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youngopinions@aol.com wrote:

Even the atheists can't argue with that.





http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/8/42006h.asp



...A survey of English professors at 34 top U.S. colleges and
universities
yielded a surprising result: Almost every single one said that
young
people need to know more about the Bible if they were to adequately
understand both the classics of Western literature and contemporary
work.

The problem is this article seems to indicate
otherwise. Lots of smart young educated people
are not reading the bible.

Which will show them to be deficient to those who do read the Bible.

And they can get by
with that, despite the handwringing.

But, they will still be deficient compared to those who did/do read
the
Bible.

One can get by with not reading Milton, or Bunyon.

One can get by without reading Harry Potter and The DaVinci Code.

What contemporary work do we need to know
that demands a bible?

Demands? Why do you think everything is a demand in life?

When we look what bible reading did for George Bush,
its a postive good that more people do not read
this book of tall tales unless being taught the bible
means being taught why it is also false, untrue and
causes people to be stupid.

Weird.

It as a book is a source of infection of bad and
evil ideas. People would be far better off reading
Darwin and similar works.

I have read both.

Since it seems many people cannot read the bible
without becoming metally deranged, the less people
who read it, the better.

Weird.
The fewer that read it, the more ignorance there is amongst us.

--
"The world holds two classes of men -- intelligent
men without religion, and religious men without
intelligence".
- Abu'l-Ala-Al-Ma'arri (973-1057; Syrian poet)

Too bad abualalmaarri missed so many persons, huh?
He omitted the classes of people who are intelligent and religious,
and
those who are ignorant and without religion.

What about the other 99.99% of the world's population?

You mean the people that the person you quoted missed?

No, the rest of us, who are either educated and not religious or dumb
as a bag of spanners, probably ineducable and as superstitious as you.

You are saying that 99.99 percent of the world is educated and not
religious?

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youngopinions@aol.com wrote:

Even the atheists can't argue with that.





http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/8/42006h.asp



...A survey of English professors at 34 top U.S. colleges and
universities
yielded a surprising result: Almost every single one said that young
people need to know more about the Bible if they were to adequately
understand both the classics of Western literature and contemporary
work.

The problem is this article seems to indicate
otherwise. Lots of smart young educated people
are not reading the bible.

Which will show them to be deficient to those who do read the Bible.

Why? Prove your answer.

The mere lack of knowledge (ignorance) that comes from failing to study
something is proof enough.

It is impossible to have knowledge about everything.

In your opinion? Would that be your personal opinion you form from your lack
of knowledge?

People who do not study the Bible at all will lack the knowledge that
comes
from such study.

Just like the millions of other books they won't study.

So, there is knowledge of things which are true, and knowledge of things
which can be called fantasy or fiction.

Some persons choose to leave the world of fantasy behind and to stay with
reality rather than concocting fanciful stories such as Harry Potter which
teaches practically no one how to be a productive individual.

So what?

There are things which haev very little benefit to persons.
There are other things which are very beneficial to society at large.

Persons who do read the Bible, or did read the Bible, study the same
subjects in schools that other students study; which shows the amount of
knowledge that those who do not study the Bible possess is less than those
who do study more information than the 'secular' curriculum only.

That is insane.

*****. It is true. People who study the Bible as well as the 'secular'
materials will possess more knowledge than those who study the 'secular'
materials only.

And totally unimportant.

Error.
The point is valid.
Possessing more knowledge than others is what can elevate a person above the
persons who know less.

And they can get by
with that, despite the handwringing.

But, they will still be deficient compared to those who did/do read the
Bible.

Why? Prove your answer.

Read above. The knowledge base will be greater for those who do study the
Bible.

Not if they spend that same time studying something else.

If they fail to study the Bible they will still lack knowledge of it.

There is no way to know as much as persons who study both the Bible and all
other materials.
Ignoring the Bible makes you less knowledgable than those who do study the
Bible who also study that which you study.

One can get by with not reading Milton, or Bunyon.

One can get by without reading Harry Potter and The DaVinci Code.

Irrelevant.

Why?

One can get by without reading many books.

True.

Including any and all
religious books.

I assume so. But, the knowledge level, if one does not posses said
knowledge, is less than someone who knows more.

It as a book is a source of infection of bad and
evil ideas. People would be far better off reading
Darwin and similar works.

I have read both.

I don't see where that question was asked.

I made a statement.

Do you really think anyone here cares what you have read?

Do, you think I care what you failed to read?

LOL!
I studied both.

Since it seems many people cannot read the bible
without becoming metally deranged, the less people
who read it, the better.

Weird.
The fewer that read it, the more ignorance there is amongst us.

Only ignorance about your bible.

Which shows those who fail to study it any will know less than those who
do
study it.

Only as far as your bible is concerned, which is unimportant.

Error. I studied both.

My studies included both what some call secular studies as well as
religious
studies.
Ergo, my knowledge should be greater than those who studied only secular
items.

So? I agree - you have useless knowledge.

Error. What I studied is known by both groups.

Therefore, what I studied pertains to both groups.

While you neglect one group and insult them with regard to their knowledge I
show you that I place importance in both areas.

So, take a back seat.

I have read a lot of
fiction so I have useless knowledge too.

Your problem is that the fiction you have read is known to be fiction to
virtually everyone, some of which I have read myself, and your stage act
that the Bible is fiction makes you into someone that the persons who
believe the Bible to be true will not endear themselves to.

Your position behind me is warranted.

Please prove why that is bad.

Ignorance isn't what I rely upon in making decisions.

Unproven speculation is certainly not something to be used in making
decisions.

So, why do you speculate that the Bible is not true?

--
"The world holds two classes of men -- intelligent
men without religion, and religious men without
intelligence".
- Abu'l-Ala-Al-Ma'arri (973-1057; Syrian poet)

Too bad abualalmaarri missed so many persons, huh?
He omitted the classes of people who are intelligent and religious

Oxymoron.

Ridiculous.

Not really.

Nah. Really.
Thing is you have no proof of your asssertion there.
And, that is a fact.

What about Gregor Mendel?

So? I agree in the past religion had a stranglehold on most cultures
to the point that it was dangerous not to conform. I am sure many did
so simply to stay alive.

When people such as you assert that religion and knowledge have no
relationship it is easily shown that you are in error.

Not really.

Your task is to prove that religion has no truth of knowledge in it, if you
expect to be believed.

, and
those who are ignorant and without religion.

--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Unconstitutional opinion.

How can an opinion be Unconstitutional?

Where do you find "Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom" anywhere in law or in the
Constitution?

So, there is knowledge of things which are true, and knowledge of things
which can be called fantasy or fiction.
Some persons choose to leave the world of fantasy behind and to stay with
reality rather than concocting fanciful stories such as Harry Potter which
teaches practically no one how to be a productive individual.

There are things which haev very little benefit to persons.

There are other things which are very beneficial to society at large.

*****. It is true. People who study the Bible as well as the 'secular'
materials will possess more knowledge than those who study the 'secular'
materials only.

Possessing more knowledge than others is what can elevate a person above the
persons who know less.

If they fail to study the Bible they will still lack knowledge of it.

There is no way to know as much as persons who study both the Bible and all
other materials.
Ignoring the Bible makes you less knowledgable than those who do study the
Bible who also study that which you study.

I studied both.

Error. What I studied is known by both groups.
Therefore, what I studied pertains to both groups.
While you neglect one group and insult them with regard to their knowledge I
show you that I place importance in both areas.
So, take a back seat.

Your problem is that the fiction you have read is known to be fiction to
virtually everyone, some of which I have read myself, and your stage act
that the Bible is fiction makes you into someone that the persons who
believe the Bible to be true will not endear themselves to.
Your position behind me is warranted.

So, why do you speculate that the Bible is not true?

Your task is to prove that religion has no truth of knowledge in it, if you
expect to be believed.