Which is why Jewish lineage is through WOMEN only!

"JokingYou" <jeffile@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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: "WJ20K" <webjunk20000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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: >
: > Mickey wrote:
: >> "JokingYou" <jeffile@pacbell.net> wrote in message
: >> news:BtWse.30465$J12.23598@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
: >> >
: >> > "WJ20K" <webjunk20000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >> > news:1119071645.009095.16290@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: >> > > Coming from someone who posts cooking recipes, using dead
children
: >> > > from
: >> > > this conflict, on the net it is rather interesting to note that
the
: >> > > same person states " Most sources on Arafat are highly
contradictory,
: >> > > due to the numerous lies Arafat told about himself and his past
over
: >> > > the course of his too-long life." How someone like that
believes
: >> > > they
: >> > > are able to determine what are lies, what is myth and what is
reality
: >> > > is highly questionable. There is also a slew of 'evidence'
that all
: >> > > show Palestinian heritage for each and every one of the ones
which
: >> > > point away. Let us not forget that this is something that is
in the
: >> > > interest of Israeli's to emphasize, just like Palestinians
emphasize
: >> > > the most Jews in Israel have no recent roots in the place, this
silly
: >> > > game is played by both. On a similar note one can also claim
that
: >> > > what
: >> > > is in the Torah about a god having given some land to some
people, is
: >> > > at best a myth perpeturated throughout the ages, or at worst a
lie to
: >> > > try to seize land from others. NO ONE can prove it one way or
the
: >> > > other. But does that stop people from acting according to
those
: >> > > beliefs as if they are facts? Of course not because they are
: >> > > accepted
: >> > > as facts against all logic. A prime reason this silly conflict
goes
: >> > > on
: >> > > and on.
: >> > > [WJ20K]
: >> > >
: >> > That is a erroneous point as Muslims (as stated in the Quran) as
well
: >> > as
: >> > Jews believe the land was given to the Israelites. What is in
dispute
: >> > is
: >> > the lineage of present day settlers of Israel whoMuslims do not
believe
: >> are
: >> > decendents of the Israelites of old or that Ishmael is a
decendent of
: >> > Arbaham and the Arabs are also entitled to the land as dictated
by the
: >> > Abrahamic covenent.
: >>
: >> As my family's lineage can be traced back in Tiberias to a time
prior to
: >> the
: >> birth of their prophet, that point is also moot.
: >>
: >> Mickey
: >
: > Talking about such silly matters as lineage, who came first etc.
: > totally misses the point and is always employed by those who do not
: > want to look at the true causes of the conflict today.
: > [WJ20K]
:
: Tracing lineage is only helpful to the ego of the perrson doing the
tracing.
: It nevers takes into consideration the very likelihood of an early
visit by
: the milkman.
: >
:
:

"WJ20K" <webjunk20000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Coming from someone who posts cooking recipes, using dead children from
this conflict, on the net it is rather interesting to note that the
same person states " Most sources on Arafat are highly contradictory,
due to the numerous lies Arafat told about himself and his past over
the course of his too-long life." How someone like that believes they
are able to determine what are lies, what is myth and what is reality
is highly questionable. There is also a slew of 'evidence' that all
show Palestinian heritage for each and every one of the ones which
point away. Let us not forget that this is something that is in the
interest of Israeli's to emphasize, just like Palestinians emphasize
the most Jews in Israel have no recent roots in the place, this silly
game is played by both. On a similar note one can also claim that what
is in the Torah about a god having given some land to some people, is
at best a myth perpeturated throughout the ages, or at worst a lie to
try to seize land from others. NO ONE can prove it one way or the
other. But does that stop people from acting according to those
beliefs as if they are facts? Of course not because they are accepted
as facts against all logic. A prime reason this silly conflict goes on
and on.
[WJ20K]

That is a erroneous point as Muslims (as stated in the Quran) as well as
Jews believe the land was given to the Israelites.

the lineage of present day settlers of Israel whoMuslims do not believe are
decendents of the Israelites of old or that Ishmael is a decendent of
Arbaham and the Arabs are also entitled to the land as dictated by the
Abrahamic covenent.

Coming from someone who posts cooking recipes, using dead children from
this conflict, on the net it is rather interesting to note that the
same person states " Most sources on Arafat are highly contradictory,
due to the numerous lies Arafat told about himself and his past over
the course of his too-long life." How someone like that believes they
are able to determine what are lies, what is myth and what is reality
is highly questionable. There is also a slew of 'evidence' that all
show Palestinian heritage for each and every one of the ones which
point away. Let us not forget that this is something that is in the
interest of Israeli's to emphasize, just like Palestinians emphasize
the most Jews in Israel have no recent roots in the place, this silly
game is played by both. On a similar note one can also claim that what
is in the Torah about a god having given some land to some people, is
at best a myth perpeturated throughout the ages, or at worst a lie to
try to seize land from others. NO ONE can prove it one way or the
other. But does that stop people from acting according to those
beliefs as if they are facts? Of course not because they are accepted
as facts against all logic. A prime reason this silly conflict goes on
and on.
[WJ20K]



Deborah Sharavi wrote:

cindys wrote:

They're not Israeli Arabs. The Israeli Arabs all live in Israel. Most of
the
so-called "Palestinians" (sic) are Jordanian Arabs. Yassir Arafat,
however,
was a full-blooded Egyptian.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

"WJ20K" <webjunk20000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On what basis do you say that Arafat is a full blooded Egyptian? Are
you trying to insult Egyptians?

Mickey wrote:

Are you being intentionally dense? Arafat was an Egyptian because his
parents were, as were his grandparents and their parents.
Mickey

Give him some basis for the fact that Arafat was Egyptian:

His Palestinian biographer, Dr Said K Aburish, stated he was Egyptian,
as did biographer Alan Hart, and offered the evidence in "Arafat: From
Freedom Fighter to Dictator".

"Mohammed Abdel Rahman was his first name; Abdel Raouf his father's
name; Arafat his grandfather's; Al Qudua is the name of his family; and
Al Husseini is the name of the clan to which the Al Quduas belonged."
Aburish, p 7. "The young Arafat sought to establish his Palestinian
credentials and promote his eventual claim to leadership [and] could
not afford to admit any facts which might reduce his Palestinian
identity...Arafat insistently perpetuated the legend that he had been
born in Jerusalem and was related to the important Husseini clan of
that city." Aburish, p 8. He was "unrelated to the real Husseini
notables of Jerusalem." Aburish, p 9. Arafat was educated in Cairo, and
attended the University of Cairo, where he joined the Muslim
Brotherhood, membership in which was open only to Egyptians.

Arafat's birth certificate registered his birth in Cairo. His father
was a Cairene merchant with business links in Khan Yunis, who traveled
on an American passport. (Arafat travelled to Moscow several times on
his Egyptian passport.) The Qudwa family (Arafat's real name) had
owned property in Cairo for generations, which his father initiated
several actions in the Egyptian courts to regain. Arafat, however,
claimed his father had forged the Cairene birth certificate so he could
attend school for free. After their mother's death, his father
remarried twice. Arafat was raised by his sister, Imam, who said he was
"not like other children in playing or in his feelings... He gathered
the Arab kids of the district, formed them into groups and made them
march and drill. He carried a stick and he used to beat those who did
not obey his commands."

Among his numerous claims, Arafat claimed to have been commissioned in
the Egyptian army; to have fought in Gaza in 1948, to have served in
the Suez campaign IN 1956, the year he earned his BA from the U of
Cairo. He also claimed to have been born in Jerusalem, and, as a boy,
to have played soccer with Jews in the plaza before the Western Wall.

[Get that? In the plaza before the Western Wall when he was a boy?]

When Nasser cracked down on the Brotherhood, Arafat was expelled from
Egypt, along with other lower-ranking members. He then went to Kuwait,
where he either worked in the public works department as an engineer,
and founded his own contracting business; or else he ran a car-theft
ring. While in Kuwait, he co-founded the Fatah, dedicated to the
destruction of Israel, with, among others, Abu Sitta, who now operates
the Palestine Remembered site.

Most sources on Arafat are highly contradictory, due to the numerous
lies Arafat told about himself and his past over the course of his
too-long life.

See brief bio, Yasir Arafat: 1929 - 2004
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Yassir_Arafat_1929-2004.asp

Deborah

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The time has come to once again address the issue of Jerusalem. Despite
the current goodwill amongst Israeli's and Palestinians, the final
status of Jerusalem is far too important to all the peoples of the
world to allow only these two entities to determine. The UN should
immediately convene and debate whether it is in everyones best
interests for this holiest of cities to be nationalized, beholden to no
one nation or people. The members of the Security Council could arrange
security concerns and deal with any nation that refuses to abide by the
UN's decision.

However, the Palestinians or rather Israeli-Arabs have displayed no good
will. Israeli-Arabs are only using the peace process to further their goal
of destroying Israel.