Excuse me??? I am a LIBERAL, and Israeli and a ZIONIST. So take your
fascist one-party, one-ideology attitude and stick up your conservative
arse.

"JokingYou" <jeffile@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:38gse.2636$NU5.1656@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
: As one can also sense a liberal without a clue to reality.
:
: "WJ20K" <webjunk20000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:1118919919.763980.53990@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: > LOL! One can sense a religious fanatic. :-)
: > [WJ20K]
: >
: >
: > ??????/Riain Barton wrote:
: >> There is no issue with Jerusalem [Zion], it is the eternal capitol
of
: >> Israel and the Jewish people. It is the city that G-d chose. It is
our
: >> Holy City of Fire. It will never be divided again, it will never be
: >> under non-Jewish control again, as long as there is at least one
Jew
: >> alive. So, J Young, unless you are about to murder ever Jew on the
face
: >> of the planet, you better shut your gob while you still can.
: >>
: >> For Zion's sake I will not be silent, and for Jerusalem's sake I
will
: >> not rest. ~ Isaiah 62:1
: >>
: >> We believe that Jerusalem, under the sovereignty of the
: >> State of Israel, is as free and open a city as any in the world...
: >>
: >> Read the entire petition, and sign it online at:
: >> http://www.onejerusalem.org/sign.asp
: >>
: >>
: >> http://www.unitedjerusalem.org
: >>
: >> http://www.onejerusalem.org/blog/archives/2005/06/jerusalem_day.asp
: >>
: >> Jerusalem Day
: >> Posted by Gerald Steinberg on June 6, 2005 at 10:03 AM
: >> A Message About Zion That Has Yet to Sink In:
: >>
: >> I received my first glimpse of Jerusalem late at night, through the
: >> windows of a taxi from the airport, going up the steeply twisting
road
: >> that marks the border between the Mediterranean and the Middle
East. We
: >> drove straight into the Old City, and, still in a daze, I got out
: >> briefly to touch the stones of the Western Wall.
: >>
: >> The next morning, I woke up to see the full panorama of more than
3,000
: >> years of Jewish memory, sent my first letter marked "Jerusalem,
: >> Israel", and began to experience the city's uniqueness. It was a
few
: >> years after the 1967 war that ended the blockade on access by Jews.
The
: >> rebuilding of the Jewish Quarter, whose synagogues and other
buildings
: >> had been destroyed and desecrated under Arab control, was just
: >> beginning. The city was still a small town - we were able to walk
from
: >> one end to the other in a few hours.
: >>
: >> Later, when my young family decided to become olim, there was no
: >> question that we would make our home in Jerusalem - its magnetic
pull is
: >> irresistible. And on the "pilgrimage" holidays - particularly
Shavuot -
: >> we join the throngs pouring out of every corner and alleyway at
dawn, on
: >> the way to the Kotel. In this and so many other ways, life in
Jerusalem
: >> is fascinating and unique.
: >>
: >> This exceptionality is not lost on the Palestinians, who created
their
: >> own religious and historical claims, while also turning the Holy
City
: >> into the prime focus of terrorism. Jerusalemites have known very
: >> difficult times, but very few, if any, have pulled up stakes and
left as
: >> a result. For Israelis, religious and secular, this is simply not
an
: >> option.
: >>
: >> In December 2000, as the Oslo process was on life support and
: >> Palestinian violence was escalating, hundreds of thousands of
Israelis
: >> gathered outside the walls of Jerusalem's Old City. The purpose of
this
: >> demonstration - perhaps the largest in Israel's history - was to
insure
: >> that the history of the failed 1949 armistice agreement would not
be
: >> repeated. As a result of this early example of creative diplomacy,
until
: >> 1967, Jews could only look across, without being able to cross.
: >>
: >> And yet for most Arabs, these extremely deep Jewish links are
invisible.
: >> Many simply deny any Jewish connection to Jerusalem, as the late
: >> Palestinian Authority president Yasser Arafat told then U.S.
president
: >> Bill Clinton during the disastrous Camp David summit in July 2000.
To
: >> admit to Jewish roots that existed 1,500 years before Mohammed and
the
: >> earliest Islamic claims would be to admit the need to compromise,
both
: >> theologically and politically. This is apparently unacceptable in
the
: >> prevailing Arab and Muslim belief systems, which demand
exclusivity.
: >>
: >> During the tension that accompanied the last stages of the "peace
: >> process," the focus on Jerusalem increased, and Palestinians again
: >> imposed a blockade on Jews going to the Temple Mount. Under the
cover of
: >> this blackout, Palestinians also dug deeply into this holy ground -
: >> which holds the remnants of the First and Second temples - to
expand
: >> mosques. In the process, unknowable damage was done to thousands of
: >> years of historical remains, where archeologists had never dug.
: >>
: >> In this period, as the tension over Jerusalem grew and governments
in
: >> the United States, Canada and Europe sponsored emergency "regional
: >> dialogues," an Egyptian academic asked me why the Jews were so
upset
: >> about Jerusalem. After all, he noted, we gave up Mount Sinai with
less
: >> outcry than could be found in protestations over settlements along
the
: >> Red Sea coast.
: >>
: >> Although he is one of the most liberal and well-informed
intellectuals
: >> in the Arab world, it was clear he had never made the connection
between
: >> Jerusalem and the "Zion" in Zionism. I took out a tanach (Jewish
Bible)
: >> and went through its "Zion" references, and then I showed him the
: >> references to the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the return to Zion
that
: >> can be found in almost every Jewish prayer.
: >>
: >> Despite decades of declarations about Jerusalem as the "undivided
: >> capital of Israel," the message has never sunk in. When peace
finally
: >> comes to Jerusalem, to Israel and to our neighbors, it will grow
out of
: >> the understanding of the essential Jewish links to the City of
Peace.
: >>
: >>
: >>
: >> "loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
: >> news:1118899654.984675.82140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
: >> : The time has come to once again address the issue of Jerusalem.
: >> Despite
: >> : the current goodwill amongst Israeli's and Palestinians, the
final
: >> : status of Jerusalem is far too important to all the peoples of
the
: >> : world to allow only these two entities to determine. The UN
should
: >> : immediately convene and debate whether it is in everyones best
: >> : interests for this holiest of cities to be nationalized, beholden
to
: >> no
: >> : one nation or people. The members of the Security Council could
: >> arrange
: >> : security concerns and deal with any nation that refuses to abide
by
: >> the
: >> : UN's decision.
: >> :
: >
:
:

Excuse me??? I am a LIBERAL, and Israeli and a ZIONIST. So take your
fascist one-party, one-ideology attitude and stick up your conservative
arse.

"JokingYou" <jeffile@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:38gse.2636$NU5.1656@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
: As one can also sense a liberal without a clue to reality.
:
: "WJ20K" <webjunk20000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:1118919919.763980.53990@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: > LOL! One can sense a religious fanatic. :-)
: > [WJ20K]
: >
: >
: > ??????/Riain Barton wrote:
: >> There is no issue with Jerusalem [Zion], it is the eternal capitol
of
: >> Israel and the Jewish people. It is the city that G-d chose. It is
our
: >> Holy City of Fire. It will never be divided again, it will never be
: >> under non-Jewish control again, as long as there is at least one
Jew
: >> alive. So, J Young, unless you are about to murder ever Jew on the
face
: >> of the planet, you better shut your gob while you still can.
: >>
: >> For Zion's sake I will not be silent, and for Jerusalem's sake I
will
: >> not rest. ~ Isaiah 62:1
: >>
: >> We believe that Jerusalem, under the sovereignty of the
: >> State of Israel, is as free and open a city as any in the world...
: >>
: >> Read the entire petition, and sign it online at:
: >> http://www.onejerusalem.org/sign.asp
: >>
: >>
: >> http://www.unitedjerusalem.org
: >>
: >> http://www.onejerusalem.org/blog/archives/2005/06/jerusalem_day.asp
: >>
: >> Jerusalem Day
: >> Posted by Gerald Steinberg on June 6, 2005 at 10:03 AM
: >> A Message About Zion That Has Yet to Sink In:
: >>
: >> I received my first glimpse of Jerusalem late at night, through the
: >> windows of a taxi from the airport, going up the steeply twisting
road
: >> that marks the border between the Mediterranean and the Middle
East. We
: >> drove straight into the Old City, and, still in a daze, I got out
: >> briefly to touch the stones of the Western Wall.
: >>
: >> The next morning, I woke up to see the full panorama of more than
3,000
: >> years of Jewish memory, sent my first letter marked "Jerusalem,
: >> Israel", and began to experience the city's uniqueness. It was a
few
: >> years after the 1967 war that ended the blockade on access by Jews.
The
: >> rebuilding of the Jewish Quarter, whose synagogues and other
buildings
: >> had been destroyed and desecrated under Arab control, was just
: >> beginning. The city was still a small town - we were able to walk
from
: >> one end to the other in a few hours.
: >>
: >> Later, when my young family decided to become olim, there was no
: >> question that we would make our home in Jerusalem - its magnetic
pull is
: >> irresistible. And on the "pilgrimage" holidays - particularly
Shavuot -
: >> we join the throngs pouring out of every corner and alleyway at
dawn, on
: >> the way to the Kotel. In this and so many other ways, life in
Jerusalem
: >> is fascinating and unique.
: >>
: >> This exceptionality is not lost on the Palestinians, who created
their
: >> own religious and historical claims, while also turning the Holy
City
: >> into the prime focus of terrorism. Jerusalemites have known very
: >> difficult times, but very few, if any, have pulled up stakes and
left as
: >> a result. For Israelis, religious and secular, this is simply not
an
: >> option.
: >>
: >> In December 2000, as the Oslo process was on life support and
: >> Palestinian violence was escalating, hundreds of thousands of
Israelis
: >> gathered outside the walls of Jerusalem's Old City. The purpose of
this
: >> demonstration - perhaps the largest in Israel's history - was to