JokingYou wrote:

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JokingYou wrote:

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Adam Helberg wrote:

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False analogy. Mecca is only related to Islam. While Jerusalem
is
related to several religions. Compare like with like please.
[WJ20K]

Jerusalem is only related to Islam because some believe Mohammed
flew
from there to
heaven.

Absolutely right, and that is just like the Jewish belief that some
god
gave them some land rights over others. It is all a matter of
belief
but the way the fanatical religious groups behave (all over the
world)
is as if it is reality. Thus that is what seems to count more, not
what logically is probably only supposed to be understood as
allegory
but is mistakenly taken for fact.
[WJ20K]

Possession is 9/10ths of the law.

At least THAT statement above does not mince words, contrary to those
idiots who try to find a religious or historical justification for
Israel's actions. The only problem is that history has shown that in
the long term NO nation (not a single one) has prevailed simply by
force. So if that is all the 'logical' justification Israel has for
its existence then it is unlikely to previal in the long run.
Political pragmatism is the only solution.
[WJ20K]

And precisely what would you suggest as an intelligent and workable
solution?
BTW, aren't the Palestinians using religious and historic justifications
as
a basis for their claims?
Sounds as if you advocate it's alright to slap with the right hand but
wrong
to do likewise with the left.

I should have been more precise, 'ANCIENT historical justification'.
ANYONE who does that is being ridiculous. Palestinians and Israelis.
The world as we see it today has come about more due to recent
histrical events (last few centuries) which need to be taken into
account than has happened thousands of years ago. For example: The
holocaust happend and Palestinians need to take that into account; and
Jews were a minority at the time when the British invaded the Ottoman
realms in Palestine which Jews need to take into account. To date
fanatics on both sides refuse to do that.
It is all rather simple but the insistence on 'religious rights' and
'Ancient historical rights' have made a big mess of things. I have to
concede that it is rather in Human Nature to be irrational at times as
many Israelis and many Palestinians demonstrate each day.
[WJ20K]

Just as Assyrians have no basis to a

claim to the land of Iraq and to demand Arabs leave their land or an
Egyptian (Egyptians without their gene pool being watered down by
invading
Arabs) have a claim to Egypt demanding Arabs leave their land or
American
Indians have a claim to the land of the US of A or any number of
peoples
who
have throughout history lost their land to another group. One person
or
group cannot own land, only occupy it. In days of yesterday,
occupiers
asserted their right to the land by force whereas, today, our first
choice
is through legal means, and as a last resort, by old fashioned force.
Setting religious reasoning aside, the Israelis have possession of
Palestine
and anyone attempting to take it from them are invaders and thieves.
The
Israelis have complete legal right (todays way of doing business) to
the
land as well as through use of force (yestersdays way of doing
business).

Another way of looking at this would be if someone stole your wallet.
You
cannot own a wallet, only possess it and you retain that possession
because
the legal system protects your claim to ownership. Without the
protection
of the legal system, the wallet would belong to whoever was strong and
ruthless enough to take it.

Now, if you want to go to religious authority then it's hands down
that
the
land belongs to God and it is the Israelis who are being allowed the
land
as
their own.