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"Les Hellawell" |
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05 Oct 2006 03:24:05 AM |
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Interesting drama o TV last night |
Robson Green stars as a psychologists who assists the Police
with serial murders. Well he does not so much help but lead
the enquiry. It is generally an entertaining series for
a bit of relaxation.
Last night episode starts with him persuading a despairing
young man not to jump off a high building who he then
treats as a patient.
He meets a fellow pyschologist a USA'er who is an
evangelists. The evangelist mentions that he had heard
Robson was not a believer and says he will fail to
persuade the lad to want to live as there can be no
hope without religion. Robson replies tha if we need
religion to live God help us. The evangelist says that
not all problems can be solved and in these cases the
solution is to turn to god. Robson responds with an
apt quip about invisible friends. When they later
investigate the evangelist it turns out all his
qualifications are bogus. Anybody recognise a familiar
pattern here?
The murders are rather strange with at least two victims
each time in gruesome deaths. It turns out one of the
victims murdered the other killing himself afterwards and
the evangelist is the one persuading them to do it
For example, one of the victims was a baishop who
was selling off a redundant church to raise money
to help the poor and the buyer is a night club owner.
This is described by the evangelist as desecrating
a house of god hence he has him killed by one of
his followers
Of course the evangelist is an
'end-of-the-world-is-nigh-ist' and helping the event
come sooner is no bad thing. He talks about the Gospels
being THE word of god and other nonesense.
Would this sort of drama ever appear on US TV
or don't they dare? It certainly aught to as it shows
the kinds of extremes the nuttier end of religion
can and may get to. It was fiction of course but authors
use fiction as a way to express their thoughts, warnings
and ideas in a way that gets through to people.
People certainly need awaking to the dangers of religion
(if they are not already aware) when it gets to
extremes as it seems to be doing these days with
suicide bombers and now camps in the USA for
god warrior kids. The current rise in extreme
evangelism is a frightening trend
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| Title: Re: Interesting drama o TV last night |
05 Oct 2006 04:23:34 AM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
Robson Green stars as a psychologists who assists the Police
with serial murders. Well he does not so much help but lead
the enquiry. It is generally an entertaining series for
a bit of relaxation.
Last night episode starts with him persuading a despairing
young man not to jump off a high building who he then
treats as a patient.
He meets a fellow pyschologist a USA'er who is an
evangelists. The evangelist mentions that he had heard
Robson was not a believer and says he will fail to
persuade the lad to want to live as there can be no
hope without religion. Robson replies tha if we need
religion to live God help us. The evangelist says that
not all problems can be solved and in these cases the
solution is to turn to god. Robson responds with an
apt quip about invisible friends. When they later
investigate the evangelist it turns out all his
qualifications are bogus. Anybody recognise a familiar
pattern here?
The murders are rather strange with at least two victims
each time in gruesome deaths. It turns out one of the
victims murdered the other killing himself afterwards and
the evangelist is the one persuading them to do it
For example, one of the victims was a baishop who
was selling off a redundant church to raise money
to help the poor and the buyer is a night club owner.
This is described by the evangelist as desecrating
a house of god hence he has him killed by one of
his followers
Of course the evangelist is an
'end-of-the-world-is-nigh-ist' and helping the event
come sooner is no bad thing. He talks about the Gospels
being THE word of god and other nonesense.
Would this sort of drama ever appear on US TV
or don't they dare? It certainly aught to as it shows
the kinds of extremes the nuttier end of religion
can and may get to. It was fiction of course but authors
use fiction as a way to express their thoughts, warnings
and ideas in a way that gets through to people.
People certainly need awaking to the dangers of religion
(if they are not already aware) when it gets to
extremes as it seems to be doing these days with
suicide bombers and now camps in the USA for
god warrior kids. The current rise in extreme
evangelism is a frightening trend
Something like that *might make it onto US television, but there would
be a howl. Several of these evangelist groups have a division that does
nothing but watch everything produced in this country, and looks for
"disrespect". They then issue "press releases" decrying America's lost
innocence and increasing secular chaos..read a few of these, and you'll
see why so many of us in the US are saying "Orwell!" with every other
breath. Doublespeak is here.
http://www.americanfamilycoalition.org/
http://mdccc.org/index.asp
http://www.pafamilies.org/afc/index.php
http://www.afa.net/
http://www.cc.org/about.cfm
"Today, Americans are bombarded with countless political messages from
across the ideological spectrum. Because of this, it is becoming
increasingly difficult to separate truth from fiction and right from
wrong."
That's from the last one.
One thing I do see on telly over here is the intentional insertion of
godspam into scenes that would have not needed it otherwise. One of my
favorite dramas over here is about a father-daughter team that moved
into the private investigation business after a showbiz crime resulted
in the father's removal from the county Sherrif's position. In one
scene, the daughter's car has a flat tire. "Flat?" asks her friend.
"Just as god made me..", she replies. Not, "..no jokes about my
chest.." which would have been much clearer, and not glancing at
herself & back up again, which would have removed a line. The young
actress is good enough to have pulled it off, there are many other
scenes in the series where she's got the perfect teenager `dismissive
scowl'.
Here's another example. This is a little story of religion's expansion
into media, from the radio shows of the `30s to television of today.
Notice the reviewer's attempt to report this as simply a buisiness
issue. Perhaps he's just trying to be unbiased, however.
http://www.post-gazette.com/tv/20010715tv0715fnP2.asp
Notice the mention of National Public Radio hiring its first religion
reporter. Public television is doing much the same (especially here in
the American South). My last refuge is gone. I'm so tired of hearing
this crap I could scream, but people over here actually think it makes
society better.
People have tried to make this kind of programming:
http://www.tv.com/the-book-of-daniel/show/32641/summary.html
It didn't make it.
www.nbc.com/The_Book_of_Daniel/
It's 404 now. Why? This:
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271%7C99311%7C1%7C,00.html
Hell, I thought they were being respectful just portraying Jesus as
actually existing..go figure. <g>
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
Plonked by Kadadcha Man Sept. `06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of another."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Interesting drama o TV last night |
05 Oct 2006 01:21:45 PM |
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wrote:
Here's another example. This is a little story of religion's expansion
into media, from the radio shows of the `30s to television of today.
Notice the reviewer's attempt to report this as simply a buisiness
issue. Perhaps he's just trying to be unbiased, however.
http://www.post-gazette.com/tv/20010715tv0715fnP2.asp
Did you follow the sidebar link to "Religion portrayed in prime time
rarely reflects reality"? It had this unintentionally hysterical
comment:
"Drama tends to get writers into difficult situations because good drama
requires conflict," Schultze said. "How do you develop conflict with
respect to religion?"
Wow, that's a puzzler. How could someone think religion might lead to
conflict? *rolls eyes*
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Interesting drama o TV last night |
05 Oct 2006 11:52:29 PM |
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L. Raymond wrote:
panamfloyd@hotmail.com wrote:
Here's another example. This is a little story of religion's expansion
into media, from the radio shows of the `30s to television of today.
Notice the reviewer's attempt to report this as simply a buisiness
issue. Perhaps he's just trying to be unbiased, however.
http://www.post-gazette.com/tv/20010715tv0715fnP2.asp
Did you follow the sidebar link to "Religion portrayed in prime time
rarely reflects reality"? It had this unintentionally hysterical
comment:
"Drama tends to get writers into difficult situations because good drama
requires conflict," Schultze said. "How do you develop conflict with
respect to religion?"
Wow, that's a puzzler. How could someone think religion might lead to
conflict? *rolls eyes*
ROFL! I didn't notice it at first, but went back and read it after you
mentioned it. I noticed he echoed my wandering about religious tripe
`out of the blue':
"People in the entertainment industry have trouble with this," said
Quentin Schultze, a communication professor at Calvin College. "Often
it feels like a Christian character has been dropped in. It happened on
'L.A. Law' and often comes across as an attempt to pander to a
religious subculture. Religious people look at it and think, 'That's
not how I experience spiritual life.' Secular people look at it and
think spiritual people are wacky. It's a real problem."
There's better stuff than that, though. The one you found, and I loved
*this* one:
"The networks said nobody would be interested. Decision-makers in the
entertainment industry tend to have a secular orientation even though
the employees and audience they serve don't."
Yeah. College educated people *usually* have a secular outlook on
things...especially when millions of dollars are involved. <g>
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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