID--they would be ridiculed
by the liberal news media and if they rule in favor of evolution--they
will be praised and complemented by the news media. In other words--they
would prefer to be praised and complemented than ridiculed. Therefore,
evolutionists have nothing to worry about.
Merry Christmas,
Jason
Judge Jones was appointed by Bush and confirmed by the conservative
dominated Senate. Regardless of his political persuasion, Jones dids did
what judges are supposed to do. He decided on the facts.
Have a nice Solstice celebration.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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25 Dec 2005 12:43:55 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:10:16 -0800, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in <jason-2512050910160001@pm4-broad-48.snlo.dialup.fix.net>
wrote:
[snip]
The advocates of evolution have nothing to fear. The vast majority of the
judges in America are liberals. The vast majority of the news media are
liberals.
By your standard you are a liar. You just made this up. If not then
please provide some evidence. The majority of federal judges, for
sure, were nominated by Reagan or one of the two Bushes. Are they
automatically liberals?
Even if the the advocates of ID succeed at the local level--the
lawyers of the evolutionists can keep appealing the case until a liberal
court rules in your favor.
You know nothing about the law, do you? You don't get to "keep
appealing". It goes federal judge, appeals court, Supreme Court. And
the majority of those are not liberals.
After the judge issued the ruling in favor of
evolution--the editors and reporters had stories praising the judge.
A Shrub appointee.
All
of the other judges in America read those stories in the newspapers and
heard those stories on news programs.
They now know that if they ruled in favor of ID--they would be ridiculed
by the liberal news media and if they rule in favor of evolution--they
will be praised and complemented by the news media. In other words--they
would prefer to be praised and complemented than ridiculed. Therefore,
evolutionists have nothing to worry about.
Some day, when you tire of sinning and tire of lying, look up the term
"argument um ad hominem". You know nothing of the law and you have no
objections to the content of the decision so you do what you seem to
love doing, you attack the person. A lifelong Republican, nominated by
the current president, confirmed by the current Senate, is, according
to you, liberal. Why? Because you don't like his decision. And why is
the decision bad? Because he is liberal. You turn people from Christ
and from God with every post.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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26 Dec 2005 09:52:38 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:43:55 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:10:16 -0800, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in <jason-2512050910160001@pm4-broad-48.snlo.dialup.fix.net>
wrote:
[snip]
The advocates of evolution have nothing to fear. The vast majority of the
judges in America are liberals. The vast majority of the news media are
liberals.
By your standard you are a liar. You just made this up. If not then
please provide some evidence. The majority of federal judges, for
sure, were nominated by Reagan or one of the two Bushes. Are they
automatically liberals?
Of course Jason's a liar, Matt. It comes with the territory.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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25 Dec 2005 08:10:38 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:24:34 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <41btq1pcmp8v8ntot9ke7e3gsre324giaj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:36:34 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <hu4oq1tqp70iuqj439ihb8gmiv2tg2p2c9@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:41:10 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <oldlq11gbnc4hfv1rvi9e1p3eo2ivl05jb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:38:23 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <qndgq1h4maqt7b0nnsrh95grocoratl3kk@4ax.com>,
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
"Kitzmiller Decision: Plaintiffs Prevail
December 20, 2005
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area
School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The
DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon
test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution."
See:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
--- Jim07D5
The Judge got it right. The reaction of the Religious right should
be very interesting.
They will, as usual, distort what has happened, mewl
lots of lies and slander everybody in sight.
What is going to be interesting is, how this case
is used in other courts, when ID is challenged.
I suspect eventually Kansas will be challenged.
Kansas, and Talibama, are special education students.
It is a precedent, but that won't stop the creationists from trying. Not
only in Kansas, but there are attempts being made to replace science
with mythology in Georgia, Utah, Indiana, Michigan, SC, and probablyu
several others.
I think this case brought those attempts to a screetching halt.
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they will
keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next big
attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district where
they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing, like GA or KS.
And that they've zero credibility has to be demonstrated over and over
and over and over. Madness.
They are so blinded by their idiotic attempts to get ID into the science
class that they do miss other opportunities to introduce students to the
topic. It could be taught in History, Darwin's accomplishments and the
controversy that they generated, or in a current events class where the
debate about politically motivated attempts to inject ID/creationism
into the schoolroom could be discussed.
Exactly.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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24 Dec 2005 03:52:35 PM |
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johac wrote:
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they
will keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next
big attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district
where they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing,
like GA or KS.
I kind of doubt that. We had this in the case
of Scientific Creationism in Arkansas and Lousiana.
There, the lies became central to the case.
Creationism left a trail of evidence that they
knew Scientific Creationism was not science and
was only a ploy to get religion into to schools.
That doomed their cases. We have a jusge here
noting lies, again.
And we have a chain of evidence such as the
Wedge Document and other statements that show
that indeed, they know it is not science.
Because of all of this, I believe they will avoid
taking things to court. They want to avoid courts like
the plague. It was the anti-creationists that use
the courts, and successfully at that. Now creationism
has a track record of deceits found out in court.
This means that the upper hand is with those
anti-creationists willing to go to court. What has
happened and this is subtler, is many states have
cut back on science teaching, keeping evolution out
of schools that way.
I suspect that this is what we will see more of.
New books and courses that cut back on evolution,
and muddy the waters with prissy, mealy-mouthed
double talk meant to obfusticate and confuse.
Creationist watchers have been noting this tendency
for years now.
--
Wassail, Happy Holidays, Merry Solstice, Happy
Saturnalia, mull the wine and pass the eggnog.
Cheerful Charlie
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25 Dec 2005 01:12:53 AM |
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In article <11qrgmjf3mpd9e4@corp.supernews.com>,
wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they
will keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next
big attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district
where they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing,
like GA or KS.
I kind of doubt that. We had this in the case
of Scientific Creationism in Arkansas and Lousiana.
There, the lies became central to the case.
Creationism left a trail of evidence that they
knew Scientific Creationism was not science and
was only a ploy to get religion into to schools.
That doomed their cases. We have a jusge here
noting lies, again.
And we have a chain of evidence such as the
Wedge Document and other statements that show
that indeed, they know it is not science.
Because of all of this, I believe they will avoid
taking things to court. They want to avoid courts like
the plague. It was the anti-creationists that use
the courts, and successfully at that. Now creationism
has a track record of deceits found out in court.
I think that in the states mentioned, Creationism/ID might enjoy more
popular support. The fundies themselves in these states might be more
willing to sue to get ID in. The chances of finding a more sympathetic
judge might also be greater.
This means that the upper hand is with those
anti-creationists willing to go to court. What has
happened and this is subtler, is many states have
cut back on science teaching, keeping evolution out
of schools that way.
I suspect that this is what we will see more of.
New books and courses that cut back on evolution,
and muddy the waters with prissy, mealy-mouthed
double talk meant to obfusticate and confuse.
Sadly, I agree. In the name of avoiding controversy, the school boards
and and teachers will play it safe and either not teach evolution, or as
you say teach some watered down version. The schools may avoid trouble,
but the kids and education will suffer for it.
Creationist watchers have been noting this tendency
for years now.
And when other countries surpass us in science, I hope that no one will
be surprised.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
25 Dec 2005 08:10:09 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:12:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <11qrgmjf3mpd9e4@corp.supernews.com>,
wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they
will keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next
big attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district
where they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing,
like GA or KS.
I kind of doubt that. We had this in the case
of Scientific Creationism in Arkansas and Lousiana.
There, the lies became central to the case.
Creationism left a trail of evidence that they
knew Scientific Creationism was not science and
was only a ploy to get religion into to schools.
That doomed their cases. We have a jusge here
noting lies, again.
And we have a chain of evidence such as the
Wedge Document and other statements that show
that indeed, they know it is not science.
Because of all of this, I believe they will avoid
taking things to court. They want to avoid courts like
the plague. It was the anti-creationists that use
the courts, and successfully at that. Now creationism
has a track record of deceits found out in court.
I think that in the states mentioned, Creationism/ID might enjoy more
popular support. The fundies themselves in these states might be more
willing to sue to get ID in. The chances of finding a more sympathetic
judge might also be greater.
This means that the upper hand is with those
anti-creationists willing to go to court. What has
happened and this is subtler, is many states have
cut back on science teaching, keeping evolution out
of schools that way.
I suspect that this is what we will see more of.
New books and courses that cut back on evolution,
and muddy the waters with prissy, mealy-mouthed
double talk meant to obfusticate and confuse.
Sadly, I agree. In the name of avoiding controversy, the school boards
and and teachers will play it safe and either not teach evolution, or as
you say teach some watered down version. The schools may avoid trouble,
but the kids and education will suffer for it.
Creationist watchers have been noting this tendency
for years now.
And when other countries surpass us in science, I hope that no one will
be surprised.
Other countries have already done so in leaps and bounds. The fundies
will be surprised, thinking isn't their strong suit, and then wail and
gnash their teeth and blame everyone but themselves.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
25 Dec 2005 11:58:57 PM |
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In article <nv9tq1tfp95ks5nrme1j17d5rnq7thvsjq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:12:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <11qrgmjf3mpd9e4@corp.supernews.com>,
wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they
will keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next
big attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district
where they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing,
like GA or KS.
I kind of doubt that. We had this in the case
of Scientific Creationism in Arkansas and Lousiana.
There, the lies became central to the case.
Creationism left a trail of evidence that they
knew Scientific Creationism was not science and
was only a ploy to get religion into to schools.
That doomed their cases. We have a jusge here
noting lies, again.
And we have a chain of evidence such as the
Wedge Document and other statements that show
that indeed, they know it is not science.
Because of all of this, I believe they will avoid
taking things to court. They want to avoid courts like
the plague. It was the anti-creationists that use
the courts, and successfully at that. Now creationism
has a track record of deceits found out in court.
I think that in the states mentioned, Creationism/ID might enjoy more
popular support. The fundies themselves in these states might be more
willing to sue to get ID in. The chances of finding a more sympathetic
judge might also be greater.
This means that the upper hand is with those
anti-creationists willing to go to court. What has
happened and this is subtler, is many states have
cut back on science teaching, keeping evolution out
of schools that way.
I suspect that this is what we will see more of.
New books and courses that cut back on evolution,
and muddy the waters with prissy, mealy-mouthed
double talk meant to obfusticate and confuse.
Sadly, I agree. In the name of avoiding controversy, the school boards
and and teachers will play it safe and either not teach evolution, or as
you say teach some watered down version. The schools may avoid trouble,
but the kids and education will suffer for it.
Creationist watchers have been noting this tendency
for years now.
And when other countries surpass us in science, I hope that no one will
be surprised.
Other countries have already done so in leaps and bounds. The fundies
will be surprised, thinking isn't their strong suit, and then wail and
gnash their teeth and blame everyone but themselves.
They'll blame the Libruls as usual, or in the case of the current crop
blame Clinton, as they do for everything else.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
26 Dec 2005 09:51:41 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:58:57 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <nv9tq1tfp95ks5nrme1j17d5rnq7thvsjq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:12:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <11qrgmjf3mpd9e4@corp.supernews.com>,
wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they
will keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next
big attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district
where they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing,
like GA or KS.
I kind of doubt that. We had this in the case
of Scientific Creationism in Arkansas and Lousiana.
There, the lies became central to the case.
Creationism left a trail of evidence that they
knew Scientific Creationism was not science and
was only a ploy to get religion into to schools.
That doomed their cases. We have a jusge here
noting lies, again.
And we have a chain of evidence such as the
Wedge Document and other statements that show
that indeed, they know it is not science.
Because of all of this, I believe they will avoid
taking things to court. They want to avoid courts like
the plague. It was the anti-creationists that use
the courts, and successfully at that. Now creationism
has a track record of deceits found out in court.
I think that in the states mentioned, Creationism/ID might enjoy more
popular support. The fundies themselves in these states might be more
willing to sue to get ID in. The chances of finding a more sympathetic
judge might also be greater.
This means that the upper hand is with those
anti-creationists willing to go to court. What has
happened and this is subtler, is many states have
cut back on science teaching, keeping evolution out
of schools that way.
I suspect that this is what we will see more of.
New books and courses that cut back on evolution,
and muddy the waters with prissy, mealy-mouthed
double talk meant to obfusticate and confuse.
Sadly, I agree. In the name of avoiding controversy, the school boards
and and teachers will play it safe and either not teach evolution, or as
you say teach some watered down version. The schools may avoid trouble,
but the kids and education will suffer for it.
Creationist watchers have been noting this tendency
for years now.
And when other countries surpass us in science, I hope that no one will
be surprised.
Other countries have already done so in leaps and bounds. The fundies
will be surprised, thinking isn't their strong suit, and then wail and
gnash their teeth and blame everyone but themselves.
They'll blame the Libruls as usual, or in the case of the current crop
blame Clinton, as they do for everything else.
I haven't heard them blame Billy Boy for the NSA spying or Shrub's
hitting the bottle and snorting again.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
26 Dec 2005 11:49:31 PM |
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In article <1b40r111pk5vnigdd134rmgvihd8a15qi0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:58:57 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <nv9tq1tfp95ks5nrme1j17d5rnq7thvsjq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:12:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <11qrgmjf3mpd9e4@corp.supernews.com>,
wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
The fundies are still out there. Like the fanatics they are, they
will keep on the attack. PA is pretty much a blue state so the next
big attempt will likely be in the bible belt and in a court district
where they believe that they could get a more favorable hearing,
like GA or KS.
I kind of doubt that. We had this in the case
of Scientific Creationism in Arkansas and Lousiana.
There, the lies became central to the case.
Creationism left a trail of evidence that they
knew Scientific Creationism was not science and
was only a ploy to get religion into to schools.
That doomed their cases. We have a jusge here
noting lies, again.
And we have a chain of evidence such as the
Wedge Document and other statements that show
that indeed, they know it is not science.
Because of all of this, I believe they will avoid
taking things to court. They want to avoid courts like
the plague. It was the anti-creationists that use
the courts, and successfully at that. Now creationism
has a track record of deceits found out in court.
I think that in the states mentioned, Creationism/ID might enjoy more
popular support. The fundies themselves in these states might be more
willing to sue to get ID in. The chances of finding a more sympathetic
judge might also be greater.
This means that the upper hand is with those
anti-creationists willing to go to court. What has
happened and this is subtler, is many states have
cut back on science teaching, keeping evolution out
of schools that way.
I suspect that this is what we will see more of.
New books and courses that cut back on evolution,
and muddy the waters with prissy, mealy-mouthed
double talk meant to obfusticate and confuse.
Sadly, I agree. In the name of avoiding controversy, the school boards
and and teachers will play it safe and either not teach evolution, or as
you say teach some watered down version. The schools may avoid trouble,
but the kids and education will suffer for it.
Creationist watchers have been noting this tendency
for years now.
And when other countries surpass us in science, I hope that no one will
be surprised.
Other countries have already done so in leaps and bounds. The fundies
will be surprised, thinking isn't their strong suit, and then wail and
gnash their teeth and blame everyone but themselves.
They'll blame the Libruls as usual, or in the case of the current crop
blame Clinton, as they do for everything else.
I haven't heard them blame Billy Boy for the NSA spying or Shrub's
hitting the bottle and snorting again.
Maybe they'll blame those on Hillary.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
27 Dec 2005 09:15:41 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:49:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1b40r111pk5vnigdd134rmgvihd8a15qi0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Sadly, I agree. In the name of avoiding controversy, the school boards
and and teachers will play it safe and either not teach evolution, or as
you say teach some watered down version. The schools may avoid trouble,
but the kids and education will suffer for it.
Creationist watchers have been noting this tendency
for years now.
And when other countries surpass us in science, I hope that no one will
be surprised.
Other countries have already done so in leaps and bounds. The fundies
will be surprised, thinking isn't their strong suit, and then wail and
gnash their teeth and blame everyone but themselves.
They'll blame the Libruls as usual, or in the case of the current crop
blame Clinton, as they do for everything else.
I haven't heard them blame Billy Boy for the NSA spying or Shrub's
hitting the bottle and snorting again.
Maybe they'll blame those on Hillary.
Chairman Mao gets the blame for Stalin.......
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
27 Dec 2005 11:32:34 PM |
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In article <ajm2r1hk5rq9dsc1bqlm3vam8hce5kmjcr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:49:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1b40r111pk5vnigdd134rmgvihd8a15qi0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Sadly, I agree. In the name of avoiding controversy, the school boards
and and teachers will play it safe and either not teach evolution, or
as
you say teach some watered down version. The schools may avoid
trouble,
but the kids and education will suffer for it.
Creationist watchers have been noting this tendency
for years now.
And when other countries surpass us in science, I hope that no one
will
be surprised.
Other countries have already done so in leaps and bounds. The fundies
will be surprised, thinking isn't their strong suit, and then wail and
gnash their teeth and blame everyone but themselves.
They'll blame the Libruls as usual, or in the case of the current crop
blame Clinton, as they do for everything else.
I haven't heard them blame Billy Boy for the NSA spying or Shrub's
hitting the bottle and snorting again.
Maybe they'll blame those on Hillary.
Chairman Mao gets the blame for Stalin.......
Stalin gets blamed for Lenin.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design: Kitzmiller Case Verdict is in. |
28 Dec 2005 09:34:28 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:32:34 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <ajm2r1hk5rq9dsc1bqlm3vam8hce5kmjcr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:49:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1b40r111pk5vnigdd134rmgvihd8a15qi0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Sadly, I agree. In the name of avoiding controversy, the school boards
and and teachers will play it safe and either not teach evolution, or
as
you say teach some watered down version. The schools may avoid
trouble,
but the kids and education will suffer for it.
Creationist watchers have been noting this tendency
for years now.
And when other countries surpass us in science, I hope that no one
will
be surprised.
Other countries have already done so in leaps and bounds. The fundies
will be surprised, thinking isn't their strong suit, and then wail and
gnash their teeth and blame everyone but themselves.
They'll blame the Libruls as usual, or in the case of the current crop
blame Clinton, as they do for everything else.
I haven't heard them blame Billy Boy for the NSA spying or Shrub's
hitting the bottle and snorting again.
Maybe they'll blame those on Hillary.
Chairman Mao gets the blame for Stalin.......
Stalin gets blamed for Lenin.
....while wearing a cheerleader out fit and yelling
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