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"HVAC" |
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26 Dec 2005 07:09:16 AM |
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Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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I have an open mind. I'm also a biologist.
Intelligent design is a moronic appeal to the supernatural.
hth
Conversation at a party a few years ago.
Religous kook was citing as proof for Noah's flood
the fact that fossilized remains of fish were found at
the top of mountains.
You just can't argue with logic like that!
~
Be sure to add 1 leap second before popping those corks
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
26 Dec 2005 04:47:55 PM |
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"HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote in news:1135602556.187960.187780
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:rOJqf.53681$6e.40379@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
I have an open mind. I'm also a biologist.
Intelligent design is a moronic appeal to the supernatural.
hth
Conversation at a party a few years ago.
Religous kook was citing as proof for Noah's flood
the fact that fossilized remains of fish were found at
the top of mountains.
You just can't argue with logic like that!
The alleged logic that these christians exhibit is most bizarre indeed.
pierce
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| User: "=?utf-8?B?SmEg4pml?=" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
27 Dec 2005 01:48:19 AM |
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The basic state and the basis also behind all religions
is a state of insanity.
I'll have an Evolution cake with
Intelligent Design Icing for my next birthday -- please and thank you!
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| User: "Angel of HaShem" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 11:33:25 PM |
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(More than you bargained for, Harlow.....)
"All posts of mime, are my Soap Box."
"HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:rOJqf.53681$6e.40379@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
I have an open mind. I'm also a biologist.
Intelligent design is a moronic appeal to the supernatural.
hth
Conversation at a party a few years ago.
Religous kook was citing as proof for Noah's flood
the fact that fossilized remains of fish were found at
the top of mountains.
Wooden planks too....
You just can't argue with logic like that!
That's right.....
And the following logic....
Good & Evil eXists. And it originates, from one place....
Man didn't just didn't "make them up." They were embedded
in man's psyche at the beginning of circular time....
Argue that logic. I dare you. You and Timothy.....
And any other of your ilk.....
~
Be sure to add 1 leap second before popping those corks
Cute....
They add it to the Atomic Clock. Circular time seems very
important for a race of mere mortals......
"Round and round we go. And where we stop, everybody
knows." Death.....
Happy New year, and a joyous, Hanukkah...
(The following will be copied and saved, for posting to the proper
groups, covering the subject. I'm on a roll....)
Israel...you must get the name of your Almighty God, HaShem,
known to the public, as Allah is known to be, a household word.
Somebody with authority mention His name. Every time you
invoke the Almighty, say His name, HaShem. For Christ Jesus'
sake. Is that so fucking hard to do.....?
Muslims do it all the time with Allah. I have never heard HaShem's
name uttered once. Not even by those who invoke the Almighty....
Osam invoked the Almighty. Now there's a kick in the ***** for
you, Israel. Make that public. It flew right by the entire world.
Anybody who invokes the Almighty, should do it....
Nobody does. So Osam didn't have too either. But he thanked
the Almighty God for the trashing of the towers. He knows his
God is "Mighty". A Supreme Being....
So he fucked you by invoking your, Almighty God......
All HaShem wants, is to be your friend. (He told you that.)
He didn't want your worship, nor blood sacrifices....
You counseled for that stuff..........
You were sick of manna. And made the behest for dead flesh.
"What will be loosed on Earth.........."
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| User: "k -" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 10:29:19 AM |
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The fact is that no one really knows what happened.
The problem with evolution theory is that it does not explain how life
originated.
It talks about how life forms evolve.
Don't be so fast to discredit a possibility if a higher intelligence or
power, creating life...
if you study the complexity of it and see how all the mechanisms of even a
single cell work... you will be amazed.
I have a scientific mind.. and that means you should not hastily run into
conclusions. I would suggest that you should also do that.
"HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135602556.187960.187780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:rOJqf.53681$6e.40379@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
I have an open mind. I'm also a biologist.
Intelligent design is a moronic appeal to the supernatural.
hth
Conversation at a party a few years ago.
Religous kook was citing as proof for Noah's flood
the fact that fossilized remains of fish were found at
the top of mountains.
You just can't argue with logic like that!
~
Be sure to add 1 leap second before popping those corks
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 10:40:35 AM |
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"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2bdc4_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
The fact is that no one really knows what happened.
The problem with evolution theory is that it does not explain how life
originated.
It talks about how life forms evolve.
That's right and it's not a problem. Evolution was NEVER about how life
originated.
Don't be so fast to discredit a possibility if a higher intelligence or
power, creating life...
if you study the complexity of it and see how all the mechanisms of even a
single cell work... you will be amazed.
Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. However, as there's no evidence that anything
was done by a "higher intelligence or power", I have no reason to believe
this is what happened.
I have a scientific mind.. and that means you should not hastily run into
conclusions. I would suggest that you should also do that.
Haven't done that. However, I can't believe without evidence.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "k -" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 11:47:18 AM |
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I am not telling you to believe anything.....
I am telling you to keep looking for answers, keeping an open mind to
possibilities.
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:41ftdlF1dcj9tU1@individual.net...
"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2bdc4_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
The fact is that no one really knows what happened.
The problem with evolution theory is that it does not explain how life
originated.
It talks about how life forms evolve.
That's right and it's not a problem. Evolution was NEVER about how life
originated.
Don't be so fast to discredit a possibility if a higher intelligence or
power, creating life...
if you study the complexity of it and see how all the mechanisms of even
a single cell work... you will be amazed.
Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. However, as there's no evidence that
anything was done by a "higher intelligence or power", I have no reason to
believe this is what happened.
I have a scientific mind.. and that means you should not hastily run into
conclusions. I would suggest that you should also do that.
Haven't done that. However, I can't believe without evidence.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 01:26:00 PM |
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"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2d009_2@newsgate.x-privat.org...
I am not telling you to believe anything.....
I am telling you to keep looking for answers, keeping an open mind to
possibilities.
My mind's more than open - However, I have better things to do with my time
then search for the supernatural.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "k -" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 01:28:56 PM |
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Nothing is supernatural. All is natural.
If you dont care about searching the truth.. then why are you here?
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:41g73qF1do5mmU1@individual.net...
"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2d009_2@newsgate.x-privat.org...
I am not telling you to believe anything.....
I am telling you to keep looking for answers, keeping an open mind to
possibilities.
My mind's more than open - However, I have better things to do with my
time then search for the supernatural.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 01:40:39 PM |
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"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2e7dd_2@newsgate.x-privat.org...
Nothing is supernatural. All is natural.
Uh huh, like I'm supposed to take your word for it.
If you dont care about searching the truth.. then why are you here?
I'm in alt.atheism, sonny. I have no idea where you're posting from. Let
me guess, alt.alien.research? <snicker>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
29 Dec 2005 05:26:00 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in news:41g7v9F1egfomU1
@individual.net:
"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2e7dd_2@newsgate.x-privat.org...
Nothing is supernatural. All is natural.
Uh huh, like I'm supposed to take your word for it.
If you dont care about searching the truth.. then why are you here?
I'm in alt.atheism, sonny. I have no idea where you're posting from. Let
me guess, alt.alien.research? <snicker>
I love all those people that insist that PK, ESP, and the rest really do
exist. One million dollars awaits anyone who can prove it does. In the
meantime, for those that want to belive in such things there is www.fork-
you.com. For the rest of us there is
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=891
pierce
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 12:22:28 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:18 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2d009_2@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
I am not telling you to believe anything.....
I am telling you to keep looking for answers, keeping an open mind to
possibilities.
There is a difference between keeping an open mind to possibilities and
being incapable of rejecting sheer nonsense. You seem incapable of
critically evaluating stories that are told to you.
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:41ftdlF1dcj9tU1@individual.net...
"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2bdc4_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
The fact is that no one really knows what happened.
The problem with evolution theory is that it does not explain how life
originated.
It talks about how life forms evolve.
That's right and it's not a problem. Evolution was NEVER about how life
originated.
Don't be so fast to discredit a possibility if a higher intelligence or
power, creating life...
if you study the complexity of it and see how all the mechanisms of even
a single cell work... you will be amazed.
Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. However, as there's no evidence that
anything was done by a "higher intelligence or power", I have no reason to
believe this is what happened.
I have a scientific mind.. and that means you should not hastily run into
conclusions. I would suggest that you should also do that.
Haven't done that. However, I can't believe without evidence.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "k -" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 01:27:06 PM |
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Ok tell me....
What are the "stories" that I have been told and I cannot evaluate?
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:qsl5r1pcusges0ujfqgu3932a2sd20cjaa@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:18 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2d009_2@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
I am not telling you to believe anything.....
I am telling you to keep looking for answers, keeping an open mind to
possibilities.
There is a difference between keeping an open mind to possibilities and
being incapable of rejecting sheer nonsense. You seem incapable of
critically evaluating stories that are told to you.
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:41ftdlF1dcj9tU1@individual.net...
"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2bdc4_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
The fact is that no one really knows what happened.
The problem with evolution theory is that it does not explain how life
originated.
It talks about how life forms evolve.
That's right and it's not a problem. Evolution was NEVER about how life
originated.
Don't be so fast to discredit a possibility if a higher intelligence or
power, creating life...
if you study the complexity of it and see how all the mechanisms of
even
a single cell work... you will be amazed.
Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. However, as there's no evidence that
anything was done by a "higher intelligence or power", I have no reason
to
believe this is what happened.
I have a scientific mind.. and that means you should not hastily run
into
conclusions. I would suggest that you should also do that.
Haven't done that. However, I can't believe without evidence.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 02:03:23 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:27:06 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2e76f_3@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
Ok tell me....
What are the "stories" that I have been told and I cannot evaluate?
Mystical stories with no evidence to support them. Criticism of science
that is not based on evidence.
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:qsl5r1pcusges0ujfqgu3932a2sd20cjaa@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:18 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2d009_2@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
I am not telling you to believe anything.....
I am telling you to keep looking for answers, keeping an open mind to
possibilities.
There is a difference between keeping an open mind to possibilities and
being incapable of rejecting sheer nonsense. You seem incapable of
critically evaluating stories that are told to you.
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:41ftdlF1dcj9tU1@individual.net...
"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2bdc4_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
The fact is that no one really knows what happened.
The problem with evolution theory is that it does not explain how life
originated.
It talks about how life forms evolve.
That's right and it's not a problem. Evolution was NEVER about how life
originated.
Don't be so fast to discredit a possibility if a higher intelligence or
power, creating life...
if you study the complexity of it and see how all the mechanisms of
even
a single cell work... you will be amazed.
Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. However, as there's no evidence that
anything was done by a "higher intelligence or power", I have no reason
to
believe this is what happened.
I have a scientific mind.. and that means you should not hastily run
into
conclusions. I would suggest that you should also do that.
Haven't done that. However, I can't believe without evidence.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "k -" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 02:13:39 PM |
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Then the big bang, string theory, and so many others are just mystical
stories too.
No one can evaluate them either.
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:2rr5r1h1oc0l62qdosie5m7solnfi68duh@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:27:06 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2e76f_3@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
Ok tell me....
What are the "stories" that I have been told and I cannot evaluate?
Mystical stories with no evidence to support them. Criticism of science
that is not based on evidence.
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:qsl5r1pcusges0ujfqgu3932a2sd20cjaa@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:18 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2d009_2@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
I am not telling you to believe anything.....
I am telling you to keep looking for answers, keeping an open mind to
possibilities.
There is a difference between keeping an open mind to possibilities and
being incapable of rejecting sheer nonsense. You seem incapable of
critically evaluating stories that are told to you.
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:41ftdlF1dcj9tU1@individual.net...
"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2bdc4_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
The fact is that no one really knows what happened.
The problem with evolution theory is that it does not explain how
life
originated.
It talks about how life forms evolve.
That's right and it's not a problem. Evolution was NEVER about how
life
originated.
Don't be so fast to discredit a possibility if a higher intelligence
or
power, creating life...
if you study the complexity of it and see how all the mechanisms of
even
a single cell work... you will be amazed.
Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. However, as there's no evidence that
anything was done by a "higher intelligence or power", I have no
reason
to
believe this is what happened.
I have a scientific mind.. and that means you should not hastily run
into
conclusions. I would suggest that you should also do that.
Haven't done that. However, I can't believe without evidence.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 02:28:24 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:13:39 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2f259_3@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
Then the big bang, string theory, and so many others are just mystical
stories too.
No one can evaluate them either.
You are mistaken. The scientists who proposed these hypotheses relied on
evidence while they were developing them. There is no evidence to
support the claim that a god exists. There is no evidence to support the
claim that life was designed. There is evidence that life has changed
over time. There is evidence that there once was no life on earth, but
that there is now.
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:2rr5r1h1oc0l62qdosie5m7solnfi68duh@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:27:06 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2e76f_3@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
Ok tell me....
What are the "stories" that I have been told and I cannot evaluate?
Mystical stories with no evidence to support them. Criticism of science
that is not based on evidence.
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:qsl5r1pcusges0ujfqgu3932a2sd20cjaa@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:18 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2d009_2@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
I am not telling you to believe anything.....
I am telling you to keep looking for answers, keeping an open mind to
possibilities.
There is a difference between keeping an open mind to possibilities and
being incapable of rejecting sheer nonsense. You seem incapable of
critically evaluating stories that are told to you.
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:41ftdlF1dcj9tU1@individual.net...
"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2bdc4_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
The fact is that no one really knows what happened.
The problem with evolution theory is that it does not explain how
life
originated.
It talks about how life forms evolve.
That's right and it's not a problem. Evolution was NEVER about how
life
originated.
Don't be so fast to discredit a possibility if a higher intelligence
or
power, creating life...
if you study the complexity of it and see how all the mechanisms of
even
a single cell work... you will be amazed.
Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. However, as there's no evidence that
anything was done by a "higher intelligence or power", I have no
reason
to
believe this is what happened.
I have a scientific mind.. and that means you should not hastily run
into
conclusions. I would suggest that you should also do that.
Haven't done that. However, I can't believe without evidence.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "k -" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 02:59:22 PM |
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You are mistaken
No YOU are mistaken... there are many things we take for granted as reality
but we have no idea how or why they work. No one knows what gravity is...
is it a particle, a wave? How is it created? Can we make some?
The fact is that we know some things, and try to fill up the gaps with
claims and hypothesis, that most of the time are proven wrong and
they be revised. And for sure there are big chunks of information we have
not even asked the question about yet.
None of the current gaps can be proven yet, they just seem logical to our
culture.
But who says we know best?
I say that there may indeed be something spiritual happening in the cosmos,
since there are many things that conventional science cannot
explain. For example the ability for a person to perceive the future.
There have been studies about this and they show that people can sense that
they are going to perceive something bad, and a few milliseconds before
the event, and they have a physical reaction that can be counted with
machines.
Perception of the future?
This may be explained in 300 years as a feature of quantum mechanics... but
now we call it ESP, a spiritual function that many scientists debunk.
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:l5t5r1t1gnrn86i9dp53cn79en2ffvhbha@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:13:39 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2f259_3@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
Then the big bang, string theory, and so many others are just mystical
stories too.
No one can evaluate them either.
You are mistaken. The scientists who proposed these hypotheses relied on
evidence while they were developing them. There is no evidence to
support the claim that a god exists. There is no evidence to support the
claim that life was designed. There is evidence that life has changed
over time. There is evidence that there once was no life on earth, but
that there is now.
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:2rr5r1h1oc0l62qdosie5m7solnfi68duh@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:27:06 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2e76f_3@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
Ok tell me....
What are the "stories" that I have been told and I cannot evaluate?
Mystical stories with no evidence to support them. Criticism of science
that is not based on evidence.
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:qsl5r1pcusges0ujfqgu3932a2sd20cjaa@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:18 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2d009_2@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
I am not telling you to believe anything.....
I am telling you to keep looking for answers, keeping an open mind to
possibilities.
There is a difference between keeping an open mind to possibilities
and
being incapable of rejecting sheer nonsense. You seem incapable of
critically evaluating stories that are told to you.
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:41ftdlF1dcj9tU1@individual.net...
"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2bdc4_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
The fact is that no one really knows what happened.
The problem with evolution theory is that it does not explain how
life
originated.
It talks about how life forms evolve.
That's right and it's not a problem. Evolution was NEVER about how
life
originated.
Don't be so fast to discredit a possibility if a higher
intelligence
or
power, creating life...
if you study the complexity of it and see how all the mechanisms of
even
a single cell work... you will be amazed.
Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. However, as there's no evidence that
anything was done by a "higher intelligence or power", I have no
reason
to
believe this is what happened.
I have a scientific mind.. and that means you should not hastily
run
into
conclusions. I would suggest that you should also do that.
Haven't done that. However, I can't believe without evidence.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 04:56:24 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:59:22 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2fd10_1@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
You are mistaken
No YOU are mistaken... there are many things we take for granted as reality
but we have no idea how or why they work. No one knows what gravity is...
is it a particle, a wave? How is it created? Can we make some?
I think you exaggerate our lack of knowledge about gravity.
The fact is that we know some things, and try to fill up the gaps with
claims and hypothesis, that most of the time are proven wrong and
they be revised.
No, you don't seem to understand how science works. A hypothesis is a
first model that takes into account the evidence that _has_ been
gathered to date, if, over time, it does a good job of predicting new
discoveries, it will be considered a theory, if it turns out that too
many new pieces of data are inconsistent, science looks for a new
hypothesis that does a better job of explaining the data.
And for sure there are big chunks of information we have
not even asked the question about yet.
Such as?
None of the current gaps can be proven yet, they just seem logical to our
culture.
Proven? What does that mean here?
But who says we know best?
We do know what we have learned.
I say that there may indeed be something spiritual happening in the cosmos,
since there are many things that conventional science cannot
explain. For example the ability for a person to perceive the future.
Identify people who are able to do this and how their skill was tested.
There have been studies about this and they show that people can sense that
they are going to perceive something bad, and a few milliseconds before
the event, and they have a physical reaction that can be counted with
machines.
Please provide the reference from the scientific literature for this
study.
Perception of the future?
This may be explained in 300 years as a feature of quantum mechanics... but
now we call it ESP, a spiritual function that many scientists debunk.
If the evidence has been gathered properly, I doubt that any scientists
would debunk it.
....
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| User: "k -" |
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28 Dec 2005 09:16:57 PM |
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And for sure there are big chunks of information we have
not even asked the question about yet.
Such as?
If we have not asked the questions yet, how can I tell you. Any way.. look
into hyperspace, and dark matter.
Please provide the reference from the scientific literature for this
study.
I have a better idea. Download and watch this documentary using a edonkey
client like emule www.emule-project.net/
use the following link on emule to start the download: ( to use the link in
emule press the tools button on the tool bar and then go to > paste ed2k
links)
ed2k://|file|Discovery%20Channel%20-%20Science%20of%20the%20Impossible%20-%20Invisible%20Forces.avi|258269184|4E6C5B33D68A31D5FEFCAC34C195755B|/
Go to minute 29 of the video and see the experiment.
If the evidence has been gathered properly, I doubt that any scientists
would debunk it.
You are SOOOOOO mistaken...... science has turned its back to many things,
and some subjects they dont even want to give funds and do reasearch on.
They care more about developing weapons than looking to ask questions and
look into them. You do not have any idea how hard it is to get new ideas
into the scientific communites of the past and of the present, and you cant
prove much if
only a few scientists are trying to crack these problems all by themselves
without funding. I am afraid that things are worse than just not looking
into new information. I am sure there has been coverup of new discoveries,
like zero point energy, and cold fusion and treatments for sickneses,
because they go against
the established economic system. Remember that most research is done with
money from corporations. They have the money, they make the rules.
And what about the experiments that have been done, that do prove some
things, but never come out in the open?
Can you imagine WHY this might be happeining?
Kenny
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:rm56r1t5e90m2up6cbl3u17bg7na8v0gvs@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:59:22 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2fd10_1@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
You are mistaken
No YOU are mistaken... there are many things we take for granted as
reality
but we have no idea how or why they work. No one knows what gravity is...
is it a particle, a wave? How is it created? Can we make some?
I think you exaggerate our lack of knowledge about gravity.
The fact is that we know some things, and try to fill up the gaps with
claims and hypothesis, that most of the time are proven wrong and
they be revised.
No, you don't seem to understand how science works. A hypothesis is a
first model that takes into account the evidence that _has_ been
gathered to date, if, over time, it does a good job of predicting new
discoveries, it will be considered a theory, if it turns out that too
many new pieces of data are inconsistent, science looks for a new
hypothesis that does a better job of explaining the data.
And for sure there are big chunks of information we have
not even asked the question about yet.
Such as?
None of the current gaps can be proven yet, they just seem logical to our
culture.
Proven? What does that mean here?
But who says we know best?
We do know what we have learned.
I say that there may indeed be something spiritual happening in the
cosmos,
since there are many things that conventional science cannot
explain. For example the ability for a person to perceive the future.
Identify people who are able to do this and how their skill was tested.
There have been studies about this and they show that people can sense
that
they are going to perceive something bad, and a few milliseconds before
the event, and they have a physical reaction that can be counted with
machines.
Please provide the reference from the scientific literature for this
study.
Perception of the future?
This may be explained in 300 years as a feature of quantum mechanics...
but
now we call it ESP, a spiritual function that many scientists debunk.
If the evidence has been gathered properly, I doubt that any scientists
would debunk it.
...
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| User: "Tim K." |
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28 Dec 2005 09:49:00 PM |
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"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b35588$1_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
And for sure there are big chunks of information we have
not even asked the question about yet.
Such as?
If we have not asked the questions yet, how can I tell you. Any way.. look
into hyperspace, and dark matter.
Please provide the reference from the scientific literature for this
study.
I have a better idea. Download and watch this documentary using a edonkey
client like emule www.emule-project.net/
use the following link on emule to start the download: ( to use the link
in emule press the tools button on the tool bar and then go to > paste
ed2k links)
ed2k://|file|Discovery%20Channel%20-%20Science%20of%20the%20Impossible%20-%20Invisible%20Forces.avi|258269184|4E6C5B33D68A31D5FEFCAC34C195755B|/
oooh, the fucking Discovery Channel...
That's rigorous....
Shouldn't you be on webtv?
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 09:36:14 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:16:57 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b35588$1_3@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
And for sure there are big chunks of information we have
not even asked the question about yet.
Such as?
If we have not asked the questions yet, how can I tell you. Any way.. look
into hyperspace, and dark matter.
Then how do you know that we have big chunks of information that we have
not even asked the questions about yet?
Please provide the reference from the scientific literature for this
study.
I have a better idea. Download and watch this documentary using a edonkey
client like emule www.emule-project.net/
use the following link on emule to start the download: ( to use the link in
emule press the tools button on the tool bar and then go to > paste ed2k
links)
ed2k://|file|Discovery%20Channel%20-%20Science%20of%20the%20Impossible%20-%20Invisible%20Forces.avi|258269184|4E6C5B33D68A31D5FEFCAC34C195755B|/
Go to minute 29 of the video and see the experiment.
What's your point. Discovery Channel video isn't a scientific journal,
so just explain it.
If the evidence has been gathered properly, I doubt that any scientists
would debunk it.
You are SOOOOOO mistaken...... science has turned its back to many things,
and some subjects they dont even want to give funds and do reasearch on.
That is easy to say, but harder to document.
They care more about developing weapons than looking to ask questions and
look into them. You do not have any idea how hard it is to get new ideas
into the scientific communites of the past and of the present, and you cant
prove much if
only a few scientists are trying to crack these problems all by themselves
without funding. I am afraid that things are worse than just not looking
into new information. I am sure there has been coverup of new discoveries,
like zero point energy, and cold fusion and treatments for sickneses,
because they go against
the established economic system.
I didn't realize that you were that kind of a loon.
Remember that most research is done with
money from corporations.
That happens not to be a correct statement.
They have the money, they make the rules.
And what about the experiments that have been done, that do prove some
things, but never come out in the open?
Can you imagine WHY this might be happeining?
Because you really like stories about conspiracies?
Kenny
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:rm56r1t5e90m2up6cbl3u17bg7na8v0gvs@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:59:22 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2fd10_1@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
You are mistaken
No YOU are mistaken... there are many things we take for granted as
reality
but we have no idea how or why they work. No one knows what gravity is...
is it a particle, a wave? How is it created? Can we make some?
I think you exaggerate our lack of knowledge about gravity.
The fact is that we know some things, and try to fill up the gaps with
claims and hypothesis, that most of the time are proven wrong and
they be revised.
No, you don't seem to understand how science works. A hypothesis is a
first model that takes into account the evidence that _has_ been
gathered to date, if, over time, it does a good job of predicting new
discoveries, it will be considered a theory, if it turns out that too
many new pieces of data are inconsistent, science looks for a new
hypothesis that does a better job of explaining the data.
And for sure there are big chunks of information we have
not even asked the question about yet.
Such as?
None of the current gaps can be proven yet, they just seem logical to our
culture.
Proven? What does that mean here?
But who says we know best?
We do know what we have learned.
I say that there may indeed be something spiritual happening in the
cosmos,
since there are many things that conventional science cannot
explain. For example the ability for a person to perceive the future.
Identify people who are able to do this and how their skill was tested.
There have been studies about this and they show that people can sense
that
they are going to perceive something bad, and a few milliseconds before
the event, and they have a physical reaction that can be counted with
machines.
Please provide the reference from the scientific literature for this
study.
Perception of the future?
This may be explained in 300 years as a feature of quantum mechanics...
but
now we call it ESP, a spiritual function that many scientists debunk.
If the evidence has been gathered properly, I doubt that any scientists
would debunk it.
...
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| User: "k -" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 10:29:46 PM |
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Then how do you know that we have big chunks of information that we have
not even asked the questions about yet?
If I don't say that, it implies that we already know everything about
everything.
We both know that this is not the case.
What's your point. Discovery Channel video isn't a scientific journal,
so just explain it.
Request denied. If you want to learn more you must put in the effort
yourself.
You rely too much on info that is given to you. See the video. It has a
scientific experiment there, find who did it and research his findings. Then
come back and tell us what you found.
I didn't realize that you were that kind of a loon.
Yeah its easy to call a person a loon. Lets see... how many people who had
great discoveries where thought to be loons?
PRACTICALLY ALL OF THEM!
Because you really like stories about conspiracies?
I like looking into all the possibilities. And you don't.
You are limited.
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:b5m6r1l5t90a41sto8uo3jv4kc6e0oimhc@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:16:57 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b35588$1_3@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
And for sure there are big chunks of information we have
not even asked the question about yet.
Such as?
If we have not asked the questions yet, how can I tell you. Any way.. look
into hyperspace, and dark matter.
Then how do you know that we have big chunks of information that we have
not even asked the questions about yet?
Please provide the reference from the scientific literature for this
study.
I have a better idea. Download and watch this documentary using a edonkey
client like emule www.emule-project.net/
use the following link on emule to start the download: ( to use the link
in
emule press the tools button on the tool bar and then go to > paste ed2k
links)
ed2k://|file|Discovery%20Channel%20-%20Science%20of%20the%20Impossible%20-%20Invisible%20Forces.avi|258269184|4E6C5B33D68A31D5FEFCAC34C195755B|/
Go to minute 29 of the video and see the experiment.
What's your point. Discovery Channel video isn't a scientific journal,
so just explain it.
If the evidence has been gathered properly, I doubt that any scientists
would debunk it.
You are SOOOOOO mistaken...... science has turned its back to many things,
and some subjects they dont even want to give funds and do reasearch on.
That is easy to say, but harder to document.
They care more about developing weapons than looking to ask questions and
look into them. You do not have any idea how hard it is to get new ideas
into the scientific communites of the past and of the present, and you
cant
prove much if
only a few scientists are trying to crack these problems all by themselves
without funding. I am afraid that things are worse than just not looking
into new information. I am sure there has been coverup of new discoveries,
like zero point energy, and cold fusion and treatments for sickneses,
because they go against
the established economic system.
I didn't realize that you were that kind of a loon.
Remember that most research is done with
money from corporations.
That happens not to be a correct statement.
They have the money, they make the rules.
And what about the experiments that have been done, that do prove some
things, but never come out in the open?
Can you imagine WHY this might be happeining?
Because you really like stories about conspiracies?
Kenny
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:rm56r1t5e90m2up6cbl3u17bg7na8v0gvs@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:59:22 +0200, in alt.atheism
"k" <-> wrote in <43b2fd10_1@newsgate.x-privat.org>:
You are mistaken
No YOU are mistaken... there are many things we take for granted as
reality
but we have no idea how or why they work. No one knows what gravity
is...
is it a particle, a wave? How is it created? Can we make some?
I think you exaggerate our lack of knowledge about gravity.
The fact is that we know some things, and try to fill up the gaps with
claims and hypothesis, that most of the time are proven wrong and
they be revised.
No, you don't seem to understand how science works. A hypothesis is a
first model that takes into account the evidence that _has_ been
gathered to date, if, over time, it does a good job of predicting new
discoveries, it will be considered a theory, if it turns out that too
many new pieces of data are inconsistent, science looks for a new
hypothesis that does a better job of explaining the data.
And for sure there are big chunks of information we have
not even asked the question about yet.
Such as?
None of the current gaps can be proven yet, they just seem logical to
our
culture.
Proven? What does that mean here?
But who says we know best?
We do know what we have learned.
I say that there may indeed be something spiritual happening in the
cosmos,
since there are many things that conventional science cannot
explain. For example the ability for a person to perceive the future.
Identify people who are able to do this and how their skill was tested.
There have been studies about this and they show that people can sense
that
they are going to perceive something bad, and a few milliseconds before
the event, and they have a physical reaction that can be counted with
machines.
Please provide the reference from the scientific literature for this
study.
Perception of the future?
This may be explained in 300 years as a feature of quantum mechanics...
but
now we call it ESP, a spiritual function that many scientists debunk.
If the evidence has been gathered properly, I doubt that any scientists
would debunk it.
...
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| User: "Mark Shippey" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 11:04:05 PM |
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k <-> wrote:
You rely too much on info that is given to you.
And what do you do and where do you get your info.... do you personally
do specific experiments to verify all your info, or do you rely quite much
on "info that is given to you" from variouse sources?
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| User: "Mark Shippey" |
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30 Dec 2005 02:51:58 PM |
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k <-> wrote:
I say that there may indeed be something spiritual happening in the cosmos,
since there are many things that conventional science cannot
explain.
This sounds like the people in the past who would hear thunder, and
because there was not yet a clear scientific explanation of it, well then
it be gods or magic! Is this how you view the cosmos.... if we have not
yet explained it, well, then it must be gods or magic? No small wonder
then that you would jump to aliens expending the energy to come to Earth
to mess up corn fields.
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| User: "seres" |
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30 Dec 2005 11:47:15 AM |
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k wrote:
You are mistaken
No YOU are mistaken... there are many things we take for granted as reality
but we have no idea how or why they work. No one knows what gravity is...
is it a particle, a wave? How is it created? Can we make some?
The fact is that we know some things, and try to fill up the gaps with
claims and hypothesis, that most of the time are proven wrong and
they be revised. And for sure there are big chunks of information we have
not even asked the question about yet.
None of the current gaps can be proven yet, they just seem logical to our
culture.
But who says we know best?
I say that there may indeed be something spiritual happening in the cosmos,
since there are many things that conventional science cannot
explain. For example the ability for a person to perceive the future.
There have been studies about this and they show that people can sense that
they are going to perceive something bad, and a few milliseconds before
the event, and they have a physical reaction that can be counted with
machines.
Perception of the future?
Everithing al already written....there is nothing left to casualty....
This may be explained in 300 years as a feature of quantum mechanics... but
now we call it ESP, a spiritual function that many scientists debunk.
You have your idea about the future, but higher authority have theirs,
and is already written....and it won't change....
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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30 Dec 2005 01:38:55 PM |
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"seres" <sharemines@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135964835.510904.282350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
snip
You have your idea about the future, but higher authority have theirs,
and is already written....and it won't change....
This is your brain on religion.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Twittering One" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
30 Dec 2005 02:10:43 PM |
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This is your brain on religion.
~ Robibn
A Noble cause
Of many gruesome deaths ~ !
Try, say,
In the The Cause of Ethics,
Or tied and true Law.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design vs. Evolution |
28 Dec 2005 08:42:55 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:13:39 +0200, in alt.atheism , "k" <-> in
<43b2f259_3@newsgate.x-privat.org> wrote:
Then the big bang, string theory, and so many others are just mystical
stories too.
No one can evaluate them either.
Well physicists can.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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29 Dec 2005 05:16:19 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:p8j6r1paohae8bu6hheuu809puelmp4t8v@4ax.com:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:13:39 +0200, in alt.atheism , "k" <-> in
<43b2f259_3@newsgate.x-privat.org> wrote:
Then the big bang, string theory, and so many others are just mystical
stories too.
No one can evaluate them either.
Well physicists can.
[snip]
Another issue is the "contest" between creationists and science. The
creationists like to think they have the answer for every question. Science
never claimed that it did, so the creationists automatically think they are
"better". Truth be known, god/religion/faith does not have all the answers
either. Eventually one gets to the point where the religious irrationalism
becomes so apparant further conversation is pointless.
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| User: "Jason" |
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28 Dec 2005 01:51:57 PM |
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In article <41ftdlF1dcj9tU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2bdc4_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
The fact is that no one really knows what happened.
The problem with evolution theory is that it does not explain how life
originated.
It talks about how life forms evolve.
That's right and it's not a problem. Evolution was NEVER about how life
originated.
Don't be so fast to discredit a possibility if a higher intelligence or
power, creating life...
if you study the complexity of it and see how all the mechanisms of even a
single cell work... you will be amazed.
Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. However, as there's no evidence that anything
was done by a "higher intelligence or power", I have no reason to believe
this is what happened.
I have a scientific mind.. and that means you should not hastily run into
conclusions. I would suggest that you should also do that.
Haven't done that. However, I can't believe without evidence.
That's the problem. There is no evidence related to some of the most important
assertions of evolution theory. One example: Evolutionists INFER that
mankind and great apes evolved from a common ancestor. If they had the
skeleton of the common ancestor--that would be EVIDENCE. To infer that the
common ancestor once existed is NOT evidence or proof. The advocates of
creation science infer that God created life.
Jason
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We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice.
We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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29 Dec 2005 05:31:31 AM |
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(Jason) wrote in
news:jason-2812051151580001@pm4-broad-9.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
In article <41ftdlF1dcj9tU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"k" <-> wrote in message news:43b2bdc4_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
The fact is that no one really knows what happened.
The problem with evolution theory is that it does not explain how
life originated.
It talks about how life forms evolve.
That's right and it's not a problem. Evolution was NEVER about how life
originated.
Don't be so fast to discredit a possibility if a higher intelligence
or power, creating life...
if you study the complexity of it and see how all the mechanisms of
even a single cell work... you will be amazed.
Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. However, as there's no evidence that
anything was done by a "higher intelligence or power", I have no reason
to believe this is what happened.
I have a scientific mind.. and that means you should not hastily run
into conclusions. I would suggest that you should also do that.
Haven't done that. However, I can't believe without evidence.
That's the problem. There is no evidence related to some of the most
important assertions of evolution theory. One example: Evolutionists
INFER that mankind and great apes evolved from a common ancestor. If
they had the skeleton of the common ancestor--that would be EVIDENCE. To
infer that the common ancestor once existed is NOT evidence or proof.
The advocates of creation science infer that God created life.
Jason
It actually is worse than that. Creationists deny that fossils are the
fossilized remains of animals. They believe that God created the fossils
and the earth 8000 years ago. Why did God created the fossils? To "test
our faith".
pierce
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