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"loose cannon" |
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16 Jun 2005 12:27:35 AM |
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Internationalize Jerusalem |
The time has come to once again address the issue of Jerusalem. Despite
the current goodwill amongst Israeli's and Palestinians, the final
status of Jerusalem is far too important to all the peoples of the
world to allow only these two entities to determine. The UN should
immediately convene and debate whether it is in everyones best
interests for this holiest of cities to be nationalized, beholden to no
one nation or people. The members of the Security Council could arrange
security concerns and deal with any nation that refuses to abide by the
UN's decision.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
17 Jun 2005 05:57:15 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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El Bleacho wrote:
ANazi@hotmail.com wrote:
Scam, created by the Arab Coalition. Libya was not dealt with.
and Iran is not making nukes
Come on now. I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night.
She
has
been producing illegal plutonium for years.
So has the Israeli regime.
Translation: you caught him, & he can't refute what you say, so he decides
to change the subject, throwing in a lie (that you did catch, below).
In fact, the Israeli regime is suspected of
illegally building over nuclear weapons. So what is your point.
Not a regime, a government. And what exactly is the definition of
illegally
building nuclear weapons?
If Jews do it to protect themselves.
(Or was this a rhetorical question on your part?)
No, I really wanted to see what this refuge from a genetic experiment would
say :)
Mickey
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
17 Jun 2005 05:41:31 PM |
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<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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El Bleacho wrote:
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
The borders as per 181?
Yep, the borders which Israel immediately violated by occupying areas
outside of the partition as outlined in Plan Dalet.
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being
approved,
and then a week or two later seven Arab countries attacking without
warning.
I seem to remember that the Arabs never once entered the areas
partitioned to Jews, and that the fighting between Jews and Arab
occured between Jews deep inside the Arab side of the partition lines.
Are you saying that the Arabs crossed the border into lands partitioned
to jews?
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a
Temple in Mecca and Medina.
Even for what?
Even for you wanting Jerusalem to be international and not owned by the
Jewish State. Let the Muslim murderers give up their Mecca and Modena;
and
let the Jews put a Temple smack dab in the middle of those two cities.
Fair
is fair.
If you look at the map, It was not given to the Jewish state, so it
does not belong to Israel.
It called for it to be an internationalized zone as shown on the map
below.
http://www.mideastweb.org/unpartition.htm
I think the Arab attack on Israel changed the borders a bit.
Israel attacked them by crossing over the borders outlined by the UN.
WHAT!!! 7 Arab nations and 15 others in support attacked us, are you nuts or
what?
Mickey
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| User: "El Bleacho" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
17 Jun 2005 10:41:31 PM |
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Mickey wrote:
It called for it to be an internationalized zone as shown on the
map below.
http://www.mideastweb.org/unpartition.htm
I think the Arab attack on Israel changed the borders a bit.
Israel attacked them by crossing over the borders outlined by the UN.
WHAT!!! 7 Arab nations and 15 others in support attacked us, are you
nuts or what?
Wow - talk about revisionist lies, eh? Now that assnozzle says the Arab
countries did not attack Israel? Mickey - just toss him in killfile and
save your blood pressure. The moron is not worthy of your responses.
--
_____________________
I am hung like Einstein;
and as smart as a horse!
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
18 Jun 2005 06:42:21 AM |
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"El Bleacho" <ElBleacho@Clorox.gov> wrote in message
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Mickey wrote:
It called for it to be an internationalized zone as shown on the
map below.
http://www.mideastweb.org/unpartition.htm
I think the Arab attack on Israel changed the borders a bit.
Israel attacked them by crossing over the borders outlined by the UN.
WHAT!!! 7 Arab nations and 15 others in support attacked us, are you
nuts or what?
Wow - talk about revisionist lies, eh? Now that assnozzle says the Arab
countries did not attack Israel? Mickey - just toss him in killfile and
save your blood pressure. The moron is not worthy of your responses.
Oh, you are absolutely correct. Then again, like Alex, he is a source of
amusement for me. In any case, his lies should not sit their unchallenged,
and his are SO easy to expose, it takes little effort.
Mickey
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
19 Jun 2005 01:35:44 AM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Wow - talk about revisionist lies, eh? Now that assnozzle says the Arab
countries did not attack Israel? Mickey - just toss him in killfile and
save your blood pressure. The moron is not worthy of your responses.
Oh, you are absolutely correct. Then again, like Alex, he is a source of
amusement for me. In any case, his lies should not sit their unchallenged,
and his are SO easy to expose, it takes little effort.
Currently at our university we have a "no platform" policy for racists. It
is workable as long as racists are in a tiny minority, and Nazi
anti-Semitism is one of the types of racism it is designed to tackle.
However it is totally impossible to try to extend this policy to Palestinian
Arabs. Jewish organisations don't even try, though they regularly accuse the
Palestinian lobby of anti-Semitism.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
19 Jun 2005 08:13:06 AM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Wow - talk about revisionist lies, eh? Now that assnozzle says the
Arab
countries did not attack Israel? Mickey - just toss him in killfile
and
save your blood pressure. The moron is not worthy of your responses.
Oh, you are absolutely correct. Then again, like Alex, he is a source of
amusement for me. In any case, his lies should not sit their
unchallenged,
and his are SO easy to expose, it takes little effort.
Currently at our university we have a "no platform" policy for racists. It
is workable as long as racists are in a tiny minority, and Nazi
anti-Semitism is one of the types of racism it is designed to tackle.
However it is totally impossible to try to extend this policy to
Palestinian
Arabs. Jewish organisations don't even try, though they regularly accuse
the
Palestinian lobby of anti-Semitism.
Given that the sole goal of "palestinian" Arabs is to destroy the State of
Israel and kill off every Jew, they could hardly be wrong.
Mickey
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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19 Jun 2005 02:53:54 PM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Jewish organisations don't even try, though they regularly accuse
t he Palestinian lobby of anti-Semitism.
Given that the sole goal of "palestinian" Arabs is to destroy the State of
Israel and kill off every Jew, they could hardly be wrong.
You see things in a very ego-centric way. Do you think that every
Palestinian Arab is solely motivated by a desire to kill Jews, and has no
other ambitions or interests?
Have you ever been to the Middle East? Or do you think that news bulletins
give you a representative snapshot of what life is like there?
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
19 Jun 2005 08:35:03 PM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Jewish organisations don't even try, though they regularly accuse
t he Palestinian lobby of anti-Semitism.
Given that the sole goal of "palestinian" Arabs is to destroy the State
of
Israel and kill off every Jew, they could hardly be wrong.
You see things in a very ego-centric way.
Yeah, the occupational hazard of one whose people have been hunted for 1500
years.
Do you think that every Palestinian Arab is solely motivated by a desire
to kill Jews, and has no
other ambitions or interests?
Not every one, I am sure, but so many that I'm not remotely disposed to
sorting out the few that aren't.
Have you ever been to the Middle East?
ROFL!!! I was BORN in Tiberias, and still reside there 6 months out of the
year..
Or do you think that news bulletins
give you a representative snapshot of what life is like there?
See above.
Mickey
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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20 Jun 2005 05:43:53 PM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Do you think that every Palestinian Arab is solely motivated by a desire
to kill Jews, and has no other ambitions or interests?
Not every one, I am sure, but so many that I'm not remotely disposed to
sorting out the few that aren't.
Have you ever been to the Middle East?
ROFL!!! I was BORN in Tiberias, and still reside there 6 months out of the
year..
So if you live in Tiberias you'll have the opportunity to speak to some
Palestinians occasionally. Incidentally there is a belief in Muslim circles
that the mosque in Tiberias has been converted to a toilet, which it has
not, although it isn't in the best state of repair.
What you will find is that most Palestinians have fantasised about killing a
Jew once in a while. This is only to be expected, when you have a conflict
going on. However for most of them it is not an overriding motivation.
Like everyone else Palestinians have families to provide for, members of the
opposite sex to seduce, qualifications to gain, and so on. If the presence
of Jews is seen as getting in the way of these ambitions, then of course
hostility ramps up massively. The Palestinian who is prepared to blow
himself up to make a political statement is in a distinct minority. For
every one, there are probably a hundred who would emigrate to the United
States if they could get a visa.
There are also some more interesting characteristics of Middle Eastern
populations, but more on that later. The point for now is that if you just
regard Palestinians as an amorphous mass of anti-Semitic murders, filled
with senseless hate, then you will never get anywhere. Are you going to wipe
out a hundred million Arabs?
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
20 Jun 2005 06:31:09 PM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Do you think that every Palestinian Arab is solely motivated by a
desire
to kill Jews, and has no other ambitions or interests?
Not every one, I am sure, but so many that I'm not remotely disposed to
sorting out the few that aren't.
Have you ever been to the Middle East?
ROFL!!! I was BORN in Tiberias, and still reside there 6 months out of
the
year..
So if you live in Tiberias you'll have the opportunity to speak to some
Palestinians occasionally. Incidentally there is a belief in Muslim
circles
that the mosque in Tiberias has been converted to a toilet, which it has
not, although it isn't in the best state of repair.
As there are no such thing as a"palestinians", I haven't met one, and Arabs
never come to Tiberias.
What you will find is that most Palestinians have fantasised about killing
a
Jew once in a while. This is only to be expected, when you have a conflict
going on. However for most of them it is not an overriding motivation.
Well gee, doesn't that just make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Like everyone else Palestinians have families to provide for, members of
the
opposite sex to seduce, qualifications to gain, and so on. If the presence
of Jews is seen as getting in the way of these ambitions, then of course
hostility ramps up massively. The Palestinian who is prepared to blow
himself up to make a political statement is in a distinct minority. For
every one, there are probably a hundred who would emigrate to the United
States if they could get a visa.
And yet, in Detroit, America's largest Arab city, there are almost none.
Lebanese, plenty, Iraqis abound, both Muslim and Chaldean, Jordanians are
everywhere as well, but I have yet to meet a single Arab from Israel.
There are also some more interesting characteristics of Middle Eastern
populations, but more on that later. The point for now is that if you just
regard Palestinians as an amorphous mass of anti-Semitic murders, filled
with senseless hate, then you will never get anywhere. Are you going to
wipe
out a hundred million Arabs?
If their intent is to wipe out me and my people, I'll personally pull the
switch. As I have said many a time before, people show up here and tell me
how it isn't ALL the Arabs, it isn't ALL the Muslims, it's just a few bad
eggs. And yet, if this is the case, where are the outcries from Islamic
religious leaders condemning terrorism in the strongest words and making
clear that you DON'T get 72 virgins and a condo next door to Mohammed,
where are the outcries from Arab political leaders stating that this
behavior is abhorrent? See, it's very easy to say these things, but the
reality just doesn't bear it out.
Mickey
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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20 Jun 2005 08:31:54 AM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Jewish organisations don't even try, though they regularly accuse
t he Palestinian lobby of anti-Semitism.
Given that the sole goal of "palestinian" Arabs is to destroy the State
of
Israel and kill off every Jew, they could hardly be wrong.
You see things in a very ego-centric way.
Yeah, the occupational hazard of one whose people have been hunted for
1500
years.
More like the observation of someone who knows how to read - they say it
*themselves*, even if they deny it at other time.
Do you think that every Palestinian Arab is solely motivated by a desire
to kill Jews, and has no
other ambitions or interests?
Not every one, I am sure, but so many that I'm not remotely disposed to
sorting out the few that aren't.
Have you ever been to the Middle East?
ROFL!!! I was BORN in Tiberias, and still reside there 6 months out of the
year..
Or do you think that news bulletins
give you a representative snapshot of what life is like there?
See above.
I love how they lecture when *they've* certainly never been there.
Susan
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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20 Jun 2005 12:25:28 AM |
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No, I don't think that -- Because not all Muslims are Arabs, and not all
Arabs are Muslims.
But do I think that about the majority of the Muslim-Arabs, yes, I do,
and my family is from the Middle East, and I lived in the Middle East,
as well as in Europe, where there are many Muslims.
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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: "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
: > > Jewish organisations don't even try, though they regularly accuse
: > >t he Palestinian lobby of anti-Semitism.
: >
: > Given that the sole goal of "palestinian" Arabs is to destroy the
State of
: > Israel and kill off every Jew, they could hardly be wrong.
: >
: You see things in a very ego-centric way. Do you think that every
: Palestinian Arab is solely motivated by a desire to kill Jews, and has
no
: other ambitions or interests?
: Have you ever been to the Middle East? Or do you think that news
bulletins
: give you a representative snapshot of what life is like there?
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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22 Jun 2005 05:30:20 PM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote
Malcolm.
: You see things in a very ego-centric way. Do you think that every
: Palestinian Arab is solely motivated by a desire to kill Jews, and has
: no other ambitions or interests?
No, I don't think that -- Because not all Muslims are Arabs, and not all
Arabs are Muslims.
But do I think that about the majority of the Muslim-Arabs, yes, I do,
and my family is from the Middle East, and I lived in the Middle East,
as well as in Europe, where there are many Muslims.
Please don't top-post (fixed).
I think you are answering a somewhat different argument. You'll often hear
it alleged that most or many Palestinians are committed to peace. The truth
is that very few are. But very few Palestinians have a serious motivation to
kill Jews as an end in itself either.
The suicide bomber or the peacemaker who will risk the hostility of his
neighbours by saying postive things about Jews is the exception, not the
rule. The average Palestinian wants to support his family, he wants a
girlfriend, he wants qualifications to help him in his career. Basically his
motives are the same as those of the rest of us.
That is not so say that he is irredeemably selfish and small minded. He
might throw a stone at a tank if it is obvious that the soldiers inside
aren't using live ammunition. There might be some genuine affection for a
Jew he works alongside. Maybe if he sees small children caught up in a riot
he feels a bit of responsibility and tells them they are too young to be
fighters just yet. However wiping out all the Jews isn't high on his list of
priorites, unless he feels that the presence of Jews in Palestine is what is
getting in the way of providing for that family, getting that girlfriend,
passing those exams.
If you are sensitive to these other ambitions and interests, maybe you can
find some way to neutralise the hostility. After all, what else are you
going to do?
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| User: "gab" |
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22 Jun 2005 05:59:04 PM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote
Malcolm.
: You see things in a very ego-centric way. Do you think that every
: Palestinian Arab is solely motivated by a desire to kill Jews, and has
: no other ambitions or interests?
No, I don't think that -- Because not all Muslims are Arabs, and not all
Arabs are Muslims.
It is unfortunate that most Muslims are stupid.
But do I think that about the majority of the Muslim-Arabs, yes, I do,
and my family is from the Middle East, and I lived in the Middle East,
as well as in Europe, where there are many Muslims.
Please don't top-post (fixed).
I think you are answering a somewhat different argument. You'll often hear
it alleged that most or many Palestinians are committed to peace. The
truth is that very few are. But very few Palestinians have a serious
motivation to kill Jews as an end in itself either.
The suicide bomber or the peacemaker who will risk the hostility of his
neighbours by saying postive things about Jews is the exception, not the
rule. The average Palestinian wants to support his family, he wants a
girlfriend, he wants qualifications to help him in his career. Basically
his motives are the same as those of the rest of us.
That is not so say that he is irredeemably selfish and small minded. He
might throw a stone at a tank if it is obvious that the soldiers inside
aren't using live ammunition. There might be some genuine affection for a
Jew he works alongside. Maybe if he sees small children caught up in a
riot he feels a bit of responsibility and tells them they are too young to
be fighters just yet. However wiping out all the Jews isn't high on his
list of priorites, unless he feels that the presence of Jews in Palestine
is what is getting in the way of providing for that family, getting that
girlfriend, passing those exams.
If you are sensitive to these other ambitions and interests, maybe you can
find some way to neutralise the hostility. After all, what else are you
going to do?
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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23 Jun 2005 10:31:52 PM |
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Let's see Israel built Universities in the disputed territories,
specifically for the Arabs there, along with other schools, and
hospitals, and a water/sewage system.
When the Palestinian Authority was established and we turned over all
control of Arab towns to the P.A., we also supplied their security
forces with weapons.
We have always allowed these foreigners, non-citizens the right to work
in Israel, when we did not have to.
And that is just for those Arabs who live outside of the State of
Israel.
The Israeli-Arabs, who have Israeli citizenship have full equal rights,
allowed to run for political office, have their own religious courts
funded by Israeli taxes. They make up 20% of the Israeli population and
have full access to schools, universities, and jobs as any citizen does.
Yet the more we give, the more suicide bombers they send into Israel to
murder our children, women, and the elderly!!!
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote
: Malcolm.
:: You see things in a very ego-centric way. Do you think that every
:: Palestinian Arab is solely motivated by a desire to kill Jews, and
has
:: no other ambitions or interests?
:
: > No, I don't think that -- Because not all Muslims are Arabs, and not
all
: > Arabs are Muslims.
: >
: > But do I think that about the majority of the Muslim-Arabs, yes, I
do,
: > and my family is from the Middle East, and I lived in the Middle
East,
: > as well as in Europe, where there are many Muslims.
: >
:
: Please don't top-post (fixed).
:
: I think you are answering a somewhat different argument. You'll often
hear
: it alleged that most or many Palestinians are committed to peace. The
truth
: is that very few are. But very few Palestinians have a serious
motivation to
: kill Jews as an end in itself either.
: The suicide bomber or the peacemaker who will risk the hostility of
his
: neighbours by saying postive things about Jews is the exception, not
the
: rule. The average Palestinian wants to support his family, he wants a
: girlfriend, he wants qualifications to help him in his career.
Basically his
: motives are the same as those of the rest of us.
: That is not so say that he is irredeemably selfish and small minded.
He
: might throw a stone at a tank if it is obvious that the soldiers
inside
: aren't using live ammunition. There might be some genuine affection
for a
: Jew he works alongside. Maybe if he sees small children caught up in a
riot
: he feels a bit of responsibility and tells them they are too young to
be
: fighters just yet. However wiping out all the Jews isn't high on his
list of
: priorites, unless he feels that the presence of Jews in Palestine is
what is
: getting in the way of providing for that family, getting that
girlfriend,
: passing those exams.
:
: If you are sensitive to these other ambitions and interests, maybe you
can
: find some way to neutralise the hostility. After all, what else are
you
: going to do?
:
:
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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25 Jun 2005 02:45:26 AM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote
The Israeli-Arabs, who have Israeli citizenship have full equal rights,
allowed to run for political office, have their own religious courts
funded by Israeli taxes. They make up 20% of the Israeli population and
have full access to schools, universities, and jobs as any citizen does.
And the Israeli Arabs obviously have mixed feelings when Israel is fighting
other Arabs, but the level of terrorism is quite low. They make their
opinions felt through the regular political process. Many in fact vote for
mainstream Israeli political parties like Labour.
So it is not inherently impossible to Jews and Arabs to live peacefully
together. Its the arabs who don't have these rights who are hostile.
Yet the more we give, the more suicide bombers they send into Israel to
murder our children, women, and the elderly!!!
There was a inherent flaw in the idea of land for peace.
If we agree to swap potatoes for carrots, and for some reason I am unhappy
with the potatoes I receive, maybe the quantitiy isn't right or they are too
small, then in the normal course of events you would say that I have the
right, even the obligation, to withhold some of my carrots until the dispute
is sorted out.
That's the problem with agreeing to trade land for peace.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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25 Jun 2005 03:30:38 AM |
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GAWD, you are one fucking stupid *****!!!
They don't have rights, because they are not citizens of Israel, nor do
they want to be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So it is Israel's fault that they rejected there own independent state
in 1948?????????
It is suppose to be Israel's fault that many chose Jordanian or Egyptian
citizenship over emigrating to Israel???? Or the ones who chose to
remain 'stateless'???????????
Get your fucking head out of your English ARSE.
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote
: >
: > The Israeli-Arabs, who have Israeli citizenship have full equal
rights,
: > allowed to run for political office, have their own religious courts
: > funded by Israeli taxes. They make up 20% of the Israeli population
and
: > have full access to schools, universities, and jobs as any citizen
does.
: >
: And the Israeli Arabs obviously have mixed feelings when Israel is
fighting
: other Arabs, but the level of terrorism is quite low. They make their
: opinions felt through the regular political process. Many in fact vote
for
: mainstream Israeli political parties like Labour.
: So it is not inherently impossible to Jews and Arabs to live
peacefully
: together. Its the arabs who don't have these rights who are hostile.
: >
: > Yet the more we give, the more suicide bombers they send into Israel
to
: > murder our children, women, and the elderly!!!
: >
: There was a inherent flaw in the idea of land for peace.
:
: If we agree to swap potatoes for carrots, and for some reason I am
unhappy
: with the potatoes I receive, maybe the quantitiy isn't right or they
are too
: small, then in the normal course of events you would say that I have
the
: right, even the obligation, to withhold some of my carrots until the
dispute
: is sorted out.
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| User: "JokingYou" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
17 Jun 2005 11:34:42 PM |
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"El Bleacho" <ElBleacho@Clorox.gov> wrote in message
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Mickey wrote:
It called for it to be an internationalized zone as shown on the
map below.
http://www.mideastweb.org/unpartition.htm
I think the Arab attack on Israel changed the borders a bit.
Israel attacked them by crossing over the borders outlined by the UN.
WHAT!!! 7 Arab nations and 15 others in support attacked us, are you
nuts or what?
Wow - talk about revisionist lies, eh? Now that assnozzle says the Arab
countries did not attack Israel? Mickey - just toss him in killfile and
save your blood pressure. The moron is not worthy of your responses.
He also insists that the rescued American kidnap victim received his black
eye by head butting the fist of one of his captors.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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17 Jun 2005 05:39:39 PM |
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<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119047174.128350.187720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
El Bleacho wrote:
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
The borders as per 181?
Yep, the borders which Israel immediately violated by occupying areas
outside of the partition as outlined in Plan Dalet.
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being
approved,
and then a week or two later seven Arab countries attacking without
warning.
I seem to remember that the Arabs never once entered the areas
partitioned to Jews, and that the fighting between Jews and Arab
occured between Jews deep inside the Arab side of the partition lines.
Are you saying that the Arabs crossed the border into lands partitioned
to jews?
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a
Temple in Mecca and Medina.
Even for what?
Even for you wanting Jerusalem to be international and not owned by the
Jewish State. Let the Muslim murderers give up their Mecca and Modena;
and
let the Jews put a Temple smack dab in the middle of those two cities.
Fair
is fair.
If you look at the map, It was not given to the Jewish state, so it
does not belong to Israel.
Oh well, you attack, you lose, tough luck.
Mickey
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| User: "Mickey" |
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17 Jun 2005 05:36:43 PM |
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<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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El Bleacho wrote:
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
The borders as per 181?
Yep, the borders which Israel immediately violated by occupying areas
outside of the partition as outlined in Plan Dalet.
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being
approved,
and then a week or two later seven Arab countries attacking without
warning.
I seem to remember that the Arabs never once entered the areas
partitioned to Jews, and that the fighting between Jews and Arab
occured between Jews deep inside the Arab side of the partition lines.
Are you saying that the Arabs crossed the border into lands partitioned
to jews?
You bet they did.
Mickey
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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17 Jun 2005 05:49:22 PM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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<ANazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119047174.128350.187720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
El Bleacho wrote:
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
The borders as per 181?
Yep, the borders which Israel immediately violated by occupying areas
outside of the partition as outlined in Plan Dalet.
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being
approved,
and then a week or two later seven Arab countries attacking without
warning.
I seem to remember that the Arabs never once entered the areas
partitioned to Jews, and that the fighting between Jews and Arab
occured between Jews deep inside the Arab side of the partition lines.
See? I *said* he doesn't have a "strange memory" - HE LIES.
Are you saying that the Arabs crossed the border into lands partitioned
to jews?
You bet they did.
He knows they did.
He just figures that his master, Goebbels, was right.
Susan
Mickey
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| User: "" |
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17 Jun 2005 05:44:08 PM |
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El Bleacho wrote:
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being
approved,
and then a week or two later seven Arab countries attacking without
warning.
<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119047174.128350.187720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
I seem to remember that the Arabs never once entered the areas
partitioned to Jews, and that the fighting between Jews and Arab
occured between Jews deep inside the Arab side of the partition lines.
Are you saying that the Arabs crossed the border into lands partitioned
to jews?
Mickey wrote:
You bet they did.
Mickey
The Syrian army invaded territory partitioned to the Jews in the
Galilee; the Iraqi army invaded Jewish territory and were operating in
the coastal area south of Haifa at the time of the first truce; and the
Egyptian army with its Saudi and Sudanese auxiliaries invaded territory
partitioned to the Jews in the Negev, where the worst of the fighting
took place. Only the Jordanian army remained in territory partitioned
to the second Arab state, because it was Jordan's intention to prevent
creation of the second Arab state in Palestine, run by ex-Nazi allies.
Deborah
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| User: "El Bleacho" |
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17 Jun 2005 10:39:25 PM |
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wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being
approved, and then a week or two later seven Arab countries
attacking without warning.
<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119047174.128350.187720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
I seem to remember that the Arabs never once entered the areas
partitioned to Jews, and that the fighting between Jews and Arab
occured between Jews deep inside the Arab side of the partition
lines. Are you saying that the Arabs crossed the border into lands
partitioned to jews?
Mickey wrote:
You bet they did.
Mickey
The Syrian army invaded territory partitioned to the Jews in the
Galilee; the Iraqi army invaded Jewish territory and were operating in
the coastal area south of Haifa at the time of the first truce; and
the Egyptian army with its Saudi and Sudanese auxiliaries invaded
territory partitioned to the Jews in the Negev, where the worst of
the fighting took place. Only the Jordanian army remained in
territory partitioned to the second Arab state, because it was
Jordan's intention to prevent creation of the second Arab state in
Palestine, run by ex-Nazi allies.
Thank you for that excellent historical detail, Deb. I have decided that
AZN is not worth my time and threw him in killfile, however. He, like
Torres; does not want to learn the truth. And what time do we have to deal
with idiots like that when we can be busy learning from each other. This is
exactly why we Jews prosper and muslims do not. They are busy killing
people (and each other), while we are busy trying to increase our
intelligence and value to the world.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
17 Jun 2005 10:44:15 PM |
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"El Bleacho" <ElBleacho@Clorox.gov> wrote in message
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dsharavii@hotmail.com wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being
approved, and then a week or two later seven Arab countries
attacking without warning.
<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119047174.128350.187720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
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I am hung like Einstein;
and as smart as a horse!
LOL. Thanks for actually contributing something
to the usenet. ;)
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| User: "El Bleacho" |
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17 Jun 2005 11:29:32 PM |
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
LOL. Thanks for actually contributing something
to the usenet. ;)
You are very welcome, Ron. And thank you for the compliment!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
20 Jun 2005 12:35:23 PM |
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<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119047174.128350.187720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
I seem to remember that the Arabs never once entered the areas
partitioned to Jews, and that the fighting between Jews and Arab
occured between Jews deep inside the Arab side of the partition
lines. Are you saying that the Arabs crossed the border into lands
partitioned to jews?
Mickey wrote:
You bet they did.
Mickey
The Syrian army invaded territory partitioned to the Jews in the
Galilee; the Iraqi army invaded Jewish territory and were operating in
the coastal area south of Haifa at the time of the first truce; and
the Egyptian army with its Saudi and Sudanese auxiliaries invaded
territory partitioned to the Jews in the Negev, where the worst of
the fighting took place. Only the Jordanian army remained in
territory partitioned to the second Arab state, because it was
Jordan's intention to prevent creation of the second Arab state in
Palestine, run by ex-Nazi allies.
El Bleacho wrote:
Thank you for that excellent historical detail, Deb.
Very welcome. It was more a rough overview than detail, though.
I have decided that
AZN is not worth my time and threw him in killfile, however. He, like
Torres; does not want to learn the truth.
They have both repeatedly demonstrated this sad inability.
And what time do we have to deal
with idiots like that when we can be busy learning from each other. This is
exactly why we Jews prosper and muslims do not. They are busy killing
people (and each other), while we are busy trying to increase our
intelligence and value to the world.
Some Muslims choose to increase their intelligence and value to the
world. This does not seem to be the case with the majority, however,
and that is why the countries where they predominate are amongst the
poorest and most backward, and will no doubt remain so.
Deborah
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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17 Jun 2005 08:04:33 PM |
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Let's not forget Vatican City... FREE THE VATICAN PEOPLE!
"El Bleacho" <ElBleacho@Clorox.gov> wrote in message
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21 Jun 2005 11:15:38 AM |
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El Bleacho wrote:
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a Temple in
Mecca and Medina.
How about either one of these?
http://www.strangecosmos.com/c=ADontent/item/8365.html
http://www.strangecosmos.com/c=ADontent/item/9341.html=20
Deborah
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| User: "Ben Cramer" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
22 Jun 2005 04:34:04 AM |
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Vaporise Jerusalem. Now there's a concept.
<dsharavi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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El Bleacho wrote:
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a Temple in
Mecca and Medina.
How about either one of these?
http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/8365.html
http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/9341.html
Deborah
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
16 Jun 2005 01:17:51 AM |
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"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
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The time has come to once again address the issue of Jerusalem.
And yet again, a Jew-hater exposes himself.
Not once did any of these bigots say a word about "internationalizing
Jerusalem" until it became obvious that it was permanently in JEWISH hands.
Susan
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